hai everyone,

Just joined this forum. Been involved in swiftlet farming for over 5 yrs. quite active forum. I'm planning to order woodplank for my new project. all the while, I'm ordering from this guy from rawang who used to be able to supply good meranti bukit to me but now he is such a jerk that he even supply meranti kuning to me and explained to me that the wood looks yellow because it is near the surface!....can you believe that !! worst, he is also a consultant with his own hardware store in kuang, rawang.

Can any guys here recommend any good supplier that willing to supply to me in kuala selangor.

by the way, if you guys need white ants chemical which are odourless, let me know...I can order for you.

You are right, only a few and no more than 10 of existing farms are actually raking profit there. I know as I have a farmhouse there that is already 4 yrs.

So, any of you guys can recommend got wood supplier in selangor area or those that willing to supply to k.selangor.

Swiftbuild,
you are quite familiar with the area? where is yr farmhouses?

swiftbuild,

Thks for yr info, can you tell me exactly which sawmill in Tanjung karang ?

Whao, guess you are the pioneer Swiftlet Farmer in K.Selangor. That farm is already,I think, at least 6 to 7 years. The consultant is from Sitiawan.

I heard the owner sometimes display his harvested nests by placing it on top of his office table!! cool..!

Another king is opposite the cake house...... but K.selangor birds population is just nothing compare to B.Berjuntai.....


seeseng,

guess quite a lot of people are using that method already...but the result is good except a lot of complain fr neigbour.....I didn't dare to try it...and if follow the regulation whereby all speaker must have at least 40~60degree pointing to the sky, you will have to dismantle it later...

Swiftlet Farming Techniques :-

Anyone interested to start discussing swiftlet Farming Techniques?

Guess, I will start first, currently we have two inlet method, either Monkey or open roof. What is the pro and con on this two method?

Monkey House :-
pro:
1) low light intensity
2) more stable inhouse temperature
3)

con:
1) depends on the height of yr inlet house. Birds might difficult to fly out.
2) Noise pollution
3)

open roof type:
pro :
1) no noise pollution
2) Birds can fly out easily

con :
1) Too bright
2) unstable inhouse temperature


any feedback from any sifu here.

con :

Hmm....Good luck to you guys!!!chao...no point wasting time here.

Well, swiftbuild,

I've joined many forum, mostly indonesia forum where members share info freely without thinking of this as charitable thing to do. I do share a lot of info with them. So be cool.....
or you will not get any profit from yr farming....

Richckc,

Don't waste time here, The most stupid thing that I ever heard in my farming life is that some one recommend to you ,wild birds is more difficult to catch than birds in other farm......very funny.....half cook experience..... haha...

see ya.....

Ryan_cheng,

Good observation. Air-Con is no-no in swiftlet farming. In fact, birds are comfortable inside the farm house as long as the indoor temperature is 1 ~ 2 C lower than Outdoor temp.

But, be careful with the polystyrene boards, rats love it a lot.

But this forum is mostly swiftlet farming chit chat, like swiftbuild, he think that he know so much that he don't want to share his experience in this forum...but he is zero..well maybe 0.001% experience.

liurmas,

I don't do cd exchange as most of my cds were bought from sifus in Indonesia, if interested, let me know, i can sell to you.

Dear farmers,

This week there are a numbers of break in into farm houses near selangor area, most of the cases they break in from the main door by opening the locks with master key. Those in the area near Kuala Selangor, Sabak Bernam, BB are hot spot as the gang is very active and also, rawang.

guys,
take a look at this website with photos of White Swiftlet and some videos shots that the CONsultant took when testing sites and one particular interesting video was taken at residential area, from the birds population, i guess the nests count should be around 500+.
The website is www.swiftnest.com
Enjoy.

swiftbuild is right, no matter how, if someone wants to steal from you, they will come no matter what.

The theft incident in XX(better don't name the place here) is on monday night. It started when my uncle nest house alarm was triggered. when we all went there to check on 11pm, everything was fine, but then we found that our neighbour nest house door was wide open with all padlocks unlock and placed on the floor nicely without any damaged. and we look inside the house (as all the doors were open), only one nest left. THen we check on the other nest houses, all are fine. we then proceed to call police and then we bought a lock to lock back our neighbour house. and you know what, next morning, we found out that another nest house door was wide open and look inside, only a few nests left. THE THIEF ACTUALLY DID NOT LEAVE THE PLACE AND WAITED THE POLICES AND US LEFT THE AREA,THEN THEY STRIKE AGAIN.
SO, TOTALED 2 HOUSES STOLEN.

