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 Against pirated games CD/DVD?, Government says No to Pirated CD/DVD!!

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kianweic
post Jan 14 2010, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Jan 14 2010, 09:29 PM)
emm..
stil play games from x sources..
thinking to buy certain games ori.. like MW2... but then its price just too much for me..
about 1/5 of what i earn.
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Wait for Steam sales and buy games from there.

In a lot of instances, it's actually cheaper than pirated games (during the sales that is).
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post Jan 14 2010, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(nukienemec @ Jan 14 2010, 09:24 PM)
you can go and buy pirated games easily at some shopping complex near selayang. cannot give out the exact details or else there will be a raid and no pirated games left to play. bummer.
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So scared your source of games will disappear? I guess I'll piss some people off.

Go SS2 pasar malam already can see. SS2 food court thing has some pirated cd/ dvd stall in the evening/ night. Atria got one shop I think kena raid but is still selling a few. I think Trop City shop is selling both pirated and original. I caught a glimpse of their Dragon Age dvd cover and it doesn't look like mine at all. But it could be a guide, I dunno. Trop City has a shop selling pirated games upstairs, ironically very close to Gamer's Hideout. I think that GH has pc games also but I haven't been inside since Dec 08.


Added on January 14, 2010, 10:17 pm
QUOTE(kianweic @ Jan 14 2010, 10:07 PM)
Wait for Steam sales and buy games from there.

In a lot of instances, it's actually cheaper than pirated games (during the sales that is).
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Retail Mass Effect 1 - rm119

Steam Mass Effect 1 - rm69

Steam Mass Effect 1 during promo - rm17.

Thanks to that, I swapped from my torrent Mass Effect 1 to the Steam version. No issues at all. Steam isn't being a b*tch as usual. I can't wait for my ME2 CE to arrive.

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post Jan 14 2010, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(BooMer86 @ Apr 2 2007, 12:38 PM)
i will buy original game if the game has  many ppl playing online
eg, bf2, cs
but one piece of game for rm100+ is too much for me as i 'm still a student and i need to save for months to get one

I hope they can lower the price to something like RM50-60 per game.
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Agree. biggrin.gif I'm just only a student and don't have so much money to support genuine. Of couse, I'll support if I got the money, like Windows Vista, CS1.6. I'll buy original. But if the price is more than RM100, its too much for me. For OS(Windows), no choice... Because I never use pirated OS and I feel its very dangerous for using cracked OS as it may crash randomly at anytime. For games, its ok, just can't access the online multiplayer features if its not original. At least you can play and enjoy the single-player(story-mode).
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QUOTE(AlexZai123 @ Jan 14 2010, 10:19 PM)
Agree. biggrin.gif  I'm just only a student and don't have so much money to support genuine. Of couse, I'll support if I got the money, like Windows Vista, CS1.6. I'll buy original. But if the price is more than RM100, its too much for me. For OS(Windows), no choice... Because I never use pirated OS and I feel its very dangerous for using cracked OS as it may crash randomly at anytime. For games, its ok, just can't access the online multiplayer features if its not original. At least you can play and enjoy the single-player(story-mode).
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Think about your own salary when you apply a job in a game's industry if you need to sell your hard earn effort's @ RM10 per piece.
It's called karma.

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post Jan 15 2010, 09:00 AM

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I support both..how ah?

1) buy original games with good storylines/playability (Starcraft 2, Diablo 3, WoW, Warcraft, CnC, Colin McRae, Battlefield Series,Dragon Age)

2) buy pirated games to kill time (Ratchet n Clank, Star Wars series n other non famous game titles)

So..where do I fall under?

I think playability of the game and how the game envelopes is important..like "Sins of a solar empire" it is the same as "Homeworld"..
why buy a Homeworld look a like? or you knw of the concept..

I think here are a few that'll justify why buying an original game is worth:-
1) Playability
2) Storyline
3) Online Bonuses
4) Multiplayer
5) Mods

Without hesitation I will buy it, Warcraft III is a good example! started out with a great storyline...u play all the races..you get to play multiplayer..online updates...and the best part..MODS!! tower of defence! DotA!

