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V1. Swiftlet Keeping-EVERYTHING About The Industry, Techniques, Tips, Tricks, Complaints etc
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swifbuild
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 Oct 3 2007, 10:44 AM
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Getting Started
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QUOTE(frank123 @ Oct 3 2007, 08:59 AM) See Seng, Thank you very much. By the way, what is LPPL stands for? Back to the humidity and temp control, is a humidifier sufficient to control the two parameters, i.e. humidity and temp? I tend to think that we need to control them individually in order to be accurate, unless the difference is tolerable in most of the cases. What say you? By the way, is there a reasonable gadget that would be able to track the two parameters on weekly basis and yet able to give us a report with reasonable price? I saw my company is using a thermo-hygrometer with plottable chart, I guess it would be very expensive to have one. Frank
Added on October 3, 2007, 9:02 amSorry, not on weekly basis, but kind of half hourly basis, can be analog or digital storage/output. LPPL means in Hokkien, Balls bang batang ....." Lam pah, pah Lan" Clear? MEan in contonese = ONE COLOR cOCK! eNGLISH = bOTH THE SAME! Cd quality is better. |
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liurmas
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Oct 3 2007, 02:16 PM
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Hi Swiftbuild,
I PM you few days ago, I wonder if you have a chance to read it.
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TSseeseng
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Oct 4 2007, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(frank123 @ Oct 2 2007, 06:42 PM) Guys, all agreed. Just to highlight that we need to know some basic before jumping into believing all the consultants' say. Agreed that some good equipment may not be costly much as well, some consultants may sell expensive does not mean good stuff. I am still would like to learn more about how to control the temp and humidity at the same time. Anyone has a good article to explain the relation of two? Is humidifier able to do temp and humidity control at the same time? Unable to find a good article from web. I was wondering if our room temp is high, if we turn on the humidifier, the RH is going to be higher than 90%, and how to get the humidity down to 80-90% then? I was understood that there is a water-cooling fan system to bring down the temp, rather than using an air-con(too expensive). Do we really need dehumidifier? Can anyone shed some lights here? Regards, Frank Humidifier can reduce some temp but not much. It reduce heat through condensation. But humid in the air also trap heat. From what I tested at my farm by increasing humidity from 65%RH to 85%RH temp only drop 1-2 degrees. So not practical to rely on humidifier to reduce temp. Humidity mainly for the purpose nests won't too dry become crisp no need to be too exact. 80%-90% seminar teach one ka? Determine where the heat come from and prevent heat from come in. Not heat come in already then buy water-cooling fan system to cool it down. Actually there are actual farm using air-cond. Owner want to save $ because install insulation at roof and wall more expensive. Air cond temp set to 26 so not cold. A thermostat control the power to on at 29 and off at 27. So it only on at hottest moment of the day. Result: Before install air cond no bird stay. After got air cond bird stay. |
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frank123
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Oct 4 2007, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(seeseng @ Oct 4 2007, 09:42 AM) Humidifier can reduce some temp but not much. It reduce heat through condensation. But humid in the air also trap heat. From what I tested at my farm by increasing humidity from 65%RH to 85%RH temp only drop 1-2 degrees. So not practical to rely on humidifier to reduce temp. Humidity mainly for the purpose nests won't too dry become crisp no need to be too exact. 80%-90% seminar teach one ka? Determine where the heat come from and prevent heat from come in. Not heat come in already then buy water-cooling fan system to cool it down. Actually there are actual farm using air-cond. Owner want to save $ because install insulation at roof and wall more expensive. Air cond temp set to 26 so not cold. A thermostat control the power to on at 29 and off at 27. So it only on at hottest moment of the day. Result: Before install air cond no bird stay. After got air cond bird stay. Nowaday, becoming a bird is more enjoying.....  Air cond is a great idea! Frank |
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Ryan_Cheng
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Oct 4 2007, 10:12 AM
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[hjh
This post has been edited by Ryan_Cheng: May 8 2008, 07:18 AM
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sandcool
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Oct 4 2007, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(Ryan_Cheng @ Oct 4 2007, 10:12 AM) Hi seeseng, im new here. You contribution to the forum have been great. Im a swiftlet farmer myself, just want to let you know about my own experience. Not all air-conditioner installation are successful due to the smell emitted from the freon gas. Some swiftlets are very sensitive to this smell and would fly away rather than staying in the farm. Some farmers are actually spending the money to build concrete ceiling below the roof. This is of course costly. Thus, some are resorting to some methods that you were suggesting earlier, i.e. water sprinkler on roof, insulation, turbine ventilation (quiet mode type). nice to meet u...where is ur farm? how much did u invest? |
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TSseeseng
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Oct 4 2007, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE(Ryan_Cheng @ Oct 4 2007, 10:12 AM) Hi seeseng, im new here. You contribution to the forum have been great. Im a swiftlet farmer myself, just want to let you know about my own experience. Not all air-conditioner installation are successful due to the smell emitted from the freon gas. Some swiftlets are very sensitive to this smell and would fly away rather than staying in the farm. Some farmers are actually spending the money to build concrete ceiling below the roof. This is of course costly. Thus, some are resorting to some methods that you were suggesting earlier, i.e. water sprinkler on roof, insulation, turbine ventilation (quiet mode type). Personally I would prefer the insulation method. Polystyrene board is affodable and effective. Notice cup noodle with polystyrene cup provide the best insulation for boil water. For long lasting can wrap polystyrene board with aluminium foil. Freon gas will emit smell even there's no leakage? Well nobody can prove why the birds fly away. We can only speculate. |
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Ryan_Cheng
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Oct 6 2007, 03:26 PM
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hjh
This post has been edited by Ryan_Cheng: May 8 2008, 07:19 AM
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skynest
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Oct 6 2007, 04:09 PM
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Ryan_cheng,
Good observation. Air-Con is no-no in swiftlet farming. In fact, birds are comfortable inside the farm house as long as the indoor temperature is 1 ~ 2 C lower than Outdoor temp.
