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post Mar 31 2007, 07:02 PM, updated 18y ago

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Anyone is studying in New zealand now or studied in NZ before?
Is it a beautiful place?
Is it a safety place to study?
How much is the living expenses per annum?
Is it easy to find a job there?( part time and full time)


Come on,Just share your experience HERE!!
You can talk whatever you want about New Zealand.
If you never study there, and thinking of studying there like me, you can ask any questions you want to know.

Looking forward to hearing from those who have experience or informations.
Thank you.
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QUOTE(Jia0924 @ Mar 31 2007, 07:02 PM)
Anyone is studying in New zealand now or studied in NZ before?
Is it a beautiful place?
Is it a safety place to study?
How much is the living expenses per annum?
Is it easy to find a job there?( part time and full time)
Come on,Just share your experience HERE!!
You can talk whatever you want about New Zealand.
If you never study there, and thinking of studying there like me, you can ask any questions you want to know.

Looking forward to hearing from those who have experience or informations.
Thank you.
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1. Currently doing Masters in NZ, University of Auckland. Bachelors from University of Otago.

2. Yes, but that depends of where you are. NZ is really very beautiful, some parts more than others (eg Queenstown), but generally you have to get out of the cities first. I've always thought that it's a pity there isn't a uni in Queenstown - would be the world's most beautiful uni if there is. South Island more beautiful than North Island.
Note that I use the term 'city' losely cos what the Kiwis call 'city' sould only qualify as a small town somewhere else.

3. Yes, quite safe. People are still quite honest and violent crime is rare.... though it's growing. But like anywhere else in the world, you need to be careful - lock your doors, don't leave valuable stuff lying around, don't walk in dark alleys by yourself etc.

4. Varies between places (Auckland the most expensive) and the type of lifestyle you want but you should budget around NZ$12,000 to be safe.

5. Part-time: shouldn't be much of a problem. The unis have a service called Student Job Search which helps students find part-time jobs. Minimum wage is around $10, minus 19% tax. Tax here is high and EVERY dollar is taxed, even interest from your savings account. International students are allowed to work up to 20 hours a week during term time.

Full-time: Depends on whether you mean summer job or 'real' graduate job. Summer job should be quite easy, just use SJS to look. If you're good/lucky, you might get a summer internships. Those pay quite well. International students can work full-time during the summer break.

Graduate job: Not too hard provided you have a decent CV - work experience (any job, doesn't have to be relevant, Kiwis have a part-time work culture), extra-curriculars, and decent grades. Most of my friends managed to find jobs relatively easily.... just need some time and patience.

NZ graduates are granted a 6 month work visa on application. This can be extended to a full work permit once you find a full-time job related to your degree. Makes it easier to find job cos employers don't have to worry about work permit applications. Once you get a job, getting a PR is an easy next step.
NZ PR is better than Australian cos it's indefinate - once you've stayed there under PR for 2 years, you can leave anytime you want and never come back. Almost as good as citizenship. Not like Aus where you have to stay for 2 out of 5 years to keep it. They might change their immigration laws in the future though.

6. Other basic info: NZ is a country of 4 million people and has a landmass is the size of Great Britian. Wellington is the capital, Auckland is the largest city. The native people are the Maori. The Maori name for NZ is Aoteroa - the Land of the Long White Cloud. Asian population is about 7%, congregrated mostly in Auckland.

There are 8 unis - University of Auckland, University of Otago, University of Canterbury, Victoria University of Wellington, Massey University, University of Waikato, Lincoln University and Auckland University of Technology. The first 4 are considered the better, more established ones. A couple of the others have their own specialist fields. All are public universities. Some Malaysian private colleges twin with NZ unis - Inti with Otago, and I dunno who with Vic and Lincoln.
There are also polytechnics, many of which have degree-granting powers in specific fields. Not sure if there is any twinning.

This is a rugby-mad country. If you like other sports, you're going to suffer deprivation. sad.gif

Any course/uni in particular that you're looking at?
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QUOTE(Jia0924 @ Mar 31 2007, 07:02 PM)
Anyone is studying in New zealand now or studied in NZ before?
Is it a beautiful place?
Is it a safety place to study?
How much is the living expenses per annum?
Is it easy to find a job there?( part time and full time)
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Ex-NZ'er here, so I'll just say what I experienced:

1) Beautiful? Thats a understatement. The place is amazing. Fresh air, green grass, cheap milk, plentiful honey. And thats just North Island. The rolling hills are amazing (through a pain to walk if youre in Auckland), the whole place is very laid back and peaceful. I miss the place sometimes...

2)By and large, NZ is a "saftey" doh.gif place to study. Peaceful, people are usually nice and friendly. Sure, there is crime as any other place, but by and large, its safe. A "high" death toll over the weekend is 2 people dead! One tip: for those in Auckland, the south side (Manukau, Otara) isnt the best place to be. IMO, it should be avoided if possible.

3)Allocate $200/wk to live for the bare minimum. Note that heating costs in NZ can make up a significant part of your bills. Winters are freezing to say the least.

4)While there is Student Job Search in most uni's, as a international student finding jobs will be hard (they prefer PR's and citizens). As a Asian, you;ll have to fight a bit. In anycase, never expect working part-time to cover more than 40% of your expences.

Welcome to NZ!

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QUOTE(haya @ Apr 1 2007, 10:45 AM)
Ex-NZ'er here, so I'll just say what I experienced:

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4)While there is  Student Job Search in most uni's, as a international student finding jobs will be hard (they prefer PR's and citizens). As a Asian, you;ll have to fight a bit. In anycase, never expect working part-time to cover more than 40% of your expences.
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Mostly I agree... but like you said, you're an ex-NZer. The govt recently introduced a new visa for new grads of NZ universities - a 6 month work visa. That's plenty of time to find a job and and once you have it, the visa gets extended to a full work permit. The process very simple so employers no longer have the no work permit excuse to employ you.

The Asian factor is a problem but then it's one even citizens (plenty of Asian citizens) and PRs have to overcome.

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QUOTE(wornbook @ Apr 1 2007, 08:47 AM)
4. Varies between places (Auckland the most expensive) and the type of lifestyle you want but you should budget around NZ$12,000 to be safe.

There are 8 unis - University of Auckland, University of Otago, University of Canterbury, Victoria University of Wellington, Massey University, University of Waikato, Lincoln University and Auckland University of Technology. The first 4 are considered the better, more established ones. A couple of the others have their own specialist fields. All are public universities. Some Malaysian private colleges twin with NZ unis - Inti with Otago, and I dunno who with Vic and Lincoln.
There are also polytechnics, many of which have degree-granting powers in specific fields. Not sure if there is any twinning.
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I do need some info here too. laugh.gif

wornbook, did you say that we need around NZ$12,000 per annual just for living? shocking.gif How about the fee?

I have some plan with my friend for further bachelor in IT course at there. Which University is skilled in IT field?

How about our grades to enroll in the University? Is it need more than 3.0 CGPA? Or any other qualifications?

Thanks a lots. Hope you can share more information on Studying in NZ with her. I bet there are lots of them wish to go there too. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Shengz @ Apr 1 2007, 11:35 AM)
I do need some info here too. laugh.gif

wornbook, did you say that we need around NZ$12,000 per annual just for living? shocking.gif How about the fee?

I have some plan with my friend for further bachelor in IT course at there. Which University is skilled in IT field?

How about our grades to enroll in the University? Is it need more than 3.0 CGPA? Or any other qualifications?

Thanks a lots. Hope you can share more information on Studying in NZ with her. I bet there are lots of them wish to go there too. rclxm9.gif
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Living expenses - like I said, it does vary quite a lot. Rent per week in Auckland is around $170. Dunedin (where Uni of Otago is) is about $100. But note that your lease in Dunedin will be for the whole year, ie 52 weeks, while you'll only stay for around 38-40 weeks. Auckland leases are more flexible. If you don't mind a really crappy place then it's cheaper. If you want to stay further away, it's also cheaper. Lots of things to consider: crappy flat = bad insulation so colder, more money on heating; further away you'll need to pay for transport.

For some estimates, see:
http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/for/prospect...gcosts_home.cfm
http://www.otago.ac.nz/about/accommodation/budget.html

As an international student, you'll also have to budget for things like medical insurance, health checks for visa applications, phone calls home and of course, travel expenses.

Fees - unless you're doing something like medicine it's around $20,000 per year. Standard line, some unis are more expensive. In NZ, they charge you fees per paper. So the more papers you take, the higher the costs. But then maybe you can finish earlier and then save on living expenses.... Science papers or anything with labs will cost more cos of facillities needed. For exact fees, you'll have to check with the unis.

Ya, money money money... studying/living overseas is expensive.

I'd recommend staying in a hall of residence for the first year. Great for exposure, social life and just experiencing the Kiwi student life. I've noticed people who rent places by themselves tend to keep to their own groups without going out to mix. If you want to do that, might as well stay in Malaysia.

IT - I'm not sure if the unis offer IT. IT is quite a new sort of course - to be honest, I'm not sure exactly what is taght in IT. The more established ones tend to offer stuff like computer science and information science. Otago is excellant for computer science. As for IT, maybe AUT or one of the polys might.

Because there're so few unis in NZ, uni ranking isn't really important. Kiwis in general don't care too much about 'the best'. It's really all in 2 tiers (unofficially) - the first 4 and the next 4. Gaps between uni standards aren't big and the govt doesn't randomly hand out uni/uni college status like Malaysia does. The only exception is AUT.

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Grades - may I know what you're studying now? Pre-u or twinning?

Other results you'll need is either IELTS or TOEFL. Some unis want 6.0 for IELTS, some want higher. I don't know what TOEFL scores are required, better to check with the uni.

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I recommend you check out the universities' websites. Quite informative.
www.auckland.ac.nz
www.otago.ac.nz
www.canterbury.ac.nz
www.vuw.ac.nz

www.massey.ac.nz
www.waikato.ac.nz
www.lincoln.ac.nz
www.aut.ac.nz

I think that's enough info for now. blush.gif

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I went to south island and its !@^#%$!@#&^%!@# gorgeous. LOL.

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haih...finding room in around uoa, any1??
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if you have at least an A2 for English in your SPM, you do not need any IELTS or TOEFL to get into NZ's Uni.

I'm going to VUW next Feb, hopefully I can meet some of you LYN forummers here.
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(http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/467413)Maybe someone should merge this thread with the other thread? Mods?

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if you have at least an A2 for English in your SPM, you do not need any IELTS or TOEFL to get into NZ's Uni.

I'm going to VUW next Feb, hopefully I can meet some of you LYN forummers here.
I persume you mean the 111/9 bit? I don't think the normal A2 is enough for NZ, through probably enough to get in and use the English preperation class.

Wellington eh? Be prepared for crazy winds there!
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QUOTE(haya @ Jun 11 2007, 08:48 AM)
(http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/467413)Maybe someone should merge this thread with the other thread? Mods?
I persume you mean the 111/9 bit? I don't think the normal A2 is enough for NZ, through probably enough to get in and use the English preperation class.

Wellington eh? Be prepared for crazy winds there!
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I sent my SPM cert there where the 111/9 scores aren't published. That's what the agent told me by the way. tongue.gif

Yeap, I have also heard about the windy weather there, hence I'm preparing to bring quite a lot of winter clothings there.
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refer to this (http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/467413) thread. Don't bother buying any "winter" clothing in M'sia. Nothing, absolutely nothing, i tell you, in M'sia, no matter how thick it is, will withstand NZ winters.

Things may have changed, but I doubt so.
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They accept 1119 now? Didn't know that. Wish they had back when I applied, would have saved myself quite a bit on IELTS.

I find the problem with jackets bought from Malaysia is - i) They're not warm enough or don't have wind-protection (vital for Welly); or ii) They're so think they're more suitable for Canada or something.

Wellington's quite a nice place. Some people find it a bit drab but it's ok in my books. It's the cultural heart of the country so if you like that sort of stuff you're going to the right place. I read somewhere that it has more bars and cafes per capita than New York. But since there aren't that many people, it doesn't add up to that many. Still, it has a good number.

May I ask what you're planning to study?


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I'm pursuing a Bachelors of Business Administration there. As for the 1119, I was ignorant too till one of the representatives came down. I went to meet her in through an agency as my uni's University Placement Office's staff wasn't helpful at all.
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Guys, any idea how long would it take to get a visa to study there? I got all the necessary documents (acceptance letter, bank statements, etc), just wonder how long did / would it take?
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from wat i read in my visa application form,it stated there that it would take about 2 weeks... u shud check with ur agent/uni though
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Hey guys. Since there are at least 4 people (plus one ex-NZ'er!) in this forum, how bout let's make this a "Study in NZ" thread, much like the "study in australia" thread?

I'll start the ball rolling. ASB cranked up their savings interest rate from 7.15% to 7.65%! Time to switch?
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QUOTE(haya @ Jun 25 2007, 06:07 PM)
Hey guys. Since there are at least 4 people (plus one ex-NZ'er!) in this forum, how bout let's make this a "Study in NZ" thread, much like the "study in australia" thread?

I'll start the ball rolling. ASB cranked up their savings interest rate from 7.15% to 7.65%! Time to switch?
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was ASB all the way
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QUOTE(Shengz @ Apr 1 2007, 11:35 AM)
I do need some info here too. laugh.gif

wornbook, did you say that we need around NZ$12,000 per annual just for living? shocking.gif How about the fee?

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That is a bit less compared to other countries iinm?

btw I was looking at entry (general and degree specific) requirements for Uni of Auckland here

http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/for/prospect...ts_overseas.cfm
http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/for/prospect...rements.cfm#sat

I'm a little unsure about something, can I as a malaysian apply with the SAT I?

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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Jun 25 2007, 06:58 PM)
That is a bit less compared to other countries iinm?

btw I was looking at entry (general and degree specific) requirements for Uni of Auckland here

http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/for/prospect...ts_overseas.cfm
http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/for/prospect...rements.cfm#sat

I'm a little unsure about something, can I as a malaysian apply with the SAT I?
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You should be able to. As long as you meet the minimum requirements. I know people who have applied using SAM and Australian Year 12.


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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Jun 25 2007, 06:39 PM)
was ASB all the way
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EmperorMeng, do you get taxed on your interest?

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You should be able to. As long as you meet the minimum requirements. I know people who have applied using SAM and Australian Year 12.
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Does malaysian highschool (up to SPM) plus SAT I fit in anywhere?

Burga - who is getting a bit impatient waiting for them to reply his email. Lol

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EmperorMeng got into UoA with SAM. It should be possible. I don't think UoA will take into consideration your SPM. Just out of curiosity, where did you sit for your SAT Burga?

Auckland U by and large should be prompt with their emails. However, they ARE 4 hours ahead of us, so while we're still working it's dinner time for them.
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BurgaFlippinMan,
I find NZ institutions often have difficulty converting foreign qualifications. That probably explains the somehwat inconsistent entry requirements, ie SAT I. IMO, if they accept STPM and A'levels, they really should be asking for SAT II. But that's an aside. In any case, I have a friend in AUT who got in with SAT I (and no SPM) so it shouldn't be a problem with Auckland U. They also accept SAM and CPU.

Yes, their entry requirements aren't that high. When I applied, all they wanted was 3 Cs for Bursary for most courses (but higher for courses like engineering, medicine etc). Not sure what they want now - don't quite understan NCEA grading - but it seems pretty difficult to NOT achieve university entrance. But this isn't quite the place to rant about NCEA.

Haya,
Interest is always taxed isn't it? And at a higher rate if you don't have an IRD number.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Jun 26 2007, 09:30 AM)
Haya,
Interest is always taxed isn't it? And at a higher rate if you don't have an IRD number.
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Not in Australia if you're a intl student. biggrin.gif Sigh. Thanks for the info.
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Not in Australia if you're a intl student. biggrin.gif Sigh. Thanks for the info.
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I meant NZ. smile.gif No worries.
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Jun 25 2007, 06:58 PM)
That is a bit less compared to other countries iinm?

btw I was looking at entry (general and degree specific) requirements for Uni of Auckland here

http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/for/prospect...ts_overseas.cfm
http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/for/prospect...rements.cfm#sat

I'm a little unsure about something, can I as a malaysian apply with the SAT I?
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SAT i dont know, why not SAM
I did SAM, cheaper than A levels and 1 yr only.
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EmperorMeng, do you get taxed on your interest?
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i dont save, sorry.
no income = no savings.
hence, no effect.
doh.gif i suck

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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Jun 26 2007, 03:35 PM)
SAT i dont know, why not SAM
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thats because I already sat for the SAT.
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Jun 26 2007, 05:41 PM)
thats because I already sat for the SAT.
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should be no problem, based on that link u gave.
are you still in college?
SAT of yours, finish already and meet requirement?
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I'm in Upper Form 6 now, struggling a bit tho in the science stream (it was never quite my thing). SAT done and met requirements. Does this mean that I may be able to use SPM+SAT to apply since the SPM is an O-level equivalent? I've already emailed enquiries but have yet to get a reply. sad.gif
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which university are you planning to pursue in?
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well I'm lookin at Auckland, but nothing is concrete...interested to do architecture though
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Jun 26 2007, 10:39 PM)
I'm in Upper Form 6 now, struggling a bit tho in the science stream (it was never quite my thing). SAT done and met requirements. Does this mean that I may be able to use SPM+SAT to apply since the SPM is an O-level equivalent? I've already emailed enquiries but have yet to get a reply. sad.gif
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When did you email your enquiries? Make sure you email the international office, not the faculty. It is a bit hard to get concrete information when you have a unusual qualification (I've been there. They seem to think all Malaysians do STPM/UEC).
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well I'm lookin at Auckland, but nothing is concrete...interested to do architecture though
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For architecture you'll need more than just SAT. They require a portfolio (examples of your work). It's pretty difficult to get into Auckland Uni's architecture course... a lot of people I know opt for Unitec (a polytech) cos Auckland Uni rejected them. Not sure how it works for international students though.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Jun 26 2007, 09:30 AM)
BurgaFlippinMan,
I find NZ institutions often have difficulty converting foreign qualifications. That probably explains the somehwat inconsistent entry requirements, ie SAT I. IMO, if they accept STPM and A'levels, they really should be asking for SAT II. But that's an aside. In any case, I have a friend in AUT who got in with SAT I (and no SPM) so it shouldn't be a problem with Auckland U. They also accept SAM and CPU.
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SOrry I didnt see this reply earlier. THanks. smile.gif

QUOTE(haya @ Jun 27 2007, 07:41 AM)
When did you email your enquiries? Make sure you email the international  office, not the faculty. It is a bit hard to get concrete information  when you have a unusual qualification (I've been there. They seem to think all Malaysians do STPM/UEC).
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Some time at the end of last week. OK, I'll check where I mailed em too.



QUOTE(wornbook @ Jun 27 2007, 08:27 AM)
For architecture you'll need more than just SAT. They require a portfolio (examples of your work). It's pretty difficult to get into Auckland Uni's architecture course... a lot of people I know opt for Unitec (a polytech) cos Auckland Uni rejected them. Not sure how it works for international students though.
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Yea I know. I just dont know whether the SPM+SAT combo will work. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Jun 27 2007, 04:01 PM)
I just dont know whether the SPM+SAT combo will work. tongue.gif
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If SAT without SPM works, I don't see why SAT with SPM won't work. That friend of mine who did SAT went thru a private homeschooling centre so she had ONLY SAT.
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Did she submit anything else? Like her home school test scores? I know a friend who homeschools too and she has test scores to worry about too.

Well I got a reply finally. Apparently they want A-Levels. Lol you are right, they do seem kinda inconsistent with this. tongue.gif smile.gif
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there're plenty of options available, why not consider universities like Otago?
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Did she submit anything else? Like her home school test scores? I know a friend who homeschools too and she has test scores to worry about too.

Well I got a reply finally. Apparently they want A-Levels. Lol you are right, they do seem kinda inconsistent with this. tongue.gif smile.gif
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I dunno about her scores. When I asked her she just said SAT. Homeschool test scores can't be very consistent right? Then again, it was AUT, a more 'inferior' institution. Where did your friend go?

About the inconsistency, I'd have thought the unis are better than other institutions though, since they do see lots of internationals. But it looks like they're still confused.

I went through hell trying to get the schools to understand what SPM was so they could place me in Year 13 (equivalent to Aus Year 12 and SAM). Had to do a lot of quick talking. Ended up with them testing my knowledge of physics, chemistry and maths right there in the office - who the heck remembers that sort of stuff in January after SPM anyway? rclxub.gif

Fortunately they're getting better now more and more Malaysians are coming in.

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Guys, please help me out here?

I'm trying to get a ticket to Wellington, NZ (return). So far, I tried STA and Sunway Travels:

STA - To Auckland and back (within a year). My bro have to find a domestic flight to Wellington himself.

RM3580.00 [ticket] + RM610.00 [tax] = RM4190.00


Sunway Travel - To Christchurch and then a domestic flight to Wellington.

RM3937.00 [ticket to Christchurch] + RM802.00 [tax] = RM4739.00
RM586.00 [ticket to Wellington] + RM70.00 [tax] = RM656.00*

GRAND TOTAL (Sunway Travel) = RM5359.00

*NOT two way. Just one way to Wellington, that's all.

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Anyone else going or know some better options to do it? Please advice.
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ticketworld.com.my from reliance, I thought their fares are reasonable
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Do they have any branches to visit or numbers to call (within Malaysia)? Or is it an online service?

Trying it now, but latest booking have to be 3 days from current date. My bro needs to fly on 30th... Very very rushing, sigh.
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no idea, but u can always try reliance malaysia from google to look for their contacts
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QUOTE(ik3da @ Jun 28 2007, 02:54 PM)
Guys, please help me out here?

I'm trying to get a ticket to Wellington, NZ (return). So far, I tried STA and Sunway Travels:

STA - To Auckland and back (within a year). My bro have to find a domestic flight to Wellington himself.

RM3580.00 [ticket] + RM610.00 [tax] = RM4190.00
Sunway Travel - To Christchurch and then a domestic flight to Wellington.

RM3937.00 [ticket to Christchurch] + RM802.00 [tax] = RM4739.00
RM586.00 [ticket to Wellington] + RM70.00 [tax] = RM656.00*

GRAND TOTAL (Sunway Travel) = RM5359.00

*NOT two way. Just one way to Wellington, that's all.

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Anyone else going or know some better options to do it? Please advice.
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I think at this late and last minute stage, this are the prices that you will have to pay. If you can make it to Singapore, Qantas (via Sydney or Melbroune) is quite reasonable. Unfortunately, AirNZ has stopped flying to Singapore, so if you want to catch a AirNZ flight to Wellington, it has to be via either Sydney, Melborune or even Brisbane.


Added on July 5, 2007, 10:46 amhttp://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10449607

Did anyone get blown away? biggrin.gif

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well, I've been wondering, what happened to this thread....where're all the new zealand students?
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I'd like to ask the same question. You guys should be on holiday break. Where is everyone?
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i'm not there yet, but it feels nice to talk with people who are there, will be heading there during feb next year. So far yet so close...
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Awwwww. Doing what?

Anyway, welcome to New Zealand!
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lol, heading to VUW for Commerce and Administration, by the way, what are the requirements for a PRship in NZ?
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woo hows the engineering course in NZ? does it has good reputation? ...
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jul 11 2007, 05:22 PM)
well, I've been wondering, what happened to this thread....where're all the new zealand students?
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woo hows the engineering course in NZ? does it has good reputation? ...
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hi, im in 1st yr engineering.
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Er mind to elaborate hows the engineering esspecially (E&E) in NZ ? How much does it costs ? When is the next intake? Does the syllabus prepare you for your future? Compare with australia uni, which 1 is better in your opinion after studying in NZ?

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sorry la.. i just enter 1 semester.
but as far as i know next yr intake is on end feb or early march.
for engineering (4yrs) 1st yr in general (all take the same)
then u branch out starting ur 2nd yr.

compare with aus uni, i also wont know , coz i nv study in aus.
what preU are u taking now?
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I just graduated from diploma in e&e..do they accept diploma? @@
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ya , diploma should can.
http://www.engineering.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/...oucantgetin.cfm


Added on July 12, 2007, 10:07 pmhttp://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/for/prospective/welcomes/internationalstudents/international.cfm
another helpful site.
u may also seek help from a nz universities agent. (SELSET)
its located at SS15, opposite taylors college subang jaya main gate

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Haya,
It's still Auckland Uni's winter break now, the other unis started semester 2 on Monday. Unfortunately, no break for me. Been caught up with my research.

QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jul 11 2007, 07:37 PM)
lol, heading to VUW for Commerce and Administration, by the way, what are the requirements for a PRship in NZ?
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PR? The easiest way is to get a job after graduation. Once that's done, fill in an 'expression of interest' form and if you meet the points requirement (which you should if you have a job related to your degree), the govt will invite you to apply for PR. I haven't heard of anyone turned down yet. Govt's been slowly tightening the immigration policy so things might change in the future. Especially with the elections coming up... if there's a change of govt you can bet there'll be a policy change.

Alternatively, find a million NZ dollars from somewhere and apply under the 'Investment' category. tongue.gif

But seriously, the fastest and easiest way now would be to learn hairdressing, beekeeping, bricklaying or some other trade. NZ's desperately short of skilled tradesmen/women. Those are trades on the critical shortage list. No need to worry about studying hard for a degree. biggrin.gif

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Haya,
It's still Auckland Uni's winter break now, the other unis started semester 2 on Monday. Unfortunately, no break for me. Been caught up with my research.
PR? The easiest way is to get a job after graduation. Once that's done, fill in an 'expression of interest' form and if you meet the points requirement (which you should if you have a job related to your degree), the govt will invite you to apply for PR. I haven't heard of anyone turned down yet. Govt's been slowly tightening the immigration policy so things might change in the future. Especially with the elections coming up... if there's a change of govt you can bet there'll be a policy change.

Alternatively, find a million NZ dollars from somewhere and apply under the 'Investment' category.  tongue.gif

But seriously, the fastest and easiest way now would be to learn hairdressing, beekeeping, bricklaying or some other trade. NZ's desperately short of skilled tradesmen/women. Those are trades on the critical shortage list. No need to worrying studying hard for a degree. biggrin.gif
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plenty of ways i see, so I assume that you're already a PR there?
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plenty of ways i see, so I assume that you're already a PR there?
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Yes.

So you're doing commerce. What are you majoring in?
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Haya,
It's still Auckland Uni's winter break now, the other unis started semester 2 on Monday. Unfortunately, no break for me. Been caught up with my research.
PR? The easiest way is to get a job after graduation. Once that's done, fill in an 'expression of interest' form and if you meet the points requirement (which you should if you have a job related to your degree), the govt will invite you to apply for PR. I haven't heard of anyone turned down yet. Govt's been slowly tightening the immigration policy so things might change in the future. Especially with the elections coming up... if there's a change of govt you can bet there'll be a policy change.

Alternatively, find a million NZ dollars from somewhere and apply under the 'Investment' category.  tongue.gif

But seriously, the fastest and easiest way now would be to learn hairdressing, beekeeping, bricklaying or some other trade. NZ's desperately short of skilled tradesmen/women. Those are trades on the critical shortage list. No need to worry about studying hard for a degree. biggrin.gif
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So true. I bet that most of the Chinese in NZ are those "give us a mil bucks and we'll give you a PR".

But if you really want to get a PR, be a baker. Last time I checked, it was the most popular course at Manukau Institute of Technology. Such a shame it's located at such a dodgy place through.
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i am going to university of auckland (grafton campus i think) to complete my medical course. will be joining year 4 students. i will be leaving around january next year. its a twinning program.

i am planning to apply for grafton hall of residence. but the problem is there are little feedbacks from people staying in that hall. any advice from anyone who stayed there would be appreciated. any other options for accommodation will be appreciated as well.

oh btw i am a frequent internet user. my entertainment life mostly depends on p2p and torrents download. sometimes, i find staring at a high download speed as amusing. so, does the ISP block p2p and torrents? how about the price and the speed of internet connection?

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i am going to university of auckland (grafton campus i think) to complete my medical course. will be joining year 4 students. i will be leaving around january next year. its a twinning program.

i am planning to apply for grafton hall of residence. but the problem is there are little feedbacks from people staying in that hall. any advice from anyone who stayed there would be appreciated. any other options for accommodation will be appreciated as well.

oh btw i am a frequent internet user. my entertainment life mostly depends on p2p and torrents download. sometimes, i find staring at a high download speed as amusing. so, does the ISP block p2p and torrents? how about the price and the speed of internet connection?
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you from imu?


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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Aug 5 2007, 05:06 PM)
i am going to university of auckland (grafton campus i think) to complete my medical course. will be joining year 4 students. i will be leaving around january next year. its a twinning program.

i am planning to apply for grafton hall of residence. but the problem is there are little feedbacks from people staying in that hall. any advice from anyone who stayed there would be appreciated. any other options for accommodation will be appreciated as well.

oh btw i am a frequent internet user. my entertainment life mostly depends on p2p and torrents download. sometimes, i find staring at a high download speed as amusing. so, does the ISP block p2p and torrents? how about the price and the speed of internet connection?
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go hostel is goodlo, easy to find students around.
internet rate sux very very sux super f***ing sux.
if u r a torrent-er u gonna suffer like f***ing hell .
u can google for internet providers in nz
xtra , woosh , ocron, ihug, got somemore others i cant remember.\
the f***ing problem is, they count how much u pay by how much u dload.
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Aug 5 2007, 06:13 PM)
you from imu?
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Aug 5 2007, 07:40 PM)
go hostel is goodlo, easy to find students around.
internet rate sux very very sux super f***ing sux.
if u r a torrent-er u gonna suffer like f***ing hell .
u can google for internet providers in nz
xtra , woosh , ocron, ihug, got somemore others i cant remember.\
the f***ing problem is, they count how much u pay by how much u dload.
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the hostel charge 7 nz per week for internet access which is why i prefer staying in student residence (apart from free meal).

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# Computer lab. equipped with 4 PCs, printer and scanner.
# Access to Hall network, internet and printing from lab or room.


what they say is very general and broad.... hmm.gif hmm.gif i wonder if the hostel allows torrents and such...

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is nzd 7, unlimited internet?
how about the speed.
things are very cunning here when it comes to internet and money doh.gif


Added on August 5, 2007, 8:37 pmoh ya, outstation p2p is throttled like screamyx

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YUP! ^ ^ nice to meet u!
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Aug 5 2007, 08:35 PM)
is nzd 7, unlimited internet?
how about the speed.
things are very cunning here when it comes to internet and money doh.gif


Added on August 5, 2007, 8:37 pmoh ya, outstation p2p is throttled like screamyx
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its about RM65 per month. quite reasonable if it is unlimited, allow p2p and torrents. problem is they never specify the conditions, hence my curiosity.
if p2p throttled a bit i will not mind. but if they throttle till like below 10 kbps for 1 mbps broadband, then its very unreasonable d... i hope there are people here staying at grafton

btw, where did you stay in NZ? Which uni are you attending?
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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Aug 5 2007, 08:56 PM)
its about RM65 per month. quite reasonable if it is unlimited, allow p2p and torrents. problem is they never specify the conditions, hence my curiosity.
if p2p throttled a bit i will not mind. but if they throttle till like below 10 kbps for 1 mbps broadband, then its very unreasonable d... i hope there are people here staying at grafton

btw, where did you stay in NZ? Which uni are you attending?
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OK I already plan to study in New Zealand as it is a nice country. But there is a 99% chance I won't get a scholarship.

I just check the tuition fee and well I just give up my study, and just be here.
Is it always >300k for the entire 3-5 semester?
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is grafton far from the city? hey probably we all could meet up sometimes...

btw, i just wanna know these stuff

1) do you need a tax file number if you're opening a bank account?
2) is the weather there freaking cold? a jumper would be sufficient? or do i need a jacket?
3) how far is grafton from the city? if there is a bus service, how long would it take and how much would it cost?
4) what important stuff should i bring along except books and clothes? erm, like stuff which are freaking expensive there but cheap here that i should bring along?
5) which phone services do you recommend? (for hand phone usage)
6) how much roughly the living cost for one month for a student? including transport, bill, stay, eat, entertainment etc etc

thx in advance

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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Aug 7 2007, 07:49 PM)
is grafton far from the city? hey probably we all could meet up sometimes...

btw, i just wanna know these stuff

1) do you need a tax file number if you're opening a bank account?
2) is the weather there freaking cold? a jumper would be sufficient? or do i need a jacket?
3) how far is grafton from the city? if there is a bus service, how long would it take and how much would it cost?
4) what important stuff should i bring along except books and clothes? erm, like stuff which are freaking expensive there but cheap here that i should bring along?
5) which phone services do you recommend? (for hand phone usage)
6) how much roughly the living cost for one month for a student? including transport, bill, stay, eat, entertainment etc etc

thx in advance
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we can always meet up, no prob icon_rolleyes.gif

1. its called the IRD number, yes must if i remember correctly. (inland revenue something)
2. its not really cold, its the wind that is f***ing strong. a description of strong is , better to walk in the rain than to use umbrella. as for cold, different ppl different. some will be in shorts and tees while some will wear 3 layers of shirt + coat. i usually be in my long sleeve shirt (1 piece) and with a windbreaker (no cotton inside type) when outside. (this is winter) . otherwise its tees and shorts for me. used to it liao.
3. grafton walk 15-20 mins can gua.. should have a bus service, dont know how much, but will not be cheap, bus sux (pricE)
4. laptop lo... u bt ma.. basically living standard is high, so most things consider expensive here. for me, throw books lo.. i nv read anyway. i brought my football boots instead sweat.gif
5. handphone service also kena monopoly. telecom and vodafone, 2 providers. both also very high rates. best to go with plans available if u use ur handphone frequent. if not stick prepaid and utilize the free landline.
6. <300 per week ( dont booze around too much lo.. booze at home icon_rolleyes.gif)


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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Aug 7 2007, 01:56 PM)
OK I already plan to study in New Zealand as it is a nice country. But there is a 99% chance I won't get a scholarship.

I just check the tuition fee and well I just give up my study, and just be here.
Is it always >300k for the entire 3-5 semester?
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nice country to stay =/= nice country to holiday.

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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Aug 7 2007, 08:25 PM)
we can always meet up, no prob icon_rolleyes.gif

1. its called the IRD number, yes must if i remember correctly. (inland revenue something)
2. its not really cold, its the wind that is f***ing strong. a description of strong is , better to walk in the rain than to use umbrella. as for cold, different ppl different. some will be in shorts and tees while some will wear 3 layers of shirt + coat. i usually be in my long sleeve shirt (1 piece) and with a windbreaker (no cotton inside type) when outside. (this is winter) . otherwise its tees and shorts for me. used to it liao.
3. grafton walk 15-20 mins can gua.. should have a bus service, dont know how much, but will not be cheap, bus sux (pricE)
4. laptop lo... u bt ma.. basically living standard is high, so most things consider expensive here. for me, throw books lo.. i nv read anyway. i brought my football boots instead sweat.gif
5. handphone service also kena monopoly. telecom and vodafone, 2 providers. both also very high rates. best to go with plans available if u use ur handphone frequent. if not stick prepaid and utilize the free landline.
6. <300 per week ( dont booze around too much lo.. booze at home icon_rolleyes.gif)
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1. err, IRD need to get from where?
4. laptop is a must d ^ ^ icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif now downloading games, anime, tv series, pron etc etc so there won't be so boring
5. the free landline only for nz? does it include australia as well?
6. <300 shud be ok gua. staying residence 250 per week including meals, washing machine, phone line etc etc... still got extra 50 nz... i seldom booze also, everytime booze only got headache and hangover, all my fren can go fking high, real happy and do stupid stuff, then sleep... but for me, only freakin headache, cannot sleep at all vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif thats why now seldom drink too much...

thx for the help. biggrin.gif
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1. err, IRD need to get from where?
4. laptop is a must d ^ ^  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif  now downloading games, anime, tv series, pron etc etc so there won't be so boring
5. the free landline only for nz? does it include australia as well?
6. <300 shud be ok gua. staying residence 250 per week including meals, washing machine, phone line etc etc... still got extra 50 nz... i seldom booze also, everytime booze only got headache and hangover, all my fren can go fking high, real happy and do stupid stuff, then sleep... but for me, only freakin headache, cannot sleep at all  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif thats why now seldom drink too much...

thx for the help.  biggrin.gif
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1: www.ird.govt.nz. The form you need is here. (http://www.ird.govt.nz/forms-guides/title/forms-i/ir595-form-individualirdapp.html?id=homepage) Just follow the instructions.
2: laptop is a MUST as a student! Books etc are not a good idea. Remember you only have 20KG, so be wise and only pack the essentials. Just keep you "pron" in a safe place.......
5: free landline? since when? I use(d) vodafone, and it was good, through I do miss free txt weekends....
6: stick with tui. Its one of the best.

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QUOTE(haya @ Aug 8 2007, 09:30 AM)
1: www.ird.govt.nz. The form you need is here. (http://www.ird.govt.nz/forms-guides/title/forms-i/ir595-form-individualirdapp.html?id=homepage) Just follow the instructions.
2: laptop is a MUST as a student! Books etc are not a good idea. Remember you only have 20KG, so be wise and only pack the essentials. Just keep you "pron" in a safe place.......
5: free landline? since when? I use(d) vodafone, and it was good, through I do miss free txt weekends....
6: stick with tui. Its one of the best.
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2. student can get until 30kg. which means 34.4 kg. external hard drive may be useful. u BT !
5.landline to landline local calls free ma.
6. when heineken is cheap, go for it :toungue:
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its about RM65 per month. quite reasonable if it is unlimited, allow p2p and torrents. problem is they never specify the conditions, hence my curiosity.

You're referring to Grafton Hall's internet right? If so, you can forgot about torrents and most (if not all p2ps). Grafton is part of the Uni of Auckland, which like most unis overseas, has very strict terms of internet usage. 2 reasons - they don't want to get involved with breaches of copyright issues and they want to control the total amount of usage (if every student starts downloading like crazy the system will collapse).

I'm not sure if you'll be able to get an external (commercial) internet provider into the hall. There might be infrastructure issues. Then again, there's always Whoosh which is wireless... but more expensive I believe.

Grafton is one of the nicer halls in Auckland Uni. Ground are quite nice, it's quite small so it's more friendly, intimate and less formal. Has a relatively high concentration of Malaysian 4th year and above students, mainly IMU people. Only issue is that the rooms tend to be pretty small, corridors dark and bathrooms could do with updating.

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1) do you need a tax file number if you're opening a bank account?
2) is the weather there freaking cold? a jumper would be sufficient? or do i need a jacket?
3) how far is grafton from the city? if there is a bus service, how long would it take and how much would it cost?
4) what important stuff should i bring along except books and clothes? erm, like stuff which are freaking expensive there but cheap here that i should bring along?
5) which phone services do you recommend? (for hand phone usage)
6) how much roughly the living cost for one month for a student? including transport, bill, stay, eat, entertainment etc etc
1) You actually don't need an IRD number when you open a bank account. But without one, your interest gets taxed a much higher rate. So you can come in, open an account, deposit money, then only apply for an IRD number. That way you'll be able to get money in nice and early etc. But don't take too long about applying for the IRD number.

2) It varies from person to person. Average temperature in summer 25 degrees, in winter 10 degrees. Factor wind chill in as well. You won't need those super-thick winter jackets but you'll need something more substantial than a windbreaker/jumper. Auckland is always raining (especially during winter and spring) so I recommend a water-proof jacket. Umbrellas are useless thanks to the wind.

3) Walking distance... no idea about the bus.

4) Books - I won't recommend unless there are a couple of really core texts that you'll need. Those are generally much cheaper to buy in Msia but they're also super-heavy. Other stuff... handphone... can't think of anything else atm.

5) Free landline is only for local calls, within Auckland. Definitely not to Australia, not even to other parts of NZ. It's not entirely free since subscribers have to pay for line rental in the first place (not cheap). But since you're staying in a hall, that'll be taken care off. Most halls' phones are toll-bared. To make external calls you'll have to get a pre-paid calling card.
Handphone - I recommend Vodafone. Telecom is annoying cos you have to use their phones, can't use your phone from Msia. Vodafone Prepay prices are 20c for domestic SMS, 30c for international, 89c or $1.49 per minute call depending on the plan. I never call, too expensive. A good prepaid plan is Supa Prepay with TXT2000 - gives you 2000 SMSs a month for only $10. Only to other Vodafone phones though and calls are darn expensive at $1.49.

6) $300 per week should be about it... provided you're not really into a flashy lifestyle.

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1: www.ird.govt.nz. The form you need is here. (http://www.ird.govt.nz/forms-guides/title/forms-i/ir595-form-individualirdapp.html?id=homepage) Just follow the instructions.
2: laptop is a MUST as a student! Books etc are not a good idea. Remember you only have 20KG, so be wise and only pack the essentials. Just keep you "pron" in a safe place.......
5: free landline? since when? I use(d) vodafone, and it was good, through I do miss free txt weekends....
6: stick with tui. Its one of the best.
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5. ya, local calls are free, just that i have no idea what they mean by "local" (for grafton residence)
6. what is tui? a beverage? nvr heard of it before.... sweat.gif

btw thanks for the advice

QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Aug 8 2007, 11:11 AM)
2. student can get until 30kg. which means 34.4 kg. external hard drive may be useful. u BT !
5.landline to landline local calls free ma.
6. when heineken is cheap, go for it :toungue:
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2. i heard some countries custom service are very strict. sometimes, they check external hd for any pirated stuff or so. is that true for nz? what if they found out my stash of pron and stuff?
6. that residence provides free milk, coffee etc etc. can make kahlua ^ ^ i like kahlua... not so strong, won't get headache


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I'm not sure if you'll be able to get an external (commercial) internet provider into the hall. There might be infrastructure issues. Then again, there's always Whoosh which is wireless... but more expensive I believe.


yes, i am considering grafton hall. i'd assumed the internet would be suck for torrents and p2p since its uni's residence anyway tongue.gif
does every room in grafton comes with a phone line? if so, external internet service won't be so much of a hassle right? i'll check about woosh meanwhile. i've tried jaring wireless before and boy, that wasn't a pleasant experience.... sweat.gif i hope this one is better

there's another residence called o'rouke which they claimed is the best residential hall. i think its private owned and not related to the university, internet service available but you need to pay 7 nz or something per week. they also charge for laundry and some small stuff. i would like to get some feedback about this o'rouke hall. thx in advance.

btw, did you know any IMU fellas studying in auckland?