So for RM198 for a single CD? well worth every sh!t (I didnt buy the battlechest =P)
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Like some of us said here, for example, like me.
Those games that is you think is not really worth it, for example like Dragon Age. My POV is that the price still a bit tad expensive for me.

What I do? There's Steam, or Good Old Games(GOG) that provide discount from time to time. Last holiday sales one year end just cost me RM600 for 20+ original games. And mostly all big time titles like Crysis, Mass Effect, Bioshock, GTA4, and so on...

I only spend big on games like multiplayer based. The main reason is that often those multiplayer based games frequently died fast(let alone Modern Warfare)
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post Jan 15 2010, 09:25 AM

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These days I find it better not to have physical media.

Best if I could easily backup all my original games and play it on different PC without worrying to revoke licenses or etc.

Since most game companies don't really put much effort on manuals and other extras that come with physical media.
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jan 15 2010, 07:55 AM)
Think about your own salary when you apply a job in a game's industry if you need to sell your hard earn effort's @ RM10 per piece.
It's called karma.

/period
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That's actually a pretty good rate of return. That's more than what iphone app developers make per game and about RM2 more than what i paid for defense grid during the steam sale. OF course your argument there is about as relevant to this topic as a bicycle riding fish.

If everyone here accepts that the transition from jack sparrow to original gamer is a long term educational process, everyone on this forum would be a lot less confrontational. I'm just happy if more and more people get turned onto gaming.
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this topic is like preaching to the choir... do jack sparrows even read this?
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Jan 15 2010, 09:35 AM)
That's actually a pretty good rate of return.  That's more than what iphone app developers make per game and about RM2 more than what i paid for defense grid during the steam sale.  OF course your argument there is about as relevant to this topic as a bicycle riding fish.

If everyone here accepts that the transition from jack sparrow to original gamer is a long term educational process, everyone on this forum would be a lot less confrontational.  I'm just happy if more and more people get turned onto gaming.
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If it's an indie games selling @ RM10 each, I don't mind.
Big titles selling @ RM10? Think twice about.

RM10 divide by 10 programmers + Company expenses + etc.
Tell me how many copies they have to sell to get back the cost of it, and if the games are not profitable, that's the end of the gaming industry.

What goes around comes around, bro.
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jan 15 2010, 09:54 AM)
If it's an indie games selling @ RM10 each, I don't mind.
Big titles selling @ RM10? Think twice about.

RM10 divide by 10 programmers + Company expenses + etc.
Tell me how many copies they have to sell to get back the cost of it, and if the games are not profitable, that's the end of the gaming industry.

What goes around comes around, bro.
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RM10 is of course an arbitrary figure but if you insist the calculation would be 10 programmers each earning USD40k per annum working on 1 title per year would result in USD400k development cost which comes out to roughly RM1.4 mill, which means 140,000 units sold. Worldwide, that number is easily achievable especially if you were just charging RM10 (lol) for the game - which you wouldn't - but there's either making RM0 from the game because there will always be people who will not pay full price for a game - or playing the volume game by selling at an impulse buy price.

Thinking about it, local distributors/publishers charging steam sale prices on a more regular basis would probably do more to turn the hearts and minds of pirateers.

COD:MW just passed the billion dollar mark - making more money than Avatar. Compared to the production of the movie, it was probably made by a smaller team over a shorter time than the movie. They had no problem charging me RM10 for the privelege of watching the movie. The problem is the gaming industry is not too bothered about marginal markets like malaysia so your RM120-200 is not likely to make too much of an impact on their balance sheet.
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QUOTE(linkin182 @ Jan 15 2010, 09:00 AM)

I think playability of the game and how the game envelopes is important..like "Sins of a solar empire" it is the same as "Homeworld"..
why buy a Homeworld look a like? or you knw of the concept..

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Sins of Solar Empire is completely different from Homeworld. doh.gif

Please get your facts right.

No wonder space games are dying.

QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Jan 15 2010, 10:58 AM)
RM10 is of course an arbitrary figure but if you insist the calculation would be 10 programmers each earning USD40k per annum working on 1 title per year would result in USD400k development cost which comes out to roughly RM1.4 mill, which means 140,000 units sold.  Worldwide, that number is easily achievable especially if you were just charging RM10 (lol) for the game - which you wouldn't - but there's either making RM0 from the game because there will always be people who will not pay full price for a game  - or playing the volume game by selling at an impulse buy price. 
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You know,selling a game world wide isnt an easy task,especially you are indie.Retail where is still a huge chunk of sales come from,even though digital distribution is increasingly more popular.Large retail stores like EB,GAME reluctant to sell relatively unknown games.

Besides,game development these days cost more than a million dollars.It is impossible for it to sell less than RM10 here.
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I used to pirate every single game, but things has change extremely for me. I now buy all of my games legally, even games that I used to pirate/steal I buy them through steam as a means of paying what was due from me. Besides I dont even have the time for pirated games IF I want to. The amount of games I bought from both retail and steam is already way too much.

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Same for me,the only pirated game i got now on my com are Shift and Plants vs Zombies.I want to replace Shift with an original copy some time in the future.

Other than those 2,the other 20 games are all original and most of them are from Steam offers.

There isnt much reason to pirate now,as Steam are offering games around RM7 to RM50 price range which is cheap for most. Also,the games will never have those retarded pirated games problem.

Those Steam games i got from Christmas holiday is enough for me to play for some time.Even the RM30 BF2 i havent touch yet. doh.gif
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Shift? as in Time Shift?
Plants and Zombies you better wait for sales, or if u really got extra$$, then you can get it. I remember it's $9.99 right?
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jan 15 2010, 11:45 AM)
Shift? as in Time Shift?
Plants and Zombies you better wait for sales, or if u really got extra$$, then you can get it. I remember it's $9.99 right?
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I think he meant Need for Speed Shift.

Plants and Zombies was going for USD4.99 sometime back during the sales.

Also, I should be given an award for having so many original games.
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I pirate game I would never buy at full price in retail. If the game turns out to be good I buy it when on sales. Or old games that you can't find in shops anymore (like some old city builders like Pharaoh or Emperor)

Being in China and not speaking/reading mandarin makes it hard to get English retails too so Steam or other digital shops are my main way of buying original. I do own a fair bit original too.

Steam sales are awesome tongue.gif
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Anyway, this Malaysian mentality is pretty much screwed la..
If you cannot afford something, shouldn't you save your pocket money and buy? Isn't that what we've been doing since little kid? Or nowadays people are already being spoiled enuff by their parents to just ask money for everything they want?

It's not logic to ask "Woi LOWER PRICE LA! Tak mampu beli la!" That's pretty typical type of malaysian la, never thinks about karma.

Imagine if you're selling rice, and people complain, WOI expensive la, cannot afford, then go complain ask for lower price.

LOGIC? doh.gif
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QUOTE(JuzJoe @ Jan 15 2010, 11:21 AM)
I used to pirate every single game, but things has change extremely for me. I now buy all of my games legally, even games that I used to pirate/steal I buy them through steam as a means of paying what was due from me. Besides I dont even have the time for pirated games IF I want to. The amount of games I bought from both retail and steam is already way too much.

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So did I, I would be a hypocrite if i said i've never pirated before. It's a slow educational process to get people who were like us once used to the idea of paying for original games. There's absolutely no need to respond with flames every time some pirate gives a pro piracy opinion. I'd like to think that today's pirates are tomorrow's customers.

The sooner publishers/distributors wake up to the fact and make getting legit copies easier (pricing/availability) than pirating then we'll get to tomorrow.
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Jan 15 2010, 11:56 AM)
So did I, I would be a hypocrite if i said i've never pirated before.  It's a slow educational process to get people who were like us once used to the idea of paying for original games.  There's absolutely no need to respond with flames every time some pirate gives a pro piracy opinion.  I'd like to think that today's pirates are tomorrow's customers.

The sooner publishers/distributors wake up to the fact and make getting legit copies easier (pricing/availability) than pirating then we'll get to tomorrow.
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I believe digital distribution sites especially Steam is doing a very good job in providing those you mentioned, it's just that not much people are confident about Internet Purchases using you credit card.

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