But, be careful with the polystyrene boards, rats love it a lot.
But this forum is mostly swiftlet farming chit chat, like swiftbuild, he think that he know so much that he don't want to share his experience in this forum...but he is zero..well maybe 0.001% experience.
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Ryan_Cheng
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Oct 6 2007, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(skynest @ Oct 6 2007, 04:09 PM) Ryan_cheng, Good observation. Air-Con is no-no in swiftlet farming. In fact, birds are comfortable inside the farm house as long as the indoor temperature is 1 ~ 2 C lower than Outdoor temp. But, be careful with the polystyrene boards, rats love it a lot. But this forum is mostly swiftlet farming chit chat, like swiftbuild, he think that he know so much that he don't want to share his experience in this forum...but he is zero..well maybe 0.001% experience. Yes, we have to be careful about rats as well as roaches. Anyway there is powder to rid them. |
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frank123
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Oct 7 2007, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE(Ryan_Cheng @ Oct 6 2007, 04:29 PM) Yes, we have to be careful about rats as well as roaches. Anyway there is powder to rid them. I believe most of us know the 6 most important factors in swiftlet farm management are: Temperature Sound Humidity Aroma Imitate nest Lighting How do we rank them in term of importance? Any thoughts? Frank |
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TSseeseng
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Oct 7 2007, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(frank123 @ Oct 7 2007, 08:17 AM) I believe most of us know the 6 most important factors in swiftlet farm management are: Temperature Sound Humidity Aroma Imitate nest Lighting How do we rank them in term of importance? Any thoughts? Frank You missed something. DESIGN. More important than those other things. In my humble opinion. The list is sort of like this:- Height Design & Sound equelly importance Micro habitat Other so call gadgets/accessories=theory, speculation, human over sensitive.... |
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Ryan_Cheng
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Oct 8 2007, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE(seeseng @ Oct 7 2007, 12:07 PM) You missed something. DESIGN. More important than those other things. In my humble opinion. The list is sort of like this:- Height Design & Sound equelly importance Micro habitat Other so call gadgets/accessories=theory, speculation, human over sensitive.... Seeseng, Is the aroma hormon by NestTech effective? Mine wasn't for your info. I had to resort to other self-concocted formula.  |
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liurmas
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Oct 10 2007, 12:52 AM
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Swiftbuild,
I have not received the file nor the CD for the CD exchange that we had couple of months ago
Liur mas
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skynest
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Oct 10 2007, 05:59 PM
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liurmas,
I don't do cd exchange as most of my cds were bought from sifus in Indonesia, if interested, let me know, i can sell to you.
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Jordy
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Oct 10 2007, 06:03 PM
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Entrepreneur
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Hi, I'm interested in swiftlet farming.. May I know the places that are the center of attraction for good quality swiftlets, other than Setiawan..? Aren't these swiftlets found in caves as well..? What are the difference between cave swiftlets and the swiftlets found around town..? Thanks in advance..  |
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swifbuild
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Oct 10 2007, 06:42 PM
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Getting Started
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This post has been edited by swifbuild: Jan 19 2008, 04:46 PM
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TSseeseng
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Oct 10 2007, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE(Ryan_Cheng @ Oct 8 2007, 12:20 PM) Seeseng, Is the aroma hormon by NestTech effective? Mine wasn't for your info. I had to resort to other self-concocted formula. Aroma hormon from NT. Confirmed it's made from duck egg and fish oil. I let a few people smell it without telling them what that is. All said duck egg or turtle egg smell. Effective or not you got the answer already. Ryan_Cheng said wasn't effective one. NOT ME! Post altered. Matter settled.This post has been edited by seeseng: Oct 18 2007, 03:22 PM |
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