QUOTE(wornbook @ Aug 8 2007, 12:24 PM)
Grafton is one of the nicer halls in Auckland Uni. Ground are quite nice, it's quite small so it's more friendly, intimate and less formal. Has a relatively high concentration of Malaysian 4th year and above students, mainly IMU people. Only issue is that the rooms tend to be pretty small, corridors dark and bathrooms could do with updating.


did you stay in grafton before? do you have any picture of the room or hall? it would be very nice if you can post those rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif i never trust those photos in ads cuz they look so fake. sad.gif

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4) Books - I won't recommend unless there are a couple of really core texts that you'll need. Those are generally much cheaper to buy in Msia but they're also super-heavy. Other stuff... handphone... can't think of anything else atm.

5) Free landline is only for local calls, within Auckland. Definitely not to Australia, not even to other parts of NZ. It's not entirely free since subscribers have to pay for line rental in the first place (not cheap). But since you're staying in a hall, that'll be taken care off. Most halls' phones are toll-bared. To make external calls you'll have to get a pre-paid calling card.
Handphone - I recommend Vodafone. Telecom is annoying cos you have to use their phones, can't use your phone from Msia. Vodafone Prepay prices are 20c for domestic SMS, 30c for international, 89c or $1.49 per minute call depending on the plan. I never call, too expensive. A good prepaid plan is Supa Prepay with TXT2000 - gives you 2000 SMSs a month for only $10. Only to other Vodafone phones though and calls are darn expensive at $1.49.

6) $300 per week should be about it... provided you're not really into a flashy lifestyle.
4) handphone... i'll try get a cheap one there or i'll bring my old 3310 (is that the oldest? i'm hp illiterate)
5) for calls, i'll definitely get a prepaid card for international calls. thanks for reminding me ^ ^. handphone wise, i see what vodafone and other service provides.
6) ya, probably i'll buy a shaver. i heard cutting hair there costs approximately 300 nz... wow! i cut my hair for only rm 12. haha

thanks for the info, guys.. smile.gif
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5. ya, local calls are free, just that i have no idea what they mean by "local" (for grafton residence)
6. what is tui? a beverage? nvr heard of it before....  sweat.gif
5) By local they mean within Auckland. As long as you don't have to dial an area code, it's local.
6) Tui is a brand of beer.

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btw thanks for the advice
2. i heard some countries custom service are very strict. sometimes, they check external hd for any pirated stuff or so. is that true for nz? what if they found out my stash of pron and stuff?
6. that residence provides free milk, coffee etc etc. can make kahlua ^ ^ i like kahlua... not so strong, won't get headache
yes, i am considering grafton hall. i'd assumed the internet would be suck for torrents and p2p since its uni's residence anyway  tongue.gif
does every room in grafton comes with a phone line? if so, external internet service won't be so much of a hassle right? i'll check about woosh meanwhile. i've tried jaring wireless before and boy, that wasn't a pleasant experience....  sweat.gif i hope this one is better

2) Customs - NZ customs have never checked my computer/hard-drive before. I don't think they ever will... they're much too worried about food and stuff that might destroy their agricultural sector. If you're worried, don't bring in any CDs/DVDs and just copy them into your computer. Should be fine then... But if you're really worried, just don't bring any over.
6) I dunno about every room etc. You'll have to check with the people at Grafton... they'll be able to give the most accurate info. I've never used Whoosh (use regular broadband) so can't help you there.

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there's another residence called o'rouke which they claimed is the best residential hall. i think its private owned and not related to the university, internet service available but you need to pay 7 nz or something per week. they also charge for laundry and some small stuff. i would like to get some feedback about this o'rouke hall. thx in advance.

Hmm. I always thought O'Rouke was part of the uni. Anyway it looks quite pleasant from the outside but I've never been inside. Location is pretty good... just off the main street the city campus is on and within walking distance to the Grafton campus. Closer to main city centre/shopping area than Grafton Hall. Apart from that, I can't help you much, sorry.

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btw, did you know any IMU fellas studying in auckland?
did you stay in grafton before? do you have any picture of the room or hall? it would be very nice if you can post those  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif i never trust those photos in ads cuz they look so fake.  sad.gif
4) handphone... i'll try get a cheap one there or i'll bring my old 3310 (is that the oldest? i'm hp illiterate)
5) for calls, i'll definitely get a prepaid card for international calls. thanks for reminding me ^ ^. handphone wise, i see what vodafone and other service provides.
6) ya, probably i'll buy a shaver. i heard cutting hair there costs approximately 300 nz... wow! i cut my hair for only rm 12. haha

Ya I know a couple of IMU people - in 5th and 6th years.
I've never stayed in Grafton but I have a few friends who do. Sorry no pics... I can ask my friends if they have pics but can't guarantee anything.

4) Cheap handphones are pretty easy to get (Telecom is currently selling a Sanyo for $49) but the catch is you'll have to go on plan. And you'll be bound to them for around 2 years (I think). Why not just buy a cheap one there? Unless it's a really special deal, the cheap phones in Msia are still cheaper than NZ.
6) $300? No lah... that's really extreme. You can get cheap (by NZ standards) here for around $10-15. There're some cheaper ones ($7-8) but those are mainly in the suburbs... will cost you more to travel there.



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2. custom more worried that my football boots got virus doh.gif
6. woosh wireless? i tried, that sucks. weather conditions affect signal. where worse than the rain and wind chamber, auckland sweat.gif
4. handphone buy msia, cheaper half price.

anyway hall of residence, online uni webpage got.
grafton will be convenient for you lo.
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6) I dunno about every room etc. You'll have to check with the people at Grafton... they'll be able to give the most accurate info. I've never used Whoosh (use regular broadband) so can't help you there.

Hmm. I always thought O'Rouke was part of the uni. Anyway it looks quite pleasant from the outside but I've never been inside. Location is pretty good... just off the main street the city campus is on and within walking distance to the Grafton campus. Closer to main city centre/shopping area than Grafton Hall. Apart from that, I can't help you much, sorry.
Ya I know a couple of IMU people - in 5th and 6th years.
I've never stayed in Grafton but I have a few friends who do. Sorry no pics... I can ask my friends if they have pics but can't guarantee anything.

6) $300? No lah... that's really extreme. You can get cheap (by NZ standards) here for around $10-15. There're some cheaper ones ($7-8) but those are mainly in the suburbs... will cost you more to travel there.
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may i know what broadband you are using? price, speed, quality, torrenting? u have any recommendation?

ya, o'rouke got a high rating from qualmark. 4 star outta five, but price wise, its a bit high up...
do you mind giving me the contact no. for those IMU seniors? of course, if they agree. ^ ^

sry about the cutting hair stuff. it was 30 nz, typo.... 30nz for cutting hair in the campus.
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I've never been to the Grafton Hall, so i cant say. O'rooke has always been part of the uni, unless things have changed. I didn't stay there, but had friends there, and went there often. All I can say is the walls there are made out of paper. Seriously. Hearing the cries and moans of lovemaking sessions aren't that rare. I'm serious.

NZ by and large don't really care what you bring in your HDD/CD/DVD. they're more concerned about your food destroying their livelihood. Still, if I open the paper one day and see a Malaysian arrested for bringing porn into NZ (it has happened here in OZ), at least I know who's that................................

Uni resnet's (residential networks) aren't that great. P2P is all blocked, and to be honest, no matter how bad Screamyx is, IMO it's still better than NZ's BB. their internet infrastructure leaves a bit to be desired, unless you have the dough to pay $200/month for a leased line.Even normal ISP's like xtra and ihug take a dim view of people using p2p. You might like to stock up..........

And whoosh is useless. I used it, and my friends still use it (contract period), and dropouts are frequent. Speeds aren't' that great. But atleast you don't need a phone line to get it. The lag (150-200ms) can make Skype calls unbearable.

Hair cut: i entrusted my friend with a comb and scissors, but I knew of this Asian place at Pakuranga which was cheap ($10, through it might have changed).

Auckland's called the city of sails. To have sails, you need wind. Lots of it. The first thing you learn is something called wind chill factor. The mercury may say its 15C, but with 40km/h winds you feel its more like 10C. Through I swear it was 0C. Doesn't help that streets like Albert St are wind tunnels; I hated walking pass it.

Tui, like L&P, is only available in NZ. Sometimes I wish they would export it. IMO Tui is so much nicer than heineken. And L&P is nothing like anything else in this world.

Don't expect the teleco price wars you're used to in NZ. Vodafone pratically has a monopoly on international students. not that we have much of a choice.

i survived on $250/wk. And last time I heard, it's still possible. Cheers.


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My broadband is Xtra. My plan costs $40 /month - 3GB limit and slow uploads. I don't download much, play games etc so it works for me. More info on plans - http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,8763,203086-202321,00.html
If you exceed the limit, they cut the speed.

I'll ask my IMU friends for their permission first. Will PM you their contacts if they say yes.

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I've never been to the Grafton Hall, so i cant say. O'rooke has always been part of the uni, unless things have changed. I didn't stay there, but had friends there, and went there often. All I can say is the walls there are made out of paper. Seriously. Hearing the cries and moans of lovemaking sessions aren't that rare. I'm serious.

I think that's pretty standard for all halls. That's the advantage of Grafton. It's mainly a more mature crowd and they tend to put the IMU students together so it's less likely your neighbour will keep you awake with his/her nocturnal activities.

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Hair cut: i entrusted my friend with a comb and scissors, but I knew of this Asian place at Pakuranga which was cheap ($10, through it might have changed).

There are plenty of places in the Eastern Suburbs which have $10 haircuts (sometimes less). But once you factor in the $12.80 fare and 2 hours on uncomfortable seats for a round trip, it's not quite so worth it anymore. Unless of course, you have a car.

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Don't expect the teleco price wars you're used to in NZ. Vodafone pratically has a monopoly on international students. not that we have much of a choice.

So true. As a general rule, Asians and other migrants/int'l students use Vodafone and local Kiwis use Telecom.
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Still, if I open the paper one day and see a Malaysian arrested for bringing porn into NZ (it has happened here in OZ), at least I know who's that................................


sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

QUOTE(haya @ Aug 9 2007, 10:43 AM)
Uni resnet's (residential  networks) aren't that great. P2P is all blocked, and to be honest, no matter how bad Screamyx is, IMO it's still better than NZ's BB. their internet infrastructure leaves a bit to be desired, unless you have the dough to pay $200/month for a leased line.Even normal ISP's like xtra and ihug take a dim view of people using p2p. You might like to stock up..........


this is the worst news ever.... i hope by next year they'll introduce some unlimited dl plan with decent price...

QUOTE(haya @ Aug 9 2007, 10:43 AM)
Tui, like L&P, is only available in NZ. Sometimes I wish they would export it. IMO Tui is so much nicer than heineken. And L&P is nothing like anything else in this world.


hmm, gonna try it...

QUOTE(haya @ Aug 9 2007, 10:43 AM)
i survived on $250/wk. And last time I heard, it's still possible. Cheers.
grafton rent per week already exceeded 250 nz sweat.gif sweat.gif

QUOTE(wornbook @ Aug 9 2007, 12:06 PM)
My broadband is Xtra. My plan costs $40 /month - 3GB limit and slow uploads. I don't download much, play games etc so it works for me. More info on plans -http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,8763,203086-202321,00.html
If you exceed the limit, they cut the speed.


they only cut the speed? for pro plan they mention surcharge of 2c per mb. does this apply to all the plan as well?

QUOTE(wornbook @ Aug 9 2007, 12:06 PM)
I'll ask my IMU friends for their permission first. Will PM you their contacts if they say yes.


thanks a lot, please do tell them i am from imu as well

QUOTE(wornbook @ Aug 9 2007, 12:06 PM)
I think that's pretty standard for all halls. That's the advantage of Grafton. It's mainly a more mature crowd and they tend to put the IMU students together so it's less likely your neighbour will keep you awake with his/her nocturnal activities.


good, then i guess i'll go for grafton for the first year. then i'll look for cheaper alternatives...
thx for all the help ^ ^
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Tui, like L&P, is only available in NZ. Sometimes I wish they would export it. IMO Tui is so much nicer than heineken. And L&P is nothing like anything else in this world.
L&P syok... will buy tui liao
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this is the worst news ever.... i hope by next year they'll introduce some unlimited dl plan with decent price...

not decent price also dont have.
i curi internet.. teh best thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Aug 9 2007, 03:15 PM)
not decent price also dont have.
i curi internet.. teh best thumbup.gif
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u curi from people who got wireless router but duno how to set password? if u got other way can pm me share share o thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Aug 9 2007, 06:26 PM)
u curi from people who got wireless router but duno how to set password? if u got other way can pm me share share o  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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maybe its cafe, i dont know.
but whole house, only my room can thumbup.gif
torrent torrent yahoo!
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maybe its cafe, i dont know.
but whole house, only my room can thumbup.gif
torrent torrent yahoo!
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wah damn lucky... must find house near starbucks thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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this is the worst news ever.... i hope by next year they'll introduce some unlimited dl plan with decent price...

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they did once last year, when xtra introduced "Go large" which was "unlimited" as long as you don't dload more than 700Mb during peak hours. Unfortunately, the average speed on the network became 600BYTES/sec. So they got rid of it. Fact is, NZ's internet infrastructure is expensive. It doesn't help they're literary at the end of the world, and there isn't much economic incentive for them to make another cable (most, if not all's of NZ's internet traffic goes through one cable, across the ditch to australia)

Live, learn and adapt. You may not be able to dload 8GB/day, but there are some other good things to make full use of your limit.

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i curi internet.. teh best

Good god, what is the world coming to??

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they only cut the speed? for pro plan they mention surcharge of 2c per mb. does this apply to all the plan as well?

Most internet plans, once you hit the limit, you are speed reduced to about 64kbits. here's some math for you: 2 cents a MB works out to about $20 per extra GB over your limit. AVOID THAT LIKE A PLAGUE!

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There are plenty of places in the Eastern Suburbs which have $10 haircuts (sometimes less). But once you factor in the $12.80 fare and 2 hours on uncomfortable seats for a round trip, it's not quite so worth it anymore. Unless of course, you have a car.

Unless fare prices have jumped exponentially since I left, from the city to Pakuranga on concession fares if only $3.50. But yes, time is a problem (it takes almost 1 hr to get there). Or just hitch a ride from your friends........
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L&P syok... will buy tui liao

L&P FTW!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and I love the tui ad's. Like this one. Miss them heaps.



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Unless fare prices have jumped exponentially since I left, from the city to Pakuranga on concession fares if only $3.50. But yes, time is a problem (it takes almost 1 hr to get there). Or just hitch a ride from your friends........
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Yes they have... sigh. Prices just went up again. 5 stages (all the way to Pakuranga/Howick) one way now costs $6.40 (or maybe $6.50 can't remember). On a student concession it's $5.40. MADNESS!

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I prefer the billboard ones.
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i think probably the best mode of transport is scooter doh.gif
but the wind is freezing
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I'm not too sure about this but,

just wanna ask, what are the procedures to obtain a student visa? And I heard that with the offer letter, one can actually get a passport made with half the price which is 150 ringgit.

Are these the only procedures that I need to obtain a student visa?
-10,000nzd in your bank account
-medical checkup
-pay your school fees, accommodation and your insurance

should we pay all the fees in full or pre pay it?
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i think probably the best mode of transport is scooter doh.gif
but the wind is freezing
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I think you'd be blown off it before you get anywhere tongue.gif

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I prefer the billboard ones.

Yeah right. biggrin.gif
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Yes they have... sigh. Prices just went up again. 5 stages (all the way to Pakuranga/Howick) one way now costs $6.40 (or maybe $6.50 can't remember). On a student concession it's $5.40. MADNESS!

OMFG doesn't start describing how I feel. I don't want to see how much it costs to get to Botany Downs then!



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just wanna ask, what are the procedures to obtain a student visa? And I heard that with the offer letter, one can actually get a passport made with half the price which is 150 ringgit.

Are these the only procedures that I need to obtain a student visa?
-10,000nzd in your bank account
-medical checkup
-pay your school fees, accommodation and your insurance

should we pay all the fees in full or pre pay it?

I can't remember the price (it's been a while), but getting a NZ student visa is through the NZ high commision. I did mine through the Singaporean one. You need a letter of offer before you can do it. this link might help you get started. Note that you have to go through the Singaporean high comm. The Malaysian one is not authorised to do so.

I'm not sure where the "need-NZ$10,000" rule came from. Maybe things have changed, but as a student I don't think you need that. Immigrants maybe. I never had that much dough and they didn't kick me out.....or refuse me entry.

Medical checkup:YES. Go to a certified doctor who is recognised by the AUS/NZ embassys and consulates. Not any doctor (even if they're registered to practise in M'sia) can do the checkup.

You have to pay at least one semester of your fees in advance. Ditto for insurance, through that should cover you for the length of your visa (aka your course).






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I'm not too sure about this but,

just wanna ask, what are the procedures to obtain a student visa? And I heard that with the offer letter, one can actually get a passport made with half the price which is 150 ringgit.
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yes, my friend applied using offer letter to get discount. cost him RM150. student visa just go to the immigration department right? No?

others, i am not sure tho...
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I can't remember the price (it's been a while), but getting a NZ student visa is through the NZ high commision. I did mine through the Singaporean one. You need a letter of offer before you can do it. this link might help you get started. Note that you have to go through the Singaporean high comm. The Malaysian one is not authorised to do so.

I'm not sure where the "need-NZ$10,000" rule came from. Maybe things have changed, but as a student I don't think you need that. Immigrants maybe. I never had that much dough and they didn't kick me out.....or refuse me entry.

Medical checkup:YES. Go to a certified doctor who is recognised by the AUS/NZ embassys and consulates. Not any doctor (even if they're registered to practise in M'sia) can do the checkup.

You have to pay at least one semester of your fees in advance. Ditto for insurance, through that should cover you for the length of your visa (aka your course).
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No other ways of getting an NZ student visa other than through Spore. I do need to prove that I have at least NZ $10,000 in my bank account in order to be eligible for the visa. One semester of fees and insurance, not accommodation?

QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Aug 11 2007, 11:20 AM)
yes, my friend applied using offer letter to get discount. cost him RM150. student visa just go to the immigration department right? No?

others, i am not sure tho...
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Aug 11 2007, 01:02 PM)
No other ways of getting an NZ student visa other than through Spore. I do need to prove that I have at least NZ $10,000 in my bank account in order to be eligible for the visa. One semester of fees and insurance, not accommodation?
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OMFG doesn't start describing how I feel. I don't want to see how much it costs to get to Botany Downs then!

Same price. Pakuranga, Howick, Botany Downs and Bucklands Beach are all considered the same sector. It's still ridiculous though.

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any of u guys coming, bring ur football boots, there r guys playing at auckland domain
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football boots? as in rugby or soccer?

just wanna share something. check out msltravel.com
they offer student price airplane tickets (cheaper, but not a lot cheaper) and other stuff for international student.
in their site, the international student ID cost RM20 but actually if you visit their office in pwtc they actually help you to make it for free.

btw, i probably will take brunei airlines to sydney, backpack in aus before travelling to auckland. brunei airline costs RM1.2 k + (550 BR dollar) for one way flight in jan. so its a bit cheaper...

any cheaper alternative? plz share guys

student visa wont take long to produce if you show them your offer letter. if not, contact your regional leader in your uni and they'll help to sort things out.

grafton residence is almost fully booked. you need your student id to book the room if i am not mistaken. my application status is still being considered >.< for those planning to stay in grafton, please book early
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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Aug 26 2007, 01:05 PM)
football boots? as in rugby or soccer?
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Aren't they the same kind of boots?
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Aug 26 2007, 02:29 PM)
Aren't they the same kind of boots?
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well, i don't play rugby sad.gif btw did you help me ask those imu seniors their contacts?
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Slightly off-topic from sport, but one extra reason to go to Massey:
http://www.studentcity.net.nz/whatplansareavailable.html

10GB broadband plans for $35/month!

For most other people: ihugs broadband 3 (http://www.ihug.co.nz/products/broadband/plan_comparison.html) plan will be a good compromise. 2GB/day and 20Gb/month. (Look at the Terms and conditions)

I have friends using it, and he's happy. If anyone wants more info, I'm happy to pass on any questions to him.

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seems the best to offer is broadband 3. 20 G per month is nothing... with that kind of speed, i'll surely ram through the limit.... >.<
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Aug 26 2007, 02:29 PM)
Aren't they the same kind of boots?
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QUOTE(haya @ Aug 28 2007, 09:30 AM)
Slightly off-topic from sport, but one extra reason to go to Massey:
http://www.studentcity.net.nz/whatplansareavailable.html

10GB broadband plans for $35/month!

For most other people: ihugs broadband 3 (http://www.ihug.co.nz/products/broadband/plan_comparison.html) plan will be a good compromise. 2GB/day and 20Gb/month. (Look at the Terms and conditions)

I  have friends using it, and he's happy. If anyone wants more info, I'm happy to pass on any questions to him.
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let me suggest a minor reason to come UoA.
unlimited 15kbps DL/UL
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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Aug 26 2007, 06:34 PM)
well, i don't play rugby  sad.gif  btw did you help me ask those imu seniors their contacts?
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Sorry, one is really busy away on posting at Hamilton - she says she hardly goes online these days. The others are not keen on talking to strangers on the internet. However, one guy did offer to answer your questions, but through me. So if you have any questions, just ask me and I'll act as a messenger.
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wat u guys do on merdeka? play negaraku? sweat.gif
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wat u guys do on merdeka? play negaraku? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 1 2007, 06:02 PM)
negarakuku?............ blush.gif
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Sep 1 2007, 06:44 PM)
my negarakuku was on the whole day thumbup.gif
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You're in NZ for crying aloud. No one gives a damn about Merdeka. Its just another day for me.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Aug 31 2007, 01:27 PM)
Sorry, one is really busy away on posting at Hamilton - she says she hardly goes online these days. The others are not keen on talking to strangers on the internet. However, one guy did offer to answer your questions, but through me. So if you have any questions, just ask me and I'll act as a messenger.
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k sure thing... thanks for the help....

for start can you please ask him which one is easier to pass? Auckland or IMU? and ask him what particular field should i prepare in advance? my knowledge is getting rusty and i hope to study during this long break so i would enjoy a less hectic life in auckland... thanks a lot

wow this thread is dying...
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wat cellphone package u guys using
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k sure thing... thanks for the help....

for start can you please ask him which one is easier to pass? Auckland or IMU? and ask him what particular field should i prepare in advance? my knowledge is getting rusty and i hope to study during this long break so i would enjoy a less hectic life in auckland... thanks a lot

wow this thread is dying...
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Hey, sorry for late reply. Didn't notice your post until today.

Anyway, I asked two people about your questions. Person A's reply - the pre-clinical taught in IMU is pretty good as prep before coming. No need to study extra stuff, all you need is what you've already done.
Person B - Kiwis are generally the better students but many IMU people have made it through Auckland Uni so no worries. Just need to adjust to new culture and environment, if your English is good that shouldn't be too hard.

Btw, check your PMs.
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I wish to know about studying physiotherapy in AUT as I received a conditional offer for 2008 course.Should I take up the offer or to do chiropratic in RMIT Australia. I need as much input as possible.Thanking you in advance.
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I wish to know about studying physiotherapy in AUT as I received a conditional offer for 2008 course.Should I take up the offer or to do chiropratic in RMIT Australia. I need as much input as possible.Thanking you in advance.
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It depends on what you want to study right? They're different courses after all. But I would pick physio over chiropractic. Physiotherapists are recognised health care professionals whereas chiropractic is more on the 'alternative medicine' side of things.

Just a word of advice, if you choose to do physio in NZ, try applying somewhere else. AUT isn't exactly the best/most established and you'll have to pay high fees wither way. AFAIK, applications are still open. Keep your options open, you can always decide where to go later.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 17 2007, 09:40 PM)
It depends on what you want to study right? They're different courses after all. But I would pick physio over chiropractic. Physiotherapists are recognised health care professionals whereas chiropractic is more on the 'alternative medicine' side of things. 

Just a word of advice, if you choose to do physio in NZ, try applying somewhere else. AUT isn't exactly the best/most established and you'll have to pay high fees wither way. AFAIK, applications are still open. Keep your options open, you can always decide where to go later.
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For your information,in NZ the other uni offering such course is Uni of Otago where there is no guarantee of getting into physio in the second year depending on the first year result on a health science course.However in AUT I am secure of a place and the degree is recognised even in Australia by the Australian Professional Association.Btw any better recommendation or advise.
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QUOTE(margosa @ Sep 18 2007, 01:09 AM)
For your information,in NZ the other uni offering such course is Uni of Otago where there is no guarantee of getting into physio in the second year depending on the first year result on a health science course.However in AUT I am secure of a place and the degree is recognised even in Australia by the Australian Professional Association.Btw any better recommendation or advise.
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I know. But it isnt that from what I've seen. Recognition doesn't automatically mean it's a great course. Aus recognises about every NZ course anyway and vice versa. Though I see why a guaranteed place is assuring for an international student.

Any what do you mean by "better" recommendation or advice?
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 18 2007, 08:12 AM)
I know. But it isnt that from what I've seen. Recognition doesn't automatically mean it's a great course. Aus recognises about every NZ course anyway and vice versa. Though I see why a guaranteed place is assuring for an international student.

Any what do you mean by "better" recommendation or advice?
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Thank for your response. What I meant is do you have any recommendation or advise for me the alternative to look to further my physio study.Btw can you elobrate futher on AUT such as the marketability of their graduates and the quality of of lecturers.

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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 18 2007, 08:12 AM)
I know. But it isnt that from what I've seen. Recognition doesn't automatically mean it's a great course. Aus recognises about every NZ course anyway and vice versa. Though I see why a guaranteed place is assuring for an international student.

Any what do you mean by "better" recommendation or advice?
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a "guaranteed" place is EXTREMELY reassuring for an international student...........

the system in au and otage is all eligible students (including full fees paying international students) goes into 1st year "health science" and then depending on your 1st year results, will then get chosen for the respective health science courses, eg medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, physiotherapy, nursing etc.........

imagine paying fees for 1 year, spend 1 year of you life, and at the end find you CANNOT continue in the course of your choice............

if you don't want to take a chance in otago, aut is okay.........in fact, for technical fields, technical universities like aut are more practical and hands on than the main universities, which are more theoritical................
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any comment about canterbury and massey...
especially about degree in physics..

i heard massey a bit cheaper for the lifestyle
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any comment about canterbury and massey...
especially about degree in physics..

i heard massey a bit cheaper for the lifestyle
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I dunno about cheaper cos I've been to Palmerston North. But Christchurch isn't too expensive (it's no Auckland) so they difference is unlikely to be much. But go check the uni websites. Most have a section on cost of living with a breakdown to individual items. The key, really, is rent.

Comparing the reputation of the degrees, most people will pick Canterbury over Massey. The fact that Ernest Rutherford was from Canterbury should give it brownie points. biggrin.gif On the actual degrees, I guess you need to look into the fields covered by both unis, one might do stuff (that interests you) the other doesn't. Also, it might pay to check with uni offers more opportunities for students to take part in actual research through summer studentships and the like.


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QUOTE(margosa @ Sep 18 2007, 10:01 AM)
Thank for your response. What I meant is do you have any recommendation or advise for me the alternative to look to further my physio study.Btw can you elobrate futher on AUT such as the marketability of their graduates and the quality of of lecturers.
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Have you thought of asking AUT whether they'll accept transfers directly into their 2nd year physio from first year health science in another university? Cos if they do, it'll be great. Then you'll be able to enrol in FYHS somewhere else, try to get in (physio is comparatively easier than the other courses, barring med lab sci). If you do, great - you'll get a degree from a slightly better university. If you don't, you can always go back to AUT without losing out. Kiwi unis are pretty flexible with trasfers, provided your grades aren't too bad. It's worth a shot anyway...

If not, I completely understandopting for AUT. It's a lot of money to risk if you don't feel confident.
BTW, why not Australia?

On AUT itself, it's not that it's a bad uni just that it's quite new. It was a polytech before obtaining uni status - there was some controversy surrounding it at the time, and some people still don't think it should be a uni. What is clear is that their entry requirements tend to be lower and they many less "academic" degrees.

NZ is a small country and with a fewer number of unis around, there's little academic snobbery in the job market. I can't speak specifically for physio, but from what I've seen, as long as you've got decent grades (with extra-curriculars and work experience) you shouldn't be at any real disadantage in the job market coming from AUT. Of course you'll might find it a bit tougher as an international student but that factor would be present whichever uni you go to. However, that's just in NZ. You mentioned Oz... well it's a bigger country over there and plenty of unis of varying qualities. From what people tell me, the uni you come from matters in Oz. If that's true, a degree from Otago might give you the edge. Then again, there's nothing to stop you from working in NZ first and building up experience before going over. Uni names and grades only really matter to fresh grads anyway.

But don't take my word for it. This is just my opinion based on what knowledge I have. Talk to others and get their views. Especially on the Oz side of things.


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a "guaranteed" place is EXTREMELY reassuring for an international student...........

the system in au and otage is all eligible students (including full fees paying international students) goes into 1st year "health science" and then depending on your 1st year results, will then get chosen for the respective health science courses, eg medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, physiotherapy, nursing etc.........

imagine paying fees for 1 year, spend 1 year of you life, and at the end find you CANNOT continue in the course of your choice............

if you don't want to take a chance in otago, aut is okay.........in fact, for technical fields, technical universities like aut are more practical and hands on than the main universities, which are more theoritical................
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Physio isn't really that tough to get into... the cutoff marks are much lower compared to med and dent. Pharmacy's average is a little higher too. Makes sense considering physio is lots of people's 4th choice. Provided the students works hard (I mean really working not working with the mouth like many I've seen), it's completely achievable.

But then, I completely understand why an international student won't want to take the risk. Too much at stake.

I used to think Auckland does physio but when I checked the NZ govt website yesterday, it wasn't on the list. Only AUT and Otago. Anyway, Auckland's pharmacy is direct entry and I believe it's nursing is too. Medicine used to be direct entry, but not anymore.

On the techinical universities point: Physio is one of those fields with strong academic and vocational components. So it's taught with plenty of hands-on experience, just like medicine, dentistry etc. In Otago, students begin to see patients in the 2nd year (1st professional year). I dunno about AUT but it should be similar, maybe earlier. So comparing the two, they're more or less equal in the vocational aspect while Otago is arguably superior from the academic side of things.

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If not, I completely understandopting for AUT. It's a lot of money to risk if you don't feel confident.
BTW, why not Australia?



Aussie unis have high cutoff, even higher that pharmacy in some unis.Moreover the no. of places is also limited for international students i.e less that 5 or 10%.So, very competitive to get in.Moreover it is not easy for me to meet their entrance requirement.

Btw I notice that in UK physio course only needs 3 years instead of 4 year to complete. Anybody can provide me an answer?

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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 19 2007, 09:29 AM)
I dunno about cheaper cos I've been to Palmerston North. But Christchurch isn't too expensive (it's no Auckland) so they difference is unlikely to be much. But go check the uni websites. Most have a section on cost of living with a breakdown to individual items. The key, really, is rent.

Comparing the reputation of the degrees, most people will pick Canterbury over Massey. The fact that Ernest Rutherford was from Canterbury should give it brownie points. biggrin.gif  On the actual degrees, I guess you need to look into the fields covered by both unis, one might do stuff (that interests you) the other doesn't. Also, it might pay to check with uni offers more opportunities for students to take part in actual research through summer studentships and the like.



ehmm.. how to check those two points said???

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ehmm.. how to check those two points said???
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1. Uni websites list the topics/courses/papers offerred right from the first year to postgrad level.
2. Contact the department.


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Btw I notice that in UK physio course only needs 3 years instead of 4 year to complete. Anybody can provide me an answer?
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What's the internet for if not to find out stuff? Check the uni websites


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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 17 2007, 06:47 PM)
Hey, sorry for late reply. Didn't notice your post until today.

Anyway, I asked two people about your questions. Person A's reply - the pre-clinical taught in IMU is pretty good as prep before coming. No need to study extra stuff, all you need is what you've already done.
Person B - Kiwis are generally the better students but many IMU people have made it through Auckland Uni so no worries. Just need to adjust to new culture and environment, if your English is good that shouldn't be too hard.

Btw, check your PMs.
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thanks for your help. really appreciate it..

btw, i already contacted another senior there. anyway, thanks and i hope i can be like the many IMU fella who made it through despite my laziness.... i don't really care whos top whos not as long as i can pass, thats all ^ ^

i'll be leaving KK through brunei airlines to sydney on 30th december. cheap airflight (415 brunei dollar inclusive tax). go there and see fireworks on the 1st jan, then go backpacking in aus, then flew to auckland on the 22 jan. will catch you guys there haha...
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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Sep 22 2007, 06:13 PM)
thanks for your help. really appreciate it..

btw, i already contacted another senior there. anyway, thanks and i hope i can be like the many IMU fella who made it through despite my laziness.... i don't really care whos top whos not as long as i can pass, thats all ^ ^

i'll be leaving KK through brunei airlines to sydney on 30th december. cheap airflight (415 brunei dollar inclusive tax). go there and see fireworks on the 1st jan, then go backpacking in aus, then flew to auckland on the 22 jan. will catch you guys there haha...
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how lucky, looks like you're leaving pretty early. Am considering of backpacking in Auckland too, but the reluctance of parting with my family during CNY made me cancel the plan. Oh yea, just asking, does the ISIC card provide extra 10 kgs to every airlines? Cause I heard one might face problem during the transit in Singapore. Am planning to take SQ to Auckland and then a local flight to Wellington.
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Sep 23 2007, 02:01 AM)
how lucky, looks like you're leaving pretty early. Am considering of backpacking in Auckland too, but the reluctance of parting with my family during CNY made me cancel the plan. Oh yea, just asking, does the ISIC card provide extra 10 kgs to every airlines? Cause I heard one might face problem during the transit in Singapore. Am planning to take SQ to Auckland and then a local flight to Wellington.
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not every airline. to be sure, contact the airline service or contact msltravel. their office is just in front of pwtc. if you have frens over at wellington, you can ship your stuff there. its cheaper but takes much longer. how much is the flight to wellington? i believe it should be quite cheap since you transit to spore and auckland....

i have relatives in australia and they are free at that particular time, hence my early departure. besides, they said the fireworks in sydney harbour is simply breathtaking.
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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Sep 23 2007, 02:27 AM)
not every airline. to be sure, contact the airline service or contact msltravel. their office is just in front of pwtc. if you have frens over at wellington, you can ship your stuff there. its cheaper but takes much longer. how much is the flight to wellington? i believe it should be quite cheap since you transit to spore and auckland....

i have relatives in australia and they are free at that particular time, hence my early departure. besides, they said the fireworks in sydney harbour is simply breathtaking.
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No friends in Wellington, but I do have a few mates in Auckland. Flight from Auckland to Wellington is about NZ$200, but from Malaysia to Auckland would cost about 2.5k per pax including tax, but i think not inclusive of fuel surcharge. Shipping stuffs? I'm not sure about how many things would I bring, but I'm pretty sure that there's no many, prolly somewhere around 25kg should be more than enough. I'm not going under MSL travel I think, should be STA as they do provide cheap flights too, or maybe I might just book online and get an ISIC card done. Have you done your medical checkup and all the necessary Visa procedures? Mind telling me those procedures?

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Sep 23 2007, 02:34 AM)
No friends in Wellington, but I do have a few mates in Auckland. Flight from Auckland to Wellington is about NZ$200, but from Malaysia to Auckland would cost about 2.5k per pax including tax, but i think not inclusive of fuel surcharge. Shipping stuffs? I'm not sure about how many things would I bring, but I'm pretty sure that there's no many, prolly somewhere around 25kg should be more than enough. I'm not going under MSL travel I think, should be STA as they do provide cheap flights too, or maybe I might just book online and get an ISIC card done. Have you done your medical checkup and all the necessary Visa procedures? Mind telling me those procedures?
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havent done medical check up yet. im flying in late december, so i'll go for check up around november. correct me if im wrong, the check up results will expire after 3 months, so there's no rush to it. the uni will provide the necessary information for medical check up. if not, please contact your respective uni.

not yet done the visa cause i haven't receive the offer letter from auckland uni. they say they need to renew the fees so the offer letter will come around october. yea, the fees increase every freakin year.... my friend did his in shah alam i think, he went to england already, he provided the offer letter to the immigration department and he received 50% discount. they finished his visa quite fast since the offer letter mentioned he need to depart quite soon... around one or two weeks..

you can get the ISIC card free if you personally pay a visit to msltravel office in front of pwtc. my friend get his free. no need to pay for the RM20. besides, if there is any error in your apply letter, your application will be considered void...

one word of advice, if you travel through plane, its always beneficial to join the airline service membership if its free. accumulate those mileage point and you can end up getting free rides next time... your ticket is quite expensive tho, costing ard RM3k to get you to wellington...
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thanks for your help. really appreciate it..

btw, i already contacted another senior there. anyway, thanks and i hope i can be like the many IMU fella who made it through despite my laziness.... i don't really care whos top whos not as long as i can pass, thats all ^ ^

i'll be leaving KK through brunei airlines to sydney on 30th december. cheap airflight (415 brunei dollar inclusive tax). go there and see fireworks on the 1st jan, then go backpacking in aus, then flew to auckland on the 22 jan. will catch you guys there haha...
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You're welcome. Glad to help a soon-to-be fellow NZ student. If you need anything else, just ask and I'll see what I can do.


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No friends in Wellington, but I do have a few mates in Auckland. Flight from Auckland to Wellington is about NZ$200, but from Malaysia to Auckland would cost about 2.5k per pax including tax, but i think not inclusive of fuel surcharge. Shipping stuffs? I'm not sure about how many things would I bring, but I'm pretty sure that there's no many, prolly somewhere around 25kg should be more than enough. I'm not going under MSL travel I think, should be STA as they do provide cheap flights too, or maybe I might just book online and get an ISIC card done. Have you done your medical checkup and all the necessary Visa procedures? Mind telling me those procedures?
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You can get cheaper tickets if you book early. But for those tickets, you can't change dates. Just make up your mind early and confirm all dates. You'll save quite a bit that way.
I take it you're flying AirNZ to Welly? If you don't mind shopping around, try flypacificblue.com. They might be cheaper.

Overweight baggage in NZ (domestic) is about $5 per kg. They'll normally give an allowance of up to 5kg so you're safe with 25kg.

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Sep 23 2007, 02:34 AM)
No friends in Wellington, but I do have a few mates in Auckland. Flight from Auckland to Wellington is about NZ$200, but from Malaysia to Auckland would cost about 2.5k per pax including tax, but i think not inclusive of fuel surcharge. Shipping stuffs? I'm not sure about how many things would I bring, but I'm pretty sure that there's no many, prolly somewhere around 25kg should be more than enough. I'm not going under MSL travel I think, should be STA as they do provide cheap flights too, or maybe I might just book online and get an ISIC card done. Have you done your medical checkup and all the necessary Visa procedures? Mind telling me those procedures?
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student can get +10kg. but must apply
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I think it depends on which airline are you taking. I know MAS do offer this though for students.
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Sep 24 2007, 12:15 PM)
student can get +10kg. but must apply
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I was thinking about the Akl-Welly sector. AirNZ is notorious for being fussy about baggage limits on their domestic sectors. Giving them the "I'm a student" line doesn't really help since every other passenger is a student at hat time of the year.
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I was thinking about the Akl-Welly sector. AirNZ is notorious for being fussy about baggage limits on their domestic sectors. Giving them the "I'm a student" line doesn't really help since every other passenger is a student at hat time of the year.
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I have to agree. They are very strict with your hand luggage. Even before the LAGS rulings, they didn't like me bringing some drinks onboard (L&P, the best thing since sliced bread). They do weigh your hand luggage at the airport, and even if I was overweight by 200g (YES! GRAMS!) they told me to chuck something out.
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Sep 24 2007, 01:59 PM)
I think it depends on which airline are you taking. I know MAS do offer this though for students.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 25 2007, 07:20 AM)
I was thinking about the Akl-Welly sector. AirNZ is notorious for being fussy about baggage limits on their domestic sectors. Giving them the "I'm a student" line doesn't really help since every other passenger is a student at hat time of the year.
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QUOTE(haya @ Sep 25 2007, 09:47 AM)
I have to agree. They are very strict with your hand luggage. Even before the LAGS rulings, they didn't like me bringing some drinks onboard (L&P, the best thing since sliced bread). They do weigh your hand luggage at the airport, and even if I was overweight by 200g (YES! GRAMS!) they told me to chuck something out.
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typical NZ policy.
sikit sikit also nak bising.
but if say u apply for something, and u fulfill all the requirements, dont like also you qualify. thats the good part of the system.

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typical NZ policy.
sikit sikit also nak bising.
but if say u apply for something, and u fulfill all the requirements, dont like also you qualify. thats the good part of the system.

