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unknown warrior
post Jun 14 2017, 11:38 AM

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The Graceful God who is close to sinners

Matthew 9:10-11 (NIV) - While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

Morning guys. There was an impression given some time ago, unless your heart is right before God, God stays away from you, God will not answer your prayers. Fellow friends, if you study the Bible this God who are worship by the Angels, who are proclaimed trice Holy..."Holy Holy Holy is the Lord Almighty", a Holy God sat close, ate and drank with sinners as depicted in Matthew 9:10-11. This God is called Immanuel, God with us, it's a very deep meaning. So much so, it dumbfounded the religious leader of Jesus day, they could not accept it.

Today, there's a similar spirit trying to separate you away from God. The Bible actually helps us to understand, behind such a spirit, is the work of the devil. The Devil is called the accuser of the brethren. He accuses you of your shortfalls before God, usually accuses you by the law of God, such as you are unrighteous, you're a vile sinner, etc.

Jesus came to reconcile you back to God. This is the work of God. This Jesus who called Matthew to follow Him, knew everything there is about Matthew. In those day, Tax collectors are despised much worse than a prostitute because they collect tax for another nation, in a sense they are a betrayer and yet a Holy God calls one with such a despicable deposition to be his disciple. If the Lord can approach close to one such as a tax collector, what more any of us?

Dear friends, never doubt for once, The Lord loves you. There are many voices out there but I pray that you'll take heed the voice of Christ Jesus and the word of the Bible, what He thinks of you. Let that matter to you. Know that this Graceful God will never condemn. Read John 3:17 (NIV) - For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

This was practically demonstrated by Jesus Himself in John 8:11 (NIV) - "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you,"Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin." The lady was a prostitute. Don't just read and rush this through. The religious leader wanted her to be stoned but are not qualified. God could but didn't. Think about it. If God does not condemn us, who are we to condemn others?

God gave first the Grace of No Condemnation...Why? I believe it is for a reason. There are many teachings to this but I want to bring 1 particular teaching that will help you understand the heart of God. It is God who forgive and he gives it to you on the ground of grace...meaning something you didn't earn to keep. On that basis, we are all on equal ground and thus has no right to throw dirt on others.

If God can come close to a vile person and save the person, I think in turn we as Christian should learn to come close to other and not judge another of their fault. This is practising the command of Christ: to love one another and also the most difficult, to Love your enemies.

If there's a person who have wandered away from God, I hope this message will give you the courage to come back to God who is close to sinners.

God Bless.


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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 13 2017, 11:44 PM)
Hi guys. Yeah the baby is fine and healthy.  thumbsup.gif

I see the usual going-ons, mostl of the time I read on my iPad, lazy to log and reply. hehe...
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post Jun 14 2017, 03:17 PM

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Verse 1
The blood of Jesus speaks for me
Be still my soul, redeeming love
out of the dust of Calvary
is rising to the throne above
There is no vengeance in His cry
while it is finished, fills the sky
Forgiveness is the final plea
The blood of Jesus speaks for me

Verse 2
My heart can barely take it in
He pardons all my guilty stains
Surrender all my shame to Him
He breaks the curse of every chain
My sin is great, but greater still
the boundless grace His heart reveals
A mercy deeper than the sea
the blood of Jesus speaks for me

INTERLUDE

Verse 3
When my accuser makes the claim
that I should die for my offense
I point him to that rugged frame
where I found life at Christ's expense
See from His hands, His feet, His side
the fountain flowing deep and wide
Oh hear it shout the victory
the blood of Jesus speaks for me



Bridge
Worthy is the Lamb, Lamb for sinners' slain
Jesus, Lord of all glory to His name
Heaven crying out, let the earth proclaim
power in the blood, glory to His name
Worthy is the Lamb, Lamb for sinners' slain
Jesus, Lord of all glory to His name
Heaven crying out, let the earth proclaim
power in the blood, glory to His name
Je-sus!

Verse 4
Oh let my soul arise and sing
My confidence is not in vain
The One who fights for me is King
His oath, His covenant remain
No condemnation now I dread
eternal hope is mine instead
His Word will stand, I stand redeemed
The blood of Jesus speaks for me
Amazing love, how can it be?
The blood of Jesus speaks for me
For me!
For me!


I Hope this song can minister to you. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 15 2017, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(aaron61 @ Jun 15 2017, 03:27 AM)
Does anyone have a lunch time fellowship? I don't mind coming along to give a testimony. Raised from death. Now slightly paralysed ... so must testify of my encounter with the Lord.

I am 56 yo worshipping in SIB KL.