ALL THOSE NEST HOUSES ARE WITHOUT ALARM. And if my uncle nest houses is not protected by alarm. I guess all the nest houses there will kena `sapu habis'.

ccheongf,

I agreed that by DIY we can save on construction & consultation fees. But through my years of experience in swiftlet farming, i don't think 10K is sufficient (includes labour cost,material cost,wiring,electrical,water piping,SD card player,planks,insulation matarial & etc) & I'm a contractor myself with years of experience in both housing & factory construction.

But, then, they are those who try to save by cutting what they think is not necessary and try to build it at low budget. 10 out of 10, they have to do another renovation again,again and again.

eventhough we paid consultant fees but if you found a good one, it is worth every ringgit that you paid him.

While THey are a lot of CON-sultants in malaysia, and i knew most of them
. one in kelantan with ONE successful swiftlet farm purported owned by him which harvested purportedly RM60K a month( He will always advice you to wait for new birds to come, thats all he can do).
and one consultant from Ijok, who started with 3 shoplots in BB for almost 5 years and failed, had consulted so many unsuccessful farms that he don't dares to go to any coffee shops in sasaran, and mostly selangor area because he will be screw by his clients.
and one consultant from sitiawan, who drove merc after his mit storm was burned down by angry clients.
and one consultant from rawang, who supply low quality wood plank to clients and consultants ( meranti kuning as meranti merah).
and ......

it is just too many. and i don't blame you for thinking of DIY.

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Added on October 24, 2007, 9:44 pmccheongf,

I agreed that by DIY we can save on construction & consultation fees. But through my years of experience in swiftlet farming, i don't think 10K is sufficient (includes labour cost,material cost,wiring,electrical,water piping,SD card player,planks,insulation matarial & etc) & I'm a contractor myself with years of experience in both housing & factory construction.

But, then, they are those who try to save by cutting what they think is not necessary and try to build it at low budget. 10 out of 10, they have to do another renovation again,again and again.

eventhough we paid consultant fees but if you found a good one, it is worth every ringgit that you paid him.

While THey are a lot of CON-sultants in malaysia, and i knew most of them
. one in kelantan with ONE successful swiftlet farm purported owned by him which harvested purportedly RM60K a month( He will always advice you to wait for new birds to come, thats all he can do).
and one consultant from Ijok, who started with 3 shoplots in BB for almost 5 years and failed, had consulted so many unsuccessful farms that he don't dares to go to any coffee shops in sasaran, and mostly selangor area because he will be screw by his clients.
and one consultant from sitiawan, who drove merc after his mit storm was burned down by angry clients.
and one consultant from rawang, who supply low quality wood plank to clients and consultants ( meranti kuning as meranti merah).
and ......

it is just too many. and i don't blame you for thinking of DIY.



This post has been edited by skynest: Oct 24 2007, 09:44 PM

ccheongf,

if the differences of just 10K....i think you should get the consultant to do it for you. I have seen a lot of folk who DIY and end up renovate many times. it is not that simple as every think.....well experiences cost money...we all paid to gain the experinces...good luck!

insulation...many types...

ccheongf,

You should find other consultant, THere are many CON-sultants who has a farm (which was done by other CON-sultant), and they will always show it to potential client. From my experiences, if he is an experienced consultant, he should be able to show you at least 3 established farm houses to you.

THere are many benchmark to grade a successful nest house, some says 50 nests (which is right) and some says at least 70 nests increment / year and some within one year already have 300 nests (this particular house is in Thailand).

ccheongf, from the way you ask info from this forum, i guess your knowledge is about 50%. You must remember every additional % of knowledge will convert into additional nests in your future nest house. if you accept 50% chances of attracting birds into your house, i guess you can try DIY.

Wish you all the best...you need it a lot!!.

Conversation between swiftlet association members with a senior officer from our govt :-

sa members : Tuan, bila burung licence nak issue?
sr officer : mana ada licence?, mana boleh buat rumah burung di kedai ! itu
untuk orang tinggal dan berniaga. Ini adalah haram!.
sa members : Tapi banyak orang bikin rumah burung di kedai juga!?.
sr officer : biar mereka bikin! kasih bikin banyak sikit, baru kita pergi
roboh semua! kasih you orang rugi ( The idea is because most
swiftlets farmers are CHINESE!)
sa members : mana boleh ini macam!.........