P/s: i'm astonished by my poor english above thumbup.gif
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Well the advantage is that you always know where you stand. Fewer grey areas, less room for hanky-panky, and much less unpredictability. In short, a more efficient system.
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how much on average would it cost to stay outside? im planning to move out of Grafton after one year... beh tahan... too expensive
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how much on average would it cost to stay outside? im planning to move out of Grafton after one year... beh tahan... too expensive
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Check this out for some estimates. http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/for/prospect...livingcosts.cfm
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Hi everyone!I am new here.Don't really have the time to go through the whole thread on Studying In New Zealand yet.Anyway, I would just like to ask if anyone here knows how is it like life in University of Auckland and University of Wellington?I mean as in the environment, living expenses, facilities, and etc.Is there any big difference between those two universities?Hope you guys can help me out.Thank you very much! icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(S-Ann @ Sep 26 2007, 07:04 PM)
Hi everyone!I am new here.Don't really have the time to go through the whole thread on Studying In New Zealand yet.Anyway, I would just like to ask if anyone here knows how is it like life in University of Auckland and University of Wellington?I mean as in the environment, living expenses, facilities, and etc.Is there any big difference between those two universities?Hope you guys can help me out.Thank you very much!  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Why don't you read through the thread first, and then if there's anything that hasn't been covered, ask and one of us will try to answer. The thread isn't that long and you can skip though most parts anyway. I don't see why we should repeat ourselves (using our valuable time) just because you can't spare the time to read what's already been said.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 26 2007, 09:02 AM)
ya i saw the website too. but i juz wanna be more specific, they give a range of 120 - 200 NZ. i just wanna ask if i can truly save a lot staying outside than in residence hall. emperormeng how much do you pay for yours?
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ya i saw the website too. but i juz wanna be more specific, they give a range of 120 - 200 NZ. i just wanna ask if i can truly save a lot staying outside than in residence hall. emperormeng how much do you pay for yours?
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Most people I know pay around 170-180. If you get unfurnished and buy your own furniture, it can go as low as 130-140. This is city centre prices, mind you. I think EmperorMeng stays in the suburbs.

How much you can save depends on what you eat, your power usage etc. If you cook, you can save a lot.
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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Sep 26 2007, 11:28 PM)
ya i saw the website too. but i juz wanna be more specific, they give a range of 120 - 200 NZ. i just wanna ask if i can truly save a lot staying outside than in residence hall. emperormeng how much do you pay for yours?
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im opposite o'roke hall.
165 per week, power/water included.
+ use unlimited uni internet.

5 rooms apartment .

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im opposite o'roke hall.
165 per week, power/water included.
+ use unlimited uni internet.

5 rooms apartment .
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That's cheap. Is that Quest on Mount St?
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Oh wow, I guess Wellington is still slightly cheaper than Auckland, the hall that I'm going will be around 160 per week excluding electricity and water bill, heater will be covered, non catered, 2-3 room apartment with internet and a few more facilities. Not exactly the cheapest, but the nearest to business faculty campus. As for some other hall, one of the most notable one cost about 270 catered, but that's too far for me and moreover, I'm not one of those who are looking for catered halls.

Based on what I've read, if one were to rent a room(private flatting) here in Wellington, it would cost up to about 250 max per week.
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Sep 27 2007, 08:27 AM)
im opposite o'roke hall.
165 per week, power/water included.
+ use unlimited uni internet.

5 rooms apartment .
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Just wondering, how are heating charges like nowadays?
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Just wondering, how are heating charges like nowadays?
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Free. Just put a few jumpers on. thumbup.gif

On a more serious note, power, water, petrol (and about everything else) is going up thanks to the govt's green policy and carbon tax. Ouch.
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Free. Just put a few jumpers on. thumbup.gif

On a more serious note, power, water, petrol (and about everything else) is going up thanks to the govt's green policy and carbon tax. Ouch.
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that applies for people who have cars. thank god they're using heating pans. btw, i read somewhere that auckland traffic jam is kinda bad and the transportation facility aint that good. is that true?
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that applies for people who have cars. thank god they're using heating pans. btw, i read somewhere that auckland traffic jam is kinda bad and the transportation facility aint that good. is that true?
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When petrol prices go up, everything else goes up. Sigh.
What do you mean by heating pans?

Ya, Auckland traffic at rush hour can get pretty bad. I try to avoid the motorway into the city in the mornings (8-9am), and from around 3.30-5.50.
Public transport in Auckland is bad by developed-country standards. Don't expect anything like the London tube or Sydney tram system here. Buses are very expensive and not always reliable. Same goes for the train, and the stations are placed at even more inconvenient places than the LRT in KL. I have no experience with the ferries.
But it should really bother you since you're staying so close to the hospital.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 27 2007, 10:41 AM)
That's cheap. Is that Quest on Mount St?
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QUOTE(haya @ Sep 27 2007, 01:53 PM)
Just wondering, how are heating charges like nowadays?
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 27 2007, 08:35 PM)
When petrol prices go up, everything else goes up. Sigh.
What do you mean by heating pans?

Ya, Auckland traffic at rush hour can get pretty bad. I try to avoid the motorway into the city in the mornings (8-9am), and from around 3.30-5.50.
Public transport in Auckland is bad by developed-country standards. Don't expect anything like the London tube or Sydney tram system here. Buses are very expensive and not always reliable. Same goes for the train, and the stations are placed at even more inconvenient places than the LRT in KL. I have no experience with the ferries.
But it should really bother you since you're staying so close to the hospital.
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just to add.
the only transport i feel practical here is walking and motorbike/any cheap petrol based bike .
bicycles and skates are jz too energy consuming considering the hilly ground.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 27 2007, 08:35 PM)
When petrol prices go up, everything else goes up. Sigh.
What do you mean by heating pans?
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Ya, Auckland traffic at rush hour can get pretty bad. I try to avoid the motorway into the city in the mornings (8-9am), and from around 3.30-5.50.
Public transport in Auckland is bad by developed-country standards. Don't expect anything like the London tube or Sydney tram system here. Buses are very expensive and not always reliable. Same goes for the train, and the stations are placed at even more inconvenient places than the LRT in KL. I have no experience with the ferries.
But it should really bother you since you're staying so close to the hospital.
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Yeah. It can be bad. But the stupid thing is that its only for about an hour or so. Drive in/out of the city at 6.30pm and all is fine. Part of the reason is that Auckland is at an itsmus.

IMO through, price aside, buses in Auckland are still better than KL. Trains are terrible (don't bother. Seriously) but ferries are convinent if you live at the east side. From Bucklands beach to the city is only about 20 mins (1 hr plus on a bus). Not as frequent as I'd like, but still okay.

Bikes are useless in this place. Pratically every part of Auckland is mount everest. Don't get me started with Emily Pl and Eden Cresent leading to Symonds St. How they built the road in the first place is beyond me. Still, Dunedin has Baldwin St, so..................................................

Maybe I should have gone to CHC.
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Yeah. It can be bad. But the stupid thing is that its only for about an hour or so. Drive in/out of the city at 6.30pm and all is fine. Part of the reason is that Auckland is at an itsmus.

IMO through, price aside, buses in Auckland are still better than KL. Trains are terrible (don't bother. Seriously) but ferries are convinent if you live at the east side. From Bucklands beach to the city is only about 20 mins (1 hr plus on a bus). Not as frequent as I'd like, but still okay.

Bikes are useless in this place. Pratically every part of Auckland is mount everest. Don't get me started with Emily Pl and Eden Cresent leading to Symonds St. How they built the road in the first place is beyond me. Still, Dunedin has Baldwin St, so..................................................

Maybe I should have gone to CHC.
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But the ferries are very pricey. It's about $1 more per trip. Ok once in a while but on a daily basis?

Ah, but Baldwin St isn't in/near the city centre. It's so out of the way that only tourists and residents (beats me why anyone would live there) go there. But the rest of Dunedin is hilly enough.


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heating pans dont use cooking gases ------> environmental friendly  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Heating pans are less efficient though. With gas, you turn it off when you finish so no wastage. Heating pans continue to give out heat long after you turn them off, plus there's the time needed to heat them up in the first place. Plus it's not that environmentally friendly. While most of NZ's electricity comes from hydroelectric dams, some of it (especially in winter when usage is high and water freezes over) comes from burning coal etc. It's a myth than electricity is always clean and green.

Gas is cheaper than electricity. And it's harder to control heat on the heating pans for cooking.

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But the ferries are very pricey. It's about $1 more per trip. Ok once in a while but on a daily basis?
I personally feel the time saved (up to 40 mins compared to the bus) is worth the extra $1. But thats IMO.
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I personally feel the time saved (up to 40 mins compared to the bus) is worth the extra $1. But thats IMO.
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You're discounting the time needed to get to the wharf. For some, even in the Eastern suburbs, it takes quite a while to get the wharf if you don't have a car (and it costs more $$$ as well).
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emperor, i can't help but to ask you whether were you from SFI? Since your details state that you are from Melaka Raya

How much did you first pay for your tuition fees before going? Did you pay for the whole year or just a term? Is it okay if I pay for a trimester 1st instead of the whole year?
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I heard that in NZ, if you work at some farms like Strawberry farms and etc, you can earn alot of money. Is this true?
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I heard that in NZ, if you work at some farms like Strawberry farms and etc, you can earn alot of money. Is this true?
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I heard that in NZ, if you work at some farms like Strawberry farms and etc, you can earn alot of money. Is this true?
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Depends on your definition of a lot. By Malaysian standards it's a lot, by NZ standards, not so much. Fruit-pickers are paid between minimum wage (now $10+ I think) to $15 (if you're lucky) per hour. It's a seasonal job so you can't depend on it for long-term income. Tax is 19.8% on every dollar earned... you do the maths.
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Heating pans are less efficient though. With gas, you turn it off when you finish so no wastage. Heating pans continue to give out heat long after you turn them off, plus there's the time needed to heat them up in the first place. Plus it's not that environmentally friendly. While most of NZ's electricity comes from hydroelectric dams, some of it (especially in winter when usage is high and water freezes over) comes from burning coal etc. It's a myth than electricity is always clean and green.

Gas is cheaper than electricity. And it's harder to control heat on the heating pans for cooking.
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that's quite true. but eventually, you'll get used to heating pans. besides, the heating pans don't produce carbon right? so your frying pans will appreciate it cos it wont turn black and dirty?... not to mention other benefits ----> safer especially in a student residence... students can get pretty stupid sometimes.... of course i prefer gas, but both will do for me. it's not that much of a burden anyway...

QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 29 2007, 08:40 PM)
Depends on your definition of a lot. By Malaysian standards it's a lot, by NZ standards, not so much. Fruit-pickers are paid between minimum wage (now $10+ I think) to $15 (if you're lucky) per hour. It's a seasonal job so you can't depend on it for long-term income. Tax is 19.8% on every dollar earned... you do the maths.
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does auckland uni provides holiday for every season like other unis? how long will it be? is it sufficient to work part time during the holidays?
since auckland has a chinatown, i guess finding part time wouldn't be that difficult, will it?
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Sep 29 2007, 05:57 PM)
emperor, i can't help but to ask you whether were you from SFI? Since your details state that you are from Melaka Raya

How much did you first pay for your tuition fees before going? Did you pay for the whole year or just a term? Is it okay if I pay for a trimester 1st instead of the whole year?
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I heard that in NZ, if you work at some farms like Strawberry farms and etc, you can earn alot of money. Is this true?
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nope, as for plucking fruits its seasonal, most probably during summer holidays.
with a minimum wage and tax, if you bring back the money, it would be much.
but if it is to be used here, no.
plus summer holidays are times you have to use for your industrial training / practical experience
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that's quite true. but eventually, you'll get used to heating pans. besides, the heating pans don't produce carbon right? so your frying pans will appreciate it cos it wont turn black and dirty?... not to mention other benefits ----> safer especially in a student residence... students can get pretty stupid sometimes.... of course i prefer gas, but both will do for me. it's not that much of a burden anyway...
does auckland uni provides holiday for every season like other unis? how long will it be? is it sufficient to work part time during the holidays?
since auckland has a chinatown, i guess finding part time wouldn't be that difficult, will it?
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during holidays, ur supposed to be doing ur industrial training / practical experience.
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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Sep 29 2007, 11:27 PM)
that's quite true. but eventually, you'll get used to heating pans. besides, the heating pans don't produce carbon right? so your frying pans will appreciate it cos it wont turn black and dirty?... not to mention other benefits ----> safer especially in a student residence... students can get pretty stupid sometimes.... of course i prefer gas, but both will do for me. it's not that much of a burden anyway...
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Yup, safer for students. Though some students have been known to set kitchens on fire with electric stoves as well. Bottom line is, always be careful in the kitchen. tongue.gif

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does auckland uni provides holiday for every season like other unis? how long will it be? is it sufficient to work part time during the holidays?
since auckland has a chinatown, i guess finding part time wouldn't be that difficult, will it?

2 weeks mid-semester break each semester, one 3 week break between semesters. And of course, the long summer break (mid-Nov to late Feb). Med school might be different though, especially since you're in the clinical years.
It depends on how much is sufficient for you. An important thing to remember is to never count on supporting yourself entirely on part-time work over here. All sorts of contingencies might happen, and your No. 1 duty is to study... Not easy to work and study at the same time, you are doing med after all.

Auckland has a Chinatown? The way it looks sometimes, Auckland could be in Asia itself. Anyway, NZ isn't like some other countries - you should be able to find jobs easily without resorting to getting bullied by Chinatown restaurants. When you get here, just register for Student Job Search to look for jobs. www.sjs.co.nz.

EmperorMeng,
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during holidays, ur supposed to be doing ur industrial training / practical experience.

Not everyone is doing engineering. For some people, holidays are for holidays. Btw, did you manage to get a job in NZ or are you going back for industrial training?
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 30 2007, 10:41 AM)
EmperorMeng,
Not everyone is doing engineering. For some people, holidays are for holidays. Btw, did you manage to get a job in NZ or are you going back for industrial training?
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im going back during summer.
no point staying here considering the cost of living.
i'll start practical work next summer holidays.
i will choose then, where to do it.
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hm.. doh.gif
im going back during summer.
no point staying here considering the cost of living.
i'll start practical work next summer holidays.
i will choose then, where to do it.
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If you do industrial training here, the pay will easily cover for rent/other expenses. Average pay is $15 per hour from what I hear, and as a full time job, it comes to quite a substantial amount. Compare that with the measly few hundred RM you'll get for industrial training in M'sia. And if you get a good firm, chances are they'll employ you after graduation. It can get pretty competitive though... But I'm assuming you're a PR since you take NZ govt loan. That will make things easier.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 30 2007, 06:09 PM)
If you do industrial training here, the pay will easily cover for rent/other expenses. Average pay is $15 per hour from what I hear, and as a full time job, it comes to quite a substantial amount. Compare that with the measly few hundred RM you'll get for industrial training in M'sia. And if you get a good firm, chances are they'll employ you after graduation. It can get pretty competitive though... But I'm assuming you're a PR since you take NZ govt loan. That will make things easier.
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Hi all, i am new to this thread. Anyway,

If i were to further my study in New Zealand doing MBA (i am IT graduate and working in IT sector) and have plan to pursue PhD sooner thereafter, do i get a chance to work there as soon as i completed my MBA (part time or full time, preferably in the academic world). And continue my PhD while working full/part time? If not, please advice me on any other choice for me to get a job after finished my MBA while doing my PhD.

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Hi all, i am new to this thread. Anyway,

If i were to further my study in New Zealand doing MBA (i am IT graduate and working in IT sector) and have plan to pursue PhD sooner thereafter, do i get a chance to work there as soon as i completed my MBA (part time or full time, preferably in the academic world). And continue my PhD while working full/part time? If not, please advice me on any other choice for me to get a job after finished my MBA while doing my PhD.

Thanks in advance.
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Whether you can work here after your MBA depends on whether you get a job. At the moment, all NZ graduates a granted a 6-month work visa on application. If you do get a job within six months, they'll grant you a permanent work visa. I believe the job has to be full-time and related in some way to your course (with an MBA that should be too difficult to comply with). Once you find a permanent job and work for about 2 years, you'll be able to apply for PR. Then you can work full-time/part-time/ not work while you study... what ever suits you.

If you don't go down the job/PR route but instead start your PhD immediately after your MBA, you'll be on an international student visa which only allows you to work up to 20 hours a week. Note that PhDs students are only charged local fees.
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Guys, wanna ask bout studying in Otago. Isit easy to get into medicine course there compare to other U in australia or in nz? Otago is certainly one choice of mine. hehe, do gimme some advice ^^ Thanks alot.
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Guys, wanna ask bout studying in Otago. Isit easy to get into medicine course there compare to other U in australia or in nz? Otago is certainly one choice of mine. hehe, do gimme some advice ^^ Thanks alot.
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IMHO, slightly easier than Auckland cos there's no interview. 90% average in first year health science will pretty much guarantee you a place (unless your UMAT is atrocious), but not so in Auckland. The threshold is actually lower than that, but because of the international student quota (mostly taken up by govt scholars from Saudi and Malaysia), it can get tight.

No idea about Australia. A word of advice, if you manage to get into an Australian uni, just go. You don't want to risk wasting a year if you don't get into an NZ programme.
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Guys, wanna ask bout studying in Otago. Isit easy to get into medicine course there compare to other U in australia or in nz? Otago is certainly one choice of mine. hehe, do gimme some advice ^^ Thanks alot.
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thought you've decided to go to oz?

there is NO easy way to get into medicine in the developed world..........

nz is not good for international students, as their system is an open health sciences 1st year, and selection to continue in 2nd year medicine based on the 1st year results..........so they may take in 1000 students, and only the top 200 goes on to medicine, the rest do other health related courses like dentistry, pharmacy, physio, nursing etc..............

so you take your chances........and i know people who failed to get into 2nd year medicine, and quited and returned to start again in imu............

it is very competitive............you may be top student in your class now, but when you go do, say, sam at taylors, you find you are in the middle of the class.............and when you start health science, you may be at the bottom of the class............

not advisable for full fees paying international students............unless you have nz pr............
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nz is not good for international students, as their system is an open health sciences 1st year, and selection to continue in 2nd year medicine based on the 1st year results..........so they may take in 1000 students, and only the top 200 goes on to medicine, the rest do other health related courses like dentistry, pharmacy, physio, nursing etc..............

so you take your chances........and i know people who failed to get into 2nd year medicine, and quited and returned to start again in imu............
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More like 1500 students (the numbers increase each year) and 150 med school places - at least for Otago. Note that some of the 150 places go to graduate students. The numbers for international students are also different because of the quotas. Say they admit 30 international students into 2nd year each year. Of those 30, a large majority of places are taken up by pre-approved govt scholars based on agreement between their respective govts and the uni. That leaves a handful, and I mean a handful, for private fee-paying international students.

On IMU, neither Otago nor Auckland allow unsuccessful health science students to enter their clinical schools from IMU. You only get one shot at it, unless you try for graduate entry.
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More like 1500 students (the numbers increase each year) and 150 med school places - at least for Otago. Note that some of the 150 places go to graduate students. The numbers for international students are also different because of the quotas. Say they admit 30 international students into 2nd year each year. Of those 30, a large majority of places are taken up by pre-approved govt scholars based on agreement between their respective govts and the uni. That leaves a handful, and I mean a handful, for private fee-paying international students.

On IMU, neither Otago nor Auckland allow unsuccessful health science students to enter their clinical schools from IMU. You only get one shot at it, unless you try for graduate entry.
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thanks for the current figures, i was referring to auckland figures of a few years ago...........

yes, and oz also do NOT allow oz prs from twinning back into oz med schools after imu..........but you can still go to uk, canada, us................
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Whether you can work here after your MBA depends on whether you get a job. At the moment, all NZ graduates a granted a 6-month work visa on application. If you do get a job within six months, they'll grant you a permanent work visa. I believe the job has to be full-time and related in some way to your course (with an MBA that should be too difficult to comply with). Once you find a permanent job and work for about 2 years, you'll be able to apply for PR. Then you can work full-time/part-time/ not work while you study... what ever suits you.

If you don't go down the job/PR route but instead start your PhD immediately after your MBA, you'll be on an international student visa which only allows you to work up to 20 hours a week. Note that PhDs students are only charged local fees.
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Thanks for the info, bro. With my MBA, can i get a job in the IT (business side of the IT) sector and still be counted as "related to my course"? As for the PhD fees, how is it like to pay local fees? Cheaper i suppose. Any other things for PhD student? Actually what i have in mind is to go back to Malaysia and enter the academia but before that i would love to at least work there for about 1-2 years, preferably in academia. Is it so tough to be part of NZ academia? Please advice
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ah thanks limeuu, cos i dun have any info on nz xD I'm just looking around and found NZ offers the prog too. hehe, Well, you might say i'm abit worried of where to go actually. financial wise, its good to stay here in msia, but parents are bragging me to go out to 'see' the world >.<
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ah thanks limeuu, cos i dun have any info on nz xD I'm just looking around and found NZ offers the prog too. hehe, Well, you might say i'm abit worried of where to go actually. financial wise, its good to stay here in msia, but parents are bragging me to go out to 'see' the world >.<
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LOL, you are fortunate enough if they accepted you already. sometimes, even your scores is praiseworthy, those unis wont even accept you.

medicine is a tough path to walk. application itself is already a hassle. mind you, UMAT isn't as easy as it seems. there are three categories and you need high concentration and rationing skill to get away with flying colours. opps, and also your english powderness... if i remember correctly, most unis in aus requires on average 80 on all three categories.. pass that and you still need to face the wrath of the interviewer. you have to be really good in acting or you really have a pure heart if you wanna get their attention.

done with apps, the course itself is not an easy one. afraid of blood? irritated by mockeries from your superior? lazy to study everyday and keep updated (actually study smart and study adequate is sufficient to pass exam already ^ ^)? can't socialize and adapt with other students? well medicine aint your field :-/

seriously, think carefully beforehand, i've knew some friends who really regretted this path... heck, deep inside, i sometimes question why i took this path .....

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yes, and oz also do NOT allow oz prs from twinning back into oz med schools after imu..........but you can still go to uk, canada, us................


actually, imu twinning policy stated that you cannot choose any partner uni if you are a PR in that country... so, if you're from US, you cant get into US and if you're NZ PR, you can't get into NZ unis too...
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in the developed world, students choose which uni to go to, except for medicine, where the uni will choose you, and you go anywhere you are chosen............and many will NOT be chosen, even if they have very good results and tons of money........

in the third world, you can still choose which medical school to go to, because you can still buy a medical education............facts of life..........

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actually, imu twinning policy stated that you cannot choose any partner uni if you are a PR in that country... so, if you're from US, you cant get into US and if you're NZ PR, you can't get into NZ unis too...
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It's probably cos the partner uni won't accept PRs in the first place. After all, the reason why they open their doors to twinning students is for the $$$. If you're a PR, they won't get the $$$.

But that wasn't what I was referring to. What I meant was - if you tried getting entry from first year health science and failed, then went back to IMU, they won't let you twin back. Even if you're an international student. I guess I didn't make myself clear enough.


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QUOTE(Spade @ Oct 3 2007, 06:25 PM)
Thanks for the info, bro. With my MBA, can i get a job in the IT (business side of the IT) sector and still be counted as "related to my course"? As for the PhD fees, how is it like to pay local fees? Cheaper i suppose. Any other things for PhD student? Actually what i have in mind is to go back to Malaysia and enter the academia but before that i would love to at least work there for about 1-2 years, preferably in academia. Is it so tough to be part of NZ academia? Please advice
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I'm sorry, can't tell you much more than I already did. For the MBA/IT/related to degree thing, you'll have to check with NZ immigration.

PhD fees are around $4000 per year. Before the govt implemented this policy, it was at least 3 times more. It varies from course to course though, more technical courses are more expensive. You'll have to find out the exact figures from the unis. You could always try looking for scholarships too.

NZ academia - I have no clue how hard it is. general tutorship positions while pursuing postgrad degrees aren't hard to get, but full-time positions are different. I suppose it depends on which institution you go to and whether there are vacancies. Standards are generally high since we don't have hundreds of private colleges here. They are equal opportunities recruiters, which basically means that you won't run into racism problems getting a job.

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in the developed world, students choose which uni to go to, except for medicine, where the uni will choose you, and you go anywhere you are chosen.....

in the third world, you can still choose which medical school to go to, because you can still buy a medical education............facts of life..........
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It's probably cos the partner uni won't accept PRs in the first place. After all, the reason why they open their doors to twinning students is for the $$$. If you're a PR, they won't get the $$$.

But that wasn't what I was referring to. What I meant was - if you tried getting entry from first year health science and failed, then went back to IMU, they won't let you twin back. Even if you're an international student. I guess I didn't make myself clear enough.
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ops, sry for the misunderstanding.... ya, i heard even if you got kicked out of the uni and tried to reenter through IMU, thats not gonna happen...

well, at least doing twinning through IMU is much cheaper than doing the whole course in oversea unis. moreover, the degree you earned is the same as other students in the partner university. everything the same and they wont mention that you are from IMU in your certificate...
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It's probably cos the partner uni won't accept PRs in the first place. After all, the reason why they open their doors to twinning students is for the $$$. If you're a PR, they won't get the $$$.

But that wasn't what I was referring to. What I meant was - if you tried getting entry from first year health science and failed, then went back to IMU, they won't let you twin back. Even if you're an international student. I guess I didn't make myself clear enough.
it is not the money.........even if you are willing to pay full fees as a pr, they will still not accept...........

it is simply because this is considered a backdoor entry, and they do NOT like people whom they have rejected, to go through alternative pathways and re-enter their system........

you must understand that these countries assess and select their to-be doctors VERY carefully, and they have NO shortage of candidates to choose from............

the situation is the reverse in malaysia, where there are LOTs of backdoors, and selections are done based NOT on the best student for the sake of the people, but on racial quotas, and how much money you parents have..............sad, but true.............

and don't any blockhead come and accuse me of being racist again, i am ONLY stating the obvious defacto situation..............

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it is not the money.........even if you are willing to pay full fees as a pr, they will still not accept...........

it is simply because this is considered a backdoor entry, and they do NOT like people whom they have rejected, to go through alternative pathways and re-enter their system........

you must understand that these countries assess and select their to-be doctors VERY carefully, and they have NO shortage of candidates to choose from............

the situation is the reverse in malaysia, where there are LOTs of backdoors, and selections are done based NOT on the best student for the sake of the people, but on racial quotas, and how much money you parents have..............sad, but true.............

and don't any blockhead come and accuse me of being racist again, i am ONLY stating the obvious defacto situation..............
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I agree with your sentiments on medical schools. But with respect, I think you've gotten two situations confused.
1) A PR has never set foot in the university before, never attempted health science and applied for med school, an was therefore never rejected (obviously I'm referring to NZ unis here). He goes through IMU but is rejected by that uni.
--- This is as much for financial reasons as much as maintenance of standards. Note that it is not entirely a back-door route, unless you think that all IMU students get in through the back-door (lots of locals do actually).

2) A student, whether PR or international, fails to enter med school through the health sci route goes to IMU. That is definitely back-door entry, which I believe is what the unis to prevent.
--- This is maintenance of standards.

The sad thing is, it is not entirely true that you cannot buy a med degree in an developed country. That is pretty much what govts are doing when they form an agreement with the unis to send their students over here. In Otago, the average cut-off point for 2nd year med is in the high 80s. Govt scholars (whether from Malaysia, Saudi, Fiji etc) can get in as long as their health sci grades do not fall below 70%. Some are even accepted into 2nd year med BEFORE starting health sci. I know this guy who was given a telephone interview and a place by the uni before flying over. That said, he deserved his place as he averaged 93% in health sci that year. Not so for other scholars. So you can see why there's some jealousy going on - between locals and internationals, and between private-paying and govt-sponsored internationals, and then between students who got in the standard way and IMU students.

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I agree with your sentiments on medical schools. But with respect, I think you've gotten two situations confused.
1) A PR has never set foot in the university before, never attempted health science and applied for med school, an was therefore never rejected (obviously I'm referring to NZ unis here). He goes through IMU but is rejected by that uni.
--- This is as much for financial reasons as much as maintenance of standards. Note that it is not entirely a back-door  route, unless you think that all IMU students get in through the back-door (lots of locals do actually).

2) A student, whether PR or international, fails to enter med school through the health sci route goes to IMU. That is definitely back-door entry, which I believe is what the unis to prevent.
--- This is maintenance of standards.

The sad thing is, it is not entirely true that you cannot buy a med degree in an developed country. That is pretty much what govts are doing when they form an agreement with the unis to send their students over here. In Otago, the average cut-off point for 2nd year med is in the high 80s. Govt scholars (whether from Malaysia, Saudi, Fiji etc) can get in as long as their health sci grades do not fall below 70%. Some are even accepted into 2nd year med BEFORE starting health sci. I know this guy who was given a telephone interview and a place by the uni before  flying over. That said, he deserved his place as he averaged 93% in health sci that year. Not so for other scholars. So you can see why there's some jealousy going on - between locals and internationals, and between private-paying and govt-sponsored internationals, and then between students who got in the standard way and IMU students.
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you are not getting my meaning.............

you must consider these students in two separate cohorts...........the home students (ie citizens, and prs) who will be selected and trained to serve the health care needs of the country...........

and the international foreign cohort, who are selected (like you said, often by the sending country, and with lower entry requirements) and trained to RETURN TO THEIR ORIGINAL COUNTRY and serve their own countries (they have no right to stay on and work, they can of course eventually stay and apply for pr status, but that is another story)...........

therefore there are two different sets of conditions and considerations, and i am referring to the first cohort..........ie those with pr's in the country, who will have right to stay on and work there...........so whether you have applied or not to the home programme, as long as you have a pr, you are excluded from imu twinning pathway..........because that is considered a backdoor, as they have NOT formally assessed you to see if you qualify to enter directly into the home programme, and everybody knows the international/twinning selection process is not as stringent............

so the bottom line is, NO you cannot buy a medical education in these countries if you are resident there, but they don't mind selling some places to foreign governments and rich students for money..............and even then, the direct entry ful fees international places (NOT the gov to gov places) are VERY competitive (ter 97 and above in oz), and most who gets in would have qualified by any reasonable standards.............
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you are not getting my meaning.............

you must consider these students in two separate cohorts...........the home students (ie citizens, and prs) who will be selected and trained to serve the health care needs of the country...........

and the international foreign cohort, who are selected (like you said, often by the sending country, and with lower entry requirements) and trained to RETURN TO THEIR ORIGINAL COUNTRY and serve their own countries (they have no right to stay on and work, they can of course eventually stay and apply for pr status, but that is another story)...........

therefore there are two different sets of conditions and considerations, and i am referring to the first cohort..........ie those with pr's in the country, who will have right to stay on and work there...........so whether you have applied or not to the home programme, as long as you have a pr, you are excluded from imu twinning pathway..........because that is considered a backdoor, as they have NOT formally assessed you to see if you qualify to enter directly into the home programme, and everybody knows the international/twinning selection process is not as stringent............

so the bottom line is, NO you cannot buy a medical education in these countries if you are resident there, but they don't mind selling some places to foreign governments and rich students for money..............and even then, the direct entry ful fees international places (NOT the gov to gov places) are VERY competitive (ter 97 and above in oz), and most who gets in would have qualified by any reasonable standards.............
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QUOTE(wornbook @ October 4, 2007, 7:17 am)
I'm sorry, can't tell you much more than I already did. For the MBA/IT/related to degree thing, you'll have to check with NZ immigration.

PhD fees are around $4000 per year. Before the govt implemented this policy, it was at least 3 times more. It varies from course to course though, more technical courses are more expensive. You'll have to find out the exact figures from the unis. You could always try looking for scholarships too.

NZ academia - I have no clue how hard it is. general tutorship positions while pursuing postgrad degrees aren't hard to get, but full-time positions are different. I suppose it depends on which institution you go to and whether there are vacancies. Standards are generally high since we don't have hundreds of private colleges here. They are equal opportunities recruiters, which basically means that you won't run into racism problems getting a job.
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Others who have anything to say, please do so.


Many thanks in advance.

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Exams in about 6 weeks folks! Good luck!

BTW, I heard that Summer is taking its sweet time. Its already October and some parts of South Island is still under snow. I think NZ will be the last place for global warming!
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Exams in about 6 weeks folks! Good luck!

BTW, I heard that Summer is taking its sweet time. Its already October and some parts of South Island is still under snow. I think NZ will be the last place for global warming!
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my friends are having their finals in 3 weeks time, Aussie fellas...not too sure about NZ though
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On average, Aussie semesters start and end almost a month later than NZ semesters. Like I said, some NZ people have started their exams already.
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I stand corrected. Thanks.
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I stand corrected. Thanks.
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Anyway, I'll echo what you said. To those out there with 'em (I think it's only Emperor Meng), good luck with your exams!  smile.gif
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now.. all i need to do is find my timetable doh.gif
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Any thought on Waikato and Massey for business courses at Master and PhD level?
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Any thought on Waikato and Massey for business courses at Master and PhD level?
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There are 3 different campuses for Massey, not sure whether where the business faculty is located. The main campus is located at Palmerston North, whereas the other 2 are in Wellington and Auckland. Not too familiar about Waikato though.

But why limit your choice of universities in NZ? Why not consider UOA or Otago even?
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There are 3 different campuses for Massey, not sure whether where the business faculty is located. The main campus is located at Palmerston North, whereas the other 2 are in Wellington and Auckland. Not too familiar about Waikato though.

But why limit your choice of universities in NZ? Why not consider UOA or Otago even?
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I believe Massey business is at Palmerston North. The reason i limit my choice is because i will go there with my partner which also going to go for her Master and PhD.

Any info on Waikato? Because we are 40% Massey and 60% Waikato.

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for master in engieering or CS, it will be RM100k for a year though hahaha clear my pocket in KWSP account B in 1 shot.... for phd, it can tahan for 2 years. Sure, a teaching assistant income is crucial there if study phd...my wife is quite hesitate for me to do that though coz of let go of malaysia income and go there she has to afford the family while i can barely survive on my own with the teaching assistant job.... decision! decision!
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QUOTE(huix @ Nov 13 2007, 12:57 PM)
for master in engieering or CS, it will be RM100k for a year though hahaha clear my pocket in KWSP account B in 1 shot.... for phd, it can tahan for 2 years. Sure, a teaching assistant income is crucial there if study phd...my wife is quite hesitate for me to do that though coz of let go of malaysia income and go there she has to afford the family while i can barely survive on my own with the teaching assistant job.... decision! decision!
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That much? Lucky im not going for that course. For me, I will go for business.
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That much? Lucky im not going for that course. For me, I will go for business.
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software engineering/computer science/IT are about 23000-25000 tuition fee plus the 12000 - 14000 annual living cost. therefore, it is around RM100k. PHd is around 4000 tuition fee but it takes 3-4 years while master is 1 year..... will I prepare for 4 years of no income for the phd?? decision decision! (my wife agaisnt it tho becoz my paid his quite high but she said she will be ok if I really decide for the phd for the pursuit of personal achievement in knowledge but she may have to work harde rto support the family... I was touched deeply and suddenly feel the reluctant to do this.... is this her tactic to get me pulling out? :F)
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software engineering/computer science/IT are about 23000-25000 tuition fee plus the 12000 - 14000 annual living cost. therefore, it is around RM100k. PHd is around 4000 tuition fee but it takes 3-4 years while master is 1 year..... will I prepare for 4 years of no income for the phd?? decision decision! (my wife agaisnt it tho becoz my paid his quite high but she said she will be ok if I really decide for the phd for the pursuit of personal achievement in knowledge but she may have to work harde rto support the family... I was touched deeply and suddenly feel the reluctant to do this.... is this her tactic to get me pulling out? :F)
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Are you going to Auckland? NZ$14,000 anual living cost does get you a very comfortable life even in Auckland, not to mention if you go to other places like Christchurch.
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That much? Lucky im not going for that course. For me, I will go for business.
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Are you going to Auckland? NZ$14,000 anual living cost does get you a very comfortable life even in Auckland, not to mention if you go to other places like Christchurch.
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Yep, with room for luxuries, expensive meals out, entertainment etc. $10,000 is enough for an ordinary life (with a couple of luxuries thrown in) if you're careful with money.
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wornbook, probably all of us should meet up someday at NZ, maybe Auckland. Will be leaving early February next year, the fooking air fares are increasing like mad, or have they increased?
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Nov 14 2007, 08:56 AM)
Yep, with room for luxuries, expensive meals out, entertainment etc. $10,000 is enough for an ordinary life (with a couple of luxuries thrown in) if you're careful with money.
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That is GREAT to know! I used to study in USA for 4 years for my degree therefore I mostly knows how to live cheaply as a student. I got the input from google that is around 14000 in auckland. If it great to know that the living cost is not that high. If I cook myself, renting a room near campus or "driving friendly" (man can't live without a car! hehehe middleage man therefore I won't live wihout a car haha), how much will it cost annually?

I don't restrict myself to CC only but my first choice in UoA indeed. I made decision to otago/cantebury becoz of the living cost may be cheaper. If 14000 is luxurious in auckland, then I may choose auckland/welly again... still gathering info b4 making the ultimatum decision coz this is life changing decision...let go of high paid mgmt job and pursuit of knowledge with quality of life in NZ....or continuing my work.... I am looking for quality of life though thats why this discussion exists tongue.gif
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QUOTE(huix @ Nov 14 2007, 12:20 PM)
That is GREAT to know! I used to study in USA for 4 years for my degree therefore I mostly knows how to live cheaply as a student. I got the input from google that is around 14000 in auckland. If it great to know that the living cost is not that high. If I cook myself, renting a room near campus or "driving friendly" (man can't live without a car! hehehe middleage man therefore I won't live wihout a car haha), how much will it cost annually?
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Kia Ora! Welcome to New Zealand then! biggrin.gif

I'm not sure where you got your $14,000 number from google. Mind sharing?

Having a car will eat into your budget, but even then, $10,000 will get you a reasonably comfortable life. I survived on about that for one year, and still had room for the odd excursion. And besides, with ASB giving out 7.75% P.A for their FastSaver, there has never been a better time. biggrin.gif

And that was Auckland. I have friends in Christchurch and Dunedin who can survive on less. If you want to do Software Engineering/Computer Science, Canterbury U is generally well regarded, in addition to a lower living cost. And, no infernal himalayas terrain, never stopping wind and above all, FLAT TERRAIN!
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Huix,
Mostly I agree with Haya but you'll need to watch you expenses more if you have a car. Petrol costs are skyrocketing ($1.69 per litre now) and it will go higher next year when the new carbon tax comes info force. I believe they'll implement compulsory insurance soon and you'll have to pay for a warrant of fitness to be done twice a year, maintanence and other stuff. The only thing cheap about driving in NZ is the cost of cars.


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wornbook, probably all of us should meet up someday at NZ, maybe Auckland. Will be leaving early February next year, the fooking air fares are increasing like mad, or have they increased?
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Sorry, missed this earlier...Ya, we would meet up sometime.

You're going to Wellington right? Are you talking about AirNZ airfares? Try www.flypacificblue.co.nz. It's a new airline, only started operation this month (owned by Richard Branson's Virgin). Cos it's just started, not too many ppl seem them as a potential carrier yet so their prices increase more slowly. I entered a random mid-Feb date and found flights for $69.

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hey i juz got my offer letter. how long does it take to apply for student visa? im leaving this 28th of december. can i make it? i heard the letter of good conduct can take quite a while...

i am going to sydney first then auckland on the 23rd of January next year. if my student visa not done yet, can the visa be sent via postage or through internet?
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hey i juz got my offer letter. how long does it take to apply for student visa? im leaving this 28th of december. can i make it? i heard the letter of good conduct can take quite a while...

i am going to sydney first then auckland on the 23rd of January next year. if my student visa not done yet, can the visa be sent via postage or through internet?
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Visas can take a while cos our side (Bukit Aman, which issues the letter of good conduct) takes its own sweet time. Maybe you could ask the NZ High Comm if you could pick your visa up in NZ. You can enter NZ without a visa for up to 3 months so you won't need a visa immediately. But try and sort it out ASAP before you leave, just in case.
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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Nov 19 2007, 02:28 PM)
hey i juz got my offer letter. how long does it take to apply for student visa? im leaving this 28th of december. can i make it? i heard the letter of good conduct can take quite a while...

i am going to sydney first then auckland on the 23rd of January next year. if my student visa not done yet, can the visa be sent via postage or through internet?
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Oh dear.

No visa's cannot be send through the post, through I'm not sure if NZ has the e-visa system like Australia. Try and see if you can get your visa before leaving.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Nov 19 2007, 09:18 AM)
Sorry, missed this earlier...Ya, we would meet up sometime.

You're going to Wellington right? Are you talking about AirNZ airfares? Try www.flypacificblue.co.nz. It's a new airline, only started operation this month (owned by Richard Branson's Virgin). Cos it's just started, not too many ppl seem them as a potential carrier yet so their prices increase more slowly. I entered a random mid-Feb date and found flights for $69.
Saw the fly pacific blue earlier, but I've booked my ticket months ago through my father's mate, who informed us about the increment of flight tickets and we had to buy it before it increases, and wow they do increase a lot. Bought mine for about 2.8k one way straight to Wellington and SIA from Malaysia to Auckland, the AirNZ is kinda expensive eh? And they do not accept more than 20kgs, even with an ISIC card.


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hey i juz got my offer letter. how long does it take to apply for student visa? im leaving this 28th of december. can i make it? i heard the letter of good conduct can take quite a while...

i am going to sydney first then auckland on the 23rd of January next year. if my student visa not done yet, can the visa be sent via postage or through internet?
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Student Visa takes about 2 weeks or less, I've done my medical checkup as well as my financial undertaking form, now I'm left with me school fees before I can process with the visa application. You should be able to get your letter of good conduct in NZ as what my friend has done last year, when you renew your student visa. I do not think that the visa can be sent via internet.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Nov 20 2007, 10:26 AM)
Visas can take a while cos our side (Bukit Aman, which issues the letter of good conduct) takes its own sweet time. Maybe you could ask the NZ High Comm if you could pick your visa up in NZ. You can enter NZ without a visa for up to 3 months so you won't need a visa immediately. But try and sort it out ASAP before you leave, just in case.
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QUOTE(haya @ Nov 20 2007, 11:07 AM)
Oh dear.

No visa's cannot be send through the post, through I'm not sure if NZ has the e-visa system like Australia. Try and see if you can get your visa before leaving.
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Nov 20 2007, 09:18 PM)
Saw the fly pacific blue earlier, but I've booked my ticket months ago through my father's mate, who informed us about the increment of flight tickets and we had to buy it before it increases, and wow they do increase a lot. Bought mine for about 2.8k one way straight to Wellington and SIA from Malaysia to Auckland, the AirNZ is kinda expensive eh? And they do not accept more than 20kgs, even with an ISIC card.
Student Visa takes about 2 weeks or less, I've done my medical checkup as well as my financial undertaking form, now I'm left with me school fees before I can process with the visa application. You should be able to get your letter of good conduct in NZ as what my friend has done last year, when you renew your student visa. I do not think that the visa can be sent via internet.
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thanks for the reply. i only worried about the letter of good conducts. now the certificate of good conduct is done through putrajaya, not bukit aman. i've applied for it since late august but till now haven't receive the certificate. i called and they said they've sent it. i wonder if they sent through registered mail or normal mail.... my option now is to call up my friend/ relatives to pick up another cert with RM 20 charge.... and yea, my envelope was self addressed... and the address was confirmed correct... i triple checked all the documents..