Let me know if interested.
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Hi, Maybe you can share here. What happened?
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post Jun 15 2017, 09:18 AM

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Hallmark of a Christian

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 (NIV)

Characteristic of Love

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love does not dishonour others, neither does it keep records of wrongs.

Jesus says to Love your Enemies, it is quite hard for some to do and yet many Christian fail on this account. I wonder what gives them the right to to claim so many things and yet never practises any of these but the opposite.

The Bible explains that when we do not adhere to the characteristic of Love, whatever we do, we become nothing. In essence empty religion takes over. Because there are times people have an intellectual knowledge of God, they know "about" God much better than others but do not have the power of God in their life. And they persecute other, when they think there's a conflict against what they intellectually understand about God, to me, this is hardly the trait of a practising Christian.

I believe as Christians we need to adhere to this because over all Jesus did say to obey this command. When one fails this and claim that He Loves God and brush others and Hate his brother is a liar. God made this equation because He wants everybody to live in harmony as much as possible.

And Christ made this command simple. You can test and gauge yourself whether we are living and having the Hallmark of a Christian.

God Bless.

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Verifiable evidence for the existence of God.
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post Jun 15 2017, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 15 2017, 09:18 AM)
Hallmark of a Christian

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 (NIV)

Characteristic of Love

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love does not dishonour others, neither does it keep records of wrongs.

Jesus says to Love your Enemies, it is quite hard for some to do and yet many Christian fail on this account. I wonder what gives them the right to to claim so many things and yet never practises any of these but the opposite.

The Bible explains that when we do not adhere to the characteristic of Love, whatever we do, we become nothing. In essence empty religion takes over. Because there are times people have an intellectual knowledge of God, they know "about" God much better than others but do not have the power of God in their life. And they persecute other, when they think there's a conflict against what they intellectually understand about God, to me, this is hardly the trait of a practising Christian.

I believe as Christians we need to adhere to this because over all Jesus did say to obey this command. When one fails this and claim that He Loves God and brush others and Hate his brother is a liar. God made this equation because He wants everybody to live in harmony as much as possible.

And Christ made this command simple. You can test and gauge yourself whether we are living and having the Hallmark of a Christian.

God Bless.
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Thanks for the reminder UW, needed that. But bear in mind, the most loving thing you can do sometimes is to tell the truth, it is unloving to keep somebody in error and in darkness.

Can I start a topic of discussion, what do you guys believe about young-earth theory?

Do you believe the literal account of Genesis?

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post Jun 15 2017, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Jun 15 2017, 01:50 PM)
Thanks for the reminder UW, needed that. But bear in mind, the most loving thing you can do sometimes is to tell the truth, it is unloving to keep somebody in error and in darkness.

Can I start a topic of discussion, what do you guys believe about young-earth theory?

Do you believe the literal account of Genesis?
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What Error, what darkness?

You mean to say the corruption of the Gospel is that If there are miracles proclaimed just like the brother share his testimony just above that God still works miracles today? That is corruption of the Gospel?

There are so many recorded testimonies, I'm just baffled at your statement.

If you don't agree that Miracles still happen today and you believed it stop in 1800's I'm fine with what you believe but I cannot agree with what you say the Gospel is corrupted if I preached a God who still works miracles today and you accuses me of spreading a corrupted Gospel. That is really insulting if not demeaning IMO. I live, breath and pray to God everyday and you have the gumption to agree with the other fella thinking that I'm a cult, etc. You just really have no idea how much of an insult that is.

I rather that you clarify this first before talking about YEC or OEC.

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QUOTE(aaron61 @ Jun 15 2017, 04:13 PM)
Thank you for giving me this opportunity to share God's love and healing to all here.  rclxms.gif

in mid-2014, we (me & wife) were scheduled to speak at a marriage enrichment weekend in Singapore. After a dinner gathering 2 weeks before the program I was struck with a terrible gall bladder flare up.  Next morning I went into a private hospital to seek medical consultation. They scanned my gall bladder and confirmed there were gall bladder stones there and suggested I get the gall bladder removed (that being the usual SOP). I discussed my speaking schedule with the surgeon and he assured me I will be back home in 3 days time.  rclxms.gif

I checked in for surgery the next day and signed all medical forms. I woke up from the surgery after 5 hours and discovered a very big lateral incision (about 1 feet long made) in my abdominal area. My gall bladder was not removed but part of my intestines were. Complications set in and other surgeons found problems with first surgery. I was wheeled in for 2nd surgery after 1 week by another surgeon and more intestines were removed.  cry.gif

After that my abdominal system went on "auto shutdown". Probably angry with what's being done to it. After 4 weeks at private hospital, with abdominal system down and I couldn't take any food the surgeon asked my wife to take me home. My wife was stunned and furious. She asked "What do you me to take him home?" The replied was "We don't know what is happening?".