Conversation between MCA ka tiing and swiftlets member :-

sa member : Datuk, you tengok apa itu bodoh officer cakap pada saya!
ka tiing : Sabahlah, saya sudah panggil orang untuk check apa saya
boleh tolong, dari feedback saya, dia orang tak boleh buat
apa. shoplot semua ada CF, tak roboh itu kedai. Bila masa
dia orang buat kacau, MCA akan tolong!. Ini business untuk
orang CINA!, kita akan sokong yu semua. Tapi bagi tau
rakan-rakan agak buat pandai sikit, jangan sampai suara
burung kuat sangat dan kacau orang. OK!
sa member : Thank you, datuk! nasib baik kita ada datuk tolong!
terima kasih.

THis are the actual conversation took place recently. Bear in mind that so far only MCA did actually help us in trying to resolve this issue by legalizing
swiftlets farming in shoplot. If they don't allow us to breed birds in our shoplots, they shouldn't approved all those bumi hawker who sets up roadside hawker stalls. Does that didn't increase the noise pollution, environment pollution (clogging drains) ? If any folks from penang, you should have come across with this malay stall at roadside that operate until 2am with musics played whole night and you guess what!, it is just in front of few row of apartments (The stall is famous for its burger!).

sorry for commenting some political issue and racial remarks here, just damn angry when i heard it from my friend.

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Added on October 27, 2007, 3:41 pmTPE994,

Get a professional to do it, it is very cheap. Where are you, if your shoplots
near Klang valley (100km radius), i can recommend you, not RIDPEST or any well advertised big firm. This guy is a chinese and have many experience in killing white ants in farm house and only charge minimal (at the range of 1k
for double storey shop and incl. drilling and pumping odourless chemical and with 3 years quarantee. If interested ,let me know, i gives you the number.

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Added on October 27, 2007, 3:45 pmRead from some where that shows the statistic that the total export revenue collected from bird nest sales in indonesia is the same as total revenue collected from Oil palm sales in malaysia.

Think again!! Policy maker!! tak tau pakai otak! pakai calculator lah!!! bugi tai!!

This post has been edited by skynest: Oct 27 2007, 03:45 PM

Nice ad clip by this penang consultant, nothing interesting about their service, just like the ad songs, cool me down so MUCH!!! he!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ak4P7Brx6w&NR=1

`chune tien phua hui kai!! ne..ne..ne......'

As i know govt policy always change because they lack OTAK, few months ago, we were ask to attend a training course in selangor whereby all farmers who are applying license needs to attend. In the course, the malay lady who is from haiwan dept mentioned that all shoplot will be issue license and all rumah kedai needs to convert to office kedai which is easy according to her.
Then, what happen? mah ka hai!! license issues delayed until next year.

Tak ada OTAK !!! balik kampung lah!!! chi pek!!

Sorry for my wording. Minta maaf!! too heaty!!! must install few more units of humidifiers in my house!!!. where is the ad clip again!!! he!


kohloh,

Wah, your nests TOO white lah!!

What you said is true, need to find a super place to build a nest mansion.
area with thousand acres of oil palm, thousand acres of fruits farm, hundred acres of waste dumpsites, a big reservoir which purportedly would not dry out, and with birds count estimated at 50,000 birds (from calculation of nests harvested each months from the 40 plus farm houses which are 10km from the super site). Sounds good!!

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Added on October 28, 2007, 6:10 pmAll those who had farms in the shophouse need not worry, the govt will issue the license!.
Bear in mind that there are over 10,000 farm shoplots in the whole malaysia,

IF THE GOVT DO INTEND TO STOP US FROM FARMING IN SHOPLOT, WE CAN ORGANISE A DEMONTRATION TO PUTRAJAYA. EACH SHOPHOUSE OWNER ONLY NEEDS TO FIND 5 FAMILY MEMBERS TO JOIN IN THE DEMONSTRATION,
10,000 x 5 = 50,000 PEOPLES IN THIS DEMONSTRATION. IT WILL BE THE BIGGEST DEMONSTRATION IN MALAYSIA !!!.

MAH KAH HAI!!!

where is the ad clip again,.....`chun tien phua hui kai.........' PEACE!!!!

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Added on October 28, 2007, 6:31 pmAnother video clip, the song is complement well with the video clip.
Please do not misunderstand here, i'm not promoting the CON-sultant,
but he do make a good video clip, ha ha!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/swiftletranching

This post has been edited by skynest: Oct 28 2007, 06:31 PM

Swiftbuild,

your comment is so much enlightening...you are right that the govt didn't even know who should be in charge of this license things, first was suppose to be haiwan dept, then, sabah guys said it is forest dept, then bugi tai said it is
bandaraya ( so that they can get kopi wang'), then they said ...... NEVER ENDING STORY FOR THIS BODOHLAND!!!.