@lilredridinghood

i've checked through the nz immigration. to apply for the student visa, the letter of good conduct is compulsory. probably your friend stayed in NZ for quite some while, thats why he is able to get a good conduct letter through NZ.

this is the website...
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/

@wornbook

well, i would prefer entering NZ with my student visa. i don't want to procrastinate and sort things out later sad.gif

hehe, btw i am arriving Auckland on 28th January. can't wait to fly there >.< together with my offer letter, they mentioned we need to fax to them the detail of our flight. do they seriously provide transport for the first timer??? that would be sweet ...

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Is there any uni offer Actuarial science in NZ?? I try to browse through Uni Auckland and Uni Caterbury but cant saw any of them have it/.
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thanks for the reply. i only worried about the letter of good conducts. now the certificate of good conduct is done through putrajaya, not bukit aman. i've applied for it since late august but till now haven't receive the certificate. i called and they said they've sent it. i wonder if they sent through registered mail or normal mail.... my option now is to call up my friend/ relatives to pick up another cert with RM 20 charge.... and yea, my envelope was self addressed... and the address was confirmed correct... i triple checked all the documents..

@lilredridinghood

i've checked through the nz immigration. to apply for the student visa, the letter of good conduct is compulsory. probably your friend stayed in NZ for quite some while, thats why he is able to get a good conduct letter through NZ.

this is the website...
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/

@wornbook

well, i would prefer entering NZ with my student visa. i don't want to procrastinate and sort things out later sad.gif

hehe, btw i am arriving Auckland on 28th January. can't wait to fly there >.< together with my offer letter, they mentioned we need to fax to them the detail of our flight. do they seriously provide transport for the first timer??? that would be sweet ...
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IRRC, the letter of good conduct is only required if you are going to stay there for more than 24 months like what you will be doing. Perhaps what my friend did was a little bit different, he was only offered for 2 years initially but then decided to go for another year to complete his post graduate diploma.
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Just submited my police letter in putrajaya since this is the longest response time... by the way, i m masked to provide evidence of my degree courses and master courses conducted fully in english.... I don' tknow what evidence they are looking for ahahaha academic transcript? But both my transcepts didn't stated out clearly that the entire course is conducted in english though.... (I thot it is understood that usa and oz courses are english only....) some1 suggested me that to write to my school to come out with a letter to prove...omg I compelted my degree it 10 years ago and master 5 years ago.... anyone knows about this?

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QUOTE(huix @ Nov 22 2007, 04:07 PM)
Just submited my police letter in putrajaya since this is the longest response time... by the way, i m masked to provide evidence of my degree courses and master courses conducted fully in english.... I don' tknow what evidence they are looking for ahahaha academic transcript? But both my transcepts didn't stated out clearly that the entire course is conducted in english though.... (I thot it is understood that usa and oz courses are english only....) some1 suggested me that to write to my school to come out with a letter to prove...omg I compelted my degree it 10 years ago and master 5 years ago.... anyone knows about this?
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First, you might like to spell check the above.

Where did you do your Degree and Masters? And what are you applying for to which university?
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First, you might like to spell check the above.

Where did you do your Degree and Masters? And what are you applying for to which university?
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"(I thot it is understood that usa and oz courses are english only....) " srory i tpyed fsat and din'dt sepll cehck but u sitll can undetand tihs bceuse hmuan itennt to read fisrt and lsat wrod to unedastnd tongue.gif

haha sorry for the typo though. Actually, I am choosing cantebury, uoa and otago. I don't wanna take IETLS because all western school will take your english granted if you studied tertiary education in english speaking country. however, i don't know what envidence to show...my transcript didn't say this course is conducted purely in english.... some degree in usa conducted purely in spanish. my master is oz degree but studied in KL.


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I'm not sure how it works in NZ, but I have a friend who studied his undergrad in NZ and did his post-grad in Australia, and they (the Australian uni) still required him to take the IELTS, never mind that he spent 4 years across the ditch.

Universities don't take anything for granted, let alone the standard of English for international students, even if they have studied in a English speaking country.

It might be a good idea to contact your former instituaon to at least get a letter and/or a transcript with reagrds to language.

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IRRC, the letter of good conduct is only required if you are going to stay there for more than 24 months like what you will be doing. Perhaps what my friend did was a little bit different, he was only offered for 2 years initially but then decided to go for another year to complete his post graduate diploma.
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that justify his NZ good conduct certificate. from the NZ immigration webby, if you stay in NZ >12 mths, you can get their good conduct cert.

well, i got mine yesterday. my uncle went to putrajaya and helped me to take it. initially, he claimed the assistant there hinted for bribes and stuff so he called me. i told her to pass the phone to the supervisor, faxed an authorisation letter and all was sorted out. haiz, government nowadays.... actually, i called earlier and the operator told me it should be ok if my uncle just went there to take it on my behalf....

now left medical check-up and uni receipt, then i'm almost done with my visa. haha, can't wait to breathe new zealand's air ^ ^
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*sigh* Welcome to Malaysia.

Well, you're going yo love New Zealand air! Its the only thing I can't complain about. Kia ora!
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WTF! I need an outward air ticket to ensure my visa application goes smoothly

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just get it imo.
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the problem is I've got myself a one way tic....darn!
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It really should be a problem. There are many students who go over and don't leave till they graduate. All will have one way tickets since open ended return tickets are only for a year. It's a student visa, not a tourist visa after all.
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QUOTE(haya @ Nov 24 2007, 08:01 AM)
*sigh* Welcome to Malaysia.

Well, you're going yo love New Zealand air! Its the only thing I can't complain about. Kia ora!
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when i just landed msia, i ask my mom if there is haze.
straight kena shoot. "what haze?" doh.gif

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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Dec 1 2007, 04:29 AM)
exactly.
when i just landed msia, i ask my mom if there is haze.
straight kena shoot. "what haze?" doh.gif
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Same here man! Just landed back home, and my first question was "Is the haze back?" and my family looked at me a bit blankly. *Sigh* We've been away for too long. biggrin.gif
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Just curious on one thing, is there any university in NZ which not require work experience for MBA?

private college also can... thankz in advance smile.gif
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Hi everyone~

Just curious on one thing, is there any university in NZ which not require work experience for MBA?

private college also can... thankz in advance  smile.gif
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Just a piece of advice, even you get your MBA, without working exp, it is not going to help you much because employers always value experience more than qualification. Think about MBA as a supplement for your career development. In fact, if you decide to stay in academic forever, taking Mphil or master research in one business area such as finance or management may be more fruitful eventually you may take PHd.

If you dun have working experience but having an MBA degree, many employer may still pay you fresh grads paid rate.... or most get you 100-200 higher. 2 years of working exp will give u more than that.

just my 2cp opinion.
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hey guys, one question here. the auckland uni will send ppl to come fetch the newbies once they arrived at the airport right? is it free????
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i believe no such free thing. mostly, u can try to get help from malaysian student society there (if exists). this was how i did many years ago to get free transport.
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hey guys, one question here. the auckland uni will send ppl to come fetch the newbies once they arrived at the airport right? is it free????
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I don't know about UOA, but VUW offers for free.
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http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/for/prospect...al_students.cfm

UOA also offers that. Scroll down the link. I was sure they had.
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where did u guys translate those documents in malay to english which needed to be certified? commisioner of oath also do translation?
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where did u guys translate those documents in malay to english which needed to be certified? commisioner of oath also do translation?
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Translations are a issue. I never had to do that, but a good start would be possibly a Justice of the Peace who can certify the translations.

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Hope got chance can go there, hear my friends says there is a heaven!
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QUOTE(haya @ Dec 4 2007, 07:59 PM)
http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/for/prospect...al_students.cfm

UOA also offers that. Scroll down  the link. I was sure they had.
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nice and i juz need to fax the flight details.... nice service i must say....
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Anyone still in NZ to tell me how summer is?
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Hurray! My Visa has been approved.
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same! hehe.... 28 leaving for Aus then 22nd to Auckland.... really cant wait...
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Merry Christmas to all, and hope you land safely in NZ! To quote Westpac's slogan, Go for it! XD

Edit: just realised that the emoticons have a christmas cheer to it. >.<

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hahahaha, so when does your visa expires?
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i wanna bring a multiple plug to auckland but i duno what kinda pin they're using there.... is it better if i buy it there? i knew someone mentioned about buying it in the 2 dollar shop over there, but this is multiple plug we're talking about.... how about plug converter? that one is available in the 2 dollar store there?
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i wanna bring a multiple plug to auckland but i duno what kinda pin they're using there.... is it better if i buy it there? i knew someone mentioned about buying it in the 2 dollar shop over there, but this is multiple plug we're talking about.... how about plug converter? that one is available in the 2 dollar store there?
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Forword: my knowledge of Auckland is a bit dated, so anyone there who can correct me will be much apperciated. Happy boxing day!

NZ (and Australia) uses the WA-16 plug system. It is similar, but not the same as the Chinese plugs! The Chinese plug pins are a bit longer. They work fine with NZ through. All of us use 240v, 50Hz. It looks like this: http://www.kropla.com/!i.htm

You can pick up one of these cheap adaptors at Lowyat these days. I just bought a few for RM7 each. In Singapore you can pick one up for S$4 at Sim Lim, and if you cross over to Shenzhen, the apperently go for about 1-2 yuan, so just imagine the profit margin. My HK flatmates have got a few dud ones from Shanzhen, through I have 100% success rate thus far.

When I was there, finding a adaptor cost me about $9. I looked at the price, swore and went into Mitre 10, got my self the NZ head, and changed the head myself. Not sure if the $2 shops sell them nowadays (The didn't exist in the shops in my days). The great thing about the NZ system is if you don't have a earth pin you don't have to poke the earth "hole" to plug it in, like here in Malaysia.

I suggest bringing a Malaysian power bank with say 3-4 plugs, and changing the head when you get there, so you still can use your Malaysian appliances (notebook charger, handphone charger etc) without having to change all the heads.

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And the NZ head (the white wire)
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QUOTE(haya @ Dec 27 2007, 01:18 PM)
Forword: my knowledge of Auckland is a bit dated, so anyone there who can correct me will be much apperciated. Happy boxing day!

NZ (and Australia) uses the WA-16 plug system. It is similar, but not the same as the Chinese plugs! The Chinese plug pins are a bit longer. They work fine with NZ through. All of us use 240v, 50Hz. It looks like this: http://www.kropla.com/!i.htm

You can pick up one of these cheap adaptors at Lowyat these days. I just bought a few for RM7 each. In Singapore you can pick one up for S$4 at Sim Lim, and if you cross over to Shenzhen, the apperently go for about 1-2 yuan, so just imagine the profit margin. My HK flatmates have got a few dud ones from Shanzhen, through I have 100% success rate thus far.

When I was there, finding a adaptor cost me about $9. I looked at the price, swore and went into Mitre 10, got my self the NZ head, and changed the head myself. Not sure if the $2 shops sell them nowadays (The didn't exist in the shops in my days). The great thing about the NZ system is if you don't have a earth pin you don't have to poke the earth "hole" to plug it in, like here in Malaysia.

I suggest bringing a Malaysian power bank with say 3-4 plugs, and changing the head when you get there, so you still can use your Malaysian appliances (notebook charger, handphone charger etc) without having to change all the heads.

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My power bank from Malaysia

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And the NZ head (the white wire)
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thanks for the wall of helpful text.

http://www.kropla.com/!i.htm <------ so nz is using the same pin as australia. guess i'll grab some from my sis in australia before heading NZ. if the adapters there are cheap, i guess i'll buy one rather than DIY the head.

really appreciate your prompt reply ^ ^
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i bought this malaysia - nZ converter at universal travlerr.

what's the diff between

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and just

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pin???

i bought both just in case... huhuhh
which one better to be bought???
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Jan 4 2008, 12:26 AM)
i bought this malaysia - nZ converter at universal travlerr.

what's the diff between

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and just

\  /

pin???

i bought both just in case... huhuhh
which one better to be bought???
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The former has a earth socket, while the latter does not have. The great thing is unlike the UK plug system (which Malaysia uses) is that you don't need to plug in the earth socket to be able to plug in the plug. Some low powered appliances (table lamps for instance) do not come with a earth pin.

IMO, both are fine, but I'd go for the former with the earth pin. Interestingly through, some of these universal travel adaptors (which you pretty much can use anywhere on earth) don't come with a earth pin.

How much are one of these things at Universal Traveller?
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QUOTE(haya @ Jan 4 2008, 10:15 AM)
The former has a earth socket, while the latter does not have. The great thing is unlike the UK plug system (which Malaysia uses) is that you don't need to plug in the earth socket to be able to plug in the plug. Some low powered appliances (table lamps for instance) do not come with a earth pin.

IMO, both are fine, but I'd go for the former with the earth pin. Interestingly through, some of these universal travel adaptors (which you pretty much can use anywhere on earth) don't come with a earth pin.

How much are one of these things at Universal Traveller?
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rm15... so.. with earth pin eyh.. coz i'm afraid the wall just hav two holes.. hahha


so..my plan is.. but this adapter.. and bring along malaysia extension... hehee can arr like this?


Added on January 4, 2008, 11:32 pmand alo.. anyoen can clarify price for original software there.. like
MS office
Wndows OS.. XP and vista etc.. hehhee
especialyl in canterbury
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Jan 4 2008, 11:01 PM)
rm15... so.. with earth pin eyh.. coz i'm afraid the wall just hav two holes.. hahha
so..my plan is.. but this adapter.. and bring along malaysia extension... hehee can arr like this?


Added on January 4, 2008, 11:32 pmand alo.. anyoen can clarify price for original software there.. like
MS office
Wndows OS.. XP and vista etc.. hehhee
especialyl in canterbury
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Next time, at least spell check before hitting the summit button. It took me a minute to so to realise you're trying to say "My plan is to bring along the travel adapter and connect a Malaysian plug bank with it". Yes, that is fine. NZ uses the same voltage and frequency as Malaysia.

Prices of most software is fixed, through you might be able to get a slightly cheaper OEM (of mass license) version. XP goes for about $150-190 depending on where you buy and whether its a upgrade or full version.

Don't worry. Bring in your notebook with your pirated XP or Vista. Immigration has more important things to do than check the authenticity of your software.


Added on January 5, 2008, 11:52 amEdit: fantagero, what are you studying at Canterbury?

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I agree with Haya's method of getting a multi-plug board/power bank in Malaysia - most of your appliances will be from Malaysia anyway. Except that with the readily available $2 adaptors (international to NZ), I won't bother with changing the heads. Not worth the effort and less flexible.

The problem with that method is if and when you buy some NZ appliances (stuff like desk lamps, electric kettles) since you won't be able to plug them into the Msian multi-plug. You'll either have to get an NZ to Msia adaptor or get an NZ multi-plug and plug the M'sian multi-plug AND the NZ appliances into it. Not sure if that makes any sense...

Btw NZ and China 3-pin adaptors are interchangeable. But 2-pin Chinese ones can't be used in NZ since they're a different shape (like M'sia 2-pin) - beats me why.

My gripe with NZ power heads/plugs is their annoying shape. If you notice from Haya's pic, they jut out at 90 degrees from the wall (compared with Msia/UK flat ones). It's a real pain if you're trying to use a plug point behind furniture etc. You can get flat heads with some searching but any new appliances you buy will be in that irritating shape.

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got something in my head rite now..

my friend have said 2 me that weight limit 20kg jus been applied 2 bagasi that u bring together.. all item that u bring outside the bagasi will not be measured..

could i bring along my desktop in my backpack without measuring its weight???
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QUOTE(haya @ Jan 5 2008, 11:51 AM)
Next time, at least spell check before hitting the summit button. It took me a minute to so to realise you're trying to say "My plan is to bring along the travel adapter and connect a Malaysian plug bank with it". Yes, that is fine. NZ uses the same voltage and frequency as Malaysia.

Prices of most software is fixed, through you might be able to get a slightly cheaper OEM (of mass license) version. XP goes for about $150-190 depending on where you buy and whether its a upgrade or full version.

Don't worry. Bring in your notebook with your pirated XP or Vista. Immigration has more important things to do than check the authenticity of your software.


Added on January 5, 2008, 11:52 amEdit: fantagero, what are you studying at Canterbury?
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sorry.. didnt realise my structure error... i was in cyber cafe with all people playing games with loud speaker.. huuhh

are u studying in canterbury??

BSc physics.

QUOTE(sanfa @ Jan 5 2008, 10:47 PM)
got something in my head rite now..

my friend have said 2 me that weight limit 20kg jus been applied 2 bagasi that u bring together.. all item that u bring outside the bagasi will not be measured..

could i bring along my desktop in my backpack without measuring its weight???
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according to our senior..
luggage.. 20kg.
hand luggage 5 kg.
laptop bag, tak timbang.. but as long as the item inside connected with the laptop.. mouse, hdd..
i heard like that laa..

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QUOTE(sanfa @ Jan 5 2008, 10:47 PM)
got something in my head rite now..

my friend have said 2 me that weight limit 20kg jus been applied 2 bagasi that u bring together.. all item that u bring outside the bagasi will not be measured..

could i bring along my desktop in my backpack without measuring its weight???
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Jan 6 2008, 01:33 AM)
sorry.. didnt realise my structure error... i was in cyber cafe with all people playing games with loud speaker.. huuhh

are u studying in canterbury??

BSc physics.
according to our senior..
luggage.. 20kg.
hand luggage 5 kg.
laptop bag, tak timbang.. but as long as the item inside connected with the laptop.. mouse, hdd..
i heard like that laa..
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It really depends on whether you're talking about domestic or international flights. From my experience, the folks at KLIA really don't care and give quite generous allowance for both check-in and hand luggage. Especially hand luggage. Never been asked to weigh it and they don't regulate the size, no. of pieces etc either unless it's really extreme.

Domestically within NZ though (and international departing from NZ), is another thing. The limit for check-in baggage is 20kg (with an allowance of approx +5). Anything more and you pay. Hand luggage is 7kg (they will weigh it if it looks heavy) and there's a specific size. Technically, you're only allowed ONE piece and laptops count as that one piece. But stuff like jackets and handbags don't count. So I used to carry my laptop as my one piece and a SMALL backpack as my "handbag". Never had any problems. But I saw someone stopped once for trying to bring a huge rucksack on board.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Jan 5 2008, 07:32 PM)
I agree with Haya's method of getting a multi-plug board/power bank in Malaysia - most of your appliances will be from Malaysia anyway. Except that with the readily available $2 adaptors (international to NZ), I won't bother with changing the heads. Not worth the effort and less flexible.

The problem with that method is if and when you buy some NZ appliances (stuff like desk lamps, electric kettles) since you won't be able to plug them into the Msian multi-plug. You'll either have to get an NZ to Msia adaptor or get an NZ multi-plug and plug the M'sian multi-plug AND the NZ appliances into it. Not sure if that makes any sense... 


Btw NZ and China 3-pin adaptors are interchangeable. But 2-pin Chinese ones can't be used in NZ since they're a different shape (like M'sia 2-pin) - beats me why.

My gripe with NZ power heads/plugs is their annoying shape. If you notice from Haya's pic, they jut out at 90 degrees from the wall (compared with Msia/UK flat ones). It's a real pain if you're trying to use a plug point behind furniture etc. You can get flat heads with some searching but any new appliances you buy will be in that irritating shape.
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Or, just go out and buy a NZ power bank. doh.gif

Also, if you look closely at mine, its one of those China made power banks which can accept the different plugs of the world, NZ included.

Yeah, I was there in a era where $2 adaptors didn't quite exist yet. tongue.gif

QUOTE(sanfa @ Jan 5 2008, 10:47 PM)
got something in my head rite now..

my friend have said 2 me that weight limit 20kg jus been applied 2 bagasi that u bring together.. all item that u bring outside the bagasi will not be measured..

could i bring along my desktop in my backpack without measuring its weight???
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Pretty much what Wornbook has said is the anwser. However, I have to add something: your laptop bag and cabin luggage counts as 2 pieces. However, you can use a notebook backpack (like a school bag, if you will, but with a dedicated compartment to put your notebook) to get around it. Its considered as a "personal item" like handbags, walking sticks etc. And, assuming its not too big, it also can be used to store even more stuff!

I'm not sure if ANY airline will allow a full blown desktop, casing and all, as cabin luggage with another bag. Methinks that the desktop alone will take up your 1 allowed cabin luggage allowance.

QUOTE(fantagero @ Jan 6 2008, 01:33 AM)
are u studying in canterbury??

BSc physics.
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Nope. I had the chance, but I gave it up. I'm still not sure if it was the right decition.

BSc Physics. Sanfa, same as you?
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Or, just go out and buy a NZ power bank. doh.gif

Also, if you look closely at mine, its one of those China made power banks which can accept the different plugs of the world, NZ included.
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Those are great. I didn't even know they existed until a couple of months ago when I went to China where pratically every hotel had 'em. Can you get them in M'sia? I don't think they're available over here in NZ... unless the $2 shops stock them. Everything those shops carry are from China anyway.

QUOTE(haya @ Jan 6 2008, 05:14 PM)
Pretty much what Wornbook has said is the anwser. However, I have to add something: your laptop bag and cabin luggage counts  as 2 pieces. However, you can use a notebook backpack (like a school bag, if you will, but with a dedicated compartment to put your notebook) to get around it. Its considered as a "personal item" like handbags, walking sticks etc. And, assuming its not too big, it also can be used to store even more stuff!
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That's what I said! tongue.gif Oh well, guess I wasn't clear enough.

To all those who've arrived or will be arriving soon, welcome to NZ.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Jan 6 2008, 05:50 PM)
Those are great. I didn't even know they existed until a couple of months ago when I went to China where pratically every hotel had 'em. Can you get them in M'sia? I don't think they're available over here in NZ... unless the $2 shops stock them. Everything those shops carry are from China anyway.
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Yes, you can get these in M'sia in these cheap "One Stop Discount" shops. The dud rate is quite high through, I bought 3 of those, and only 1 of them had all 3 sockets working! And you can't test them in the shop!

They are good, in the sense that believe it or not, some parts of China do not use the same plug. Go north to heilongjiang and some of the (older) buildings use the Russian plug (Type F) system! Its even worst in India where every electrical appliance seems to be imported from around the world which do not fit the plug system there.
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air nz is damn irritating, after browsing through the site, I noticed that my laptop backpack might be too big to be considered as a personal item, are there any possibilities to bring it in? Even if I pay a small sum of fine?

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jan 8 2008, 12:04 PM)
air nz is damn irritating, after browsing through the site, I noticed that my laptop backpack might be too big to be considered as a personal item, are there any possibilities to bring it in? Even if I pay a small sum of fine?
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Are you sure your backpack is that big?. The max is 115 cm which is almost the size of a small to medium luggage. If it is really that big, just put fewer things in it, and squeeze it down.
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It isn't that big, but apparently, Air New Zealand is very particular when it comes to baggage from what I've heard. Big laptop bags are considered as one piece of hand carry luggage from their site.
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jan 8 2008, 05:01 PM)
It isn't that big, but apparently, Air New Zealand is very particular when it comes to baggage from what I've heard. Big laptop bags are considered as one piece of hand carry luggage from their site.
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Yep, laptop bags count as one piece. How big is your backpack? I've never had a problem with passing mine off as a personal item - it's a average (medium)-sized Reebok bag. As long as it's not stuffed really full, it should be fine.

Btw, if a piece of cabin luggage is over-sized/over-weight they simply won't let it onto the plane. It's for safety reasons, so a mere fine won't solve the problem.
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hahha quite confusing abotu the luggage..


so.. for 1st timer, KLIA - NZ..
just one big luggage, one laptop bag, and one hand luggage

????
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Jan 8 2008, 05:47 PM)
Yep, laptop bags count as one piece. How big is your backpack? I've never had a problem with passing mine off as a personal item - it's a average (medium)-sized Reebok bag. As long as it's not stuffed really full, it should be fine.

Btw, if a piece of cabin luggage is over-sized/over-weight they simply won't let it onto the plane. It's for safety reasons, so a mere fine won't solve the problem.
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then i guess it should be fine, I guess I should be able to argue my way in, wanted to get a backpack for my partner's lappie, but i guess staying sling is much better as it is much slimmer than a backpack

Thanks by the way.
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anyone here studying high school in NZ ? my friend who is 17 this year will be flying there for high school.
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Which high school? biggrin.gif
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well , i'm not sure which and where. the place he's going is a place i never heard of. i'll find out later. i

how about you ? which part of Nz?
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How do I put this: I am and am not in NZ at the same time. But I stayed in Auckland.
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has anyone flew with qantas before? is the customs strict? i am planning to put all my books weighing 20 kg inside my small luggage along wif a laptop bag and smuggle it inside to the airplane. yes hand carry. its possible with brunei air but i am not very sure about qantas. anyone experienced flying with qantas before?

BTW, i will be arriving in Auckland 23rd of January, hope to see you folks there.
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attended pre depart briefing today... yay.. a month to go.. :


Added on January 17, 2008, 12:11 amwant to ask.. is it recomemdd to build desktop there???

hahha my head still cant accept laptop hahaa...

and my hands gatal want to build desktop.... :crazy:

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has anyone flew with qantas before? is the customs strict? i am planning to put all my books weighing 20 kg inside my small luggage along wif a laptop bag and smuggle it inside to the airplane. yes hand carry. its possible with brunei air but i am not very sure about qantas. anyone experienced flying with qantas before?

BTW, i will be arriving in Auckland 23rd of January, hope to see you folks there.
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Qantas from Singapore? Changi is usually quite lenient, if you are transiting from somewhere else (say, Kuching), and assuming you don't start your journey in Singapore, with your hand luggage. I brought in my cabin bag and my laptop bag, no problems.

QUOTE(fantagero @ Jan 16 2008, 11:30 PM)
attended pre depart briefing today... yay.. a month to go.. :


Added on January 17, 2008, 12:11 amwant to ask.. is it recomemdd to build desktop there???

hahha my head still cant accept laptop hahaa...

and my hands gatal want to build desktop.... :crazy:
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Prices of computer parts in NZ are a bit higher than Malaysia, and range can be painfully limited (compared to KL's Low Yat) unless you order online. Personally, bring a notebook the 1st time, then when you come back at the end of the year, consider bringing a desktop over (when you don't have to much to carry with you) on the way back.

Yes, I do miss having a desktop.
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QUOTE(haya @ Jan 17 2008, 11:45 AM)
Qantas from Singapore? Changi is usually quite lenient, if you are transiting from somewhere else (say, Kuching), and assuming you don't start your journey in Singapore, with your hand luggage. I brought in my cabin bag and my laptop bag, no problems.
Prices of computer parts in NZ are a bit higher than Malaysia, and range can be painfully limited (compared to KL's Low Yat) unless you order online. Personally, bring a notebook the 1st time, then when you come back at the end of the year, consider bringing a desktop over (when you don't have to much to carry with you) on the way back.

Yes, I do miss having a desktop.
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ya online.. even in malaysia so many ffk cases... uhuhh
i'm thinking to rip my desktop part one by one.. then just leave the casing here..

so.. when arrive there, just buy casing and monitor.. hahhaa
but maybe for my 2nd trip laa..

1st time flight, sure gonna bring a lot of stater things.. sweat.gif


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ya online.. even in malaysia so many ffk cases... uhuhh
i'm thinking to rip my desktop part one by one.. then just leave the casing here..

so.. when arrive there, just buy casing and monitor.. hahhaa
but maybe for my 2nd trip laa..

1st time flight, sure gonna bring a lot of stater things.. sweat.gif
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where are you heading to by the way
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canterbury x-church, hehee


u?


yaya... flight already confirmed.. sweat.gif

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canterbury x-church, hehee
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i think my friend went over to that place too. the name sounded weird to me and i wasn't sure where it is. canterbury x-church ? i think that's the place. do tell me if you met a 17 yr old guy from msia there biggrin.gif
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vic in wellington....
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i got 10 if i'm right my friends going there too tongue.gif

QUOTE(dikwen @ Jan 18 2008, 10:44 PM)
i think my friend went over to that place too. the name sounded weird to me and i wasn't sure where it is. canterbury x-church ? i think that's the place. do tell me if you met a 17 yr old guy from msia there  biggrin.gif
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crischurch laa..

hhehee...

ur friend take what course???


wanna ask.. what bank that got branch here and canter??

wonder if my parent can cash deposit like in malaysia..

like,, my dad in johor,, he just deposit the money at atm.. then me at KL, can draw the money at the same day.. tongue.gif
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i got 10 if i'm right my friends going there too tongue.gif
crischurch laa..

hhehee...

ur friend take what course???
wanna ask.. what bank that got branch here and canter??

wonder if my parent can cash deposit like in malaysia..

like,, my dad in johor,, he just deposit the money at atm.. then me at KL, can draw the money at the same day.. tongue.gif
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Try HSBC. I don't know if they have a branch in Christchurch though - very few branches nationwide.

Any bank will do really. Your Dad can still transfer the $$$ over. I recommend National Bank or BNZ since their branches are everywhere, especially on/near campuses. You'll never have a problem looking for one.

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QUOTE(fantagero @ Jan 18 2008, 10:47 PM)
i got 10 if i'm right my friends going there too tongue.gif
crischurch laa..

hhehee...

ur friend take what course???
wanna ask.. what bank that got branch here and canter??

wonder if my parent can cash deposit like in malaysia..

like,, my dad in johor,, he just deposit the money at atm.. then me at KL, can draw the money at the same day.. tongue.gif
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Christchurch. Please. At least know where youre going.

As wornbook said, I think the only bank which has both branches in Malaysia and NZ is HSBC. I'd second what wornbook said, that is, to go there, and open a normal NZ back account. I love ASB. And their 7.75% interest. tongue.gif Then have your parents transfer the money to your NZ bank account, be it TT or BankDraft.
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Jan 18 2008, 10:47 PM)
i got 10 if i'm right my friends going there too tongue.gif
crischurch laa..

hhehee...

ur friend take what course???
wanna ask.. what bank that got branch here and canter??

wonder if my parent can cash deposit like in malaysia..

like,, my dad in johor,, he just deposit the money at atm.. then me at KL, can draw the money at the same day.. tongue.gif
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telegraphic transfer?

QUOTE(haya @ Jan 19 2008, 01:51 PM)
Christchurch. Please. At least know where youre going.

As wornbook said, I think the only bank which has both branches in Malaysia and NZ is HSBC. I'd second what wornbook said, that is, to go there, and open a normal NZ back account. I love ASB. And their 7.75% interest. tongue.gif  Then have your parents transfer the money to your NZ bank account, be it TT or BankDraft.
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ASB stands for? Amanah Saham Bumiputra? Is that a saver account? i bet it sure come with conditions preventing you drawing money and transactions.


Added on January 20, 2008, 7:03 amsorry, just checked the ASB bank site. really good deal. its called fastsaver account. please do correct me if im wrong.

http://www.asbbank.co.nz/story6924.asp?

tonnes better than ANZ progress saver account

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telegraphic transfer?
ASB stands for? Amanah Saham Bumiputra? Is that a saver account? i bet it sure come with conditions preventing you drawing money and transactions.


Added on January 20, 2008, 7:03 amsorry, just checked the ASB bank site. really good deal. its called fastsaver account. please do correct me if im wrong.

http://www.asbbank.co.nz/story6924.asp?

tonnes better than ANZ progress saver account
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now in brisbane. flying to Auckland day after tomorrow.
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Christchurch. Please. At least know where youre going.

As wornbook said, I think the only bank which has both branches in Malaysia and NZ is HSBC. I'd second what wornbook said, that is, to go there, and open a normal NZ back account. I love ASB. And their 7.75% interest. tongue.gif  Then have your parents transfer the money to your NZ bank account, be it TT or BankDraft.
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i know.. just the keyboard at the cyber cafe sucks big time.. sorry,...

ehmm TT takes 3 days rite to get here...
the hsbc thing i mention.. just for precaution.. maybe i'm in rush need the money to transfer rite away.. that's what i;m thinking..

hohoh got the traveler's cheuques edy.. tongue.gif

once arrive there,, sure can open bank and cash all the cheques.

rclxub.gif how to spell cheque??
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i know.. just the keyboard at the cyber cafe sucks big time.. sorry,...

ehmm TT takes 3 days rite to get here...
the hsbc thing i mention.. just for precaution.. maybe i'm in rush need the money to transfer rite away.. that's what i;m thinking..

hohoh got the traveler's cheuques  edy.. tongue.gif

once arrive there,, sure can open bank and cash all the cheques.

rclxub.gif how to spell cheque??
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traveller's cheques is a very expensive (and obsolete nowadays) way of transferring money across borders......you will easily loose 2-3% in exchange loss and transaction fees........

tt (telegraphic transfer) is a quick way of transferring money, usually in 1-2 days, but also incur a very high charge, from both the sending, and receiving ends..........only use this in an emergency.....

the most cost-effective non-urgent way to transfer big sums is by bank drafts (or demand drafts)...... incurs minimal charges buying, and zero charge receiving, when deposited into an account.....that's how we transfer our funds...........

for small amounts, especially during travels/visits, use your msian bankcard with either plus or cirrus facility to withdraw money at foreign atm.......instant cash, small charge only.......but of course limited by the limits of atm withdrawals allowed..........
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for small amounts, especially during travels/visits, use your msian bankcard with either plus or cirrus facility to withdraw money at foreign atm.......instant cash, small charge only.......but of course limited by the limits of atm withdrawals allowed..........
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using foreign debit card in NZ will incur a charge of NZ 5. ATM allow you to draw out NZ 1000 per transaction. if you wanna draw out large sum of money, the easy way would be TT or bank draft.

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QUOTE(fantagero @ Jan 22 2008, 12:42 AM)
i know.. just the keyboard at the cyber cafe sucks big time.. sorry,...

ehmm TT takes 3 days rite to get here...
the hsbc thing i mention.. just for precaution.. maybe i'm in rush need the money to transfer rite away.. that's what i;m thinking..

hohoh got the traveler's cheuques  edy.. tongue.gif

once arrive there,, sure can open bank and cash all the cheques.

rclxub.gif how to spell cheque??
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'Cheque' is fine. Unless you want to go American, then it's 'check'. Since you're coming to NZ, better use 'cheque'. smile.gif

HSBC might be convenient (provided you can do a direct transfer across borders) but if there isn't a branch in Christchurch, it won't help much in an emergency. A better precaution would be to just watch your spending so your account balance never drops too low.

I like ASB's interest rates but from the point of view of a student (with few savings), it gets a little inconvenient. I don't know about in Canterbury, but there's no ASB ATM/branch near the Auckland Uni campus. If you need $$$ or to do banking, you'll have to walk a distance. It's not THAT far, but it sure isn't convenient. It was the same in Otago - had to take a ten min walk to town to get anything done. And then there's the difficulty of finding ATMs when you're travelling, especially in smaller towns. There's always EFTPOS but sometimes you will need cash.

Let's not even get started on HSBC... National and BNZ are by far the most convenient. Plus National Bank offers 7.75% for their Online Account. rclxms.gif

Btw, if you really want to take advantage of high interest rates, open a foreign currency account in Malaysia. Our banks are offering interest rates as high as 8+% for fixed deposits in NZD. The advantage is interest isn't taxed in Malaysia. If only I had enough cash to make that worthwhile...
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Jan 22 2008, 06:53 AM)
'Cheque' is fine. Unless you want to go American, then it's 'check'. Since you're coming to NZ, better use 'cheque'.  smile.gif

HSBC might be convenient (provided you can do a direct transfer across borders) but if there isn't a branch in Christchurch, it won't help much in an emergency. A better precaution would be to just watch your spending so your account balance never drops too low.

I like ASB's interest rates but from the point of view of a student (with few savings), it gets a little inconvenient. I don't know about in Canterbury, but there's no ASB ATM/branch near the Auckland Uni campus. If you need $$$ or to do banking, you'll have to walk a distance. It's not THAT far, but it sure isn't convenient. It was the same in Otago - had to take a ten min walk to town to get anything done. And then there's the difficulty of finding ATMs when you're travelling, especially in smaller towns. There's always EFTPOS but sometimes you will need cash.

Let's not even get started on HSBC... National and BNZ are by far the most convenient. Plus National Bank offers 7.75% for their Online Account. rclxms.gif

Btw, if you really want to take advantage of high interest rates, open a foreign currency account in Malaysia. Our banks are offering interest rates as high as 8+% for fixed deposits in NZD. The advantage is interest isn't taxed in Malaysia. If only I had enough cash to make that worthwhile...
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there is a cash out facility when you pay by eftpos payment, so you can always top up your cash reserve during a purchase.

note that when you convert rm to nz$, you incur exchange losses........and subject to exchange fluctuations........if you are sending over to spend, that is okay, but if you keep in msia, for the high interest, and eventually intend to covert back to rm.......beware.......you may actually loose money if the nz$ drops........

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I am in the process of ITA lodged to NZIS. I heard saving acct interest earn kena tax as well. Student need to pay tax?
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there is a cash out facility when you pay by eftpos payment, so you can always top up your cash reserve during a purchase.

note that when you convert rm to nz$, you incur exchange losses........and subject to exchange fluctuations........if you are sending over to spend, that is okay, but if you keep in msia, for the high interest, and eventually intend to covert back to rm.......beware.......you may actually loose money if the nz$ drops........
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True about cash out. But say you need to pay cash for something (eg student group organised trip). It can be annoying to go to a shop to buy something you don't need, just to get cash out. Besides, not all small shops give cash out and you won't want to walk all the way to a supermarket for that purpose. Or maybe it's just me. smile.gif

Bout the exchange rate - you're right. But it's still something to consider for those who have the means. Fixed deposits don't have to be THAT long and from the looks of things, it's unlikely the NZD will fluctuate much within the next 6 months or so. I wish it would though...
Anyway, there's a risk factor in every investment. It's up to the individual to do the calculations and weigh the gains against the risk.

Btw, are you studying/did you study in NZ? I always had the impression you in the US...

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I am in the process of ITA lodged to NZIS. I heard saving acct interest earn kena tax as well. Student need to pay tax?
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Yep, every dollar earned in NZ is taxed from wages to interest. Students are not exempt. And if you don't have an IRD number, you get taxed more.

Welcome to New Zealand. tongue.gif

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ehmm plan to self cater there.. so..
anyone can suggest what dish economic to cook there?? especially malays food.. hehee

i'm afraid learn something that i cant cook there.. hahhaa tongue.gif
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i will be doing that too, but will dine out for the first few weeks just to familiarise myself with the city
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ehmm plan to self cater there.. so..
anyone can suggest what dish economic to cook there?? especially malays food.. hehee

i'm afraid learn something that i cant cook there.. hahhaa tongue.gif
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My method is to 'cheat'. I just buy those instant sauces/seasonings from Msia (so much cheaper than here). Cut up meat and vege, add sauce as per instructions, stir, cook and viola - rendang, herbal chicken soup, satay, assam fish, prawn mee... You name it, I've got it. smile.gif

That's how I cook anything that isn't a combination of salt, pepper, oyster sauce, and soya sauce.
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Yep, every dollar earned in NZ is taxed from wages to interest. Students are not exempt. And if you don't have an IRD number, you get taxed more.

Welcome to New Zealand. tongue.gif
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So if I have/get a IRD number (link here BTW), what do I do with it? And how much less is taxed on your bank interest? The iRD is currently taking close to 30% of my bank interest! *(^&$%#%^^*(&)(*_)&*%&^$&

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yoyoyo Kia Ora. i am now in Grafton Hall, eating Grafton's bandwidth. this is a freakin small room. who wanna hang out in Auckland?
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yoyoyo Kia Ora. i am now in Grafton Hall, eating Grafton's bandwidth. this is a freakin small room. who wanna hang out in Auckland?
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ehmm plan to self cater there.. so..
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i'm afraid learn something that i cant cook there.. hahhaa tongue.gif
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Fried Rice...
the easiest food that i cooked before
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So if I have/get a IRD number (link here BTW), what do I do with it? And how much less is taxed on your bank interest? The iRD is currently taking close to 30% of my bank interest! *(^&$%#%^^*(&)(*_)&*%&^$&
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Inform the bank and give them your number. Then inform IRD - you might be able to claim back some of the extra interest paid.

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yoyoyo Kia Ora. i am now in Grafton Hall, eating Grafton's bandwidth. this is a freakin small room. who wanna hang out in Auckland?
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Kia Ora and welcome.

So you're in one of the rooms in the main building? Ya freaking small alright. Some of the rooms in the villa/house building next to the main one are bigger. Did they put all the Malaysians/IMU students on the same floor again?
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can we bring the seasoning from malaysia???

like perencah nasik goreng adabi???
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can we bring the seasoning from malaysia???

like perencah nasik goreng adabi???
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50/50 chance. Sometimes customs lets it through, sometimes they'll ask you to chuck it.

You can buy them at Medowlands these days if you're in Auckland.
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Inform the bank and give them your number. Then inform IRD - you might be able to claim back some of the extra interest paid.
Kia Ora and welcome.

So you're in one of the rooms in the main building? Ya freaking small alright. Some of the rooms in the villa/house building next to the main one are bigger. Did they put all the Malaysians/IMU students on the same floor again?
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yea, i have no trouble with small room. its all quite smooth and good here, most of the stuff are free. even the people are quite friendly (not all, i am really disappointed with those chinese from china, freakin stick to their own groups only). just finished a soccer game with some foreigners, pretty tired now.... wornbook, are you still in Auckland?
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Yes you can. BUT they must be properly commercially packed with the list of ingredients clearly printed on them. And no meats, fresh fruits/vege, or anything with seeds. And no dairy products (the exception being Milo MADE IN MALAYSIA).