My wife then got me transferred to UM. 5 specialists came to check me up to investigate the issue .... I was deteriorating fast. 2nd day in UM I collapsed in a coma and was moved into ICU. My heart beat stopped and I couldn't breathe. Doctors revived me and put me into a life support system. A doctor called my wife and asked my family members in to see me for probably the last time. My wife alerted the family, cell, friends (all over the world) and our ministry HQ (in USA). Prayers went up to God's throne that few days. My family and relatives were allowed into ICU to visit me but my wife never go in to see me. She was angry I 'sneak off' without a proper goodbye to her.

3rd day on life support system the doctor called my wife to inform her the hospital will shut down the system and it is best she be there. The next morning the doctor and nurses came into the ICU ..........

I woke up and was standing in front of the open Pearly Gates in heaven. So peaceful and melodious music (I am a musician) was in that place ... probably angels praising God. I was at the doorway of the gates (just outside). I could see inside and the floor of heaven was covered with smooth white clouds. I stood at the doorway and said "Thank you Lord for Your promise and allowing me to come into Your presence. If You don't mind, there are some services I have yet to complete on Earth. Can I go complete these services and I will return here again." I hung my head down let out a sheepish grin. A light golden silky curtain rolled down to close the Pearly Gates and a pair of angels came to helped me to go meet Jesus.

The Lord Jesus saw me. He looked me in the eyes and said "Brother. Go and share your story." I walked towards Him and fell on my knees. The angels were no longer there. In my weakened state, I crawled to Jesus' feet. I turned my head up to look into His eyes. With tears in my eyes, I said "Heal me Lord and I can go share of this glorious encounter. 2 drops of blood fell on my arms (one on my left the other on my right arm). 1 Peter 2:24 ".... by His wounds you have been healed." I felt strength came over my body and I stood up. Jesus then said "Go now and share your story." I bowed and said "Thank you, Lord." I turned and took my leave.  rclxm9.gif

After the doctor shut the life support system, he pulled the long air tube that was inserted into my lungs out. I let out a cough and opened my eyes. So sweet the fresh air I began to breathe on my own. I sat up 90 degrees on the bed and turned to get off the bed. All the nurses left the ICU room quickly. (I now know ... they thought I was a zombie.) I stepped off the bed and saw the doctor there with his jaws almost touching the floor. He couldn't run as I step off the bed, I was blocking the doorway. I reached for his left arm with my right hand. I grabbed his left arm (bicep area) and felt some shivering there. I looked him in his eyes and asked "Am I going home today?". I saw relief came over him. He smiled, clapped and shouting to the nurses outside "Miracle patient !" Then the nurses (giggling at themselves) walked into the ICU room to clear up the room. I walked outside and sat in the visitor's lounge and crossed my legs as I usually do. My wife walked into the ICU area and was shocked to see me sitting on visitor's lounge chair. She blinked a few times and ran to hug me asking "What are you doing here?". I told her, "Checking out. I think?". I was transferred to normal ward for a few more days as my abdominal system re-operate again.

I had serious and permanent brain damaged due to mistreatment at the private hospital. Doctors at UM had not seen such recovery from patients having this condition. I was "specimen" in UM's visiting foreign specialist talk. My scans were shown and I was invited to stage to saw a few words. I received government's OKU card and benefits. I am getting stronger and alert by the day. I can drive now. Praise God!  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Praise God brother, I believe in your testimonies. You're blessed to have witness Heaven and allowed to return to finished what God wants you to do. Go in the strength of God's grace brother. May your commission be fulfilled. rclxms.gif


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post Jun 15 2017, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jun 14 2017, 12:40 PM)
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I don't see anything wrong with that dude. Of course I don't agree with what Sylar says but I'm not too bothered.

Move along now.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 15 2017, 09:36 AM)


Verifiable evidence for the existence of God.
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QUOTE(aaron61 @ Jun 15 2017, 10:39 PM)
Thanks brother for this opportunity. Some of my in-laws who had seen me at the hospital and saw my miraculous recovery are now open to our family's Christmas party. We sang carols and shared God's blessings for the year ... last year (2016) they came to share the celebration with us.

Two of my Muslim friends who visited me regularly in the hospital were also very open to praying with me. When I end "In Jesus' name I pray. Amen." They will reply "Amin".

Praise God.  notworthy.gif
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This is the proof that religions does not mix and can co exist with each other when in need, it's a harmony that is quite a rare sight today Amen for that smile.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 15 2017, 05:14 PM)
What Error, what darkness?

You mean to say the corruption of the Gospel is that If there are miracles proclaimed just like the brother share his testimony just above that God still works miracles today? That is corruption of the Gospel?

