good farm from good heart

This post has been edited by swifbuild: Jan 19 2008, 04:40 PM

Dear Swifbuild,

You probably right. Buying a commercial lot could be quicker. Time is money!

Furthermore, abandon commercial lot should be more private and confidential...

Is padi field a good food source compared with oil palm plantation? Any idea?

Frank

Commercial lot will be quicker to set up a farm and running. But may face competition from nearby farms. First batch of bird stay may take some time. I've heard stories about standalone farms with no competition in few KM radious get first batch bird stay on the first day of operation. From my own observation more swiftlets go for food at padi fields. Maybe due to convenient fly path on top of short plants. The same area where most flying insects fly. For oil palm plantation only part of the insects will fly on top of the trees. Some fly between the trees where it's risky for swiftlets to fly lower than tree top. So the numbers available to eat should be lesser than padi fields.
IMO the flying insects like swampy wet land since I've seen groups of birds cari makan over a wild keladi field also.

SeeSeng,

You are definitely right too..

Wanna to start fast, and wanted to be private and confidential, my ideal place is among the three areas: water pond, padi field and oil palm. Looks ideal to start one. Got an double storey shop selling at $125k..minor competitors around. Sometime I can see some swiftlet farmers buying a row of shops to mark their territories...Kia Su fellow..

By the way, is there a way to create own food source (fly e.g.) within a farm. Any thought?

Regards,
Frank

There are farmers creating own food source by planting fruit/flower trees, put rotten fruits around farm. But not very practical. Not even enaugh for their dessert. AF eat and shit a lot everyday. So conclusion AF still need to fly a long way to cari makan.

Nanyang Siang Pau today got full page advertisement article about farming by Nest Tech.

This post has been edited by seeseng: Sep 27 2007, 02:57 PM

All bros, I need your help. I'm planning to start one farm and i have no direction to turn too. i'm from penang and anyone around here has any source? thanks.

want swiflet product contact me...pm

This post has been edited by swifbuild: Jan 19 2008, 04:41 PM

Bro, i've heard also numerous cases where the farms that don't make it. i have got to know a friend who knows that its very hard to make it on these farms. any particular reason why?

hjh

This post has been edited by Ryan_Cheng: May 8 2008, 07:20 AM

Guys,

Personally, I would suggest you learn before your dive in. Else, die also do not know why! Alamak!

Frank

walet pls stay

This post has been edited by swifbuild: Jan 19 2008, 04:40 PM

Guys, there is one good report from SMI Association of Penang says:
95% out 67% self-build farm from the total industry failed swiftlet farming as they tried out themselves without engaging a consultant and without sufficient fund to invest on good equipment.
70% out of 28% of people in the industry consulted a good consultant became successful(beware, there are still 30% failure!). After paying dearly, you do not want to be in this 30% as well.
And 95% out of the balance 5% of well-capitalized companies successful as they have the knowledge and welling to spend on good equipments. Hence, I believe swiftlet farming is more a science than some consultants say it is luck or an art. One thing I think it is important to equip yourself technically, including the hygrostat or humidifier you use, cannot be a baria one/made in China(cheap and no good), you would not know when this gadget is out of calibration or even not functioning at all, then, see liu lah!
Do you know there is a gadget called dehumidifier? I only learn it today...

Frank

I agree that you have to use some sort of equipments to control your micro environment, mainly temperature, humidity, and lighting. However, they are not necessarily have to be top of the line or expensive. Often we can use simple or cheap equipment to get the same results. The main important thing is that we can control them.

Hi all,
I wonder anyone has mentioned about the advantages and disadvantages of using MP3 vs CD or other means. Can someone shed some lights here? I believe MP3 is a better and easy to monitor format.

Frank

IMHO, a biased report supported by a consultant selling expensive swiftlet product catalogue. How do they get those figures? Simply speculation lah. Same like Bolehland how high the % of economy growth and how low the inflation rate reported lor. Be proud! Better than Myanmmar what? U know I know lah.
Equipments: Those well known companies selling at high price sure accurate? Example 1 well known company often publish articles in newspapers selling one model of double fan humidifier with build-in hygrostat at RM2988. Turn up the hygrostat has 15%+- accuracy. The hygrostat I'm using is made in China with 3% +- proven to be same results as my Taiwan made hygrometer/Thermometer.
Dehumidifier is often use in countries with 4 seasons where in the spring indoor humidity so high the floor become wet with water drops all day long. Also widely use in rooms with electronic devices which need a dry environment. It's kind of like air purifier thing. 1 part suck in air to cool down with refrigerated fins. The humid in the air cool down become water and collect inside the equipment. Then the other part blow out dry warm air. Often dehumidifier come in humidifier/dehumidifier with build in hygrostat 3 in 1. Has a high/low setting. When humidity high it run as dehumidifier. When humidity too low it can be set as humidifier. But these type of equipment not practical in farming. Can imagine how many units needed to cover whole farm?

if you have money yr fram such success one

This post has been edited by swifbuild: Jan 19 2008, 04:43 PM

Guys, all agreed. Just to highlight that we need to know some basic before jumping into believing all the consultants' say. Agreed that some good equipment may not be costly much as well, some consultants may sell expensive does not mean good stuff.

I am still would like to learn more about how to control the temp and humidity at the same time. Anyone has a good article to explain the relation of two? Is humidifier able to do temp and humidity control at the same time? Unable to find a good article from web. I was wondering if our room temp is high, if we turn on the humidifier, the RH is going to be higher than 90%, and how to get the humidity down to 80-90% then? I was understood that there is a water-cooling fan system to bring down the temp, rather than using an air-con(too expensive). Do we really need dehumidifier? Can anyone shed some lights here?

Regards,
Frank

air cond is good for farm. only the rich one can afford

This post has been edited by swifbuild: Jan 19 2008, 04:42 PM

CD sound quality better than normal MP3. But if when we extract the CD track into MP3 use high bitrate of 320kbps and sample rate of 48khz the output quality is comparable to CD quality. For farming we output to tweeters. MP3 and CDs sound LPPL only. MP3 has many advantages. A normal CD of 63 minutes if converted to MP3 put inside a CD can fill in 10 hours of continue playing non-stop. If put inside USB drives or memory cards to play with supported players. Players can last longer lifespan because of no moving mechanism and lower operating temperature also no laser lense aging problem cause poor quality playback or choosy with discs.

See Seng,

Thank you very much. By the way, what is LPPL stands for?

Back to the humidity and temp control, is a humidifier sufficient to control the two parameters, i.e. humidity and temp? I tend to think that we need to control them individually in order to be accurate, unless the difference is tolerable in most of the cases.

What say you?

By the way, is there a reasonable gadget that would be able to track the two parameters on weekly basis and yet able to give us a report with reasonable price? I saw my company is using a thermo-hygrometer with plottable chart, I guess it would be very expensive to have one.

Frank

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Added on October 3, 2007, 9:02 amSorry, not on weekly basis, but kind of half hourly basis, can be analog or digital storage/output.

This post has been edited by frank123: Oct 3 2007, 09:02 AM