You're talking about abused, I'm talking about God prospering his people, across the border. 2 different matters.

your concern is legitimate but that does not mean we should stop the truth of scripture, If God does indeed prosper then that is the truth.

Why do you need to confound the 2 and make it wrong? If the act of abusing, that is wrong, then address and attend to that specific matter of abused. Don't just because there is abused, you completely stop the truth of what God does. Don't you think that is wrong too?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 19 2017, 09:09 AM

Good for you Sophie, see you're picking up! Keep pushing forward!

One way to look at biblical prosperity is from the Lord's prayer. Jesus told us to pray in this way, 'give us this day our daily bread'.

I believe God promised to take care of all our basic physical needs, with bread symbolic of all basic necessities.

Jesus also told us to not store treasures on earth but in heaven. He already gave us the best gift ever, salvation. Throughout the bible we see poor and rich christians, the rich are supposed to help the poor.

He can bless us with plenty, as long as you work hard and honour Him. Its revolting when those preachers can tell us to demand prosperity from God.

I think that scripture is taken out of context if you say do not store up treasure on earth....do you have a bank account?

Because if you do, then you are storing treasure...on earth.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 19 2017, 09:43 AM

Of course this is not about literally storing some money in a bank account, you have some humour

But to demand prosperity from God is to store treasures on earth isnt it?

Just want to add, the proverb says, (God) do not give me do much that I forget you, and do not give me do little that I have to steal and dishonour you.

This post has been edited by thomasthai: Jun 19 2017, 10:29 AM

Actually the word treasure is in reference to what is valuable, it uses the word treasure so that it applies across time and across beyond just money. But I think it applies to having a bank account as treasure as well but here is the key difference;

I think that verse is just concern on where we set our heart, whether on money as our primary treasure or God as our primary treasure on Earth.

It never means we cannot be prospered on Earth or to have financial savings (treasures).

I'm of the opinion don't pursue money, just let God prosper you but you have to accept it as part of scripture truth otherwise denial of it, will stifle it as well.

I can amen to that, cheers

Thank you brother.




then why is other people fighting me on this?

haih.........so much needless challenges.

Unforgiving Servant

Matthew 18:35 (NIV) - "This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart."

According to the parable of the unforgiving servant, If you read Matthew 18 verse 21 to 35, you'll begin to understand the heart of our God, The Lord wants every brother and sister in Christ to live in harmony with one another with our debt conscious paid. This is the nature of a good God. God foresaw long past..there will be the irony of people who for the slightest matter, will hold another person prison when he himself has been cleared of his own debt to God.

Truth is, we all owe a debt of sin to God. It cost God's own Son to pay all that we owe. So for someone who keeps on attacking others, holding bitter anger against others, has not really understood what God has done for Him in his life. There is no revelation of the cross in the person, perhap the person felt he still need to pay for his own actions to justify before God thus explain all the insecurities. This is the problem with self righteousness.

A forgiven believer is usually humbled because he understand he earns/worked nothing to get himself saved. On that ground He has no right to judge others and put them in prison. Friends, I'm sure you know, what I'm talking about.

There is also 1 other aspect why we need to forgive when a person hurt you. You do not want to contract what the person has. Forgiving the person releases you from such a bondage. You can sleep better if not get healthier. When you do not forgive a person, this sort of spirit binds your body to physical harm. It causes you to be bitter as well if not angry. Hence the explanation of handed over to the jailers...meaning to say there is a bondage.


Dear Friends, I pray that you will release anyone who has hurt you from unforgiveness. It is the right to do, it pleases God and it is to your own good interest.

God Bless.

He doesn’t fight crime or wear a cape
He doesn't read minds or levitate
But every time my world needs saving
He’s my superman

Some folks don’t believe in heroes
Cause they haven’t met my dad

He loves his workshop and rock n roll
He’s got a hot rod and a heart of gold
And you could say he’s a man of few words
But he talks a lot within

And even thought I’m a little taller
I still look up to him

He built me a house in the arms of a tree
He taught me to drive and to fight and to dream
When he looks in my eyes I hope he can see that
My dad’s a hero to me

Rust ridden fenders and doors full of dings
Somehow he can fix about anything
I didn’t think he knew how to cry until our dog died that year
He doesn’t always say I love ya
But I can hear him loud and clear

He built me a house in the arms of a tree
He taught me to drive and to fight and to dream
When he looks in my eyes I hope he can see that
My dad’s a hero to me

Owl city! That's the guy with the firefly song.