There are so many recorded testimonies, I'm just baffled at your statement.

If you don't agree that Miracles still happen today and you believed it stop in 1800's I'm fine with what you believe but I cannot agree with what you say the Gospel is corrupted if I preached a God who still works miracles today and you accuses me of spreading a corrupted Gospel. That is really insulting if not demeaning IMO. I live, breath and pray to God everyday and you have the gumption to agree with the other fella thinking that I'm a cult, etc. You just really have no idea how much of an insult that is.

I rather that you clarify this first before talking about YEC or OEC.
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No mate calm down smile.gif

I think you misunderstood the term cessationist. I believe in miracles as much as you do, just that I don't believe the sign gifts are still operational today, that's all. Cheers smile.gif
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Prosperity

James 5:10-11 (NIV) - 10 Brothers and sisters, as an example of patience in the face of suffering, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. 11 As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.

What did the Lord brought about to Job at end? Why even mention about this? What is the significance? Whether we like it or not, the context of it was that The Lord restored Job of what He lost and not only that, the Lord prospered Him in multiple fold more than before. If this is something that is deemed evil by some of you. Why mention this in the Bible and it's in the New Testament. The reason why I bring this up is because there are people who tells me there is not 1 ounce of a verse that talks about prosperity and they say you're preaching corruption and erroneous interpretation.

Consider this proverbs as well. This is IN the Bible, not something created else where. It's not even a 10 commandment or mosaic Law but in the book of proverbs which has to do with wisdom.

Proverbs 3: 9-10

9 Honor the Lord with your wealth,
with the first fruits of all your crops;
10 then your barns will be filled to overflowing,
and your vats will brim over with new wine.

Argue all you want, this is in the Bible.

The only reason I see why there's a dissatisfaction with some of you because of your jealousy and insecurity, you cannot accept it that those who have trusted in the Lord is prospered by God. You envy with jealousy. There are some of you who are blatant hypocrite. You gnash your teeth at others the moment prosperity is mentioned in the settings of Christianity while you build expensive home for yourself and you invest in all kinds of investment trying to prosper your own finance by your own strength, trusting this in the things of Man. My own Pastor is a personal witness to this hypocrisy as well as I have heard of others.

Do not tell you do not believe in prosperity while you want your child to prosper in his/her life either by your fervent push for them to excel in their education or by the means of hope in God.

Do not be hypocrite but learn to understand Deuteronomy 8:17. If you have accepted Christ then you are Abraham's seed.

I leave this to your thoughts.




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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Jun 16 2017, 08:26 AM)
No mate calm down smile.gif

I think you misunderstood the term cessationist. I believe in miracles as much as you do, just that I don't believe the sign gifts are still operational today, that's all. Cheers smile.gif
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For me I do. The signs gifts are credential that the person's ministry is backed by God. 1 Corinthians 2:4 and 1 Corinthians 4:20 is valid throughout generations because Jesus never says anything on signs & wonders stops at his end after He descended, in fact He never say it will stop at all, we say it. That is our rationality over the bible when when we don't see miracles exhibited in some people's life. I think it would not be fair to rationalize like that.

Have you ever attended any Chinese healing ministry or of other nationality? The preachers are not practically unknown compared to those who are more aware of the English ones. I've seen it myself, they're genuine.

I know there are fake signs and gift out there but there are many genuine ones as well. I have faith that God take cares of his own and grant no grace to those who are not his.

But whether what is genuine or not, I leave that to the discretion of each person.



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Tina! Glad your baby is healthy. Baby boy or girl?

Thanks for the devotionals uw.

And guys, I've been doing daily prayers based on this website. They're from the book.of common prayers. Maybe this source is useful for you too smile.gif

http://prayer.forwardmovement.org
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 16 2017, 08:47 AM)

The only reason I see why there's a dissatisfaction with some of you because of your jealousy and insecurity, you cannot accept it that those who have trusted in the Lord is prospered by God. You envy with jealousy. There are some of you who are blatant hypocrite. You gnash your teeth at others the moment prosperity is mentioned in the settings of Christianity while you build expensive home for yourself and you invest in all kinds of investment trying to prosper your own finance by your own strength, trusting this in the things of Man. My own Pastor is a personal witness to this hypocrisy as well as I have heard of others.
The only dissatisfaction I would say that I cannot accept (when regards to prosperity) is when church workers / pastors, etc abused the funds to use for their personal gain. That's the only issue that I have regarding this "prosperity" agenda.

I don't know about the others but its fine when God blessed us with prosperity or vice-versa.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 19 2017, 12:27 AM)
Baby girl.  thumbsup.gif
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