Contrary to popular belief, there's actually quite a lot of food that can be brought into NZ. Among things I've brought in - roti canai, tau sa pau, mooncakes and even frozen (ocean) fish. I kid you not.

Just stick to things not on the banned list AND ALWAYS DECLARE THEM. What I do is to pack all food into a separate bag and show it to customs. So much simpler than digging into 2-3 bags for bits and pieces. The easier you make their life, the nicer they'll be.

QUOTE(haya @ Jan 25 2008, 04:04 PM)
50/50 chance. Sometimes customs lets it through, sometimes they'll ask you to chuck it.

You can buy them at Medowlands these days if you're in Auckland.
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There's a Taiping Supermarket for Asian food products in the CBD. You can also get lost of seasoning packets from places like New World and Countdown these days. There's really no need to go all the way out east, unless you live nearby.


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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Jan 25 2008, 04:58 PM)
yea, i have no trouble with small room. its all quite smooth and good here, most of the stuff are free. even the people are quite friendly (not all, i am really disappointed with those chinese from china, freakin stick to their own groups only). just finished a soccer game with some foreigners, pretty tired now.... wornbook, are you still in Auckland?
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Yes, I'm in Auckland.

By foreigners, I take you mean non-Kiwis? Most locals are still on summer break aren't they?

The sticking to own groups phenomenon is very common. I hate to say it, but Malaysians are just as bad. Our only saving grace is that we speak better English than other Asians in general and so hang out with other people better. But only just a bit better.




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Yes you can. BUT they must be properly commercially packed with the list of ingredients clearly printed on them. And no meats, fresh fruits/vege, or anything with seeds. And no dairy products (the exception being Milo MADE IN MALAYSIA). 

Contrary to popular belief, there's actually quite a lot of food that can be brought into NZ. Among things I've brought in - roti canai, tau sa pau, mooncakes and even frozen (ocean) fish. I kid you not. 

Just stick to things not on the banned list AND ALWAYS DECLARE THEM. What I do is to pack all food into a separate bag and show it to customs. So much simpler than digging into 2-3 bags for bits and pieces. The easier you make their life, the nicer they'll be.
There's a Taiping Supermarket for Asian food products in the CBD. You can also get lost of seasoning packets from places like New World and Countdown these days. There's really no need to go all the way out east, unless you live nearby.
owh.. so if bring perencah,, pack them in one beg.. then show to the pegawai there rite..

ehmm then safe la like that.. maybe can get a week supply, b4 gettin familiar with the place there..

anyone in canter??
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owh.. so if bring perencah,, pack them in one beg.. then show to the pegawai there rite..
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It doesn't strictly have to be in one bag, but it sure makes life a heck of a lot easier than anyone. As long as you declare EVERYTHING food-related, you'll be safe. The worse they'll do is chuck it (which they won't if it's on the approved list). But if you don't declare, even if it's an allowed product, they might fine you $200 on the spot. For serious offences it's $10,000.
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Yes, I'm in Auckland.

By foreigners, I take you mean non-Kiwis? Most locals are still on summer break aren't they?

The sticking to own groups phenomenon is very common. I hate to say it, but Malaysians are just as bad. Our only saving grace is that we speak better English than other Asians in general and so hang out with other people better. But only just a bit better.
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hey maybe someday we should hang out together. who else is going to Auckland?
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my juniors will going there
60 of them
they are under TESOL program
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It doesn't strictly have to be in one bag, but it sure makes life a heck of a lot easier than anyone. As long as you declare EVERYTHING food-related, you'll be safe. The worse they'll do is chuck it (which they won't if it's on the approved list). But if you don't declare, even if it's an allowed product, they might fine you $200 on the spot. For serious offences it's $10,000.
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i dont understand what does chuck mean
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Throw away. Dispose. Get rid off.

You are seriously going to have some problems in NZ.
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Throw away. Dispose. Get rid off.

You are seriously going to have some problems in NZ.
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u mean by bringing perencah or with my vocab...

sweat.gif hahhaha internet, forum + 3 months holiday, what u can expect.. tongue.gif notworthy.gif

btw, how's mobile usage there..
i mean. what's telco, how's the rate. i heard in canter, the line call free..

and which one cheaper there.. subscribing internet like "streamyx", or telco broadband like "maxis broadband".. the name just and example.. sweat.gif

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u mean by bringing perencah or with my vocab...

sweat.gif hahhaha internet, forum + 3 months holiday, what u can expect.. tongue.gif notworthy.gif

btw, how's mobile usage there..
i mean. what's telco, how's the rate. i heard in canter, the line call free..

and which one cheaper there.. subscribing internet like "streamyx", or telco broadband like "maxis broadband".. the name just and example.. sweat.gif
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That's already been answered previously in this thread. Go and search lah.
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Jan 29 2008, 12:19 AM)
u mean by bringing perencah or with my vocab...

sweat.gif hahhaha internet, forum + 3 months holiday, what u can expect.. tongue.gif notworthy.gif

btw, how's mobile usage there..
i mean. what's telco, how's the rate. i heard in canter, the line call free..

and which one cheaper there.. subscribing internet like "streamyx", or telco broadband like "maxis broadband".. the name just and example.. sweat.gif
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Both. And I expect someone who has 3 months break, and knowing the fact he's going to NZ, to brush up his English. If I can find a Taiwanese who will pay me to teach English, what can you say?

Seriously fantagero, 3 months of holiday using the internet, and you still don't know how to use the internet for research. Here's some free advise: stop frequenting forums. Learn something. Like typing "New Zealand broadband" into google. If you bothered to use Wikipedia, you will know that there are only 2 teleco's in NZ. And if you have so much free time, why can't you be bothered to read through this thread?

Forget Screamyx. Forget Maxis Broadband. Learn Number Portability. Vodafone is not just something you see when Man U plays.

No wonder we Asians don't have a good name.
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QUOTE(haya @ Jan 29 2008, 02:00 PM)
Both. And I expect someone who has 3 months break, and knowing the fact he's going to NZ, to brush up his English. If I can find a Taiwanese who will pay me to teach English, what can you say?

Seriously fantagero, 3 months of holiday using the internet, and you still don't know how to use the internet for research. Here's some free advise: stop frequenting forums. Learn something. Like typing "New Zealand broadband" into google. If you bothered to use Wikipedia, you will know that there are only 2 teleco's in NZ. And if you have so much free time, why can't you be bothered to read through this thread?

Forget Screamyx. Forget Maxis Broadband. Learn Number Portability. Vodafone is not just something you see when Man U plays.

No wonder we Asians don't have a good name.
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i'm not saying my english suck.. suck actually, but only on internet..
don't worry, u can have a proper English with me outside.
fine.. thanks for the advice by the way..

yes, my holiday for 3 months.. but i only been this active for like 2 weeks.. since i can connect using dial up at home.. other time, i just online at cyber cafe.

yes internet for research.. forum is one of the way... dude.. it's not like i don't know how to use google.. i just want to have more responses from people that have been through this experience... humanly response..


notworthy.gif thank you by the way for the advices notworthy.gif

btw.. using telecom..
https://www.telecom.co.nz/broadband/select/...-204473,00.html
the plan described by how much GB we use. what about the speed?? speed just the same for all plans?



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QUOTE(fantagero @ Jan 29 2008, 08:32 PM)
i'm not saying my english suck.. suck actually, but only on internet..
don't worry, u can have a proper English with me outside.
fine.. thanks for the advice by the way..

yes, my holiday for 3 months.. but i only been this active for like 2 weeks.. since i can connect using dial up at home.. other time, i just online at cyber cafe.

yes internet for research.. forum is one of the way... dude.. it's not like i don't know how to use google.. i just want to have more responses from people that have been through this experience... humanly response..
notworthy.gif  thank you by the way for the advices  notworthy.gif

btw.. using telecom..
https://www.telecom.co.nz/broadband/select/...-204473,00.html
the plan described by how much GB we use. what about the speed?? speed just the same for all plans?
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Well, can you make it unsuck on the internet also?

Anyway, to answer your question, all Telecom broadband speeds are "unleashed", meaning it all depends on how far you live from the exchange. If your line sync is 5Mbits, theoretically the fastest you can download within your cap is 500kB/s (note units).

I've never got more than 140kB/s through. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(haya @ Jan 30 2008, 07:33 AM)
Well, can you make it unsuck on the internet also?

Anyway, to answer your question, all Telecom broadband speeds are "unleashed", meaning it all depends on how far you live from the exchange. If your line sync is 5Mbits, theoretically the fastest you can download within your cap is 500kB/s (note units).

I've never got more than 140kB/s through. biggrin.gif
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heheh i thought internet where we can enjoy our freedom tongue.gif ok, no problemo, no more suck english tongue.gif

owh... lucky i'm not addicted to torrenting..

damn.. just finished shopping my stationaries.. muhah bought a dozen of pen.. sweat.gif
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To be honest, Haya.

Don't have to be so critical lar, I've seen worse.
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To be honest, Haya.

Don't have to be so critical lar, I've seen worse.
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Yes, but must we drop down to their level? Goddammit, we all are going to their country, as a guest.

The thing is, when I go to China, the locals expect me to know Mandarin, to live, to work and get around there. If I go to Japan, even being in Tokyo, English doesn't get you very far. And there are few translation services around. Fair enough. It is their country after all.

While in NZ they treat non-local language speakers relatively well compared to the 2 countries I've mentioned. Can't read your bill? Call for a translation. Cant understand council letter? Call for a translation. And yet, I see these Mainland Chinese come to NZ, send their kids to learn Mandarin. If you treasure your damned Chinese culture/language so much, why come to NZ when you can't adapt to us? We are forced to adapt to your language and culture when we go there!

God, I sound like a redneck typing this out.
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stay cool, haya. sometimes, they just want their kids don't lose the root becoz they know thier kid will learn english at school and msotly, english will be thier first languauge. However, mandarin is another important skill to make them more competitive in future, I mostly will send my kid to learn mandarin as well (tuition).

I check the seek.co.nz and the house is darn expensive in auckland. I am thinking to go to welly since the paid is higher there and house is cheaper, but i heard it is too windy and thus wind chill ur a$$ up to neck. Is welly that bad if compare to auckland?

Regarding the kiwi accent, I believe when u r there, u will learn it eventually if you remember the story the captain asked, "You come today?" and the soilder replied "I came to die". tongue.gif ....or I want to bank in my "cheek" biggrin.gif "Can I have tomato source pls?" Mcdonald (USA - Kansas) replied, "sorry, we don't sell tomato source here" <She want ketchup instead>
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QUOTE(haya @ Jan 31 2008, 07:56 AM)
Yes, but must we drop down to their level? Goddammit, we all are going to their country, as a guest.

The thing is, when I go to China, the locals expect me to know Mandarin, to live, to work and get around there. If I go to Japan, even being in Tokyo, English doesn't get you very far. And there are few translation services around. Fair enough. It is their country after all.

While in NZ they treat non-local language speakers relatively well compared to the 2 countries I've mentioned. Can't read your bill? Call for a translation. Cant understand council letter? Call for a translation. And yet, I see these Mainland Chinese come to NZ, send their kids to learn Mandarin. If you treasure your damned Chinese culture/language so much, why come to NZ when you can't adapt to us? We are forced to adapt to your language and culture when we go there!

God, I sound like a redneck typing this out.
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The same is said to a few mates of mine, not to say that they are totally ignorant when it comes to English, but they never make any effort to improve despite heading to English speaking countries but instead working hard to improve their Chinese just because they are Chinese.

But seriously, I've seen worse....hahahaha
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Haya,
Chinese lessons are fine... provided they speak English as well. Like if I live here in the future and have kids, I will send them for Chinese lessons. But speaking English won't be a problem for them...

Anyway, yes I agree. Chinese, Koreans etc should really go out and learn English if they want to live here. I think it's disgraceful that some people have lived here for 15+ years and can barely string a sentence of English together. One of these people is my friend's mother - and she's Malaysian.

But I am against Kiwis who swear at people and yell at them just because they're speaking their native tongue to each other. If I'm talking to another Chinese, I can damm well speak Chinese to them. I won't do it if there's a non-Chinese speaker in the group cos that is plain rude (another gripe) but I don't see why I have to accommodate total strangers on the road who happen to walk by and hear us talking.

Huix,
Yes, Auckland house prices are sky-high (though sliding a little these days). Welly's ok but the pay isn't necessarily higher. It's very very very windy, even a hot summer's day can be quite cold thanks to the wind. I've never been there in winter but I bet it's worse. Definitely colder than Auckland.

I personally found Welly to be a pretty drab, depressing city. That's just me, there're others who love it.

Try the South Island if you want cheap.


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Haya,
Chinese lessons are fine... provided they speak English as well. Like if I live here in the future and have kids, I will send them for Chinese lessons. But speaking English won't be a problem for them...

Anyway, yes I agree. Chinese, Koreans etc should really go out and learn English if they want to live here. I think it's disgraceful that some people have lived here for 15+ years and can barely string a sentence of English together. One of these people is my friend's mother - and she's Malaysian.

But I am against Kiwis who swear at people and yell at them just because they're speaking their native tongue to each other. If I'm talking to another Chinese, I can damm well speak Chinese to them. I won't do it if there's a non-Chinese speaker in the group cos that is plain rude (another gripe) but I don't see why I have to accommodate total strangers on the road who happen to walk by and hear us talking.

Huix,
Yes, Auckland house prices are sky-high (though sliding a little these days). Welly's ok but the pay isn't necessarily higher. It's very very very windy, even a hot summer's day can be quite cold thanks to the wind. I've never been there in winter but I bet it's worse. Definitely colder than Auckland.

I personally found Welly to be a pretty drab, depressing city. That's just me, there're others who love it.

Try the South Island if you want cheap.
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ehm ehm..

i'm planning to take chinese class there in canter, but damn, the class damn packed sweat.gif

at the moment, drafting my subjects, got to take 8 subjects for my 1st year.. doh.gif rclxub.gif
and also, quite hard to avoid clashes between class.. cool.gif
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I have a feeling that you have a strong Chinese foundation, arh...what the heck, most China Chinese take Chinese as an elective despite having such strong foundation.
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I have a feeling that you have a strong Chinese foundation, arh...what the heck, most China Chinese take Chinese as an elective despite having such strong foundation.
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So that they can get higher grades for that subject? biggrin.gif



Btw, if they keep on living in their own pack, I have no problem with it. If they don't want to improve thier english, I have no problem for that either. After all, they lose their competitiveness in job market if they forever live under thier own circle in NZ.

what i don't like about some extremist keep saying how good china is and how strong they are.... but why I see so many mainland chinese coming out form that country? Why keep on talking about attacking taiwan or attacking others becoz they have strong military force? wht makes them different from the japanese grasshopper army during WW2? dont they realize that the moment they start attacking others, they will kiss their a$$ good bye to their strong economy?


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Thks for the info. wow! never think welly is that bad.... that explain why many people choose auckland indeed. Just my research told me that welly house is cheaper and the paid is slightly higher than auckland. (at least, in IT)
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Feb 1 2008, 12:31 AM)
I have a feeling that you have a strong Chinese foundation, arh...what the heck, most China Chinese take Chinese as an elective despite having such strong foundation.
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QUOTE(huix @ Feb 1 2008, 02:14 PM)
So that they can get higher grades for that subject? biggrin.gif
Btw, if they keep on living in their own pack, I have no problem with it. If they don't want to improve thier english, I have no problem for that either. After all, they lose their competitiveness in job market if they forever live under thier own circle in NZ.

what i don't like about some extremist keep saying how good china is and how strong they are.... but why I see so many mainland chinese coming out form that country? Why keep on talking about attacking taiwan or attacking others becoz they have strong military force? wht makes them different from the japanese grasshopper army during WW2? dont they realize that the moment they start attacking others, they will kiss their a$$ good bye to their strong economy?
Wornbook,
Thks for the info. wow! never think welly is that bad.... that explain why many people choose auckland indeed. Just my research told me that welly house is cheaper and the paid is slightly higher than auckland. (at least, in IT)
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i need to brush up my english, especially informal conversation outside..if in class, ok laa.. i can present infront..

btw.. i want to take chinese for the sake of knowledge..just want to learn 3rd languange..
rite now thinking french, germany, or japan sweat.gif
knowing that outside, languange class quite expensive.. huhu since i got schola.. so,, why dont.. sweat.gif


anyone in canter??
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QUOTE(huix @ Feb 1 2008, 02:14 PM)
Wornbook,
Thks for the info. wow! never think welly is that bad.... that explain why many people choose auckland indeed. Just my research told me that welly house is cheaper and the paid is slightly higher than auckland. (at least, in IT)
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You're welcome. Don't get me wrong... It isn't that bad. Like I said, many people love it. I think a lot of people pick Auckland simply because it's the biggest city so there's a bigger job market and greater ethnic diversity (though there's no lack of Malaysian food in Wellington smile.gif).

Houses and rent are definitely cheaper in Wellington. As for the pay - since you've done the research, I'll take your word for it. I can't say I've done any comprehensive research, and my knowledge is limited to general observations of my field (law) and general fields.

I'll say - go wherever you can find a job. tongue.gif


Added on February 1, 2008, 5:28 pmAs for Chinese taking Chinese as a subject - it's a relatively common phenomenon. Who won't want a free A+? The unis are supposed to regulate against that. At least mine did - if you were educated in a Chinese language environment, you're barred from taking Chinese. But it's hard to enforce... too many loopholes. For example, Malaysians aren't typically considered to be Chinese educated (they don't check primary school records). Another tricky group is people from Hong Kong - they read and write but speak Cantonese instead of Mandarin. They can easily claim that their aim is to learn Mandarin. And then there's the Chinese who grew up here, speak Mandarin fluently but are barely literate.

The uni can't bar ALL people of Chinese ethnicity from taking the subject...

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hie all..
so many students coming to nz this year?! Wow!
Anyways,am at Otago uni, so if anyone going there drop me a message and maybe can meet up! Actually my family is in Auckland but am studying at otago.
Do join the malaysian society when ur in uni, bersatu games are held every year and if am not mistaken this year its at wellington.
Do drop me a line would love to help any of you,after all we are from the same country!
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Oh well, wornbook, you almost made me regret choosing Vic, but anyhow....it's me decision by the way, hahahaha

I'm taking Spanish by the way, thought about changing it to French or Japanese
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Oh well, wornbook, you almost made me regret choosing Vic, but anyhow....it's me decision by the way, hahahaha

I'm taking Spanish by the way, thought about changing it to French or Japanese
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can change subject rite within period.. if not mistaken 2 weeks..



ridinghood, are u in vic?? the class already started eyh.

wait.. i'm not Chinese... so,, i can take Chinese class rite.. anything wrong with that?
ehmm whatever it is.. i cant.. the class gonna be damn pack.. clash with my major subject and my lab.. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif guess have to take language class after my grad la like that.. hua hua rclxub.gif

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hie all..
so many students coming to nz this year?! Wow!
Anyways,am at Otago uni, so if anyone going there drop me a message and maybe can meet up! Actually my family is in Auckland but am studying at otago.
Do join the malaysian society when ur in uni, bersatu games are held every year and if am not mistaken this year its at wellington.
Do drop me a line would love to help any of you,after all we are from the same country!
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I am not going to NZ as a student but PR visa, still need to find a job. mny agents advertised in seek.co.nz just inform me that let them know when i m in nz and they will help me to get a position, they don't usually give a damn with oversea applicants (of course, in very polite way hehehe)
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Feb 1 2008, 06:31 PM)
can change subject rite within period.. if not mistaken 2 weeks..
ridinghood, are u in vic?? the class already started eyh.

wait.. i'm not Chinese... so,, i can take Chinese class rite.. anything wrong with that?
ehmm whatever it is.. i cant.. the class gonna be damn pack.. clash with my major subject and my lab..  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  guess have to take language class after my grad la like that.. hua hua  rclxub.gif
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Not yet, will start in a few weeks.

Oh well, I didn't say that it's wrong, I was just assuming that you have a strong Chinese foundation.

My assumption is wrong then

Sorry
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You're welcome. Don't get me wrong... It isn't that bad. Like I said, many people love it. I think a lot of people pick Auckland simply because it's the biggest city so there's a bigger job market and greater ethnic diversity (though there's no lack of Malaysian food in Wellington smile.gif).

Houses and rent are definitely cheaper in Wellington. As for the pay - since you've done the research, I'll take your word for it. I can't say I've done any comprehensive research, and my knowledge is limited to general observations of my field (law) and general fields.

I'll say - go wherever you can find a job.  tongue.gif


Added on February 1, 2008, 5:28 pmAs for Chinese taking Chinese as a subject - it's a relatively common phenomenon. Who won't want a free A+? The unis are supposed to regulate against that. At least mine did - if you were educated in a Chinese language environment, you're barred from taking Chinese. But it's hard to enforce... too many loopholes. For example, Malaysians aren't typically considered to be Chinese educated (they don't check primary school records). Another tricky group is people from Hong Kong - they read and write but speak Cantonese instead of Mandarin. They can easily claim that their aim is to learn Mandarin. And then there's the Chinese who grew up here, speak Mandarin fluently but are barely literate.

The uni can't bar ALL people of Chinese ethnicity from taking the subject...
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Just my opinion that the university shouldn't restrict student choices unless the class required pre-requisi classes. Why stop them if they want to take some classes and have confidence to get A1. Elective is to learn some extra skills for their future expenditure. If they choose to learn something that they know already becoz of the A1, let them be. It is their choices. However, I would rather choose spanish becoz I believe that would benefit me more since I already knew mandarin.
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QUOTE(huix @ Feb 1 2008, 11:52 PM)
I am not going to NZ as a student but PR visa, still need to find a job. mny agents advertised in seek.co.nz just inform me that let them know when i m in nz and they will help me to get a position, they don't usually give a damn with oversea applicants (of course, in very polite way hehehe)
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Hie,
am at NZ as a PR as well.. wink.gif if your a student go student job search (SJS),seek and the others are more towards people who are looking for long term and graduated. Pay is higher on sjs,and much more practical rather then the std rate. one thin with jib on sjs is that they don't need experience one,although exceptional for one or two that needs la..but othet then that no need experience,cause we are all students! Jobs at sjs normally dnt need interview,but they just wanna see u la.. jobs are easy to get but depending on with city ur in! Auckland pays more but not sure if Dunedin does.
Which part of NZ u cming to?!
And oh another thing,after u graduate if u want to find a job here, no matter if u get a masters or bachelors degree if you have got more experience.. u'll get the job!! I met a m'sian who has got a double degree and is working at ASB bank, just as a personal banker while her supervisor who has got nothing but experience and working longer at the bank has a higer position!
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If am not mistaken,one can take chinese but must show the previous qualification,and if its good then they are able to skip a few levels. I did chinese in High School and am a chinese.. wink.gif
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Oh well, wornbook, you almost made me regret choosing Vic, but anyhow....it's me decision by the way, hahahaha
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Please don't regret just because of what I said. Be happy and have confidence in your own decision. Everyone is different after all. Have a great time in Vic.

QUOTE(huix @ Feb 1 2008, 06:52 PM)
I am not going to NZ as a student but PR visa, still need to find a job. mny agents advertised in seek.co.nz just inform me that let them know when i m in nz and they will help me to get a position, they don't usually give a damn with oversea applicants (of course, in very polite way hehehe)
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As tip - when you send in your CV, just put 'NZ Permanent Resident' on it. Just so they don't get confused and put your application in the 'discard' pile cos it's too much of a bother.

QUOTE(huix @ Feb 1 2008, 10:14 PM)
Just my opinion that the university shouldn't restrict student choices unless the class required pre-requisi classes. Why stop them if they want to take some classes and have confidence to get A1. Elective is to learn some extra skills for their future expenditure. If they choose to learn something that they know already becoz of the A1, let them be. It is their choices. However, I would rather choose spanish becoz I believe that would benefit me more since I already knew mandarin.
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Well, it's not fair to other students who have to work for whatever grades they get. Remember that these free A+s affect the final grade average/GPA. Also, sometimes averages also count for admission to limited entry courses or honours programmes. So it basically amounts to cheating.


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Hie,
am at NZ as a PR as well.. wink.gif if your a student go student job search (SJS),seek and the others are more towards people who are looking for long term and graduated. Pay is higher on sjs,and much more practical rather then the std rate. one thin with jib on sjs is that they don't need experience one,although exceptional for one or two that needs la..but othet then that no need experience,cause we are all students! Jobs at sjs normally dnt need interview,but they just wanna see u la.. jobs are easy to get but depending on with city ur in! Auckland pays more but not sure if Dunedin does.
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He's not coming as a student so why would he bother with the lowly paid and low skilled jobs on SJS?

Btw Huix, have you thought of trying recruitment agencies?

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But I am against Kiwis who swear at people and yell at them just because they're speaking their native tongue to each other.
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That's usually when they're speaking their native tongue way too loudly. When foreigners speak too loudly, it's very irritating. Applies to any country. smile.gif
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Feb 2 2008, 03:53 PM)
Please don't regret just because of what I said. Be happy and have confidence in your own decision. Everyone is different after all. Have a great time in Vic.
As tip - when you send in your CV, just put 'NZ Permanent Resident' on it. Just so they don't get confused and put your application in the 'discard' pile cos it's too much of a bother.
Well, it's not fair to other students who have to work for whatever grades they get. Remember that these free A+s affect the final grade average/GPA. Also, sometimes averages also count for admission to limited entry courses or honours programmes. So it basically amounts to cheating.


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He's not coming as a student so why would he bother with the lowly paid and low skilled jobs on SJS?

Btw Huix, have you thought of trying recruitment agencies?
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Hi wornbook,

I have been in software industry 10 years+ and currently a IT manager in both application and infrastructure now. I am currently discussing with an international bank as a technical lead job. (since i strongly believe i can get a job easier as technical lead in NZ) If I get this job, I mostly will stay for another 2-3 years in KL since I still have 3.5 years period to start actually staying in NZ. (of course, i gotta fly to NZ by the end of this year to renew the visa though, lucky airasia X + airNZ make it cheaper for my 4 pax flight hehe)

I won't mind if I am working as recruitment agencies there tho.
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That's usually when they're speaking their native tongue way too loudly. When foreigners speak too loudly, it's very irritating. Applies to any country.  smile.gif
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Not necessarily. Even if they are, it does not justify swearing at them (after all, speaking English way too loudly is just as annoying). Some people are just bigots.

QUOTE(huix @ Feb 3 2008, 09:56 AM)
Hi wornbook,

I have been in software industry 10 years+ and currently a IT manager in both application and infrastructure now. I am currently discussing with an international bank as a technical lead job. (since i strongly believe i can get a job easier as technical lead in NZ) If I get this job, I mostly will stay for another 2-3 years in KL since I still have 3.5 years period  to start actually staying in NZ. (of course, i gotta fly to NZ by the end of this year to renew the visa though, lucky airasia X + airNZ make it cheaper for my 4 pax flight hehe)

I won't mind if I am working as recruitment agencies there tho.
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I really meant contacting recruitment agencies so they can help you find a job. But no matter.

All the best with securing that job. From what I understand, transferring from one country to another within the same company is much better than starting afresh. At least you'll generally be at the same level if not a higher one. Many people who start afresh have had to downgrade. At least, that has been the experience of people I know.
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I didn't feel irritating when people around me saying something I don't understand. Some masaleh also speak thier native language which I don't understand and I didn't feel offended.
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izit cost a lot to study in NZ?...izit many of u get scholarship to study there or parents afford?
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hie,
not sure how true but i heard if you would to get a job from the agency they actually take a bit of your pay as a service fees for the agency (recruitment) and at times when they do not have job you'll be jobless for a while.
Btw,Try trade me,there's a lot of jobs there, a few recruitment agencies also advertise there..
Try work and income,i saw a lot of ppl there looking for jobs as well and they do print out the jobs for u to choose... if u know what i mean.. wink.gif
All the best!
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da7n.. my luggage just half filled..
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izit cost a lot to study in NZ?...izit many of u get scholarship to study there or parents afford?
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take loan .
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da7n.. my luggage just half filled..
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not packing until last day. tongue.gif

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Just out of curiosity, loan from where, EmperorMeng?
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yay.. it's today. rclxm9.gif

see u there nz.. biggrin.gif


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Just out of curiosity, loan from where, EmperorMeng?
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NZ gov. for PR & citizenz
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then you are NOT an international fees paying student, but a home student........completely different ballgame......
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And if you are eligible to take out loan, take out the maximum and pay back as slowly as possible. Put the rest in the bank and earn interest. Though National will change things when they come in later this year.


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yay.. it's today.  rclxm9.gif

see u there nz.. biggrin.gif


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Which city are you in?

Cold enough for you yet?

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UOC, canterbury uni..
Christchurch.

sejuk gile woo...

the omputih so rilek mehh,, wear short pants, especially the girls..
how come they can tahan.. haha
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UOC, canterbury uni..
Christchurch.

sejuk gile woo...

the omputih so rilek mehh,, wear short pants, especially the girls..
how come they can tahan.. haha
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They're used to it. By the end of the year you will be too.
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UOC, canterbury uni..
Christchurch.

sejuk gile woo...

the omputih so rilek mehh,, wear short pants, especially the girls..
how come they can tahan.. haha
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Welcome to NZ! Even in winter some of them wear shorts to go out!
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really cold here, never thought that 18 degree Celsius would be this cold.
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really cold here, never thought that 18 degree Celsius would be this cold.
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Funny to hear you guys talk about the cold. It's blazing hot over here in Auckland.
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Funny to hear you guys talk about the cold. It's blazing hot over here in Auckland.
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lucky la panas there.. damn lazy to mandi.... sweat.gif

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weck. shush shush tempat panas.. hehhee just kidding..

lucky la panas there.. damn lazy to mandi.... sweat.gif

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If it makes you feel better, it's raining today. Not cold though.

But I suspect that's relative. I did spend 4 years in Dunedin after all.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 1 2008, 05:44 AM)
If it makes you feel better, it's raining today. Not cold though.

But I suspect that's relative. I did spend 4 years in Dunedin after all.
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yeap.. it's raining since last nite... lg tambah sejuk.. huuh my mouth ade asap.. hahah dunno the correct word..

ehmm anyone on their way to nz ???
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QUOTE(haya @ Feb 27 2008, 01:02 PM)
Completely different circumstances to what most of us Malaysian International students face.
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Its not so much the temp but more of the wind chill factor.
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Funny to hear you guys talk about the cold. It's blazing hot over here in Auckland.
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yeap.. it's raining since last nite... lg tambah sejuk.. huuh my mouth ade asap.. hahah dunno the correct word..
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Its called Vapor.

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shit arse cold today, only about 15 Celsius, at now is already 10

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freaking hot here in Auckland. best way to keep warm ---> drink more booze...
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shit arse cold today, only about 15 Celsius, at now is already 10
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freaking hot here in Auckland. best way to keep warm ---> drink more booze...
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Where was the heat when I wanted it in Auckland, and the cold wind when I was in Christchurch?

On another note, who here is using ihug? I just need to know a few things.

Other than Xtra, is anyone here on another ISP?
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Where was the heat when I wanted it in Auckland, and the cold wind when I was in Christchurch?

On another note, who here is using ihug? I just need to know a few things.

Other than Xtra, is anyone here on another ISP?
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I used ihug about 3 years ago. Not sure if I can help.

Btw, ihug is being absorbed into Vodafone this year.
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I used ihug about 3 years ago. Not sure if I can help.

Btw, ihug is being absorbed into Vodafone this year.
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Vodafone has bought over ihug, ever since the old parent company of iinet let go of ihug.

The reason I'm asking is that ihug has a $50/month fair use plan. When you do the maths, that gives you 20GB of data a month, as long as you don't use more than 2GB a day. Even if you don't bundle, $60/month isnt that bad for 2GB of data a day.

Anyone tried it? I can still remember Xtra's disastrous "unlimited" plan.
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QUOTE(haya @ Mar 4 2008, 12:33 PM)
Vodafone has bought over ihug, ever since the old parent company of iinet let go of ihug.

The reason I'm asking is that ihug has a $50/month fair use plan. When you do the maths, that gives you 20GB of data a month, as long as you don't use more than 2GB a day. Even if you don't bundle, $60/month isnt that bad for 2GB of data  a day.

Anyone tried it? I can still remember Xtra's disastrous "unlimited" plan.

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any1 ...i need some advice here.
if im an acca graduate, what can i do in new zealand? can i further my studies or maybe getting a job there?
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QUOTE(haya @ Mar 4 2008, 12:33 PM)
Vodafone has bought over ihug, ever since the old parent company of iinet let go of ihug.

The reason I'm asking is that ihug has a $50/month fair use plan. When you do the maths, that gives you 20GB of data a month, as long as you don't use more than 2GB a day. Even if you don't bundle, $60/month isnt that bad for 2GB of data  a day.

Anyone tried it? I can still remember Xtra's disastrous "unlimited" plan.
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Yeah I know about Vodafone. The ihug label/brand is going to disappear this year. Vodafone will take over.

I didn't quite like my experience with ihug. Found the speed very slow and it got 'clogged up' quite often. The idea sounds good though.

Why are you interested?

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i heard the houses there are not insulated, is it true? how much to buy 1 and then insulate it?
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i heard the houses there are not insulated, is it true? how much to buy 1 and then insulate it?
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Depends. Few houses are totally insulated. Usually its only the bedroom walls that are insulated from the cold, and even then such rooms in most houses aren't that many. Especially if you have a older house. There are also different types of insulation, such as heat insulation, sound insulation (coz their houses are made out of cardboard) etc.

As with regards on how much a house is, it all depends on where you are, how big it is, the location, etc. And how much is it going to cost to insulate the whole house? A LOT.

As for ihug, I was just wondering if anyone was using the said plan. It sounds like a interesting and value for money, and since all HP's are pretty much Vodafone anyway, it might be worth bundling with soon-to-be-vodafone. Just wonder how good is it, how stable is the network, and experience in general.
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i heard the houses there are not insulated, is it true? how much to buy 1 and then insulate it?
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Like Haya said, most houses are not insulated especially the older ones. The newer 'insulated' ones aren't much better - just some insulation around the outer walls (fat lot of good that does considering the number of windows they have) and roof. Most windows aren't double-glazed as well so lots of heat escapes that way.

How much would it cost to insulate? A LOT, cos it entails ripping out walls and roofs. This is in a country where even changing a tap is expensive.

Btw, central heating is very uncommon in NZ. They're pretty backward in the heating and stay-warm department. Lots of people from colder climates in Europe/North America have complained that they've never felt so cold indoors in their lives.

Another thing to watch out for is damp. Very common and troublesome in winter, especially in the older houses. A dehumidifier generally takes care of that problem. Or you could always get a heat-pump (expensive) which effectively heats up the place and keeps it dry.

QUOTE(haya)
There are also different types of insulation, such as heat insulation, sound insulation (coz their houses are made out of cardboard) etc.

There's Pink Batts which does both the heat and sound insulation job. Their tagline is "warm, dry, quiet".
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my next plan is take my master in nz. i love that country which are peaceful, is the best place for studying i think. so pls give me some idea which uni are the best for commerce? thxxxxx
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Commerce, I am not defending VIC just because I study here, but according to some source, not too reliable and a few agents, VIC is one of the better school for commerce studies
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man.. my face hurts...
maybe becoz the dry weather here..

1st week arrive here, my lips cracked, bleeding somemore.. now, ok
2nd week, my hands dry. now my face.. how eyh???

i've stopped using facial i brought from malaysia.. "nivea that prevents oil sweat.gif" i know i hope its gonna make difference..

must i use moisturizer or something ??? like baby johson ??? sweat.gif


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moisturizer, sun block and lip balm are recommended, but I don't use moisturizer though
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man.. my face hurts...
maybe becoz the dry weather here..

1st week arrive here, my lips cracked, bleeding somemore.. now, ok
2nd week, my hands dry. now my face.. how eyh???

i've stopped using facial i brought from malaysia.. "nivea that prevents oil sweat.gif" i know i hope its gonna make difference..

must i use moisturizer or something ??? like baby johson ??? sweat.gif
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Yes, moisturizer and lip balm are essential. Change your facial wash. Use something that does not dry the skin.
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 10 2008, 11:26 AM)
man.. my face hurts...
maybe becoz the dry weather here..

1st week arrive here, my lips cracked, bleeding somemore.. now, ok
2nd week, my hands dry. now my face.. how eyh???

i've stopped using facial i brought from malaysia.. "nivea that prevents oil sweat.gif" i know i hope its gonna make difference..

must i use moisturizer or something ??? like baby johson ??? sweat.gif
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Something I find very effective and cheap for lips is Vaseline Petroleum Jelly. Maybe a little messy.

For skin, use soap that has 50% moisturizer. Name of that particular brand escapes me at the moment, but its everywhere in supermarkets.
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Hi, all.
Hey, do anyone know architecture students in New Zealand?
mind to introduce to me? I am thinking of transfering to university in NZ.
I don't really like much about my life here in Singapore.
Therefore, I just want to understand their life in NZ and make some comparison. I mean those Architecture stuendts' life. Thinkinf of knowing their system of teaching Architecture as well.

Have a nice day~

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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 5 2008, 08:43 AM)
Like Haya said, most houses are not insulated especially the older ones. The newer 'insulated' ones aren't much better - just some insulation around the outer walls (fat lot of good that does considering the number of windows they have) and roof. Most windows aren't double-glazed as well so lots of heat escapes that way.

How much would it cost to insulate? A LOT, cos it entails ripping out walls and roofs. This is in a country where even changing a tap is expensive.

Btw, central heating is very uncommon in NZ. They're pretty backward in the heating and stay-warm department. Lots of people from colder climates in Europe/North America have complained that they've never felt so cold indoors in their lives.

Another thing to watch out for is damp. Very common and troublesome in winter, especially in the older houses. A dehumidifier generally takes care of that problem. Or you could always get a heat-pump (expensive) which effectively heats up the place and keeps it dry.

QUOTE(haya)
There are also different types of insulation, such as heat insulation, sound insulation (coz their houses are made out of cardboard) etc.

There's Pink Batts which does both the heat and sound insulation job. Their tagline is "warm, dry, quiet".
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Duh! Seems like NZ taxes. houses and insulation cost are crazy inbalance.... tongue.gif Even earn 6000 per month... 1500 go to income tax.... 10% housing loan... 300k - 400k per house.....living expenses.... that explain why not much ppl has $$$ to insulate the house lol May be it is time to learn some housework how to insulate heat b4 going there.
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There's Pink Batts which does both the heat and sound insulation job. Their tagline is "warm, dry, quiet".
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Duh! Seems like NZ taxes. houses and insulation cost are crazy inbalance.... tongue.gif Even earn 6000 per month... 1500 go to income tax.... 10% housing loan... 300k - 400k per house.....living expenses.... that explain why not much ppl has $$$ to insulate the house lol May be it is time to learn some housework how to insulate heat b4 going there.
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wutdo...? they like to tax so much.
so , make use of watever public service, thats all i can say.


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Something I find very effective and cheap for lips is Vaseline Petroleum Jelly. Maybe a little messy.

