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limeuu
post Jun 26 2007, 12:39 AM

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post Sep 1 2007, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Sep 1 2007, 10:29 AM)
wat u guys do on merdeka? play negaraku? sweat.gif
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negarakuku?............ blush.gif
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post Sep 18 2007, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(wornbook @ Sep 18 2007, 08:12 AM)
I know. But it isnt that from what I've seen. Recognition doesn't automatically mean it's a great course. Aus recognises about every NZ course anyway and vice versa. Though I see why a guaranteed place is assuring for an international student.

Any what do you mean by "better" recommendation or advice?
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a "guaranteed" place is EXTREMELY reassuring for an international student...........

the system in au and otage is all eligible students (including full fees paying international students) goes into 1st year "health science" and then depending on your 1st year results, will then get chosen for the respective health science courses, eg medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, physiotherapy, nursing etc.........

imagine paying fees for 1 year, spend 1 year of you life, and at the end find you CANNOT continue in the course of your choice............

if you don't want to take a chance in otago, aut is okay.........in fact, for technical fields, technical universities like aut are more practical and hands on than the main universities, which are more theoritical................
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post Oct 3 2007, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Oct 3 2007, 05:11 PM)
Guys, wanna ask bout studying in Otago. Isit easy to get into medicine course there compare to other U in australia or in nz? Otago is certainly one choice of mine. hehe, do gimme some advice ^^ Thanks alot.
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thought you've decided to go to oz?

there is NO easy way to get into medicine in the developed world..........

nz is not good for international students, as their system is an open health sciences 1st year, and selection to continue in 2nd year medicine based on the 1st year results..........so they may take in 1000 students, and only the top 200 goes on to medicine, the rest do other health related courses like dentistry, pharmacy, physio, nursing etc..............

so you take your chances........and i know people who failed to get into 2nd year medicine, and quited and returned to start again in imu............

it is very competitive............you may be top student in your class now, but when you go do, say, sam at taylors, you find you are in the middle of the class.............and when you start health science, you may be at the bottom of the class............

not advisable for full fees paying international students............unless you have nz pr............
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post Oct 3 2007, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(wornbook @ Oct 3 2007, 06:00 PM)
More like 1500 students (the numbers increase each year) and 150 med school places - at least for Otago. Note that some of the 150 places go to graduate students. The numbers for international students are also different because of the quotas. Say they admit 30 international students into 2nd year each year. Of those 30, a large majority of places are taken up by pre-approved govt scholars based on agreement between their respective govts and the uni. That leaves a handful, and I mean a handful, for private fee-paying international students.

On IMU, neither Otago nor Auckland allow unsuccessful health science students to enter their clinical schools from IMU. You only get one shot at it, unless you try for graduate entry.
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thanks for the current figures, i was referring to auckland figures of a few years ago...........

yes, and oz also do NOT allow oz prs from twinning back into oz med schools after imu..........but you can still go to uk, canada, us................
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in the developed world, students choose which uni to go to, except for medicine, where the uni will choose you, and you go anywhere you are chosen............and many will NOT be chosen, even if they have very good results and tons of money........

in the third world, you can still choose which medical school to go to, because you can still buy a medical education............facts of life..........

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post Oct 4 2007, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(wornbook @ Oct 4 2007, 07:09 AM)
It's probably cos the partner uni won't accept PRs in the first place. After all, the reason why they open their doors to twinning students is for the $$$. If you're a PR, they won't get the $$$.

But that wasn't what I was referring to. What I meant was - if you tried getting entry from first year health science and failed, then went back to IMU, they won't let you twin back. Even if you're an international student. I guess I didn't make myself clear enough.
it is not the money.........even if you are willing to pay full fees as a pr, they will still not accept...........

it is simply because this is considered a backdoor entry, and they do NOT like people whom they have rejected, to go through alternative pathways and re-enter their system........

you must understand that these countries assess and select their to-be doctors VERY carefully, and they have NO shortage of candidates to choose from............

the situation is the reverse in malaysia, where there are LOTs of backdoors, and selections are done based NOT on the best student for the sake of the people, but on racial quotas, and how much money you parents have..............sad, but true.............

and don't any blockhead come and accuse me of being racist again, i am ONLY stating the obvious defacto situation..............

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post Oct 4 2007, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(wornbook @ Oct 4 2007, 10:40 AM)
I agree with your sentiments on medical schools. But with respect, I think you've gotten two situations confused.
1) A PR has never set foot in the university before, never attempted health science and applied for med school, an was therefore never rejected (obviously I'm referring to NZ unis here). He goes through IMU but is rejected by that uni.
--- This is as much for financial reasons as much as maintenance of standards. Note that it is not entirely a back-door  route, unless you think that all IMU students get in through the back-door (lots of locals do actually).