MOst chinese lack one thing, mojority of them are selfish (of course if you don't think so, then don't read further, skip it, thks), if it is other people farm
who is been torn down, it is his problem not mine.

This is the problem with chinese, you will always be step down by the malays,
they can crush you bit by bit because they know that we are just a bunch of greedy, selfish mean that will not fight back for our own people.

THINK AGAIN WHAT YOU ALL HAVE WROTE IN THIS FORUM, IT SHOWS IT ALL OVER IT......MAH KAH HAI!!!!

The reason that these farms were taken action was because they never care to apply for license from bandaraya even though they have the opportunity to do it. Most of the reason is too expensive. What is so expensive?? it is damn cheap to me, if selangor do issue license, i'm willing to pay even if it cost 10,000.

All this will not happen if they work together as a team, they have an association which are the oldest (but don't expect the idiot with 100 farms to help you, everyone knows this guys is f***XXX selfish!!)..........

ahh...malas nak type lagi.....

Ha! another CON-sultant!!!

Tongserseng,
no need concrete ceiling, install alarm lah!! solve 99% of your problem.
the remaining 1% will be the professional if you so unlucky to meet one.
concrete ceiling or not, they can still go in from the main door !!
Hiring guard!, how many you can hires?? 2..not enough!....4 not enough!!...
10.....maybe can sleep lah....
Experience told us that most corner shoplot does not succeed in catching birds IF THE OWNER HIRED CON-sultant to do the job. Most of the time in order to profit more from the deal, they just do it in minimalist style...the lest material, the better and less labour too.
At the end, birds played in the house and never stay....or if you are lucky,
maybe 5 nests per year.......


Yes maybe i'm too much complained, sorryy!!!

Actually, the govt is afraid to issue licence because worry that farm house in shoplot will increase.

I think it is a simple solution, govt can control it by issue all titles for new development with one condition ` no swiftlet farming is allowed ' !!
In this case, there will be no farm houses in any new township.

For existing farm houses which are mostly situated in old town or development or abandoned township such as Bkt beruntung, Bkt sentosa,
Kundang, these farm houses should be legalised and be issue license that can be renewed every year.

All calculation for license can be done as follows :-

License/year : RM1.00 x Total square ft of farm house so for,

2 storey shoplot (20 x 70) = RM1.00 x 2800 = RM2,800 per year
3 storey shoplot (20 x 70) = RM4,200 / per year
3 storey Standalone building (30 x 100) = RM9,000 / per year
4 storey Standalone building (30 x 100) = RM12,000 / per year

For noise pollution :-

All monkey house to be demolished and only open roof type is allowed to apply for license. No more complained from neighbours.

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Added on November 1, 2007, 5:45 pmFor all new farmers in selangor, YOU ALL SHOULD BECOME A MEMBER IN

PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI SELANGOR

address as follow :-

7A, Jalan Ria, Sekinchan Centre,
45400 Sekinchan, Selangor.

Tel/Fax : 03-3241 7612


THe membership fees is minimal, only RM200+/per year.

This post has been edited by skynest: Nov 1 2007, 05:45 PM

Just to share my years experiences in swiftlet farming, i think i can categorise all so called consultant in this industry as follow :-

1) Those who owned a successful farm, acctually most of the time owned by their relatives or their parents who had asked our indonesian sifu to design the farm and been operation for more than 20 years. As this type of consultant will be most famous as people think that it is his skill that make the farm so successful. This consultant skill level normally only about 60%.
Their success rate is about 50%.

2) Those who had only few years experience whereby he had asked another consultant to design his house. From there, he used that farm house as show unit and show it to potential client. This type of consultant
skill level normally only about 50%.Their success rate is about 10%

3) Those who do not even owned a farm house but had visited his friend
farm house and by looking at the design, he just copy it 100% and started his consultation business. This type of consultant skill level normally only about 30%. Their success rate is about 0%

4) Those who had few farms and had done many farm houses for many people and had honed the skill of swiftlet farming mostly by trial and error.
This type of consultant skill level normally only about 80%. Their success rate is about 50%.

If you do read it carefully, the success rate of their consultation work max
is only 50% !!!! and the more consultation he did, the lower the rate!!!.

Do you still want to look for a consultant to do your work.... of course you do... at least you have 50% chances of success rate.

Can you depend totally to consultant, NO, you need to put in effort for the remaining 50%. This includes daily monitoring of your birds population (if possible), weekly check on your equipments, sd players (if possible), any predators inside your farm house, external sound attractive or not.....
This part is the only important thing that will ensure your farm will succeed or not.