For skin, use soap that has 50% moisturizer. Name of that particular brand escapes me at the moment, but its everywhere in supermarkets.
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i use st.ives

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There's Pink Batts which does both the heat and sound insulation job. Their tagline is "warm, dry, quiet".
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Duh! Seems like NZ taxes. houses and insulation cost are crazy inbalance.... tongue.gif Even earn 6000 per month... 1500 go to income tax.... 10% housing loan... 300k - 400k per house.....living expenses.... that explain why not much ppl has $$$ to insulate the house lol May be it is time to learn some housework how to insulate heat b4 going there.
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true2
but sometime i found the price quite ridiculous.. sweat.gif

btw.. anyone knows where can but book online??
http://www.fishpond.co.nz/ << is this service reliable??
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oh my gosh..
this is really unbelievable..i just found out this forum and i've read through every pages and you guys gave lots of information about NZ.. rclxms.gif

well, hi to everyone!! haha! im new here and im going to NZ this April..
which about 3 to 4 weeks away.. i am an SPM leaver.
anyway,i was curious about something..i've got a scholarship (partial scholar) from International Pacific College (IPC),Palmerston North. (im not good as yours which in unis and evrythg) rolleyes.gif

so,this interview was being organize by Selset New Zealand Centre,at Subang Jaya. i've read on which page i dont remmber..but someone had mentioned about selset..i was thinking whether this agent (selset) is legal or not..because,last two days my teacher told me to seek the scholarship that i've been offered and the agent as well.y'know,nowadays..lots of thing happen..so i have to take precaution..like,being a spy..haha! icon_idea.gif

anyway, i do need your help..could i believe in selset..?
my dad was like worrying about this bcoz he has to let her daughter go..so he wants to make sure that i will be safe there.. tongue.gif


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i see that you are new in NZ..
how's that? is it nice there?
OMG, i want to pack my bag ASAP and go there..haha! laugh.gif
so, i would like to ask you something..
i'll be going there soon..so what should i bring..??
except my personal stuff,laptop,and all..
like really important thing..what will be that??
and i dont have to waste my money to buy clothes here,rite?
like what you guys had discussed before.. nod.gif

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 18 2008, 01:43 AM)
oh my gosh..
this is really unbelievable..i just found out this forum and i've read through every pages and you guys gave lots of information about NZ..  rclxms.gif

well, hi to everyone!! haha! im new here and im going to NZ this April..
which about 3 to 4 weeks away.. i am an SPM leaver.
anyway,i was curious about something..i've got a scholarship (partial scholar) from International Pacific College (IPC),Palmerston North. (im not good as yours which in unis and evrythg)  rolleyes.gif

so,this interview was being organize by Selset New Zealand Centre,at Subang Jaya. i've read on which page i dont remmber..but someone had mentioned about selset..i was thinking whether this agent (selset) is legal or not..because,last two days my teacher told me to seek the scholarship that i've been offered and the agent as well.y'know,nowadays..lots of thing happen..so i have to take precaution..like,being a spy..haha!  icon_idea.gif

anyway, i do need your help..could i believe in selset..?
my dad was like worrying about this bcoz he has to let her daughter go..so he wants to make sure that i will be safe there..    tongue.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 1:58 amhi fantagero..
i see that you are new in NZ..
how's that? is it nice there?
OMG, i want to pack my bag ASAP and go there..haha!  laugh.gif
so, i would like to ask you something..
i'll be going there soon..so what should i bring..??
except my personal stuff,laptop,and all..
like really important thing..what will be that??
and i dont have to waste my money to buy clothes here,rite?
like what you guys had discussed before..  nod.gif
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selset i think is reliable..
selset handles many Government Scholaship to nz mostly..
like JPA if i'm right, and also my scholar.
ask Carol Tham if u go to selset.. hahha she's kinnda bersemangat with us last time..

r u going to this college??
http://www.ipc.ac.nz/index.php ???

when r u gonna arrive here?? u r going to pammy eyh (Palmerston) ??
depends on weather.. like me, i arrived around summer.. so just bring thick cloth.. then for winter, just wait for discount here.. coz winter clotch gonna take space in ur luggage.. if u r into shopping,, bring lotsa money rclxms.gif
and if u r into cooking.. dont forget to bring perencah from msia. my group, they didnt bother about the perencah.. sweat.gif so. the girls brought over many perencah.. just for start if u have to cook by ur own self.. bcoz i'm muslim.. cant buy frozen food at the supermarket and also instant food..
bring also ur favourite stationaries. unless u got losta money.. haha
i brought a dozen of pen, eraser, ruler, pencil, pencil lead etc.. bcoz schola not that big cry.gif so hav to buy from msia if got the chance.. sweat.gif
regret didnt bring my paper file..
and also my Serway text book.. sweat.gif

huhu im new here in nz.. emperormeng and the others can explain more.. notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 18 2008, 01:43 AM)
oh my gosh..
this is really unbelievable..i just found out this forum and i've read through every pages and you guys gave lots of information about NZ..  rclxms.gif

well, hi to everyone!! haha! im new here and im going to NZ this April..
which about 3 to 4 weeks away.. i am an SPM leaver.
anyway,i was curious about something..i've got a scholarship (partial scholar) from International Pacific College (IPC),Palmerston North. (im not good as yours which in unis and evrythg)  rolleyes.gif

so,this interview was being organize by Selset New Zealand Centre,at Subang Jaya. i've read on which page i dont remmber..but someone had mentioned about selset..i was thinking whether this agent (selset) is legal or not..because,last two days my teacher told me to seek the scholarship that i've been offered and the agent as well.y'know,nowadays..lots of thing happen..so i have to take precaution..like,being a spy..haha!  icon_idea.gif
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If you're worried, how about contacting IPC directly. Surely they'll be able to tell you whether your have a guaranteed place on scholarship. If the College says yes, you're all set.
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 18 2008, 04:29 AM)
when r u gonna arrive here?? u r going to pammy eyh (Palmerston) ??
depends on weather.. like me, i arrived around summer.. so just bring thick cloth.. then for winter, just wait for discount here.. coz winter clotch gonna take space in ur luggage.. if u r into shopping,, bring lotsa money rclxms.gif
and if u r into cooking.. dont forget to bring perencah from msia. my group, they didnt bother about the perencah.. sweat.gif so. the girls brought over many perencah.. just for start  if u have to cook by ur own self.. bcoz i'm muslim.. cant buy frozen food at the supermarket and also instant food..
bring also ur favourite stationaries. unless u got losta money.. haha
i brought a dozen of pen, eraser, ruler, pencil, pencil lead etc.. bcoz schola not that big  cry.gif so hav to buy from msia if got the chance.. sweat.gif
regret didnt bring my paper file..
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As I've said in the past, I'm not a big fan of agents. But since you ended up with ascholarship (lucky you), the best way would be to get in touch with IPC directly. That information can be easily found on their webpage. IPC eh? You'll be next to Massey Uni (nice place), and from what I've heard, quite a bit of Japanese there.

<EdLiNa>, what are you studying?

While bringing perencah (spices) over might be a good idea, remember that NZ has strict quarantine laws, so dont be surprised if you cant bring in some stuff. And yes, if weight limit permitting, bring along the small stuff like pens, pencils, pencil lead, files etc frm M'sia, as they are a bit dearer in NZ thanks to the currency exchange. Don't bring over bulky stuff like paper through: its affordable here!


In other news, I've discovered the best way of staying warm(er) in Auckland: live in an apartment with 5 floors above you!

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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 18 2008, 04:29 AM)
selset i think is reliable..
selset handles many Government Scholaship to nz mostly..
like JPA if i'm right, and also my scholar.
ask Carol Tham if u go to selset.. hahha she's kinnda bersemangat with us last time..

r u going to this college??
http://www.ipc.ac.nz/index.php ???

when r u gonna arrive here?? u r going to pammy eyh (Palmerston) ??
depends on weather.. like me, i arrived around summer.. so just bring thick cloth.. then for winter, just wait for discount here.. coz winter clotch gonna take space in ur luggage.. if u r into shopping,, bring lotsa money rclxms.gif
and if u r into cooking.. dont forget to bring perencah from msia. my group, they didnt bother about the perencah.. sweat.gif so. the girls brought over many perencah.. just for start  if u have to cook by ur own self.. bcoz i'm muslim.. cant buy frozen food at the supermarket and also instant food..
bring also ur favourite stationaries. unless u got losta money.. haha
i brought a dozen of pen, eraser, ruler, pencil, pencil lead etc.. bcoz schola not that big  cry.gif so hav to buy from msia if got the chance.. sweat.gif
regret didnt bring my paper file..
and also my Serway text book.. sweat.gif

huhu im new here in nz.. emperormeng and the others can explain more.. notworthy.gif
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yeah..im with Carol Tham too.. i like her a lot..
and yup,im going to that IPC..aaahhh,waiting is sucks..i wanna go now! haha.
i just got called from Selset yesterday evening and they say that i got the scholarship.
but they are not confirm yet what is the actual day i'll be leaving..
from what i've read in IPC website..the orientation will be on 8th of April..
but last time, i went to see Michael at Selset, he told me that the person who will accompany us there will be going on 14th of April..but then,i asked Selset again yesterday..they will confirm it ASAP
now they are preparing my visas.. icon_rolleyes.gif
yay! im going there... yay! yahuuuuuuuuu.... rclxm9.gif

and yeah,im into shopping..but i think,when i arrive there,i have to control myself and set my budget..haha!
at IPC they serve meal..where we also have lots of dishes like msia,thai,sushi food..yummy! thumbup.gif
but im not sure whether its halal or not..im a muslim too.
i'll be stay in the residence cllge,but there is no kitchen or place to cook..
but,is it hard to find halal food outside?

uummm,and thanks for remind me the stationary..i'll prepare for a year stationary,,haha!


Added on March 18, 2008, 12:06 pm
QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 18 2008, 06:19 AM)
If you're worried, how about contacting IPC directly. Surely they'll be able to tell you whether your have a guaranteed place on scholarship. If the College says yes, you're all set.
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thanks a lot..yeah,my dad suggested that to me too..
i'll mail to them immediately to confirm it.. smile.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 12:16 pm
QUOTE(haya @ Mar 18 2008, 10:09 AM)
As I've said in the past, I'm not a big fan of agents. But since you ended up with ascholarship (lucky you), the best way would be to get in touch with IPC directly. That information can be easily found on their webpage. IPC eh? You'll be next to Massey Uni (nice place), and from what I've heard, quite a bit of Japanese there.

<EdLiNa>, what are you studying?

While bringing perencah (spices) over might be a good idea, remember that NZ has strict quarantine  laws, so dont be surprised if you cant bring in some stuff. And yes, if weight limit permitting, bring along the small stuff like pens, pencils, pencil lead, files etc frm M'sia, as they are a bit dearer in NZ thanks to the currency exchange. Don't bring over bulky stuff like paper through: its affordable here!
In other news, I've discovered the best way of staying warm(er) in Auckland: live in an apartment with 5 floors above you!
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haha! that s great..
im going to take English for my major..
will be a year in foundation but regarding the person who interviewed me,i can cut it to 6month only..
then take a degree for about 2 or 3 years..depends on my result then.
yah~ IPC is more to Japanese life you know..
bcoz the principal is from Japan, and they suggest us to take Japan..which i really love it!! rclxm9.gif
maybe if im doing good in my foundation year, i'll go to massey uni..
yes! i'll study really2 good this time...hmmmm

perencah aa?? i should think about it wisely..haha!
but is all the stuff there are expensive?
how about the clothes? is the price reasonable?
what do you suggest me to bring this April..? is it enough if i just bring 2 coat/sweater like really for this kind of weather..and others i just buy there..

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perencah aa?? i should think about it wisely..haha!
but is all the stuff there are expensive?
how about the clothes? is the price reasonable?
what do you suggest me to bring this April..? is it enough if i just bring 2 coat/sweater like really for this kind of weather..and others i just buy there..
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Not so much halal food outside. Mainly some turkish/middle eastern stuff. Most Malaysian food is not halal cos the places are owned/run by Chinese and Indians. There are a few halal ones but there's limited choice. I'm speaking for Auckland here, not sure how things are like in Palmy.

Perencah - if you intend to do cooking, bring some along. While NZ customs laws are strict, most of perencah will get through. I've said it before, as a rule of thumb, if you avoid bringing in meat, dairy products, fresh fruits and vegetables, you'll be fine.

Clothes - there's very limited choice in NZ and it's definitely not cheap. I recommend that you bring clothes from Malaysia. The only things you should buy here are warm clothing. Since you're coming in April, just bring a couple of sweaters and a jacket and you should be fine. Btw those sports windbreakers etc don't count as jackets but they are useful if waterproof.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 18 2008, 12:44 PM)
Not so much halal food outside. Mainly some turkish/middle eastern stuff. Most Malaysian food is not halal cos the places are owned/run by Chinese and Indians. There are a few halal ones but there's limited choice. I'm speaking for Auckland here, not sure how things are like in Palmy.

Perencah - if you intend to do cooking, bring some along. While NZ customs laws are strict, most of perencah will get through. I've said it before, as a rule of thumb, if you avoid bringing in meat, dairy products, fresh fruits and vegetables, you'll be fine. 

Clothes - there's very limited choice in NZ and it's definitely not cheap. I recommend that you bring clothes from Malaysia. The only things you should buy here are warm clothing. Since you're coming in April, just bring a couple of sweaters and a jacket and you should be fine. Btw those sports windbreakers etc don't count as jackets but they are useful if waterproof.
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FOOD = yay! so i have to bring lots of mee maggie..haha! rolleyes.gif
i'll discuss with my mother then about what to bring there..from what i know, there is a mini market nearby our residence..they have all the keropok and biscuits msia..like julies etc..i hope i can live with that..huu~

CLOTHES - new zealand is really windy huh? so how bout winter holiday? is thre lots of snow falling down (betul ke ayat ni??) i mean, we can make snow man and freezing like crazy..what is the temperature around Palmy during winter?

and, is there lots of Malay students study there? y'know..when it comes to Hari Raya..we can't go back home..
so just play the 'bunga api' together with the others student..haha! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 18 2008, 01:18 PM)
FOOD = yay! so i have to bring lots of mee maggie..haha!   rolleyes.gif
i'll discuss with my mother then about what to bring there..from what i know, there is a mini market nearby our residence..they have all the keropok and biscuits msia..like julies etc..i hope i can live with that..huu~

CLOTHES - new zealand is really windy huh? so how bout winter holiday? is thre lots of snow falling down (betul ke ayat ni??) i mean, we can make snow man and freezing like crazy..what is the temperature around Palmy during winter?

and, is there lots of Malay students study there? y'know..when it comes to Hari Raya..we can't go back home..
so just play the 'bunga api' together with the others student..haha!    biggrin.gif
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no need maggie la wei.. huuhh in msia eat maggi, in nz also want to eat maggie kaa..
i got many friends there including my seniors there...

like me in canter,u can still get halal meat.. i'm sure palmy got halal shop.. but for sure, it's pretty expensive compare to those in the supermarket..
in nz.. got several brand of instant me that's halal, like Fantastic and Indo mee..
dont grab Maggie brand here k.. coz maggie in nz not halal..
try practice eating frozen fish fillet.. coz i hvnt found yet halal chicken nugget,
burger jumpe laa. imported dr indonesia..

weather.. my 1st impression.. crazy weather.. huuhh sometime damn windy. sometime damn dry..
later continue.. huuh wanna take bath.. sweat.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 2:42 pm
QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 18 2008, 12:44 PM)
Not so much halal food outside. Mainly some turkish/middle eastern stuff. Most Malaysian food is not halal cos the places are owned/run by Chinese and Indians. There are a few halal ones but there's limited choice. I'm speaking for Auckland here, not sure how things are like in Palmy.

Perencah - if you intend to do cooking, bring some along. While NZ customs laws are strict, most of perencah will get through. I've said it before, as a rule of thumb, if you avoid bringing in meat, dairy products, fresh fruits and vegetables, you'll be fine. 

Clothes - there's very limited choice in NZ and it's definitely not cheap. I recommend that you bring clothes from Malaysia. The only things you should buy here are warm clothing. Since you're coming in April, just bring a couple of sweaters and a jacket and you should be fine. Btw those sports windbreakers etc don't count as jackets but they are useful if waterproof.
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if from chinese or indian.. just order those vege and seafood also can...

the info that i got, the perencah that are manufactured packed lepas the airport check..
last time my senior brought like 12kg of perencah from msia sweat.gif

but that's bcoz she return from malaysia.. if u first time like me.. sure cant bring that lot..

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 18 2008, 01:18 PM)
FOOD = yay! so i have to bring lots of mee maggie..haha!  rolleyes.gif
i'll discuss with my mother then about what to bring there..from what i know, there is a mini market nearby our residence..they have all the keropok and biscuits msia..like julies etc..i hope i can live with that..huu~

CLOTHES - new zealand is really windy huh? so how bout winter holiday? is thre lots of snow falling down (betul ke ayat ni??) i mean, we can make snow man and freezing like crazy..what is the temperature around Palmy during winter?
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Don't need to bring stuff like biscuits lah. Plenty over here.

It doesn't normally snow in Palmy or anywhere in the North Island (apart from the mountains).

There's quite a few Malay students in NZ... mostly on MARA or JPA scholarships. There's also a few Malay migrant families around.

QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 18 2008, 02:38 PM)
the info that i got, the perencah that are manufactured packed lepas the airport check..
last time my senior brought like 12kg of perencah from msia sweat.gif
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Speaking from experience, it's not just perencah that you can bring in. If you know what you're doing, there's plenty of food that they customs will let through.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 18 2008, 03:35 PM)
Don't need to bring stuff like biscuits lah. Plenty over here.

It doesn't normally snow in Palmy or anywhere in the North Island (apart from the mountains).

There's quite a few Malay students in NZ... mostly on MARA or JPA scholarships. There's also a few Malay migrant families around.
Speaking from experience, it's not just perencah that you can bring in. If you know what you're doing, there's plenty of food that they customs will let through.
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yeap.. true.. my friend also bring dadih.. dunno how lepas the check.. maybe too many people that day sweat.gif
dont forget ministry of education too.. and also private student.. my friend said, private quite a lot in massey..

bring paper file if u need em to organize ur note like me. dam7, forget to bring... now my notes sepah oredi..


Added on March 18, 2008, 5:01 pmbtw.. better learn how to cook simple dish that not required much perencah..
bcoz some ingridient u might not get in nz... not sure if got asian shop there.. like my place.. got asian shops run by malaysian... so. still can get basic stuff like sos cili life.. damn.. omputih tak suke makan cili.. but.. it's quite pricey.. what to do sweat.gif

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[quote=fantagero,Mar 18 2008, 02:38 PM]
no need maggie la wei.. huuhh in msia eat maggi, in nz also want to eat maggie kaa..
i got many friends there including my seniors there...

like me in canter,u can still get halal meat.. i'm sure palmy got halal shop.. but for sure, it's pretty expensive compare to those in the supermarket..
in nz.. got several brand of instant me that's halal, like Fantastic and Indo mee..
dont grab Maggie brand here k.. coz maggie in nz not halal..
try practice eating frozen fish fillet.. coz i hvnt found yet halal chicken nugget,
burger jumpe laa. imported dr indonesia..

weather.. my 1st impression.. crazy weather.. huuhh sometime damn windy. sometime damn dry..
later continue.. huuh wanna take bath.. sweat.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 2:42 pm

if from chinese or indian.. just order those vege and seafood also can...



nah~ i didnt eat maggie in msia, that s why i think mybe good to eat that in NZ..haha!
but instant food is not good for your health.. wink.gif

i can eat those frozen fish fillet..but,referring the chinese and indian restaraunt..
yah,we can eat seafood and vege stuff..but how bout 'kuali' that they used before (??)
maybe they using oil that we (muslim) cannot eat..
my oh my..we need to be really careful about our food you know.. hmm.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 6:10 pm[quote=wornbook,Mar 18 2008, 03:35 PM]
Don't need to bring stuff like biscuits lah. Plenty over here.

It doesn't normally snow in Palmy or anywhere in the North Island (apart from the mountains).

There's quite a few Malay students in NZ... mostly on MARA or JPA scholarships. There's also a few Malay migrant families around.
Speaking from experience, it's not just perencah that you can bring in. If you know what you're doing, there's plenty of food that they customs will let through.
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emm..then i have to bring some of my fave dishes..
i guess, i'll be a great chef over there! biggrin.gif

there is no snow in Palmy?? ahhhhh...better find some good place to make my first snowman..huhu laugh.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 6:28 pm[quote=fantagero,Mar 18 2008, 04:53 PM]
yeap.. true.. my friend also bring dadih.. dunno how lepas the check.. maybe too many people that day sweat.gif
dont forget ministry of education too.. and also private student.. my friend said, private quite a lot in massey..

bring paper file if u need em to organize ur note like me. dam7, forget to bring... now my notes sepah oredi..


Added on March 18, 2008, 5:01 pmbtw.. better learn how to cook simple dish that not required much perencah..
bcoz some ingridient u might not get in nz... not sure if got asian shop there.. like my place.. got asian shops run by malaysian... so. still can get basic stuff like sos cili life.. damn.. omputih tak suke makan cili.. but.. it's quite pricey.. what to do sweat.gif
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umm? what do you mean by private student??

paper file yah?? sure,i'll bring a bunch of that..haha! brows.gif
thanks anyway..

omputih tak suka makan cili yer?? i dont know that..

emm,how bout chocolate?? can we just eat choc there?
even it is w/out the gelatin (just like msia style-lah)
i mean,we can eat as many as we want..huahuahua rclxm9.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 6:30 pmman, NZ is really nice from you guys stories..
sounds really interesting..
quite challenging though..
go go! fer it!!

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 18 2008, 06:06 PM)
emm..then i have to bring some of my fave dishes..
i guess, i'll be a great chef over there!  biggrin.gif

there is no snow in Palmy?? ahhhhh...better find some good place to make my first snowman..huhu  laugh.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 6:28 pm
umm? what do you mean by private student??

paper file yah?? sure,i'll bring a bunch of that..haha!  brows.gif
thanks anyway..

omputih tak suka makan cili yer?? i dont know that..

emm,how bout chocolate?? can we just eat choc there?
even it is w/out the gelatin (just like msia style-lah)
i mean,we can eat as many as we want..huahuahua  rclxm9.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 6:30 pmman, NZ is really nice from you guys stories..
sounds really interesting..
quite challenging though..
go go! fer it!!
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yeap.. quite challenging.. uf u unsure about food, ask for vege food..

hopefully they gonna use vege oil too.. and please ask guide from any muslim society there too.. if dont hav at ur college,, try massey.. i'm sure they hav.. u must join them, or else, gonna end up sebat je ape nampak depan mata sweat.gif

private means, papa mama baya bil, u private too??

choc??
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how bout that?? can satisfy u?? but this in canter la.. got promotion.. tongue.gif

btw.. dont get fuzzy about emulsifier (471) or emulsifier (X)..

everytime buy food, make sure read the ingredient.. like gelatin if i'm right..
and like stok ayam, keropok chicken flavour.. all that not halal.. i like bluebird potato chips..
http://www.bluebird.co.nz/index.html
but just buy the vege flavour like onion, salted..

for snow. i'm new here.. heard from the senior, if wanna play snow.. go on vacation... biggrin.gif

many arab here... just main sebat about their food here.. idk either they dont know.. or they dont really care... depends on the person itself.. if u ready to consume it.. means u r ready for the consequence..

got some here just consume everything.. including beer sweat.gif

yeap.. seriously hav to learn cook if u r into it.. especially muslim.. coz it's gonna pretty easy for u..
try to learn simple dish.. advantage if u know how to cook western/.

try pasta.. huhu my 1st week in canter.. just ate pasta.. b specific,, experiment pasta sweat.gif
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yeap.. true.. my friend also bring dadih.. dunno how lepas the check.. maybe too many people that day sweat.gif
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What is dadih?
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 18 2008, 07:24 PM)
yeap.. quite challenging.. uf u unsure about food, ask for vege food..

hopefully they gonna use vege oil too.. and please ask guide from any muslim society there too.. if dont hav at ur college,, try massey.. i'm sure they hav.. u must join them, or else, gonna end up sebat je ape nampak depan mata sweat.gif

private means, papa mama baya bil, u private too??

choc??
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how bout that?? can satisfy u?? but this in canter la.. got promotion.. tongue.gif

btw.. dont get fuzzy about emulsifier (471) or emulsifier (X)..

everytime buy food, make sure read the ingredient.. like gelatin if i'm right..
and like stok ayam, keropok chicken flavour.. all that not halal.. i like bluebird potato chips..
http://www.bluebird.co.nz/index.html
but just buy the vege flavour like onion, salted..

for snow. i'm new here.. heard from the senior, if wanna play snow.. go on vacation... biggrin.gif

many arab here... just main sebat about their food here.. idk either they dont know.. or they dont really care... depends on the person itself.. if u ready to consume it.. means u r ready for the consequence..

got some here just consume everything.. including beer sweat.gif

yeap.. seriously hav to learn cook if u r into it.. especially muslim.. coz it's gonna pretty easy for u..
try to learn simple dish.. advantage if u know how to cook western/.

try pasta.. huhu my 1st week in canter.. just ate pasta.. b specific,, experiment pasta sweat.gif
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whooosshhh..cannot just sebat-lah..it will be our own flesh then..huhu!
yeah,then maybe i can join massey muslim society if they do have that..

and yes! mine is private college..but thank God..i went to New Zealand edu. fair and Carol Tham approached me.
she is the one who asked me to go for the scholarship interview from IPC..
so i just went up there..and the interviewers like me, and directly he told me, "i'll give you the scholarship!"
and i was like...."aaaaaaahhhhh,how lucky i am!"
but this is just partial scholar,they just pay for the tuition fees..
and i have to cover about RM40-50,000 for my foundation year..
thanks to the scholar anyway..i'll study hard to get the highest scholar..huahahaha! rclxms.gif

ohh..hahaha! what with that choc? is that yours? menunjuk sgt..haha!
wow that s cool..really need to read thoroughly on the ingredients..
heemmm..i think i've tried that bluebird keropok when i was in london..cool!
all the pasta and spaghetti, those are my fave..
and i can cook that too..yeh!! icon_rolleyes.gif
just prepare the money, then you can have a nice lunch..yummy! thumbup.gif

snow? vacation? will think about it then..haha!
need to prepare lots of money too..
money.money...money.. shocking.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 8:40 pm
QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 18 2008, 07:24 PM)
yeap.. quite challenging.. uf u unsure about food, ask for vege food..

hopefully they gonna use vege oil too.. and please ask guide from any muslim society there too.. if dont hav at ur college,, try massey.. i'm sure they hav.. u must join them, or else, gonna end up sebat je ape nampak depan mata sweat.gif

private means, papa mama baya bil, u private too??

choc??
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how bout that?? can satisfy u?? but this in canter la.. got promotion.. tongue.gif

btw.. dont get fuzzy about emulsifier (471) or emulsifier (X)..

everytime buy food, make sure read the ingredient.. like gelatin if i'm right..
and like stok ayam, keropok chicken flavour.. all that not halal.. i like bluebird potato chips..
http://www.bluebird.co.nz/index.html
but just buy the vege flavour like onion, salted..

for snow. i'm new here.. heard from the senior, if wanna play snow.. go on vacation... biggrin.gif

many arab here... just main sebat about their food here.. idk either they dont know.. or they dont really care... depends on the person itself.. if u ready to consume it.. means u r ready for the consequence..

got some here just consume everything.. including beer sweat.gif

yeap.. seriously hav to learn cook if u r into it.. especially muslim.. coz it's gonna pretty easy for u..
try to learn simple dish.. advantage if u know how to cook western/.

try pasta.. huhu my 1st week in canter.. just ate pasta.. b specific,, experiment pasta sweat.gif
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whooosshhh..cannot just sebat-lah..it will be our own flesh then..huhu!
yeah,then maybe i can join massey muslim society if they do have that..

and yes! mine is private college..but thank God..i went to New Zealand edu. fair and Carol Tham approached me.
she is the one who asked me to go for the scholarship interview from IPC..
so i just went up there..and the interviewers like me, and directly he told me, "i'll give you the scholarship!"
and i was like...."aaaaaaahhhhh,how lucky i am!"
but this is just partial scholar,they just pay for the tuition fees..
and i have to cover about RM40-50,000 for my foundation year..
thanks to the scholar anyway..i'll study hard to get the highest scholar..huahahaha! rclxms.gif

ohh..hahaha! what with that choc? is that yours? menunjuk sgt..haha!
wow that s cool..really need to read thoroughly on the ingredients..
heemmm..i think i've tried that bluebird keropok when i was in london..cool!
all the pasta and spaghetti, those are my fave..
and i can cook that too..yeh!! icon_rolleyes.gif
just prepare the money, then you can have a nice lunch..yummy! thumbup.gif

snow? vacation? will think about it then..haha!
need to prepare lots of money too..
money.money...money.. shocking.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 8:59 pm
QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 18 2008, 07:50 PM)
i hate NZ maggi cry.gif
no MSG .. so sad. kari flavour so sux.
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no MSG?? means, is not tasty like here in msia??
duhh~~ thanks a lot..
i dont need maggi there..


Added on March 18, 2008, 9:07 pm
QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 18 2008, 08:22 PM)
What is dadih?
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dadih is like a yoghurt, like a jelly too..
it have lots of flavour..
choc,strawberry,corn..

how to make dadih?
easy..you just need a creamer, jelly powder, water...
and the taste is so creamy and fantastic,bombastic! wallah~

thumbup.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 9:13 pmhey, new zealand is famous with their american football rite?
ALL BLACK?? yay!
where and when will be the game start?
huhu..im a big fan of football.

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Added on March 18, 2008, 8:40 pm
whooosshhh..cannot just sebat-lah..it will be our own flesh then..huhu!
yeah,then maybe i can join massey muslim society if they do have that..

and yes! mine is private college..but thank God..i went to New Zealand edu. fair and Carol Tham approached me.
she is the one who asked me to go for the scholarship interview from IPC..
so i just went up there..and the interviewers like me, and directly he told me, "i'll give you the scholarship!"
and i was like...."aaaaaaahhhhh,how lucky i am!"
but this is just partial scholar,they just pay for the tuition fees..
and i have to cover about RM40-50,000 for my foundation year..
thanks to the scholar anyway..i'll study hard to get the highest scholar..huahahaha!  rclxms.gif

ohh..hahaha! what with that choc? is that yours? menunjuk sgt..haha!
wow that s cool..really need to read thoroughly on the ingredients..
heemmm..i think i've tried that bluebird keropok when i was in london..cool!
all the pasta and spaghetti, those are my fave..
and i can cook that too..yeh!!  icon_rolleyes.gif
just prepare the money, then you can have a nice lunch..yummy!    thumbup.gif

snow? vacation? will think about it then..haha!
need to prepare lots of money too..
money.money...money..    shocking.gif



Added on March 18, 2008, 8:59 pm
no MSG?? means, is not tasty like here in msia??
duhh~~ thanks a lot..
i dont need maggi there..



Added on March 18, 2008, 9:07 pm
dadih is like a yoghurt, like a jelly too..
it have lots of flavour..
choc,strawberry,corn..

how to make dadih?
easy..you just need a creamer, jelly powder, water...
and the taste is so creamy and fantastic,bombastic! wallah~

thumbup.gif


Added on March 18, 2008, 9:13 pmhey, new zealand is famous with their american football rite?
ALL BLACK?? yay!
where and when will be the game start?
huhu..im a big fan of football.
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phailed.. not american football.. huhuh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football

lucky u r a girl sweat.gif


still need instant mee in stock.. just in case.. hehe

yeap.. that choc is mine .. i got like 3 more in fridge.. :sweat
trust me.. i eat em half row per day.. brows.gif
seems like u know cooking very well..
not gonna be big problem to you..

thinking bout money.. heheh try part time working.. sweat.gif
can get extra cash for extra shopping galore rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 18 2008, 08:37 PM)

Added on March 18, 2008, 9:07 pm
dadih is like a yoghurt, like a jelly too..
it have lots of flavour..
choc,strawberry,corn..

how to make dadih?
easy..you just need a creamer, jelly powder, water...
and the taste is so creamy and fantastic,bombastic! wallah~
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Ah right, if it's only made of creamer, jelly powder and water, it's not on the banned list and the customs will let it through. It wasn't a mistake or anything like that.

Like I said earlier, they allow lots of food into NZ. You just need to watch out for certain blacklisted stuff. The strict no-food through customs is a myth. I've brought all sorts of stuff in - fresh roti canai, satay kauh, Chinese New Year cookies, fresh pau (no meat), mooncake (no egg), fresh asam laksa noodles, and even fresh fish (but must be sea water) and fish ball.

Just declare everything and you'll be fine. Take my word for it.


Added on March 19, 2008, 6:43 am
QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 19 2008, 06:36 AM)
Ah right, if it's only made of creamer, jelly powder and water, it's not on the banned list and the customs will let it through. It wasn't a mistake or anything like that.

Like I said earlier, they allow lots of food into NZ. You just need to watch out for certain blacklisted stuff. The strict no-food through customs is a myth. I've brought all sorts of stuff in - fresh roti canai, satay kauh, Chinese New Year cookies, fresh pau (no meat), mooncake (no egg), fresh asam laksa noodles, and even fresh fish (but must be sea water) and fish ball.

Just declare everything and you'll be fine. Take my word for it.
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hey, new zealand is famous with their american football rite?
ALL BLACK?? yay!
where and when will be the game start?
huhu..im a big fan of football.

RUGBY pleas, not American football. Kiwis think American football is a game for wimps since they have all that protective padding and helmets.

The Super 14 (professional league across 3 countries - NA, Aus, S. Africa) has already started. When that ends, there's the NPC which is a local provincial tournament.

Aside from that, there's also rugby league. It's a sport very similar to rugby but with some different rules. NZ's Vodafone Warriors play in Australia's NRL.



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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 19 2008, 05:17 AM)
phailed.. not american football.. huhuh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football

lucky u r a girl sweat.gif
still need instant mee in stock.. just in case.. hehe

yeap.. that choc is mine .. i got like 3 more in fridge.. :sweat
trust me.. i eat em half row per day..  brows.gif
seems like u know cooking very well..
not gonna be big problem to you..

thinking bout money.. heheh try part time working.. sweat.gif
can get extra cash for extra shopping galore  rclxm9.gif
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hey,that doesn't good at all..
me,eat choc for everyday..lagi2 sekarang ni,im doing practical in my dad's office..
so,sometimes make me boring..choc will make my life purfecto..haha!
got lots of it in my drawer..thank God my body didnt get bigger with tht choc..

yeah,i know how to cook simple dishes..but, my college have prepare our meal everyday
and i dont think they have kitchen in the hostel..
plus,we must stay there until we graduate..cannot live outside..
unless,homestay..

emm..yeah..they do mention about part time job before..
but they didnt allow foundation students to do part time job..
but mybe in my 1st year of degree i'll take part time..
then can cover my college fees also..and SHOPPING! haha rclxm9.gif

so do you take part time there?
what kind of job?


Added on March 19, 2008, 1:50 pm
QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 19 2008, 06:36 AM)



Added on March 19, 2008, 6:43 am
RUGBY pleas, not American football. Kiwis think American football is a game for wimps since they have all that protective padding and helmets.

The Super 14 (professional league across 3 countries - NA, Aus, S. Africa) has already started. When that ends, there's the NPC which is a local provincial tournament.

Aside from that, there's also rugby league. It's a sport very similar to rugby but with some different rules. NZ's Vodafone Warriors play in Australia's NRL.
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is it rugby? not american football aa?
wait..really? emm..whatever..
i play american football before when i was in form 5 at my tuition centre, but w/out the protective ok..haha!

emm..im going to buy that ticket then.. huhu flex.gif

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 19 2008, 01:45 PM)
hey,that doesn't good at all..
me,eat choc for everyday..lagi2 sekarang ni,im doing practical in my dad's office..
so,sometimes make me boring..choc will make my life purfecto..haha!
got lots of it in my drawer..thank God my body didnt get bigger with tht choc..

yeah,i know how to cook simple dishes..but, my college have prepare our meal everyday
and i dont think they have kitchen in the hostel..
plus,we must stay there until we graduate..cannot live outside..
unless,homestay..

emm..yeah..they do mention about part time job before..
but they didnt allow foundation students to do part time job..
but mybe in my 1st year of degree i'll take part time..
then can cover my college fees also..and SHOPPING! haha  rclxm9.gif

so do you take part time there?
what kind of job?



Added on March 19, 2008, 1:50 pm
is it rugby? not american football aa?
wait..really? emm..whatever..
i play american football before when i was in form 5 at my tuition centre, but w/out the protective ok..haha!

emm..im going to buy that ticket then.. huhu  flex.gif
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ehm... u mean, u r catered eyh until u grad?? man... that's gonna be miserable.. plus, cant live outside somemore..
bcoz if catered, u must obey the eating time. so cant go out without limit..
but depends on ur preference.. i dont like my food control my life hahaha....
they prepare halal food there???

i'm not working yet.. to early.. i'm getting use to the classes time table first..
u can try http://www.sjs.co.nz/ biggrin.gif

if u wearing hijab/tudung,, bring a lot of em, and also brooch..

and also,, bring baju kebaya, or whatso ever baju kebangsaan for perempuan.. later if got function, can wear.. if male.. just bring one baju melayu enough.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 18 2008, 06:19 AM)
If you're worried, how about contacting IPC directly. Surely they'll be able to tell you whether your have a guaranteed place on scholarship. If the College says yes, you're all set.
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yay!! yay!! yay!! and YAYYY!!!!!!!!

i just got my offer letter from the IPC..
i mail them yesterday..and this morning i got a call from Selset..
they want to confirm it..
i'll be going to NZ around 6th of April..haha!
going there SOONNNN!!!!!!! rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif


Added on March 19, 2008, 2:04 pmwokeh...now i want to know something that really2 important..
about time..

let say, if in msia is 2pm, 19 march..then,how bout in NZ?


Added on March 19, 2008, 2:10 pm
QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 19 2008, 02:01 PM)
ehm... u mean, u r catered eyh until u grad?? man... that's gonna be miserable.. plus, cant live outside somemore..
bcoz if catered, u must obey the eating time. so cant go out without limit..
but depends on ur preference.. i dont like my food control my life hahaha....
they prepare halal food there???

i'm not working yet.. to early.. i'm getting use to the classes time table first..
u can try http://www.sjs.co.nz/ biggrin.gif

if u wearing hijab/tudung,, bring a lot of em, and also brooch..

and also,, bring baju kebaya, or whatso ever baju kebangsaan for perempuan.. later if got function, can wear.. if male.. just bring one baju melayu enough.. biggrin.gif
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uummm..i dont know if we have to be punctual on our eating time.
bcoz i've seen their pictures..they were like relax and enjoy their eatting without rushing..
they are many choices of food..it's like buffet type
like thailand,japan,even msia dishes..but im not sure whether it is halal or not..
if not, then i just eat sushi la..haha! tongue.gif

all the tudung,brooch and bj kurung is on my list..haha!
thanks to remind me..

hey,guy is simple..they dont have to wear diff bj melayu..coz x perasan pon..
but girls..yah~ at least 5 of baju kurung..haha biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 19 2008, 02:02 PM)
yay!! yay!! yay!! and YAYYY!!!!!!!!

i just got my offer letter from the IPC..
i mail them yesterday..and this morning i got a call from Selset..
they want to confirm it..
i'll be going to NZ  around 6th of April..haha!
going there SOONNNN!!!!!!!    rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif


Added on March 19, 2008, 2:04 pmwokeh...now i want to know something that really2 important..
about time..

let say, if in msia is 2pm, 19 march..then,how bout in NZ?


Added on March 19, 2008, 2:10 pm
uummm..i dont know if we have to be punctual on our eating time.
bcoz i've seen their pictures..they were like relax and enjoy their eatting without rushing..
they are many choices of food..it's like buffet type
like thailand,japan,even msia dishes..but im not sure whether it is halal or not..
if not, then i just eat sushi la..haha!  tongue.gif

all the tudung,brooch and bj kurung is on my list..haha!
thanks to remind me..

hey,guy is simple..they dont have to wear diff bj melayu..coz x perasan pon..
but girls..yah~ at least 5 of baju kurung..haha    biggrin.gif
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i bet in msia rite now is 2pm according to my post time stamp.. rite now.. is 712pm..

malaysia is gmt +8, nz ins + 12.. calculate ur self.. i phailed my math.. hahahha
owh really.. but u gonna be boring if the dish same over n onver again until u grad sweat.gif
good luck then.. no need that much baju kurung with kain.. damn windy here.. later kene tiup angin baru tau icon_rolleyes.gif .. if not mistaken,, the latest fashion is baju kurung with that seluar.. idk what's that call.. huuh sorry if wrong.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 19 2008, 02:14 PM)
idk what's that call.. huuh sorry if wrong.. sweat.gif
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its called fashion disaster.
please wear ur baju kurung with pride, its authentic beauty.

BTW, any places 2 buy guitar in city centre? new/second hand as long as makes sound.
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 19 2008, 03:37 PM)
its called fashion disaster.
please wear ur baju kurung with pride, its authentic beauty.

BTW, any places 2 buy guitar in city centre? new/second hand as long as makes sound.
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not really disaster actually..

if the weather not suitable.. cant get the pride..

last time got bbq.. this ah moi, her skirt terangkat kene tiup angin.. huuhuh.. her meal also drop, bcoz protecting her pride sweat.gif
she wore one suit tube... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 19 2008, 05:19 PM)
not really disaster actually..

if the weather not suitable.. cant get the pride..

last time got bbq.. this ah moi, her skirt terangkat kene tiup angin.. huuhuh.. her meal also drop, bcoz protecting her pride sweat.gif
she wore one suit tube...  sweat.gif
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ok ok..you guys are correct..
then i just wear baju kurung with kain..but wear seluar inside..how's that? laugh.gif

yah~ that fashion,like wear kebaya on upside and put on jeans..that s the fashion you've mention before,right?
thats cool then! thumbup.gif


Added on March 19, 2008, 5:43 pm
QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 19 2008, 02:14 PM)
i bet in msia rite now is 2pm according to my post time stamp.. rite now.. is 712pm..

malaysia is gmt +8, nz ins + 12.. calculate ur self.. i phailed my math.. hahahha
owh really.. but u gonna be boring if the dish same over n onver again until u grad sweat.gif
good luck then.. no need that much baju kurung with kain.. damn windy here.. later kene tiup angin baru tau icon_rolleyes.gif .. if not mistaken,, the latest fashion is baju kurung with that seluar.. idk what's that call.. huuh sorry if wrong.. sweat.gif
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ok..i dont know how to calculate all the gmt thing..
but just make it clear..
the difference between msia n nz is about 5hours and 12min-lah..
ok then..not so long at all nod.gif


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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 19 2008, 02:14 PM)
i bet in msia rite now is 2pm according to my post time stamp.. rite now.. is 712pm..

malaysia is gmt +8, nz ins + 12.. calculate ur self.. i phailed my math.. hahahha
owh really.. but u gonna be boring if the dish same over n onver again until u grad sweat.gif
good luck then.. no need that much baju kurung with kain.. damn windy here.. later kene tiup angin baru tau icon_rolleyes.gif .. if not mistaken,, the latest fashion is baju kurung with that seluar.. idk what's that call.. huuh sorry if wrong.. sweat.gif
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ok..i dont know how to calculate all the gmt thing..
but just make it clear..
the difference between msia n nz is about 5hours and 12min-lah..
ok then..not so long at all nod.gif

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Duh! Seems like NZ taxes. houses and insulation cost are crazy inbalance.... tongue.gif Even earn 6000 per month... 1500 go to income tax.... 10% housing loan... 300k - 400k per house.....living expenses.... that explain why not much ppl has $$$ to insulate the house lol May be it is time to learn some housework how to insulate heat b4 going there.
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Thanks for the encouragement. I don't min for the high tax paying though, what I think it is hard is the 10% interest housing morgage loan haha well...300k - 400k per house without insulation and 10% interest rate. what a big duh! I gotta bring all my asset in malaysia just to get a house there if I don't wanna loan any $$ from thier bank.
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dont worry huix. house price are dropping !
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wow! why NZ's tax is so high?
all your earnings just waste on the tax.. moneyflies.gif
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all england originated based countries has high tax but those tax money will go to social benefitial for example HIGH quality public medical service for almost free....
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wow! why NZ's tax is so high?
all your earnings just waste on the tax..  moneyflies.gif
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that is called a socialised welfare state........you tax money is not wasted but goes into public services which you enjoy for free or minimal charge, eg healthcare, education, libraries, subsidised public transport, old age pension, unemployment benefits etc........

you will understand all this next time when your children grows up into uni, and when you grow old and need medical care..........

but it is a concept probably foreign to some segments of msian society who are used to enjoy these perks without the need to pay high taxes........

or you prefer to be tax moderately highly, have you tax money wasted by politicians on useless projects or bailing out failing business ventures or just plain old 'leakages', need to spend a fortune on private education for your children, and go bankrupt when you fall sick, like in some countries........