2) A student, whether PR or international, fails to enter med school through the health sci route goes to IMU. That is definitely back-door entry, which I believe is what the unis to prevent.
--- This is maintenance of standards.

The sad thing is, it is not entirely true that you cannot buy a med degree in an developed country. That is pretty much what govts are doing when they form an agreement with the unis to send their students over here. In Otago, the average cut-off point for 2nd year med is in the high 80s. Govt scholars (whether from Malaysia, Saudi, Fiji etc) can get in as long as their health sci grades do not fall below 70%. Some are even accepted into 2nd year med BEFORE starting health sci. I know this guy who was given a telephone interview and a place by the uni before  flying over. That said, he deserved his place as he averaged 93% in health sci that year. Not so for other scholars. So you can see why there's some jealousy going on - between locals and internationals, and between private-paying and govt-sponsored internationals, and then between students who got in the standard way and IMU students.
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you are not getting my meaning.............

you must consider these students in two separate cohorts...........the home students (ie citizens, and prs) who will be selected and trained to serve the health care needs of the country...........

and the international foreign cohort, who are selected (like you said, often by the sending country, and with lower entry requirements) and trained to RETURN TO THEIR ORIGINAL COUNTRY and serve their own countries (they have no right to stay on and work, they can of course eventually stay and apply for pr status, but that is another story)...........

therefore there are two different sets of conditions and considerations, and i am referring to the first cohort..........ie those with pr's in the country, who will have right to stay on and work there...........so whether you have applied or not to the home programme, as long as you have a pr, you are excluded from imu twinning pathway..........because that is considered a backdoor, as they have NOT formally assessed you to see if you qualify to enter directly into the home programme, and everybody knows the international/twinning selection process is not as stringent............

so the bottom line is, NO you cannot buy a medical education in these countries if you are resident there, but they don't mind selling some places to foreign governments and rich students for money..............and even then, the direct entry ful fees international places (NOT the gov to gov places) are VERY competitive (ter 97 and above in oz), and most who gets in would have qualified by any reasonable standards.............
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post Jan 22 2008, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(fantagero @ Jan 22 2008, 12:42 AM)
i know.. just the keyboard at the cyber cafe sucks big time.. sorry,...

ehmm TT takes 3 days rite to get here...
the hsbc thing i mention.. just for precaution.. maybe i'm in rush need the money to transfer rite away.. that's what i;m thinking..

hohoh got the traveler's cheuques  edy.. tongue.gif

once arrive there,, sure can open bank and cash all the cheques.

rclxub.gif how to spell cheque??
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traveller's cheques is a very expensive (and obsolete nowadays) way of transferring money across borders......you will easily loose 2-3% in exchange loss and transaction fees........

tt (telegraphic transfer) is a quick way of transferring money, usually in 1-2 days, but also incur a very high charge, from both the sending, and receiving ends..........only use this in an emergency.....

the most cost-effective non-urgent way to transfer big sums is by bank drafts (or demand drafts)...... incurs minimal charges buying, and zero charge receiving, when deposited into an account.....that's how we transfer our funds...........

for small amounts, especially during travels/visits, use your msian bankcard with either plus or cirrus facility to withdraw money at foreign atm.......instant cash, small charge only.......but of course limited by the limits of atm withdrawals allowed..........
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post Jan 22 2008, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(wornbook @ Jan 22 2008, 06:53 AM)
'Cheque' is fine. Unless you want to go American, then it's 'check'. Since you're coming to NZ, better use 'cheque'.  smile.gif

HSBC might be convenient (provided you can do a direct transfer across borders) but if there isn't a branch in Christchurch, it won't help much in an emergency. A better precaution would be to just watch your spending so your account balance never drops too low.

I like ASB's interest rates but from the point of view of a student (with few savings), it gets a little inconvenient. I don't know about in Canterbury, but there's no ASB ATM/branch near the Auckland Uni campus. If you need $$$ or to do banking, you'll have to walk a distance. It's not THAT far, but it sure isn't convenient. It was the same in Otago - had to take a ten min walk to town to get anything done. And then there's the difficulty of finding ATMs when you're travelling, especially in smaller towns. There's always EFTPOS but sometimes you will need cash.

Let's not even get started on HSBC... National and BNZ are by far the most convenient. Plus National Bank offers 7.75% for their Online Account. rclxms.gif

Btw, if you really want to take advantage of high interest rates, open a foreign currency account in Malaysia. Our banks are offering interest rates as high as 8+% for fixed deposits in NZD. The advantage is interest isn't taxed in Malaysia. If only I had enough cash to make that worthwhile...
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there is a cash out facility when you pay by eftpos payment, so you can always top up your cash reserve during a purchase.

note that when you convert rm to nz$, you incur exchange losses........and subject to exchange fluctuations........if you are sending over to spend, that is okay, but if you keep in msia, for the high interest, and eventually intend to covert back to rm.......beware.......you may actually loose money if the nz$ drops........

