EPS is EPS la.
Steer by wire is steer by wire la.
Can't differentiate ke?
AXIA spin again !
AXIA spin again !
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Jul 31 2017, 10:46 PM
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EPS is EPS la.
Steer by wire is steer by wire la. Can't differentiate ke? |
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Aug 1 2017, 05:45 AM
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QUOTE(alien13579 @ Jul 31 2017, 10:45 AM) hands down hydraulic wins i hv first batch persona going to be 10 yrs old next 2 months and also just bought an axia last months... dat feel when u steer it, EPS is just no feeling at all toyota one, so soft can even steer using pinky not to mention hydraulics are reliable personally i like EPS more than hydraulic simply coz: 1. hydraulic use the same turning inertia all the way while eps is light at low speed and heavy at high speed... 2. steering feedback i feel is almost the same just axia is very minimal force feedback... 3. i prefer no force feedback at all so i can hv total control of the steering wheel... but axia EPS ratio is higher at 1.75 than persona hydraulic jist at 1.25 full turn |
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Aug 1 2017, 08:08 AM
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QUOTE(tallrice @ Aug 1 2017, 05:45 AM) i hv first batch persona going to be 10 yrs old next 2 months and also just bought an axia last months... all have their own pros and conspersonally i like EPS more than hydraulic simply coz: 1. hydraulic use the same turning inertia all the way while eps is light at low speed and heavy at high speed... 2. steering feedback i feel is almost the same just axia is very minimal force feedback... 3. i prefer no force feedback at all so i can hv total control of the steering wheel... but axia EPS ratio is higher at 1.75 than persona hydraulic jist at 1.25 full turn depends on what the driver is searching for BTW, your axia no such problem as mentioned in this thread? sudden loss of power or the steering won't turn back to middle under certain circumstances? my current car uses EPS as well, during low speed...it won't turn back to the middle, i need to turn it myself |
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Aug 1 2017, 08:28 AM
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Aug 1 2017, 08:31 AM
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Funny, why driving school never encounter such problem? I thought driving schools stock up a lot of axia.
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Aug 1 2017, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE(tallrice @ Aug 1 2017, 05:45 AM) i hv first batch persona going to be 10 yrs old next 2 months and also just bought an axia last months... Axia eps is over assist leh, u should try one in mew persona and iriz, thats almost similiar to hydraulic, but i cant agree more on force feedback, i need that feedback to know the road condition when we tackle the corner so can predict and react fast which eps is numb on this.personally i like EPS more than hydraulic simply coz: 1. hydraulic use the same turning inertia all the way while eps is light at low speed and heavy at high speed... 2. steering feedback i feel is almost the same just axia is very minimal force feedback... 3. i prefer no force feedback at all so i can hv total control of the steering wheel... but axia EPS ratio is higher at 1.75 than persona hydraulic jist at 1.25 full turn |
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Aug 1 2017, 08:35 AM
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Aug 1 2017, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE(waiora_protuner @ Jul 31 2017, 10:38 PM) cause youre talking about handling, precision and feel.. Is all caused by stupid consumers swallowing journalism Shit , i might introduce you to a company called Lotus, renowned for handling, precision, feel and sort of.. or Porsche, where the introduction of EPS had caused lots of dissatisfaction among the enthusiast.. Even the top hypercars like P1 and LaFerrari using hydraulic steering with the hydraulic pump is electrically powered.. or youre just talking about EPS on the Axia, Ertiga or Elantra level... Because everyone believed the hype of hydraulic better, car makers just give them what they want , If everyone said hanging plastic balls at the rear bumper will give better stability , car makers will do it to sell their cars. |
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Aug 1 2017, 09:21 AM
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Wow. Is it wrong?
Full dodge lol |
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Aug 1 2017, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(alien13579 @ Aug 1 2017, 08:08 AM) all have their own pros and cons it turn back at low speed but not fully...depends on what the driver is searching for BTW, your axia no such problem as mentioned in this thread? sudden loss of power or the steering won't turn back to middle under certain circumstances? my current car uses EPS as well, during low speed...it won't turn back to the middle, i need to turn it myself i still need to do some adjustments... but for me no problem coz the steering is light and easy to turn... |
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Aug 1 2017, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Aug 1 2017, 08:34 AM) Axia eps is over assist leh, u should try one in mew persona and iriz, thats almost similiar to hydraulic, but i cant agree more on force feedback, i need that feedback to know the road condition when we tackle the corner so can predict and react fast which eps is numb on this. if u prefer the feedback all the way u drive then i believe your palm will work very hard to grab the steering to be in control... |
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Aug 1 2017, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(tallrice @ Aug 1 2017, 10:18 AM) it turn back at low speed but not fully... yes, its turn back until like 1/4 of a round thn u have to turn back manuallyi still need to do some adjustments... but for me no problem coz the steering is light and easy to turn... common problems of EPS which doesn't happen in hydraulics which shouldn't happen as well |
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Aug 1 2017, 10:22 AM
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user problem also can become car problem. wow.
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Aug 1 2017, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(tallrice @ Aug 1 2017, 10:18 AM) it turn back at low speed but not fully... Steering return to centre is affected by suspension geometry specially caster , nothing to do with power assistance or not and affected by speed i still need to do some adjustments... but for me no problem coz the steering is light and easy to turn... Same effect is seen on bicycle , you ride slowly the handle bars need constant correction, ride fast enough the handlebars maintain straight ahead and you can release your hands if your balance good enough Same concept on a car , slow speed the caster effect is reduced , hence return to centre is not automatic |
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Aug 1 2017, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(yattnana @ Jul 31 2017, 12:45 AM) I drive old kelisa also got this problem. When it was new it wasnt like that if i recall correctly. |
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Aug 1 2017, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Aug 1 2017, 10:23 AM) Steering return to centre is affected by suspension geometry specially caster , nothing to do with power assistance or not and affected by speed i very much agree... there is no way the steering will fully correct itself to the centre even my persona with hydraulic will also need to do adjustments at low speed... Same effect is seen on bicycle , you ride slowly the handle bars need constant correction, ride fast enough the handlebars maintain straight ahead and you can release your hands if your balance good enough Same concept on a car , slow speed the caster effect is reduced , hence return to centre is not automatic if someone insist the car can do full centre adjustments then i believe autonomous driving car suits them very well... hahaha |
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Aug 1 2017, 10:30 AM
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ask u buy Iriz u pui Proton
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Aug 1 2017, 10:37 AM
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patutla perodua dealer kuantan bagi dvr as free gift... papago summore.. ahahaha
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Aug 1 2017, 10:48 AM
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I wonder why yesterday no one noticed the blog vs the police report are different circumstances?
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Aug 1 2017, 10:49 AM
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