Alamak his lyrics about dads made me crai

About your devotional... Its something i agree in theory but in practice I find it difficult. Because, I feel the effects daily. Old cruelties are affecting how I think, what I do, and how i behave more than I'd like to admit.

He's a Christian btw. He also does some bit of evangelism thru his songs.

Hence why we need Grace of Christ empower us. Grace is not something erm.......it's not a subject matter. It is the person of Christ himself.

God's Grace can empower you to forgive someone.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 20 2017, 07:20 PM

Hi to all here, I feel an inclination to go clear my mind in a church after not stepping in one for many many years.

Are there any churches in KL that are open to people going in and sitting down (without being disturbed etc)? I'm asking here because I'm not familiar with any at all.

Just my opinion bro.

if you go to a small school, everyone will notice you.

if you go to a large church, most likely, this is what you want (without being disturb) but at least you can sit down n pray, clear your mind, listen to the sermon (might help you).

You're welcome to try Calvary Church in Bukit Jalil. It's so big, you can't miss it. Come this Sunday bro, service starts at 9am. We have plenty of seats.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 21 2017, 08:31 AM

No Mixture

John 1:17 (NIV) - For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

The Grace of God causes you to rest. (in knowing your salvation is settled and secured by God) Therefore you can breath and live easy as a Free person.
The Law of God causes you to feel, it's not enough, that you need to do more, that you have something to measure up. You will feel unsure whether you qualify.

These are the 2 different covenants of God with regards to Salvation.
One is in the Old Testament and One is the New Testament.

There are many Christian who can't differentiate the 2, and try to amalgamate the 2 into their lives.
In essence the believe in this mixture causes Christians to live under the New Testament Covenant but with the Old Covenant Mindset.

Jesus calls this trying to put Old Wine into New Wine skin.
Jesus also says this will never work.

The wineskin will burst and not hold.
If you want to be close to God, you must embrace the New Covenant which is Grace!

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 21 2017, 08:38 AM

Nevermind...these day there are crazy people.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 21 2017, 11:06 AM

not just these days, since the day bible created. 😂

Ahmighads people I found something interesting and funny!

http://sophtopus.tumblr.com/post/162079405...rmer-fatty-roah

Basically the majority of the disciples were.... TEENAGERS! Cue a lot of punk rock jokes.

The only two official adults in the group were Peter and Jesus, with Jesus probably ten whole years older than Peter.

Here's the copy pasta

Why this is possible:

Probaly they were all underage except for Peter. In Exodus 30:14-15, Jewish law states that every male over the age of 20 is to pay a half-shekel as census offering when they visit the temple of God. In Matthew 17:24-27, Jesus instructs Peter to “fish up” this tax. Peter finds a shekel in the mouth of the fish he catches; enough to pay the tax for two men, himself and Jesus. You could conclude that the others were underage and did not need to pay.

In Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, and John 13:33, Jesus calls his disciples little children .
We learn that Peter had a wife when Jesus healed his mother-in-law. In those ancient times, a Jewish man receives a wife after the age of 18. Again, no other disciples’ wives are mentioned, so they are unmarried and probably under 18.

Jewish children began intensive study at young ages, but education for most concluded by age 15. For those bright (or wealthy) enough, higher education consisted of studying under a local rabbi. If they didn’t find a rabbi that accepted them as a student then they entered the workforce by their mid teens. The disciples, already working-men, must have been rejected by other rabbis when Jesus hand-picked them for further education as his disciples. In light of this, a younger age is more probable than older. A youth would be in the mindset of continuing his education. A man over 30 leaving his trade to follow a rabbi would be counter-cultural , although not impossible.

The behavior of the disciples, as detailed in the gospels, fits well with the zealous nature and foolishness of adolescence. Picture a gang of teens instead of work-hardened men in the boat when the storm hit, fear-stricken and waking up Jesus for help. The forgetful and distracted nature of youth helps me understand how they could hear Jesus say he would die and come back to life, yet act as they did when these things happened. When we age them under twenty, we can understand Jesus’ patience with them, his low expectations of their behavior, and his teaching style.

This post has been edited by Sophiera: Jun 21 2017, 05:35 PM