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post Feb 27 2008, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Feb 27 2008, 02:21 AM)
NZ gov. for PR & citizenz
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then you are NOT an international fees paying student, but a home student........completely different ballgame......
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post Mar 17 2008, 08:55 AM

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nz is one of the most transparent countries, i think second only to norway......so if i work there, and pay the high taxes, at least i know most of it will be put to good use in terms of good public services, eg the many free libraries there........
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post Mar 20 2008, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 19 2008, 10:35 PM)
wow! why NZ's tax is so high?
all your earnings just waste on the tax..  moneyflies.gif
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that is called a socialised welfare state........you tax money is not wasted but goes into public services which you enjoy for free or minimal charge, eg healthcare, education, libraries, subsidised public transport, old age pension, unemployment benefits etc........

you will understand all this next time when your children grows up into uni, and when you grow old and need medical care..........

but it is a concept probably foreign to some segments of msian society who are used to enjoy these perks without the need to pay high taxes........

or you prefer to be tax moderately highly, have you tax money wasted by politicians on useless projects or bailing out failing business ventures or just plain old 'leakages', need to spend a fortune on private education for your children, and go bankrupt when you fall sick, like in some countries........

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post Mar 20 2008, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 20 2008, 09:23 AM)
ok..now i understand..it just like singapore..
they have to pay tax higher bcoz it s for the facilities and all..
that s why singapore is really clean and well-regulated..
i see..  nod.gif


Added on March 20, 2008, 9:26 ambut i heard public trnsport in NZ is quite expensive..
how come?


Added on March 20, 2008, 9:44 amfor those muslim students study in NZ (esp fantagero)
HAPPY MAULIDUR RASUL!!
today is holiday..huhu!    cool.gif
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eh....wrong example......taxes in spore are lower than msia.......and it's ruled by ppp......pay , pay, pay.........spore is NOT a welfare state.......

cleanliness and regulation has little to do with taxes lah......
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post Mar 21 2008, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 21 2008, 01:38 PM)
ohh yah..i forgot..
i heard from Selset that today is Easter Day..
yes yes!

maybe just bring my own moisturizer..
if it's nnot suitable there,i just buy another one..

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Added on March 21, 2008, 1:45 pm
sure i will..wherever it is..must be around our msian ppl..
that we can really trust and rely on...
so it will be easy when it comes HARI RAYA DAY...waaaaa!! without my family..
my first raya being alone..    cry.gif

hey, i just get back from shopping my things..
and also bought some rempah and kari..  smile.gif
nice one!

hey, how hot is it in NZ?
is it dry hot? or is it hot than msia?  (???)
is it summer time?
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Good Friday, not 'easter day'.......and sunday will be easter sunday......maybe you need to visit sabah or sarawak (domestic tourism mah) to learn these things......today is a ph there too.........
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post Mar 21 2008, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 21 2008, 01:52 PM)
hmmm? what's the difference between GOOD & EASTER?
i heard she said EASTER DAY... (whatever..)
ok,what is that actually?
every friday and sunday are holiday?
or just today?


Added on March 21, 2008, 1:53 pmwhat is ph?
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that is a sign of the utter failure of the msian education, that while so much of school history is islamic history, malay/muslims know so little about other religions and cultures.........
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post Mar 21 2008, 03:46 PM

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the difference is, they live in a 90% christian country........

malaysia has almost 50% non muslims, mostly christians in the borneo states, and yet, political expediency decides that must not be known openly......

kiwi schools studies comparative religions in school.........and that is all.......any other religious instructions (whatever religion) is outside the formal school curriculum........and an individual choice.....

i don't have to explain the situation in msia........
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post Mar 21 2008, 07:58 PM

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okay guys, the point has been made, we are all aware of the shortcomings of the politicised msian education system.......it to an individual's disadvantage if he/she is ignorant of the world around him/her, so it is up to the individual to realise that and correct the deficiency........so let's let it rest now, okay?..........
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post Mar 22 2008, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(<EdLiNa> @ Mar 22 2008, 04:06 PM)
is our education system that bad?
until you want to grow your kids and be an NZ citizen..
okay..why malaysia didnt change their system to be more better anyway?
they say,they keep improving the system and all that..

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edlina, you have a lot to learn........hopefully, now that you are in nz, and not subject to the propaganda, you will open you eyes to the world, and to injustice in your own country.......read between the lines.....it's NOT just about education........
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generally, there are wide variations in muslim practices in different parts of the world, and many muslims from other parts of the world are not as strict as msian muslims......don't flame me, this is a fact, and if you have mixed with a broad spectrum of nationalities, you will agree with me......it's the same for other religions as well........

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