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 20 2008, 08:34 AM)
that is called a socialised welfare state........you tax money is not wasted but goes into public services which you enjoy for free or minimal charge, eg healthcare, education, libraries, subsidised public transport, old age pension, unemployment benefits etc........

you will understand all this next time when your children grows up into uni, and when you grow old and need medical care..........

but it is a concept probably foreign to some segments of msian society who are used to enjoy these perks without the need to pay high taxes........

or you prefer to be tax moderately highly, have you tax money wasted by politicians on useless projects or bailing out failing business ventures or just plain old 'leakages', need to spend a fortune on private education for your children, and go bankrupt when you fall sick, like in some countries........
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ok..now i understand..it just like singapore..
they have to pay tax higher bcoz it s for the facilities and all..
that s why singapore is really clean and well-regulated..
i see.. nod.gif


Added on March 20, 2008, 9:26 ambut i heard public trnsport in NZ is quite expensive..
how come?


Added on March 20, 2008, 9:44 amfor those muslim students study in NZ (esp fantagero)
HAPPY MAULIDUR RASUL!!
today is holiday..huhu! cool.gif

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Don't forget besides income taxes, there's the Goods and Services Tax (GST) which is 12.5% and land rates to city councils.

Public transport was expensive in Auckland and still is. But starting this year, tertiary students get 50% of the normal cost (but it's still inefficient and inconvenient). Not sure how it works in other cities.

Healthcare is still pricey here unless you fall into certain categories. It's too complicated to explain over here. But they have introduced further subsidies since I've been here. There's also the problem of long waiting lists but that can't be avoided.

A lot of the tax dollars are spent/wasted on education. I really don't see the point of putting students through university for cheap and giving them an allowance (only to certain income groups) when they really shouldn't be in university in the first place. It's too each to get a student loan here so there are people who take years and years to graduate - perpetual students.

Unemployment benefits are a good thing but as usual, they're abused. Then again, that's always going to be a problem.

But I like things like a clean (mostly) efficient civil service, good public libraries, clean public toilets, benefits and provisions for the disabled, a compensation scheme for people injured in accidents, street lights that work, well-maintained roads, schools with generally good facilities (sports fields, theatre, recording studios etc).

The system isn't perfect but I won't call it a 'waste'. Unlike in Malaysia where my parents paid tax for years and years but still had to finance our healthcare and higher education privately.





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haha! tht's really clear..
why Msia government didn't do that?
then we can have a really nice environment just like other countries..

and is that why other countries currency are higher than Msia??
because of the taxes?
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apa itu IPC?
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IPC is International Pacific College,located in Palmerston North
The college that i'll be going SOON!!
haha! biggrin.gif
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haha! you are here jidinmiya..
IPC is International Pacific College,located in Palmerston North
The college that i'll be going SOON!!
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hahaha! ya <EdLiNa>

just checking around. cheyyyy!

wow,ur gonna b college?


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how you all apply to university in new zealand ?
IM planning to ask otago to send me the registration form and then I mail it back to them


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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 20 2008, 09:23 AM)
ok..now i understand..it just like singapore..
they have to pay tax higher bcoz it s for the facilities and all..
that s why singapore is really clean and well-regulated..
i see..  nod.gif


Added on March 20, 2008, 9:26 ambut i heard public trnsport in NZ is quite expensive..
how come?


Added on March 20, 2008, 9:44 amfor those muslim students study in NZ (esp fantagero)
HAPPY MAULIDUR RASUL!!
today is holiday..huhu!    cool.gif
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eh....wrong example......taxes in spore are lower than msia.......and it's ruled by ppp......pay , pay, pay.........spore is NOT a welfare state.......

cleanliness and regulation has little to do with taxes lah......
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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 20 2008, 11:34 AM)
haha! tht's really clear..
why Msia government didn't do that?
then we can have a really nice environment just like other countries..

and is that why other countries currency are higher than Msia??
because of the taxes?
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1) Malaysian govt can't do that cos there's no accountability and transparency. All the tax money masuk someone's pocket rather than going to the country and the people. Or we waste it on stupid schemes like making the world's biggest roti canai or making someone a space tourist.

2) Currency has nothing to do with taxes. To cut a long story short, a country's currency is just like any other good. It's price/value is subject to the market forces of supply a demand. If more people want to buy RM (eg more foreign investors) then the value of the currency will rise and vice versa. There are other factors of course, but that's the general idea.

If you can, do a course on macroeconomics and it will all become clear.


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how you all apply to university in new zealand ?
IM planning to ask otago to send me the registration form and then I mail it back to them
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Depends on which uni. Uni of Auckland has an online application system. For Otago, you just need to send the registration form with the necessary accompanying documents in.

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QUOTE(jidinmiya @ Mar 20 2008, 12:26 PM)
hahaha! ya <EdLiNa>

just checking around. cheyyyy!

wow,ur gonna b college?
saya dengki!!  tongue.gif
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haha! yah~
i cant believe it..
its COLLEGE..im grown up! rolleyes.gif
need to be more independent.. wink.gif


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QUOTE(guest18 @ Mar 20 2008, 01:25 PM)
how you all apply to university in new zealand ?
IM planning to ask otago to send me the registration form and then I mail it back to them
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like me..i went to New Zealand edu fair..
there were lots of uni's booth from NZ
you can ask representatives from NZ & msia agent too..
or maybe you can log on to their website and apply online..
send all the documents tht are needed by mail..


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eh....wrong example......taxes in spore are lower than msia.......and it's ruled by ppp......pay , pay, pay.........spore is NOT a welfare state.......

cleanliness and regulation has little to do with taxes lah......
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hummm??


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GO GO HURRICANES!!!! wakakakakaka
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what with hurricanes? hmm.gif


Added on March 21, 2008, 7:53 amok..last time you guys had some discussion about facial cleanser..
fantagero said tht NZ is really dry and your skin will get dry-lah.LOL
so we need to use moisturiser 50% (????)
what product should i buy? do i hv to buy it in msia or in NZ?


FANTAGERO,,,HELP ME!!!!!!!! icon_question.gif icon_question.gif icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

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how you all apply to university in new zealand ?
IM planning to ask otago to send me the registration form and then I mail it back to them
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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 20 2008, 09:37 PM)
what with hurricanes?  hmm.gif


Added on March 21, 2008, 7:53 amok..last time you guys had some discussion about facial cleanser..
fantagero said tht NZ is really dry and your skin will get dry-lah.LOL
so we need to use moisturiser 50%  (????)
what product should i buy? do i hv to buy it in msia or in NZ?
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The Hurricanes are a Wellington-based rugby team. Since you're going to Palmy, they'll be your local Super 14 team.

As for moisturiser, you can buy it here lah. You're already going to have lots of stuff you need to bring over without adding something else.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 21 2008, 09:08 AM)
The Hurricanes are a Wellington-based rugby team. Since you're going to Palmy, they'll be your local Super 14 team. 

As for moisturiser, you can buy it here lah. You're already going to have lots of stuff you need to bring over without adding something else.
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you mean,buy it there? in NZ? haha!

wow! Hurricanes huh..cool!
when will it be?


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GO GO HURRICANES!!!! wakakakakaka
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hey, i saw that you're from Wellington..
which uni are you in to?

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true... will dry.. well, depends on ur skin actually.. my friend.. tak pernah kering..
and please,, dont bring any facial from malaysia that have function "rid of oil"
huhuuh i found that my dryness, one of the cause is my facial.. hahahh "oil control".. now, hvnt use any facial.. so my face become very oily, which is good here.. but not in malaysia.. hahah..

planning of to buy moisturizer like baby johnson.. tip of fingers dry..
my uni hall, provides free lip balm for new comers here..


Added on March 21, 2008, 10:10 amuih.. in msia baru 10pm ka??? here 3pm oredi.. today very hot sweat.gif

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 21 2008, 09:13 AM)
you mean,buy it there? in NZ?  haha!

wow! Hurricanes huh..cool!
when will it be?


Added on March 21, 2008, 9:15 am
hey, i saw that you're from Wellington..
which uni are you in to?
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Vic student here....
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hohoh.. the best thing here... maximum speed internet rclxm9.gif


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correction..its 10 am..not pm laugh.gif
hey,where are you? in your room or what?
don't you have any class today?
and its hot??! wow...

max speed internet huh.. huhu.
normally,is it too slow?


Added on March 21, 2008, 10:39 amso i better check my type of skin there..
if my skin dryness then i buy moisturizer.. yay!


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Vic student here....
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VIC is victoria........, right?
haha!:lol:
sorry i dont remmber its name..
is it near to Palmy?

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 21 2008, 10:38 AM)
correction..its 10 am..not pm  laugh.gif
hey,where are you? in your room or what?
don't you have any class today?
and its hot??! wow...

max speed internet huh.. huhu.
normally,is it too slow?


Added on March 21, 2008, 10:39 amso i better check my type of skin there..
if my skin dryness then i buy moisturizer.. yay!


Added on March 21, 2008, 10:41 am
VIC is victoria........, right?
haha!:lol:
sorry i dont remmber its name..
is it near to Palmy?
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It's Good Friday dear - that means it's a public holiday.

Your skin WILL be dry. Moisturiser is a must, especially for people like us whose skins are accustomed to hot and humid Malaysia.

Vic is in Wellington.
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not exactly, but it's nearer compare to most places around it, i think it's just above the upper hutt valley?

Today's good friday, no class
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today easter day la.. holiday . wednesday baru start kelas.. huhuh

btw.. dont forget to join malaysian club there.. if ipc dont hav any.. try ask join massey one.. huhu dont isolate urself.. if got cultural event..

here, many private isolate.. uhuh sometime dont them know at all.. sweat.gif
dunno why..


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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 21 2008, 08:04 AM)
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my wife is waiting for me in new zealand laugh.gif

IM trying for canturbury otago auckland and waikato after I finish my level 2 here

for canada one I will try for the 8 university member of something I cant remember

not trying for uk and us though , hate them

maybe will try for few ireland and few sweed , few austria

but new zealand is my primary aim
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 21 2008, 11:21 AM)
It's Good Friday dear - that means it's a public holiday.

Your skin WILL be dry. Moisturiser is a must, especially for people like us whose skins are accustomed to hot and humid Malaysia.

Vic is in Wellington.
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ohh yah..i forgot..
i heard from Selset that today is Easter Day..
yes yes!

maybe just bring my own moisturizer..
if it's nnot suitable there,i just buy another one..

smile.gif


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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 21 2008, 11:43 AM)
today easter day la.. holiday . wednesday baru start kelas.. huhuh

btw.. dont  forget to join malaysian club there.. if ipc dont hav any.. try ask join massey one.. huhu dont isolate urself.. if got cultural event..

here, many private isolate.. uhuh sometime dont them know at all.. sweat.gif
dunno why..
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sure i will..wherever it is..must be around our msian ppl..
that we can really trust and rely on...
so it will be easy when it comes HARI RAYA DAY...waaaaa!! without my family..
my first raya being alone.. cry.gif

hey, i just get back from shopping my things..
and also bought some rempah and kari.. smile.gif
nice one!

hey, how hot is it in NZ?
is it dry hot? or is it hot than msia? (???)
is it summer time?

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 21 2008, 01:38 PM)
ohh yah..i forgot..
i heard from Selset that today is Easter Day..
yes yes!

maybe just bring my own moisturizer..
if it's nnot suitable there,i just buy another one..

smile.gif


Added on March 21, 2008, 1:45 pm
sure i will..wherever it is..must be around our msian ppl..
that we can really trust and rely on...
so it will be easy when it comes HARI RAYA DAY...waaaaa!! without my family..
my first raya being alone..    cry.gif

hey, i just get back from shopping my things..
and also bought some rempah and kari..  smile.gif
nice one!

hey, how hot is it in NZ?
is it dry hot? or is it hot than msia?  (???)
is it summer time?
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Good Friday, not 'easter day'.......and sunday will be easter sunday......maybe you need to visit sabah or sarawak (domestic tourism mah) to learn these things......today is a ph there too.........
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hmmm? what's the difference between GOOD & EASTER?
i heard she said EASTER DAY... (whatever..)
ok,what is that actually?
every friday and sunday are holiday?
or just today?


Added on March 21, 2008, 1:53 pmwhat is ph?

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it is summer now and i'm always with my long sleeves most of the time when I'm out
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how hot it is?
long sleeve make you more hot..
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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 21 2008, 02:02 PM)
how hot it is?
long sleeve make you more hot..
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I hardly wore short sleeves in NZ. Always hot sleeves. In summer also.


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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 21 2008, 01:38 PM)
ohh yah..i forgot..
i heard from Selset that today is Easter Day..
yes yes!

maybe just bring my own moisturizer..
if it's nnot suitable there,i just buy another one..

smile.gif


Added on March 21, 2008, 1:45 pm
sure i will..wherever it is..must be around our msian ppl..
that we can really trust and rely on...
so it will be easy when it comes HARI RAYA DAY...waaaaa!! without my family..
my first raya being alone..    cry.gif

hey, i just get back from shopping my things..
and also bought some rempah and kari..  smile.gif
nice one!

hey, how hot is it in NZ?
is it dry hot? or is it hot than msia?  (???)
is it summer time?
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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 21 2008, 01:52 PM)
hmmm? what's the difference between GOOD & EASTER?
i heard she said EASTER DAY... (whatever..)
ok,what is that actually?
every friday and sunday are holiday?
or just today?


Added on March 21, 2008, 1:53 pmwhat is ph?
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/me cries at the stupidity of Malaysians here.

Today is Good Friday. Monday will be Easter. Without going too much into religon, Good Friday was the day Jesus was crucified, and he rose on Easter. Hence the holidays here.

Limeuu is right; you "westerners" should come to Sabah and Sarawak more often.

For the record <EdLiNa>, the ph limeuu was refering to means public holiday.

Yes, it is (the end of) summer now in NZ, and no, it never gets as hot as Malaysia. Maybe you'll get a few warm days one or two days a year, but that's pretty much it.

QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 18 2008, 01:43 AM)
oh my gosh..
this is really unbelievable..i just found out this forum and i've read through every pages and you guys gave lots of information about NZ..  rclxms.gif
So much for allegedly reading this whole thread.

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 21 2008, 01:52 PM)
hmmm? what's the difference between GOOD & EASTER?
i heard she said EASTER DAY... (whatever..)
ok,what is that actually?
every friday and sunday are holiday?
or just today?


Added on March 21, 2008, 1:53 pmwhat is ph?
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that is a sign of the utter failure of the msian education, that while so much of school history is islamic history, malay/muslims know so little about other religions and cultures.........
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 21 2008, 01:47 PM)
Good Friday, not 'easter day'.......and sunday will be easter sunday......maybe you need to visit sabah or sarawak (domestic tourism mah) to learn these things......today is a ph there too.........
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Mar 21 2008, 01:55 PM)
it is summer now and i'm always with my long sleeves most of the time when I'm out
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 21 2008, 03:21 PM)
that is a sign of the utter failure of the msian education, that while so much of school history is islamic history, malay/muslims know so little about other religions and cultures.........
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duh~~ i know la today is good friday.. but easter sounds more geng.. haiya. no need to say like that...
bcoz same goes like local here.. some of em dont know bout islam too.. so u r saying every local education is a utter failure as they dont teach other religion too..
i dont thing school in nz teach other religon.. so far that i know..
and for some part of the world.
from my experience, malaysia doesnt exist for them... they never heard about malaysia..

that's why we go study outside the country.. we learn...
just bcoz "dont know" doesnt mean it is a failure..
even the local here dont know what is hijab sometime.. but advantage for local that got uni here. like christchurch.. they got many students coming from outside...


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QUOTE(haya @ Mar 21 2008, 02:28 PM)
I hardly wore short sleeves in NZ. Always hot sleeves. In summer also.


Added on March 21, 2008, 2:37 pm
/me cries at the stupidity of Malaysians here.

Today is Good Friday. Monday will be Easter. Without going too much into religon, Good Friday was the day Jesus was crucified, and he rose on Easter. Hence the holidays here.

Limeuu is right; you "westerners" should come to Sabah and Sarawak more often.

For the record <EdLiNa>, the ph limeuu was refering to means public holiday.

Yes, it is (the end of) summer now in NZ, and no, it never gets as hot as Malaysia. Maybe you'll get a few warm days one or two days a year, but that's pretty much it.
So much for allegedly reading this whole thread.
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edlina. dont bcom as stupid as i am.. rclxub.gif

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the difference is, they live in a 90% christian country........

malaysia has almost 50% non muslims, mostly christians in the borneo states, and yet, political expediency decides that must not be known openly......

kiwi schools studies comparative religions in school.........and that is all.......any other religious instructions (whatever religion) is outside the formal school curriculum........and an individual choice.....

i don't have to explain the situation in msia........
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 21 2008, 03:39 PM)
duh~~ i know la today is good friday.. but easter sounds more geng.. haiya. no need to say like that...
bcoz same goes like local here.. some of em dont know bout islam too.. so u r saying every local education is a utter failure as they dont teach other religion too..
i dont thing school in nz teach other religon.. so far that i know..
and from my experience, malaysia doesnt exist for them... they never heard about malaysia..

that's why we go study outside the country.. we learn...
just bcoz "dont know" doesnt mean it is a failure..
even the local here dont know what is hijab sometime.. but advantage for local that got uni here. like christchurch.. they got many students coming from outside...


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Okay, yesterday was the Prophet Muhammad's birthday, But I'd say it was Hari Raya yesterday, just because it sounds more "geng" and fun and sounds like more food to eat.

Believe me, some kiwi's know more about M'sia than you think. You can complain that the 'locals" may not understand Islam, but have you, as a Muslim, ever considered to understand other religons?

Since Malaysia is supposedly a "multicultural" place, where supposedly all religons co-exist side by side, why do we still have people showing their ignorance then? And I'm not just talking about you fantagero.
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 21 2008, 03:46 PM)
the difference is, they live in a 90% christian country........

malaysia has almost 50% non muslims, mostly christians in the borneo states, and yet, political expediency decides that must not be known openly......

kiwi schools studies comparative religions in school.........and that is all.......any other religious instructions (whatever religion) is outside the formal school curriculum........and an individual choice.....

i don't have to explain the situation in msia........
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QUOTE(haya @ Mar 21 2008, 03:46 PM)
Okay, yesterday was the Prophet Muhammad's birthday, But I'd say it was Hari Raya yesterday, just because it sounds more "geng" and fun and sounds like more food to eat.

Believe me, some kiwi's know more about M'sia than you think. You can complain that the 'locals" may not understand Islam, but have you, as a Muslim, ever considered to understand other religons?

Since Malaysia is supposedly a "multicultural" place, where supposedly all religons co-exist side by side, why do we still have people showing their ignorance then? And I'm not just talking about you fantagero.
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what????
just bcoz i wrongly call the name of the day makes me "the person who dont understand other religion until reach the state that i dont consider other religion???"

which part eyh i as a muslim to the extend that i'm not consider other religion???

dude.. u know yesterday is prophet bday.. the fact that u wanna call it hari raya bcoz its sounds like food to eat makes u a funny person..

i know today is good friday, but i thought good friday is the same as easter bcoz i thought its the same.. the local said 2morow shop close bcoz of easter.. that's why la i call it easter..

i'm glad they understand.. hopefully we can teach all student is the States about malaysia.. apparently, they dont know about malaysia yet..

btw.. now i learn something... man.. i'm a malaysian education failure..
easter is easter,
good friday is good friday..

thanks for the knowledge..its so wide.. i cant learn it all at once..


Added on March 21, 2008, 4:04 pmto show that i'm not that failure..
i've read about good friday n easter
in wiki.. i hope it's all 100% correct fact..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

btw.. my flatmate Buddhist dont know that Muslim cant eat/touch ham..
he's from sri lanka, but came to nz since small, his father is na associate prof at otaga if i'm right..
schooling in nz since then
man.. i hope no one call him an education failure..

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QUOTE(haya @ Mar 21 2008, 02:28 PM)
Today is Good Friday. Monday will be Easter. Without going too much into religon, Good Friday was the day Jesus was crucified, and he rose on Easter. Hence the holidays here.

Limeuu is right; you "westerners" should come to Sabah and Sarawak more often.

Yes, it is (the end of) summer now in NZ, and no, it never gets as hot as Malaysia. Maybe you'll get a few warm days one or two days a year, but that's pretty much it.
So much for allegedly reading this whole thread.
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Easter is on Sunday, Haya. I sincerely hope that was a blooper otherwise...

And no, some people don't need to go to East Malaysia to know what Easter is. We Westies aren't all that dumb!


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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 21 2008, 03:39 PM)
duh~~ i know la today is good friday.. but easter sounds more geng.. haiya. no need to say like that...
bcoz same goes like local here.. some of em dont know bout islam too.. so u r saying every local education is a utter failure as they dont teach other religion too..
i dont thing school in nz teach other religon.. so far that i know..
and for some part of the world.
from my experience, malaysia doesnt exist for them... they never heard about malaysia..

that's why we go study outside the country.. we learn...
just bcoz "dont know" doesnt mean it is a failure..
even the local here dont know what is hijab sometime.. but advantage for local that got uni here. like christchurch.. they got many students coming from outside...
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If you're going to play this game, let me ask - how many Malaysians know anything about New Zealand? Many people I know think NZ is part of Australia. Some others have no clue that the seasons are reversed in the Southern Hemisphere!

Btw on the global scale of things (and contrary to what Mahathir tried to have us believe), Malaysia is a pretty insignificant country. NZ is not.

QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 21 2008, 03:58 PM)
just bcoz i wrongly call the name of the day makes me "the person who dont understand other religion until reach the state that i dont consider other religion???"

which part eyh i as a muslim to the extend that i'm not consider other religion???
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To the first question - yes actually.

To the second - I didn't even understand what you said. How about some comprehensible English? You're in NZ after all.

QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 21 2008, 03:58 PM)
dude.. u know yesterday is prophet bday.. the fact that u wanna call it hari raya bcoz its sounds like food to eat makes u a funny person..

i know today is good friday, but i thought good friday is the same as easter bcoz i thought its the same.. the local said 2morow shop close bcoz of easter.. that's why la i call it easter..

btw.. now i learn something... man.. i'm a malaysian education failure..
easter is easter,
good friday is good friday..

btw.. my flatmate Buddhist dont know that Muslim cant eat/touch ham..
he's from sri lanka, but came to nz since small, his father is na associate prof at otaga if i'm right..
schooling in nz since then
man.. i hope no one call him an education failure..
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Islam is a almost non-existent in NZ. I Kiwi could live his life without knowing a single Muslim.

Christianity and other religions are not insignificant in Malaysia. You'd be hard pressed to have never met/gone to school with a Christian or other non-Muslim in your life (and if you did, it's a total failure of our system to segregate our students like that). It's a common courtesy to know at least some of the most basic facts of your friends/classmates/neighbour's religion.

This is what happens when the authorities in a country treat other religions like anathema.

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QUOTE(haya @ Mar 21 2008, 03:46 PM)
Okay, yesterday was the Prophet Muhammad's birthday, But I'd say it was Hari Raya yesterday, just because it sounds more "geng" and fun and sounds like more food to eat.

Believe me, some kiwi's know more about M'sia than you think. You can complain that the 'locals" may not understand Islam, but have you, as a Muslim, ever considered to understand other religons?

Since Malaysia is supposedly a "multicultural" place, where supposedly all religons co-exist side by side, why do we still have people showing their ignorance then? And I'm not just talking about you fantagero.
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"Which part eyh i as a muslim to the extend that i'm not consider other religion???"
i was refering to this question..

i wrongly name the name of the day .. is this means i'm inconsiderate ???
if yes.. my BIGGEST apology..


QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 21 2008, 05:01 PM)
Easter is on Sunday, Haya. I sincerely hope that was a blooper otherwise...

And no, some people don't need to go to East Malaysia to know what Easter is. We Westies aren't all that dumb!


Added on March 21, 2008, 5:14 pm
If you're going to play this game, let me ask - how many Malaysians know anything about New Zealand? Many people I know think NZ is part of Australia. Some others have no clue that the seasons are reversed in the Southern Hemisphere!

Btw on the global scale of things (and contrary to what Mahathir tried to have us believe), Malaysia is a pretty insignificant country. NZ is not.
To the first question - yes actually.

To the second - I didn't even understand what you said. How about some comprehensible English? You're in NZ after all.
Islam is a almost non-existent in NZ. I Kiwi could live his life without knowing a single Muslim.


Christianity and other religions are not insignificant in Malaysia. You'd be hard pressed to have never met/gone to school with a Christian or other non-Muslim in your life (and if you did, it's a total failure of our system to segregate our students like that). It's a common courtesy to know at least some of the most basic facts of your friends/classmates/neighbour's religion.

This is what happens when the authorities in a country treat other religions like anathema.
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i dont to play a game about significanity (new word i created) just dont say about system education is a total failure. it's improving..
i just wanna tell that if u don't know, doesnt mean that the education system is a failure.. it's the matter of time people learn...
because the previous post state that i dont know = failure.

my roommate last time in malaysia is a chinese christian.. man i forget to ask him about the easter and g.friday last time.
dont worry.. i know a lil bit of other religion too.. i even read the bible a lil bit..
my house mate even read the indonesion bible.

just that i wrongly name of the day...
notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif biggest apology.

man.. dont turn this into RWI... i admit i wrongly name the day ok...
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okay guys, the point has been made, we are all aware of the shortcomings of the politicised msian education system.......it to an individual's disadvantage if he/she is ignorant of the world around him/her, so it is up to the individual to realise that and correct the deficiency........so let's let it rest now, okay?..........
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OMG ohmy.gif oops.gif
what i've done here.. (??)
hmm..i dont know what to say now..
well, thanks fantagero for backing me up..
emm..i just dont know what are Good Friday & Easter Day
that's why im asking you guys..
it's just..im still a kid..
and need to know more..
if im not interested in other religions,
i will not asking that questions..
its just a process of learning..
just teach ppl who dont know..
but pls dont look down to ppl..
this is like a discrimination (and pls dont make up this thing)
oh my...im exhausted!!! fuhhh~~ rclxub.gif

anyway,sorry for making this thing up.. sad.gif
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hahha nutyn to do with u edlina.. hahhaa
sorry to scare u sweat.gif

hahah maybe the RWI mood getting into me and some other forumers too sweat.gif

dont be afraid.. tongue.gif

true2.. hope with the change in G, hope education also can be changed..

damn.. i should suggest to that datuk yesterday about our education system... u guys in vic sure received lawatan with that kementerian tinggi datuk rite..


Added on March 21, 2008, 8:40 pm
QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 21 2008, 07:58 PM)
okay guys, the point has been made, we are all aware of the shortcomings of the politicised msian education system.......it to an individual's disadvantage if he/she is ignorant of the world around him/her, so it is up to the individual to realise that and correct the deficiency........so let's let it rest now, okay?..........
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yaa.. sorry.. if u dont want to rest the case.. sweat.gif hope not.
can pm me k.. hehehe

nyte everyone.. already 1.39am.. sweat.gif

just in case edlina.. RWI means real World issues.. place where everyone is scary
http://forum.lowyat.net/RealWorldIssues << here..

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wow! you guys are really something..
this one i can say that,im not really into world issue..
but after this i'll make sure i'll up to date in every issues..huhu!
since im going to live in other country..
i also have to know what happened with this world, ain't it?
then i can join you guys discussing about this RWI..
but,kinda a tense huh.. sweat.gif
i've got lots more to learn..
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 21 2008, 05:01 PM)
Islam is a almost non-existent in NZ. I Kiwi could live his life without knowing a single Muslim.

Christianity and other religions are not insignificant in Malaysia. You'd be hard pressed to have never met/gone to school with a Christian or other non-Muslim in your life (and if you did, it's a total failure of our system to segregate our students like that). It's a common courtesy to know at least some of the most basic facts of your friends/classmates/neighbour's religion.

This is what happens when the authorities in a country treat other religions like anathema.
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Word .


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wow! you guys are really something..
this one i can say that,im not really into world issue..
but after this i'll make sure i'll up to date in every issues..huhu!
since im going to live in other country..
i also have to know what happened with this world, ain't it?
then i can join you guys discussing about this RWI..
but,kinda a tense huh..  sweat.gif
i've got lots more to learn..  
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learning is a personal choice.
what u do with ur knowledge is another story

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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 21 2008, 08:38 PM)
hahha nutyn to do with u edlina.. hahhaa
sorry to scare u sweat.gif

hahah maybe the RWI mood getting into me and some other forumers too sweat.gif

dont be afraid.. tongue.gif

true2.. hope with the change in G, hope education also can be changed..

damn.. i should suggest to that datuk yesterday about our education system... u guys in vic sure received lawatan with that kementerian tinggi datuk rite..


Added on March 21, 2008, 8:40 pm

yaa.. sorry.. if u dont want to rest the case.. sweat.gif hope not.
can pm me k.. hehehe

nyte everyone.. already 1.39am.. sweat.gif

just in case edlina.. RWI means real World issues.. place where everyone is scary
http://forum.lowyat.net/RealWorldIssues << here..
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wuuuu..my first serious discussion about RWI..
its hot hot! huhu. (no offence!)

emm..i thought about asking you what is RWI..
but im afraid to..
thank God you told me early..ghee~ sweat.gif
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 21 2008, 05:01 PM)
Easter is on Sunday, Haya. I sincerely hope that was a blooper otherwise...

And no, some people don't need to go to East Malaysia to know what Easter is. We Westies aren't all that dumb!
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Sorry. It was a blooper on my part. Calendar got me all mixed up with the actual day and holiday. My bad.

Okay, I'll let the matter rest this time, but I'll just say this: open discussion is all about what this forum (and the internet) is about.
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okay okay..
i just need to learn some more..
teach me, dont push me..
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ok..now i understand..it just like singapore..
they have to pay tax higher bcoz it s for the facilities and all..
that s why singapore is really clean and well-regulated..
i see..   nod.gif


Added on March 20, 2008, 9:26 ambut i heard public trnsport in NZ is quite expensive..
how come?


Added on March 20, 2008, 9:44 amfor those muslim students study in NZ (esp fantagero)
HAPPY MAULIDUR RASUL!!
today is holiday..huhu!    cool.gif
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Indeed, singapore tax is even lower than malaysia but they are more efficient... Malaysia, to be honest, is one of the best country in the world. What is natural disaster? earthquake? typhon? what is that? We are full of natural resources, tin, gold, timber, oil and gas. We are the central heart of asia and position excellent. But why we are still failing behind? Why singapore can be achieve what KL can't? Some shortsighted people always say singapore is smaller and eaiser to manage but they ignore the fact how come a countrywithout natural resources and human resouces can be top in the world to attract human capital to work there. In my opinion, if malaysia is run as efficient as singapore in 40 years, I bet our GDP is at least in the stage of france at the moment.

By the way, people dont' know what is easter and good friday shouldn't be classified as stupid. People won't know anything. Ask westerner about the history of "Chung Yang or mid autumn festival" or harvest festival in sabah/sarawak, they know peenuts about it. Does this mean they are stupid? By saying this, it show "short-mind-ness" and think everyone should knows what American are thinking and living, if we don't, we are living in 3rd world people.... you won't know how many times my American principal was suprised by our talented engineer in Malaysia.

We have the talent here but I really don't like the education system here. Instead, I am east malaysian christian bumiputra but I forsee my kids will have a better future in NZ. They can work in NZ/OZ/UK/US/CND when they grow up if they are NZ citizen. Yes, I intend to convert them to be NZ citizen when they get qualification to convert from PR to CTZ. Come back to Malaysia? Well, if they have 5 choices to go, how hard for them to get an expat visa in Malaysia?

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is our education system that bad?
until you want to grow your kids and be an NZ citizen..
okay..why malaysia didnt change their system to be more better anyway?
they say,they keep improving the system and all that..

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Indeed, singapore tax is even lower than malaysia but they are more efficient... Malaysia, to be honest, is one of the best country in the world. What is natural disaster? earthquake? typhon? what is that? We are full of natural resources, tin, gold, timber, oil and gas. We are the central heart of asia and position excellent. But why we are still failing behind? Why singapore can be achieve what KL can't? Some shortsighted people always say singapore is smaller and eaiser to manage but they ignore the fact how come a countrywithout natural resources and human resouces can be top in the world to attract human capital to work there. In my opinion, if malaysia is run as efficient as singapore in 40 years, I bet our GDP is at least in the stage of france at the moment.

By the way, people dont' know what is easter and good friday shouldn't be classified as stupid. People won't know anything. Ask westerner about the history of "Chung Yang or mid autumn festival" or harvest festival in sabah/sarawak, they know peenuts about it. Does this mean they are stupid? By saying this, it show "short-mind-ness" and think everyone should knows what American are thinking and living, if we don't, we are living in 3rd world people.... you won't know how many times my American principal was suprised by our talented engineer in Malaysia.

We have the talent here but I really don't like the education system here. Instead, I am east malaysian christian bumiputra but I forsee my kids will have a better future in NZ. They can work in NZ/OZ/UK/US/CND when they grow up if they are NZ citizen. Yes, I intend to convert them to be NZ citizen when they get qualification to convert from PR to CTZ. Come back to Malaysia? Well, if they have 5 choices to go, how hard for them to get an expat visa in Malaysia?
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having experienced high school in both msia and nz , i'd say if ur blaming on education, u have no point. wat we learn in form 3 (PMR msia) can kiss form 5 (NCEA1 NZ) away. standard of education and quality of teachers, msia wins tenfold. learning experience, i'd prefer msia too. but from what i know, the nz education system lets you learn what you want even at school level which includes music, sports science etc which is unheard of in msia. unless for those who have special interest in arts category, i'd prefer msian education system anytime.

instead, for tertiary education, i dont see much greatness in what im learning. but yes, our msian tertiary education fails terribly . factors include unfit lecturers, discrimination, system and such. im sure ur kids will have better future being nz grad, and having a chance to euro countries for OE. if hardworking and determined enough, the world is theirs to conquer.

nevertheless, its really depends what u expect from a country. nowadays, we choose our citizenship based on what they can offer us. however, imo msia education system is not the problem. as u said, even spore can do it, i'd say we are where and who we are coz of our gov. also , i see u choose a country who is more fair and give you your rights to be whoever you want for what you can do. cheers , hopefully all your sacrifice for your children will pay off.

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dunno about our education system, but I do like their confidence. Some may say that I am exaggerating but usually, Asians keep their mouth shut whereas locals prefer to answer questions or voice out opinions. One Kiwi girl actually told me that they started schooling at the age of 5? If I am not mistaken, and when she knows that we start school at the age of 7, she was shocked. The UK starts at the age of 3 or 4 I think. She used to live in Scotland.

Moreover, there's one thing that I can't stand Malaysian students, be it Malays or Chinese, they usually stick to their own kind. Screw the stereotypical mindset about only Malays tend to mix with their own kind, I see quite a number of Malaysian Chinese doing that too. Some of my friends whom I met here, had totally no respect towards the kiwis here and expect them to treat them nicely.


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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 22 2008, 05:52 PM)
having experienced high school in both msia and nz , i'd say if ur blaming on education, u have no point. wat we learn in form 3 (PMR msia) can kiss form 5 (NCEA1 NZ) away. standard of education and quality of teachers, msia wins tenfold. learning experience, i'd prefer msia too. but from what i know, the nz education system lets you learn what you want even at school level which includes music, sports science etc which is unheard of in msia. unless for those who have special interest in arts category, i'd prefer msian education system anytime.

instead, for tertiary education, i dont see much greatness in what im learning. but yes, our msian tertiary education fails terribly . factors include unfit lecturers, discrimination, system and such. im sure ur kids will have better future being nz grad, and having a chance to euro countries for OE. if hardworking and determined enough, the world is theirs to conquer.

nevertheless, its really depends what u expect from a country. nowadays, we choose our citizenship based on what they can offer us. however, imo msia education system is not the problem. as u said, even spore can do it, i'd say we are where and who we are coz of our gov. also , i see u choose a country who is more fair and give you your rights to be whoever you want for what you can do. cheers , hopefully all your sacrifice for your children will pay off.
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I'd say more on the way we were brought up that affects our lifestyle. I can't say that they are inferior to us when it comes to education, in fact, I find them much more mature than us Malaysians at times.

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Mar 22 2008, 05:58 PM)
dunno about our education system, but I do like their confidence. Some may say that I am exaggerating but usually, Asians keep their mouth shut whereas locals prefer to answer questions or voice out opinions. One Kiwi girl actually told me that they started schooling at the age of 5? If I am not mistaken, and when she knows that we start school at the age of 7, she was shocked. The UK starts at the age of 3 or 4 I think. She used to live in Scotland.

Moreover, there's one thing that I can't stand Malaysian students, be it Malays or Chinese, they usually stick to their own kind. Screw the stereotypical mindset about only Malays tend to mix with their own kind, I see quite a number of Malaysian Chinese doing that too. Some of my friends whom I met here, had totally no respect towards the kiwis here and expect them to treat them nicely.
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racial saggrigation happens , its what we've been thought in msia.
jsut to add about their confidence, sometimes they are just overconfident about things they dont know. but hey, majority arent afraid to do mistakes. same goes to their maturity. sometimes moderation is key.


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Added on March 22, 2008, 6:01 pm

I'd say more on the way we were brought up that affects our lifestyle. I can't say that they are inferior to us when it comes to education, in fact, I find them much more mature than us Malaysians at times.
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i second your addon. as said above, moderation.

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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 22 2008, 06:05 PM)
racial saggrigation happens , its what we've been thought in msia.
jsut to add about their confidence, sometimes they are just overconfident about things they dont know. but hey, majority arent afraid to do mistakes. same goes to their maturity. sometimes moderation is key.


Added on March 22, 2008, 6:06 pm
i second your addon. as said above, moderation.
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Moderation yes, some of them tend to be overconfident, which gets really irritating at times. Some of the Kiwis actually hated them for being so. biggrin.gif
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is our education system that bad?
until you want to grow your kids and be an NZ citizen..
okay..why malaysia didnt change their system to be more better anyway?
they say,they keep improving the system and all that..

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edlina, you have a lot to learn........hopefully, now that you are in nz, and not subject to the propaganda, you will open you eyes to the world, and to injustice in your own country.......read between the lines.....it's NOT just about education........
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Not that Malaysian education is bad. Instead, my primary school and secondary school education are done in Malaysia and I don't feel any standard difference when I was in USA for the 3rd education. Instead, our mathematic standard pwn. However, like Meng said, we ignore other talents such as leadership, music and others, which I feel it is quite crucial to find out the talents as well. Our 3rd drgree need to be re-looked at to be honest and I dont' want to raise my kid and gotta fork out 300k for their education in future (well, good STPM result doesn't guarantee what is your first choice in University...) Another part is the corruption. Before you start your own business, you gotta pay this dato pay that datin...when you are on your business, governement servants disturb you more than the gangster..... I am doign this, at least, give them a chance for better education.

I gotta let go my high management work here, and work more technically in NZ, but in NZ, even you work technically, your career is still good. Currently, we have a oracle dba coming from OZ to solve our problem...he is almost 60 years old, he knows the inside out of oracle database like his pet. very impressive person.
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Fantegero, I'm sorry if I was a bit harsh. I'm glad that you're willing to learn and I hope you'll take this chance you have in NZ to broaden you mind. Go out of your comfort zone and you'll be richly rewarded.

QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 22 2008, 05:52 PM)
having experienced high school in both msia and nz , i'd say if ur blaming on education, u have no point. wat we learn in form 3 (PMR msia) can kiss form 5 (NCEA1 NZ) away. standard of education and quality of teachers, msia wins tenfold. learning experience, i'd prefer msia too. but from what i know, the nz education system lets you learn what you want even at school level which includes music, sports science etc which is unheard of in msia. unless for those who have special interest in arts category, i'd prefer msian education system anytime.

instead, for tertiary education, i dont see much greatness in what im learning. but yes, our msian tertiary education fails terribly . factors include unfit lecturers, discrimination, system and such. im sure ur kids will have better future being nz grad, and having a chance to euro countries for OE. if hardworking and determined enough, the world is theirs to conquer.

nevertheless, its really depends what u expect from a country. nowadays, we choose our citizenship based on what they can offer us. however, imo msia education system is not the problem. as u said, even spore can do it, i'd say we are where and who we are coz of our gov. also , i see u choose a country who is more fair and give you your rights to be whoever you want for what you can do. cheers , hopefully all your sacrifice for your children will pay off.
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I have also experienced the school systems in both Malaysia and NZ. While we are superior in maths and science, we fall far behind in arts and social sciences. The problem with our system (whatever the subject) is that it teaches us to learn by rote and to regurgitate for exams. It doesn't encourage independent thought and questioning among the students.

I once tried to give my own opinion in BM literature analysis and got completely shot down by the teacher. Another time, I tried to question our history textbooks and the 'official' interpretation of events. At least the teacher was nice about it but it was made very clear that anything but the 'official' answer will get no marks in exams. I see these questions about how to score for BM, sejarah, whatever in this forum? The answer is really simple. Just get the textbook/reference book and memorise.

In science and maths, that's not so bad. At the basic school level, there's less room for independent thought, analysis and application. The best way to score in maths is to practice and do exercise after exercise - a good thing IMO cos the basics are really mastered. It is only at the higher levels that your own input become crucial. But for arts and social sciences, memorisation and 'accepted' answers are not the way to go. So we fall far behind. But I suppose it "doesn't matter" since only the dumb kids go the arts stream.

I did law and economics at uni (with some psychology and philosophy papers thrown in). Especially for law and philosophy - guess what my problem was? I had real difficulty scoring in exams and assignments cos my mind was constrained - a general inability to think outside the box. Ask me to tell you the law is, and I'd get it perfect. Ask me to apply it to a situation and I could do it with some adjustment. Ask me to give you a novel solution or to critique another person's analysis (necessary for an A) and I fell apart. It took me quite a while to learn to do something that came naturally to many Kiwis.

QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 22 2008, 06:05 PM)
jsut to add about their confidence, sometimes they are just overconfident about things they dont know. but hey, majority arent afraid to do mistakes. same goes to their maturity. sometimes moderation is key.
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There's nothing wrong with making mistakes... that's how we learn. The key is to recognise it and move on. But people who are afraid to make mistakes will never progress. This is one of the greatest weakness of Asians, the fear of making mistakes and looking stupid/losing face.

"I am not discouraged , because every wrong attempt discarded is another step forward" - Thomas Edison

As for their confidence, that was cultivated at school right from primary school level. They are encouraged to speak out and to explore, rather than being shot down and called kurang ajar. Natural curiosity is encouraged rather than suppressed. I see it in my young cousins now and compare it to what we have.

I'm not saying everything about our system is bad in comparison. In general, our syllabus are excellent (as you said). I just think it has been abused and twisted into what it is now. The focus is on As, As, and more As. Who cares if you know what the capital of Germany is or what is going on in Tibet now? How many students even read the newspapers? Gossip and sports pages don't count. How many read non-school books? As long as you get 21 As, nothing else matters. Don't even get me started on the grade inflation syndrome...

We have created a generation of students who know nothing beyond their textbooks, tuition, exam techniques and whatever movies/pop stars that happen to interest them. In short, we created a shallow generation.

Btw I won't say the quality of teachers in Malaysia is higher. Maybe you went to one of the better schools and never had English teachers who couldn't speak English, PE teachers who didn't know the difference between netball and basketball or simply teachers who never bothered to show up for class did you? I taught myself physics and and Form 4 biology. If you count that as learning experience, it did a world of good for me since it taught me to be independent. Then again, I won't take anything away from certain excellent teachers I had in Malaysia. I have utmost respect for them.

To summarise, my problem with the Malaysian system is:
1) next to no emphasis on arts and social sciences;
2) suppressing natural curiosity and independent thought; and
3) exams, exams and exams and grade inflation.
Note that I didn't complain about the syllabus.

This post has been edited by wornbook: Mar 23 2008, 10:46 AM
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We have created a generation of students who know nothing beyond their textbooks, tuition, exam techniques and whatever movies/pop stars that happen to interest them. In short, we created a shallow generation.
If one had to sum up Malaysian students on one paragraph, this would be it.

Not to mention being seperated by language; imcompetent in English, racist in Malay and narowminded in mandarin.

Some of my Malaysian friends call me wikipedia simply because I know what the capital of Kyrgyzstan is. They don't know who Lim Guan Eng is. Never heard of Lingam. Only Dayak's live in Sarawak, and because they're "bumiputera's" they're all Muslim. The "prime minister" of Sarawak is a Malay. But hell, ask them to write an essay on the Privy council, up comes wikipedia, textbooks and recommended reading, and they get a 5 for it.

I'm seriously not making any of these up. This is my real life.
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btw... that's why the g sends student to study abroad. So that we can open our mind.. i've seen some of my teachers in school, UK graduated. they taught us in different way compare to the local graduated teacher.. and some local graduated teacher also trying to teach us to open our mind. not just follow the text books.. that's why i'm saying it's improving. just the matter of time all the teacher gonna get out from their comfort zone and typical way of teaching. biggrin.gif
some of us, maybe being taught by the typical textbook way. but actually, nowadays, in some part of the country, their teachers are improving. even some school got their own dance party, but not all.. sweat.gif
these young teachers gonna replace and renew the way of learning. but just the matter of time..

just bcoz we got the bad part, doesnt mean it gonna stay bad.

but what usually happen, intelligent student that went OC, they return to the country, and they tend to do their own business. make money. i mean, not many of em interested to join the authority (politic). or even worst, they stay outside the country. this more to the scholarship student. G sent them to study abroad with scholarship so thay they can return to make change. but sadly, they just stay outside watching their country ruining day by day and at the same time, they say that this country is bad in all term (education, economy etc) without them (who are suppose to return and change the bad to good) return and try to change it.

edlina.. u taking english rite.. after this, what are u gonna b?

btw, edlina. u already got ur flight ticket?? how's the journey?? are u on MAS ??? got any transit??

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ehem..yah,english..
im thinking about broadcasting,or maybe translator..
i want to improve myself in english more..
that's what i like..well,i got a lil confuse on my career, but IPC said tht they will guide us and give more exposure..

i had discussed with Selset yesterday about my visa,medical check up and my ticket..
seems like,im going alone..
other students are going in August intake..
so my parents will go along with me..
they scared that i might lost or mybe something bad will happen.. laugh.gif
and i have to postpone my ticket from 6th to 12th April..
means, i miss my orientation..bcoz i couldn't get my visa before 6th
class start on 14th..my dad will call his agent to manage our flight ticket..
any idea which flight should i take,which is very reasonable?
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i heard, if mas, must transit at auckland.. leceh a bit.. must check in twice

many of my senior prefer spore airline to christchurch. dunno if massey..

better avoid transit..
ehmm missing orientation is the bad thing for me.. cry.gif
i missed twice orientation.. once, during my preparation..
2nd.. here in canter.. bcoz of flight sweat.gif
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QUOTE(huix @ Mar 23 2008, 10:20 AM)
Not that Malaysian education is bad. Instead, my primary school and secondary school education are done in Malaysia and I don't feel any standard difference when I was in USA for the 3rd education. Instead, our mathematic standard pwn. However, like Meng said, we ignore other talents such as leadership, music and others, which I feel it is quite crucial to find out the talents as well. Our 3rd drgree need to be re-looked at to be honest and I dont' want to raise my kid and gotta fork out 300k for their education in future (well, good STPM result doesn't guarantee what is your first choice in University...)
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just so u know, 4A flat STPM = medicine in NUS. its as good as guaranteed.
many friends that score stpm simply study in spore.
QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 23 2008, 10:41 AM)
Fantegero, I'm sorry if I was a bit harsh. I'm glad that you're willing to learn and I hope you'll take this chance you have in NZ to broaden you mind. Go out of your comfort zone and you'll be richly rewarded.
I have also experienced the school systems in both Malaysia and NZ. While we are superior in maths and science, we fall far behind in arts and social sciences. The problem with our system (whatever the subject) is that it teaches us to learn by rote and to regurgitate for exams. It doesn't encourage independent thought and questioning among the students.

I once tried to give my own opinion in BM literature analysis and got completely shot down by the teacher. Another time, I tried to question our history textbooks and the 'official' interpretation of events. At least the teacher was nice about it but it was made very clear that anything but the 'official' answer will get no marks in exams. I see these questions about how to score for BM, sejarah, whatever in this forum? The answer is really simple. Just get the textbook/reference book and memorise.

In science and maths, that's not so bad. At the basic school level, there's less room for independent thought, analysis and application. The best way to score in maths is to practice and do exercise after exercise - a good thing IMO cos the basics are really mastered. It is only at the higher levels that your own input become crucial. But for arts and social sciences, memorisation and 'accepted' answers are not the way to go. So we fall far behind. But I suppose it "doesn't matter" since only the dumb kids go the arts stream.

I did law and economics at uni (with some psychology and philosophy papers thrown in). Especially for law and philosophy - guess what my problem was? I had real difficulty scoring in exams and assignments cos my mind was constrained - a general inability to think outside the box. Ask me to tell you the law is, and I'd get it perfect. Ask me to apply it to a situation and I could do it with some adjustment. Ask me to give you a novel solution or to critique another person's analysis (necessary for an A) and I fell apart. It took me quite a while to learn to do something that came naturally to many Kiwis.
There's nothing wrong with making mistakes... that's how we learn. The key is to recognise it and move on. But people who are afraid to make mistakes will never progress. This is one of the greatest weakness of Asians, the fear of making mistakes and looking stupid/losing face.

"I am not discouraged , because every wrong attempt discarded is another step forward" - Thomas Edison

As for their confidence, that was cultivated at school right from primary school level. They are encouraged to speak out and to explore, rather than being shot down and called kurang ajar. Natural curiosity is encouraged rather than suppressed. I see it in my young cousins now and compare it to what we have.

I'm not saying everything about our system is bad in comparison. In general, our syllabus are excellent (as you said). I just think it has been abused and twisted into what it is now. The focus is on As, As, and more As. Who cares if you know what the capital of Germany is or what is going on in Tibet now? How many students even read the newspapers? Gossip and sports pages don't count. How many read non-school books? As long as you get 21 As, nothing else matters. Don't even get me started on the grade inflation syndrome...

We have created a generation of students who know nothing beyond their textbooks, tuition, exam techniques and whatever movies/pop stars that happen to interest them. In short, we created a shallow generation.

Btw I won't say the quality of teachers in Malaysia is higher. Maybe you went to one of the better schools and never had English teachers who couldn't speak English, PE teachers who didn't know the difference between netball and basketball or simply teachers who never bothered to show up for class did you? I taught myself physics and and Form 4 biology. If you count that as learning experience, it did a world of good for me since it taught me to be independent. Then again, I won't take anything away from certain excellent teachers I had in Malaysia. I have utmost respect for them.

To summarise, my problem with the Malaysian system is:
1) next to no emphasis on arts and social sciences;
2) suppressing natural curiosity and independent thought; and
3) exams, exams and exams and grade inflation.
Note that I didn't complain about the syllabus.
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1. true
2. KBKK, kemahiran berfikir secara kritis dan kreatif. its in our syllabus for all subj.
3. in the end of the day, its still exams be it in UK, NZ or even uni. at least at your foundation years.

probably ur school sux, or mine is good. but hell, time changes.
QUOTE(haya @ Mar 23 2008, 12:22 PM)
If one had to sum up Malaysian students on one paragraph, this would be it.

Not to mention being seperated by language; imcompetent in English, racist in Malay and narowminded in mandarin.

Some of my Malaysian friends call me wikipedia simply because I know what the capital of Kyrgyzstan is. They don't know who Lim Guan Eng is. Never heard of Lingam. Only Dayak's live in Sarawak, and because they're "bumiputera's" they're all Muslim. The "prime minister" of Sarawak is a Malay. But hell, ask them to write an essay on the Privy council, up comes wikipedia, textbooks and recommended reading, and they get a 5 for it.

I'm seriously not making any of these up. This is my real life.
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time changed.
least we know our local scenario.
teenagers are wearing lingam's trademark "correct Correct Correct" T-shirts.
the internet has broaden our minds.

QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 23 2008, 04:17 PM)
but what usually happen, intelligent student that went OC, they return to the country, and they tend to do their own business. make money. i mean, not many of em interested to join the authority (politic). or even worst, they stay outside the country. this more to the scholarship student. G sent them to study abroad with scholarship so thay they can return to make change. but sadly, they just stay outside watching their country ruining day by day and at the same time, they say that this country is bad in all term (education, economy etc) without them (who are suppose to return and change the bad to good) return and try to change it.
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our current gov dont send u overseas so that you come back and stop them corrupting doh.gif
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 23 2008, 06:18 PM)
i heard, if mas, must transit at auckland.. leceh a bit.. must check in twice

many of my senior prefer spore airline to christchurch. dunno if massey..

better avoid transit..
ehmm missing orientation is the bad thing for me.. cry.gif
i missed twice orientation.. once, during my preparation..
2nd.. here in canter.. bcoz of flight sweat.gif
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There is no direct flight to Palmerston North. Coming from Malaysia, EdLiNa will have to transit in either Auckland or Christchurch (plus Singapore). It makes more sense to fly direct from KL to Auckland, and then transit to Palmy. Instead of going KL-S'pore-Christchurch-Palmy, especially since Palmy is in the North Island and Chch is in the South.

But of course, a lot depends on ticket/airline prices.
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 23 2008, 06:28 PM)
just so u know, 4A flat STPM = medicine in NUS. its as good as guaranteed.
many friends that score stpm simply study in spore.

1. true
2. KBKK, kemahiran berfikir secara kritis dan kreatif. its in our syllabus for all subj.
3. in the end of the day, its still exams be it in UK, NZ or even uni. at least at your foundation years.

probably ur school sux, or mine is good. but hell, time changes.

time changed.
least we know our local scenario.
teenagers are wearing lingam's trademark "correct Correct Correct" T-shirts.
the internet has broaden our minds.
our current gov dont send u overseas so that you come back and stop them corrupting doh.gif
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then??
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 23 2008, 06:29 PM)
then??
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so u come back 2 serve them properly and be loyal to do whatever you're asked to do.
cheers, imho.
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1. true
2. KBKK, kemahiran berfikir secara kritis dan kreatif. its in our syllabus for all subj.
3. in the end of the day, its still exams be it in UK, NZ or even uni. at least at your foundation years.

probably ur school sux, or mine is good. but hell, time changes.
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2) Having things like KBKK doesn't mean anything when it's not being properly implemented. Berfikir secara kritis dan kreatif, my foot! It's just a stupid policy to point to to 'prove' that things are ok. Just like how the govt loves to point to the non-independent ACA to 'prove' that they're doing something about corruption. It means NOTHING!

3) Exams are not intrinsically bad. The problem is that in Malaysia, exams are the be-all and end-all of everything. Let's not even talk about school. Look at all the middle-class kids being forced to take piano lessons and pass Grade 8. How many of them are real musicians? How many of them love music? Most just do it to get their Grade 8 cert and that's it. Never have to touch the piano again in their lives. Their parents are happy cos they can brag about how their kids have Grade 8. How was that Grade 8 achieved? Just practice the exam pieces until they're perfected. That's not education. That's just perfecting exam techniques.

And like I said earlier, what does 21 A's actually prove? We need to recognise that there's more to education than scoring A's in exams.

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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 23 2008, 06:40 PM)
so u come back 2 serve them properly and be loyal to do whatever you're asked to do.
cheers, imho.
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well depends on personal perspective.

cheers
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 23 2008, 06:49 PM)
2) Having things like KBKK doesn't mean anything when it's not being properly implemented. Berfikir secara kritis dan kreatif, my foot! It's just a stupid policy to point to to 'prove' that things are ok. Just like how the govt loves to point to the non-independent ACA to 'prove' that they're doing something about corruption. It means NOTHING!

3) Exams are not intrinsically bad. The problem is that in Malaysia, exams are the be-all and end-all of everything. Let's not even talk about school. Look at all the middle-class kids being forced to take piano lessons and pass Grade 8. How many of them are real musicians? How many of them love music? Most just do it to get their Grade 8 cert and that's it. Never have to touch the piano again in their lives. Their parents are happy cos they can brag about how their kids have Grade 8. How was that Grade 8 achieved? Just practice the exam pieces until they're perfected. That's not education. That's just perfecting exam techniques. 

And like I said earlier, what does 21 A's actually prove? We need to recognise that there's more to education than scoring A's in exams.
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2. lol yeah! true. but after doing some course work wif some kiwis, i dont find them much more creative than us. i'd say creativity and thinking ability need not be trained. its in u.
3. say for example piano/music as stated. generally piano classes is for exposure. parents too , want their children to get exposed to more stuff. but pushing for the grades, thats to the limit. they way i see things, kids are choosing what they want. (more) i see kids inspired when going for drum lessons or even guitar classes. the classic school study eat sleep x - repeat doesnt apply anymore. at least for me and my friends, we dont lock ourselves in the room to score As. We do stuff we're interested, and yet get the As. only weak students need to study HARDCORE imo.

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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 23 2008, 06:58 PM)
2. lol yeah! true. but after doing some course work wif some kiwis, i dont find them much more creative than us. i'd say creativity and thinking ability need not be trained. its in u.
3. say for example piano/music as stated. generally piano classes is for exposure. parents too , want their children to know more stuff. but pushing for the grades, thats to the limit. they way i see things, kids are choosing what they want. (more) i see kids inspired when going for drum lessons or even guitar classes. the classic school study eat sleep x - repeat doesnt apply anymore. at least for me and my friends, we dont lock ourselves in the room to score As. We do stuff we're interested, and yet get the As. only weak students need to study HARDCORE imo.
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2) I'm not saying ALL Kiwis are creative and can think critically or that they're all superior to Malaysian students. One of my main gripes with the NZ system is how easy it is to enter university... don't even get me started on NCEA. What I'm saying is that they're far more likely to express their opinions. We Malaysians sit meekly in class and let people tell us the 'right' answer. That's cos if we were inclined to strike out independently, it was struck down at an early age. If we were not so inclined, no training or encouragement was ever provided. The fact is that our school system produces robots - excellent at memorising and regurgitating 'correct' answers. Ask some student why certain nilai moral can be extracted from an SPM BM novel and they'll probably tell you "Cos the reference book says so".

The Kiwis are also more aware of current affairs and the world around them. Maybe not what is occurring in small countries like Malaysia, but at least the major global issues - eg the US Presidential Elections, the possible coming economic crisis, the Tibet/China matter. They may not know the details but at least they have an idea of what's going on. Though I'll readily admit that they have quite a large blindspot when it comes to non-Western matters in general. At least they generally all know what's going on in their own country. I have Malaysian friends who ask me "Who's Khairy?"

3) But many kids want Grade 8 because of the prestige they perceive it gives them (thanks to parental and societal influence). When I was in Malaysia, I thought Grade 8 was really amazing... if you had it you must be a great musician. As for a Diploma, ATCL or Performance Cert etc you must really be a musical genius.

It took me less than 6 months of exposure to the ang mo way of teaching, learning and playing music to change my mind radically. I was already lucky to have a teacher in Malaysia who encouraged me to explore other areas of music and parents who didn't really care about whether I reached Grade whatever. But NZ was an eye-opener.

Btw kids who choose guitar and drum lessons tend to be a different group. Those are doing it tend to do so cos they're interested and enjoy it. It's entirely different from the piano (sometimes violin, flute and organ too) paper chase where parents start their kids on music lessons at age 5 and pressure teachers to let them skip grades, all with the aim of finishing Grade 8 as young as possible. Imagine it - the achievement of finishing Grade 8 with Distinction at only 13! Must be very good right?

As for getting A's - has it occurred to you that it is far too easy to get A's these days? Of course the top students will always get A's. But when people who consistently score 50-60% in school/trial exams suddenly end up with A's at the real thing, something is wrong.
Still, let's not go down that track for now. From what I understand, it's happening all around the world anyway.

Btw Emperor Meng, if you and your friends get good results and enjoy other broad-ranging activities, good on you. For me, I just find it disappointing when my straight A friends (who no doubt have their own interests eg anime, sports, computer games) look at me blankly when I mention the Berlin Wall. And then proceed to say I store up lots of "useless knowledge".

Sorry for the lengthy post. Guess I got a bit carried away.

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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 23 2008, 06:18 PM)
i heard, if mas, must transit at auckland.. leceh a bit.. must check in twice

many of my senior prefer spore airline to christchurch. dunno if massey..

better avoid transit..
ehmm missing orientation is the bad thing for me.. cry.gif
i missed twice orientation.. once, during my preparation..
2nd.. here in canter.. bcoz of flight sweat.gif
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there is no direct flight to Palmy..
i got some useful information from Carol Tham..
using Hong Kong Airlines (i forgot its name)
from KL-Hong KOng-Auckland-Palmy
just RM2000++
my goshhhh!!!
but i still dont know which one will be for my 'Journey to the North Island' laugh.gif
tomorrow i will do my medical check up and visa..
what a chaotic WEEK!!! yawn.gif

is that bad miss an orientation?
because Carol said tht its fine if i miss the orientation bcoz on the first day of class..
they still have like 'sesi suai kenal', ICE BREAKING (like ice ice baby.. laugh.gif)
so, no worries.. ( i hope so!!)
but yah..orientation is the best day for get to know each other.. sad.gif
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>> What I'm saying is that they're far more likely to express their opinions.

A lot has to do with their culture (or Western culture in general) rather than education. In Asian cultures we show our respects, and address people older than us as Uncle or Auntie. In NZ, people are referred to by name, regardless of age. Therefore in class or anywhere else where everyone is "equal", one is more likely to freely express opinions.


Added on March 24, 2008, 1:10 am
>> is that bad miss an orientation?

Do you drink beer? If not, you are not going to miss much. biggrin.gif



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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 23 2008, 06:18 PM)
i heard, if mas, must transit at auckland.. leceh a bit.. must check in twice

many of my senior prefer spore airline to christchurch. dunno if massey..

better avoid transit..
ehmm missing orientation is the bad thing for me.. cry.gif
i missed twice orientation.. once, during my preparation..
2nd.. here in canter.. bcoz of flight sweat.gif
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 23 2008, 06:29 PM)
There is no direct flight to Palmerston North. Coming from Malaysia, EdLiNa will have to transit in either Auckland or Christchurch (plus Singapore). It makes more sense to fly direct from KL to Auckland, and then transit to Palmy. Instead of going KL-S'pore-Christchurch-Palmy, especially since Palmy is in the North Island and Chch is in the South.

But of course, a lot depends on ticket/airline prices.
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While both options are okay, I suggest that you seriously considering going through Christchurch(CHC). One of the problems with Auckland is that the domestic and international terminals are seperate, so getting from one to the other will be a problem, as AFAIK they can't check through your luggage for you all the way to Palmy. I suppose people flying AK will be used to it...................

In CHC everything is contained in one nice building.


QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 23 2008, 06:28 PM)
time changed.
least we know our local scenario.
teenagers are wearing lingam's trademark "correct Correct Correct" T-shirts.
the internet has broaden our minds.
our current gov dont send u overseas so that you come back and stop them corrupting doh.gif
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I only wish the internet could broaden their minds. More often than not however, they simply use the internet to live in their own bubble world, pimping out their friendster profile, poking everyone on Facebook, goth'ing their MySpace, talking about porn, they know all the soccer forums, but don't know who Jeff Ooi is, and closer to home, have you seen the number of threads from post-STPM and Diploma holders from TARC who are pleading for help here?

Oh, and while the government does send out people to "broaden their mind", I want those MARA scholars, after their minds are open, to come back and do what I paid them to do!

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2) I'm not saying ALL Kiwis are creative and can think critically or that they're all superior to Malaysian students. One of my main gripes with the NZ system is how easy it is to enter university... don't even get me started on NCEA. What I'm saying is that they're far more likely to express their opinions. We Malaysians sit meekly in class and let people tell us the 'right' answer. That's cos if we were inclined to strike out independently, it was struck down at an early age. If we were not so inclined, no training or encouragement was ever provided. The fact is that our school system produces robots - excellent at memorising and regurgitating 'correct' answers. Ask some student why certain nilai moral can be extracted from an SPM BM novel and they'll probably tell you "Cos the reference book says so".

The Kiwis are also more aware of current affairs and the world around them. Maybe not what is occurring in small countries like Malaysia, but at least the major global issues - eg the US Presidential Elections, the possible coming economic crisis, the Tibet/China matter. They may not know the details but at least they have an idea of what's going on. Though I'll readily admit that they have quite a large blindspot when it comes to non-Western matters in general. At least they generally all know what's going on in their own country. I have Malaysian friends who ask me "Who's Khairy?"
1) I'm a product of NCEA (don't ask), and personally the whole debate between NCEA and A levels is simply moot. I've never seen Bursary, so I can't say on this matter, but for all the flaws of NCEA, I'd say it is better in preparing people for the real world and university at the same time.

2)Getting into NZ uni's may be easy, but staying in there is another thing. Undergrads for law, while everyone is accepted in at 1st year, they trim you down by second year. For some numbers, Auckland U takes in close to 1000 students for Law every year, but about only 300-400 will only progress to second year. And this is a trend repeated over all NZ uni's. I admit, this is partially in responce to the weaknesses of NCEA however.

And even in "we don't filter you after 1st year" Computer Science, people are dropping like flies. In Canterbury University, about 500 CS students were admitted in 2006. Here in 2008, only 110 brave souls survive from that cohort.

Easy to get in, hard to stay put. The merits and disadvantages are another topic for another day.

3)I've noticed that newspaper penetration is very high in both Australia and NZ, compared to M'sia. Yes, there is a serious blind spot on non-western matters (or matters which the west has to meddle in), but most people are well informed on generally that is happening in NZ, which is crucial in a Responsible Government system. I suppose that is also one of the strengths of a mono-lingual society.

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Btw Emperor Meng, if you and your friends get good results and enjoy other broad-ranging activities, good on you. For me, I just find it disappointing when my straight A friends (who no doubt have their own interests eg anime, sports, computer games) look at me blankly when I mention the Berlin Wall. And then proceed to say I store up lots of "useless knowledge".

Sorry for the lengthy post. Guess I got a bit carried away.
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Welcome to the gang. They all look at me like I'm from Mars (and sometimes I'm convinced I am) when I bang on about the M'sian education system vs the Singaporean education system.

Sadly, in M'sia, anything outside academic use and soccer, is useless knowledge.
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edlina.. i'm sure malaysian gonna have dance club there.. dont forget to join.. let them know we got culture. this is the time u learn something new, and if u already know.. heheh share the knowledge with the new comer.

talent is something if u r there.. got talent nite la, gala nite la.. heheh time to shine rclxm9.gif

sweat.gif just got back from practice.
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Oh, and while the government does send out people to "broaden their mind", I want those MARA scholars, after their minds are open, to come back and do what I paid them to do!
1) I'm a product of NCEA (don't ask), and personally the whole debate between NCEA and A levels is simply moot. I've never seen Bursary, so I can't say on this matter, but for all the flaws of NCEA, I'd say it is better in preparing people for the real world and university at the same time.

2)Getting into NZ uni's may be easy, but staying in there is another thing. Undergrads for law, while everyone is accepted in at 1st year, they trim you down by second year. For some numbers, Auckland U takes in close to 1000 students for Law every year, but about only 300-400 will only progress to second year. And this is a trend repeated over all NZ uni's. I admit, this is partially in responce to the weaknesses of NCEA however.

And even in "we don't filter you after 1st year" Computer Science, people are dropping like flies. In Canterbury University, about 500 CS students were admitted in 2006. Here in 2008, only 110 brave souls survive from that cohort.

Easy to get in, hard to stay put. The merits and disadvantages are another topic for another day.

3)I've noticed that newspaper penetration is very high in both Australia and NZ, compared to M'sia. Yes, there is a serious blind spot on non-western matters (or matters which the west has to meddle in), but most people are well informed on generally that is happening in NZ, which is crucial in a Responsible Government system. I suppose that is also one of the strengths of a mono-lingual society.
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1) Whoa! You're a product of NCEA? I didn't realise you're that young. There I was thinking Haya is a couple of years older than me. tongue.gif

I did Bursary, the second last batch to do so. I haven't experienced A'levels so it's no point of comparison for me. My biggest problems with NCEA (my brother was in the first batch) is that it doesn't distinguish the very good from there merely good and average. It recognises the extremely good through the Scholarship papers and Excellance grades (extremely difficult to get) but the Merit grade category is far too wide. The lack of percentage grades means that it's difficult to distinguish who is the best among the top students - a real problem when you consider the huge monetary awards given to the best.

It's also ridiculous that you can get all the Excellence questions and Merit questions right (or at least enough to get those grades) but get an overall Not Achieve because you messed up on one Achieve question too many. It's also far to easy to get an Achieve. Just finish the Achieve questions (less than 50% of the paper) and leave the other questions blank and you'll pass. Sorry, I mean Achieve.

Also, lately the matter of 'cheating' has been raised - how schools selectively remark papers to raise results and all that. Some teachers were telling me that their recommendation for guidelines on the remarking/resitting of papers has yet to be taken on board.

The other issue is that it doesn't show "failures". If you fail a paper (Not Achieve), it won't show in your final results. The logic - employers and unis don't need to know what was Not Achieved, all they need to know is what was Achieved. No matter if 70% was Not Achieve.

2) Agreed that staying in is a problem for some people. Poeple who shouldn't be in in the first place. Passing courses and graduating with a degree is actually ridiculously easy. It only take a certain amount of work - attending lectures, tutorials and doing a little revision. Admittedly, getting good grades isn't but then it's not easy anywhere. I'll grant that it does depend on the course, there's a certain truth in the fact that Arts and Commerce degrees tend to be easier, at least to pass.

As for the merits and disadvantages, I'll only say one thing - is it truly a good use of resources to subsidise so many students who'll never graduate in the first place? It's costing the govt millions to pay for kids who don't know what to do with their lives, sign up for a random course, have a good time and flunk out.

3) Agreed. Then again, having newspapers is one thing. Actually reading them is another.
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Added on March 24, 2008, 1:10 am
>> is that bad miss an orientation?

Do you drink beer? If not, you are not going to miss much.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(haya @ Mar 24 2008, 08:29 AM)
2)Getting into NZ uni's may be easy, but staying in there is another thing. Undergrads for law, while everyone is accepted in at 1st year, they trim you down by second year. For some numbers, Auckland U takes in close to 1000 students for Law every year, but about only 300-400 will only progress to second year. And this is a trend repeated over all NZ uni's. I admit, this is partially in responce to the weaknesses of NCEA however.

And even in "we don't filter you after 1st year" Computer Science, people are dropping like flies. In Canterbury University, about 500 CS students were admitted in 2006. Here in 2008, only 110 brave souls survive from that cohort.

Easy to get in, hard to stay put. The merits and disadvantages are another topic for another day.
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whats so hard to stay put? NZ uni always help you to pass , but try to avoid you getting to good results practical or academic.
and btw, i heard for law, there is no more reducing in student for following year 2. starting this yr if im not mistaken.
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 24 2008, 08:49 AM)
edlina.. i'm sure malaysian gonna have dance club there.. dont forget to join.. let them know we got culture. this is the time u learn something new, and if u already know.. heheh share the knowledge with the new comer.

talent is something if u r there.. got talent nite la, gala nite la.. heheh time to shine rclxm9.gif

sweat.gif just got back from practice.
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you mean, zapin and all that?
i was a zapin dancer, was long long time ago,lol
i can dance, (a lil) Xp
sure, i'll not stinky to share something with others,esp our msia ppl..

whooaaa..you just got back from practice..
(try to imagine the way you dance..)
are you a good dancer? haha laugh.gif
kidding,man! no offence..
so how's your practice..?
must be really fun, enjoy the dance

anyway,may i know, how old are you?


Added on March 24, 2008, 9:37 pmaiyoo..sorry,wrong word..

*not stinky,but stingy..haha!

i am not stink, AT ALL!! laugh.gif

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huhuuh kene paksa actually.. but hey.. if it not us, who else..

great.. if u know a lil bit about zapin.. from johor??

ehm.. i wonder, why some students always isolate themselves with another malaysian.. i mean.. it's good to make new friend other than our own Malaysian, it's good to mingle around.. but some of em up to the extend, they act not like malaysian anymore.. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 24 2008, 08:46 PM)
and btw, i heard for law, there is no more reducing in student for following year 2. starting this yr  if im not mistaken.
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Unfortunately EmperorMeng, it doesn't seem so, or else I would go back there in a heartbeat (subject to terms and conditions through).

References:
http://www.law.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/law/for/...s/selection.cfm
http://www.canterbury.ac.nz/courses/undergrad/llb.shtml
http://www.otago.ac.nz/courses/qualifications/llb.html

QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 25 2008, 05:34 AM)
ehm.. i wonder, why some students always isolate themselves with another malaysian.. i mean.. it's good to make new friend other than our own Malaysian, it's good to mingle around.. but some of em up to the extend, they act not like malaysian anymore.. sweat.gif
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I don't see what's the problem. Some people will want to settle down in nz on a long term basis. The sooner they adapt to the system and environment, the better.

Not everyone's future in M'sia is as bright as yours y'know.
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QUOTE(haya @ Mar 25 2008, 09:35 AM)
Unfortunately EmperorMeng, it doesn't seem so, or else I would go back there in a heartbeat (subject to terms and conditions through).

References:
http://www.law.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/law/for/...s/selection.cfm
http://www.canterbury.ac.nz/courses/undergrad/llb.shtml
http://www.otago.ac.nz/courses/qualifications/llb.html

I don't see what's the problem. Some people will want to settle down in nz on a long term basis. The sooner they adapt to the system and environment, the better.

Not everyone's future in M'sia is as bright as yours y'know.
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QUOTE(haya @ Mar 25 2008, 09:35 AM)
I don't see what's the problem. Some people will want to settle down in nz on a long term basis. The sooner they adapt to the system and environment, the better.

Not everyone's future in M'sia is as bright as yours y'know.
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I guess it depends. It's good to adapt and assimilate to a certain extent. But I draw a line at those who become white-washed and look down on their fellow Malaysians/Asians. You do not need to become pseudo white to settle down and become a successful and contributing member of the community.

Chinese have been in NZ for more than a century. Most maintain culture and their Chinese identity. That doesn't make them any less Kiwi (though I suppose to certain sections of society, anybody not Maori and Pakeha should "go home").

It's funny how those whose families have been here for generations, those born here or those who came here very young (pre-school) are the most comfortable with who they are and their Asian roots. It's the later and older migrants who seem to feel they have to behave 'white' to fit in and look cool. Of course, this doesn't not include the ones who stick to their own communities and refuse to learn more than a few words of English.
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Act not like Malaysian? Mind to elaborate more???

As in drink beers as much as the kiwis or whatever? Just wanna know if I'm acting like one.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 25 2008, 10:39 AM)
I guess it depends. It's good to adapt and assimilate to a certain extent. But I draw a line at those who become white-washed and look down on their fellow Malaysians/Asians. You do not need to become pseudo white to settle down and become a successful and contributing member of the community.

Chinese have been in NZ for more than a century. Most maintain culture and their Chinese identity. That doesn't make them any less Kiwi (though I suppose to certain sections of society, anybody not Maori and Pakeha should "go home").

It's funny how those whose families have been here for generations, those born here or those who came here very young (pre-school) are the most comfortable with who they are and their Asian roots. It's the later and older migrants who seem to feel they have to behave 'white' to fit in and look cool. Of course, this doesn't not include the ones who stick to their own communities and refuse to learn more than a few words of English.
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Did you watch "Here to Stay" (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/536641/1160701)on TV2 last year? Specifically the Chinese bit. I found it interesting.

You're right on your observation through. I suppose its the fact that when one is cut off from their original culture, and to compensate for it they try to fit in to 'white' culture, simply because its a white nation here.

Mahathir documented this very well in this book "The Malay Dilema", when once immigrants are assimilated into the nation (he used the US of A as his example), it is the (former) immigrants who become more zealous than the locals in protecting their new national identity, even "look down on their fellow Malaysians/Asians". At the end of the day, we have to move on from the face/country card. One may have originated from M'sia, but when one is as good as a kiwi in speech, thought and outlook, the ties of the "nation" no longer bind.
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QUOTE(haya @ Mar 25 2008, 01:51 PM)
Did you watch "Here to Stay" (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/536641/1160701)on TV2 last year? Specifically the Chinese bit. I found it interesting.

You're right on your observation through. I suppose its the fact that when one is cut off from their original culture, and to compensate for it they try to fit in to 'white' culture, simply because its a white nation here.

Mahathir documented this very well in this book "The Malay Dilema", when once immigrants are assimilated into the nation (he used the US of A as his example), it is the (former) immigrants who become more zealous than the locals in protecting their new national identity, even "look down on their fellow Malaysians/Asians". At the end of the day, we have to move on from the face/country card. One may have originated from M'sia, but when one is as good as a kiwi in speech, thought and outlook, the ties of the "nation" no longer bind.
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Unfortunately I didn't catch the show. What was interesting about it?

You have a point about assimilation and defending the new identity.
I should "The Malay Dilemma" sometime. Never managed to get past the first few pages.

However in some cases, it's merely childish behaviour trying to fit in and look cool. Case in point, my cousins. They don't seem to realise you can have Kiwis friends, be successful and well-adjusted without having to speak with a stupid fake accent and dissing everything Asian as backward and stupid. It's nothing to do with protecting the new identity. All this time of projecting the cool, white image and their Kiwi friends are poking fun at them behind their backs for pretending to be something they're not.

What I find most interesting is that the Kiwi Asians, the once who've been here the longest and are the most Kiwi, are just in touch with their Asianess as people in Asia. Sure they might not speak Chinese (most are Chinese) but they're proud of who they are. Not in the narrow-minded Azn Power type but in being self-assured and comfortable in their own skin. They just don't see a need to be whiter than white.
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 25 2008, 05:34 AM)
huhuuh kene paksa actually.. but hey.. if it not us, who else..

great.. if u know a lil bit about zapin.. from johor??

ehm.. i wonder, why some students always isolate themselves with another malaysian.. i mean.. it's good to make new friend other than our own Malaysian, it's good to mingle around.. but some of em up to the extend, they act not like malaysian anymore.. sweat.gif
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last time..
was born there and lived for about 15 years..
then went to KL, start my Form 4 in KL..
then now, move to bangi pulak..huhu.
and going to fly to NZ..haha!
when i was in JB, i learn zapin dancing..it was fun..

Well you know, when people around us are different..
we might change to be like the others..
it's not that bad, if you can still keep your agama kuat-kuat,y'know..
and dont do such bad things..
i hope i can stand it..sure i will!
pray for me.. =)
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Mar 25 2008, 03:07 PM)
Unfortunately I didn't catch the show. What was interesting about it?

You have a point about assimilation and defending the new identity.
I should "The Malay Dilemma" sometime. Never managed to get past the first few pages.

However in some cases, it's merely childish behaviour trying to fit in and look cool. Case in point, my cousins. They don't seem to realise you can have Kiwis friends, be successful and well-adjusted without having to speak with a stupid fake accent and dissing everything Asian as backward and stupid. It's nothing to do with protecting the new identity. All this time of projecting the cool, white image and their Kiwi friends are poking fun at them behind their backs for pretending to be something they're not.

What I find most interesting is that the Kiwi Asians, the once who've been here the longest and are the most Kiwi, are just in touch with their Asianess as people in Asia. Sure they might not speak Chinese (most are Chinese) but they're proud of who they are. Not in the narrow-minded Azn Power type but in being self-assured and comfortable in their own skin. They just don't see a need to be whiter than white.
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Fake accent, this is something that I am trying very hard to prevent. Unfortunately, like most of my mates, I tend to mimic their accent. It's beyond my control, but surprisingly towards Malaysians, my Malaysian accent and slang comes back. I am also trying very hard to reduce me Malaysian slang.
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 25 2008, 05:34 AM)
huhuuh kene paksa actually.. but hey.. if it not us, who else..

great.. if u know a lil bit about zapin.. from johor??

ehm.. i wonder, why some students always isolate themselves with another malaysian.. i mean.. it's good to make new friend other than our own Malaysian, it's good to mingle around.. but some of em up to the extend, they act not like malaysian anymore.. sweat.gif
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you know something?
someone from my office told me (he's graduated from Canada)

"don't be too close with msian ppl, avoid them..be friend with other international students.if you still with msian ppl,better you just study in msia..not wasting your money"

well,well,well..i don't really agree with him..
i think,most people out there who didn't join any Msia society & isolate themselves were got adviced from that man! laugh.gif
im not saying we must be in Msia group all the time..
but, at least join some of Msian group will make us more comfortable..right?

for that...
you know, PEOPLE!

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it's true.. nothing wrong if we want to mingle more with the locals, just that, give support to malaysian society there. If u r planning to apply for pr.. well,, it's up to you..

sometime, not just they dont give support, even worst, they look down on other malaysian as well. sweat.gif

u dont have problem if u r non-muslim, and choose not to mingle with other malaysian at all. because u dont have to know about where to get the food, when got yasin, where got usrah and stuff..

i've seen many muslim from the other country, they just buy chicken and meat from the supermarket. man.. i regret that i'm not brave enough to ask them. i take it they dont know where to buy the halal one yet.
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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 25 2008, 09:32 PM)
you know something?
someone from my office told me (he's graduated from Canada)

"don't be too close with msian ppl, avoid them..be friend with other international students.if you still with msian ppl,better you just study in msia..not wasting your money"

well,well,well..i don't really agree with him..
i think,most people out there who didn't join any Msia society & isolate themselves were got adviced from that man! laugh.gif
im not saying we must be in Msia group all the time..
but, at least join some of Msian group will make us more comfortable..right?

for that...
you know, PEOPLE!
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Actually, it depends on how you perceive it. I do think that your office mate is trying very hard to avoid them, which is not necessary, but again, mixing with fellow Malaysians usually means that you won't get the chance to mix with the locals in NZ, which I thought it's extremely sad, but true. I came here with my partner and with no other friends at all, met with a couple of Malaysians here in NZ who are also new to the country, they treat kiwis as pure acquaintance, nothing more...not to mention people from other countries. Yes, you'll feel more comfortable, but what's the point of studying overseas if so?

There's also a general stereotypical mindset that Malaysian Organization or whatever you call them are full of Malays, naive actually to be honest. So what??? Not racism to be honest, but like you said...mixing with your fellow countrymen makes you more comfortable. Utter bull crap if you ask me. My best Malaysian mate is now a Malay girl who shares the same mindset as me. She even told me that Malays think that she's 'Sombong' just because she mixes with people from other ethnic origin. Same goes to me where I join the Americans for occasional Texas Hold'em, Kiwis for touch rugby and basketball...My so-called Malaysian friends start to think that I am a snob for not joining them for clubbing sessions.

Worst of all, just because of a case or two of racist chants from the drunkards on the streets, they started saying bad things about the Kiwis and even proudly mention about how they screwed Caucasians when they were back in Malaysia. There was a day when me and my partner was watching movie in the common room, full of Kiwis, one of them came in and speak Chinese to us in a loud tone. I have no problem with that, but while watching movie? And speaking your native language in a loud manner? Spare some thoughts please.


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QUOTE(fantagero @ Mar 26 2008, 04:50 AM)
it's true.. nothing wrong if we want to mingle more with the locals, just that, give support to malaysian society there. If u r planning to apply for pr.. well,, it's up to you..

sometime, not just they dont give support, even worst, they look down on other malaysian as well. sweat.gif

u dont have problem if u r non-muslim, and choose not to mingle with other malaysian at all. because u dont have to know about where to get the food, when got yasin, where got usrah and stuff..

i've seen many muslim from the other country, they just buy chicken and meat from the supermarket. man.. i regret that i'm not brave enough to ask them. i take it they dont know where to buy the halal one yet.
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erm, just something to add on, I've met with a few Muslims from Oman, Indonesia as well as Pakistan. Even though they pray and do pay attention to some religious views, most of them aren't exactly religious as well. I guess that's why they don't bother to buy meats from halal places. Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no problem with your religion, I'm just sharing my thoughts.

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