Thanks for the info on the AMP. The stand alone farm is much better than the shop lot type. At least you don't have to worry about someone starting one next to your farm.
Its not worried about our birds going to the next door farm.If the joker next to you knows nothing about farming that will be a big problem.He may simply blast chirp sound that are poor quality, Fixing antenna here and there, banging here and there during renovation without consideration. At the end both ended-up loosing birds. His existance will chase away birds. That's why now more n more people setting up stand alone farm.

Swifbuild,
Some ppl say they choose ulu place to build their stand alone farm because the nearby fruit farm supply a lot of insect and other food for AF. So AF don't need to go very far to look food. Don't need to worry about competition.

Seeseng,
Regarding the AMP they are a delay control knob in the amp what is the function of this control knob? Are you going to show us the video clips you have taken when you do the sound test recently?

Standalone farm do have many advantages. Especually a pioneer farm in few KM radious. There're first day open sound same night got birds stay overnight case.
People choose urban area to build mainly because land price is cheaper. Vegetation come second. Low profile if the site is a distance from the main road. Since there's no guidlines from the authorities on how we should build our standalone farms, building it can be very cost flexible. Lots of cost can be saved from buiding 7-8 feet each floor only. Walls without cement plaster, some plater single side some no plaster at all. Lightweight bricks for 2nd floor onwards wall etc.

In standalone farms people can't play with your bird. There's one real life case where a 4th floor new farm next to a 2 floor old farm which is already fully populated. The owner stay at the 3rd floor below his new farm. One of his "copyright" method to get birds into his new farm is open his 3rd floor window, spray shelltox into next door 2nd floor bird entrance EVERYDAY!   

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Added on September 14, 2007, 8:28 pm
Delay knob is useless for farming. It's mainly for playing audio with lots of musical instrument sound. Adding some delay would add a little realistic feel to it.

Advantages of urban/ulu land standalone farm:
Cheaper land and land not suitable for business usage anyway.
Lots of vegetation and no competition.
Low profile (very important)

Hi seeseng and swifbuild,
I had been missing for a long time in this forum due to busy with work, How are you guys lately and btw how is your farm doing swifbuild? How many nest alr?

I set up 1 in Miri last one and half  months ago but no nest yet but got bird dropping at leat 3 -5  ....Only fly in no progress yet .....Any idea how to make them breed faster as i know this season is the best .

My shop lot size are 22 x 80, rolving i make 22 x 15.Rest is nesting area.
My temperature now showing 29-32, Got two humidifier and i am using cd from Nest tech, external & internal..I bought it for RM 250. It is a good cd?

Well, i know swifbuild you always not going to share about cd exchange, and here i am not asking you to give to exchange cd with me as u said i can bought it since i go here and there for seminar, correct me if i am wrong, Previous forum you also change your RM 2 K with ppl and why you are so selective about who to send?

We here to share ideas and experience and i do understand you also ask lots of question to improve yourself. not in this forum but other forum too, so again i am serious about understanding Swiftlet farming just like you do...AND again you say i know very little about this industry...well i admit it and after i read thru all your advise , question, i do feel that you also learning.....Rite?

Again, if you don't like me then i am sorry you feel that way.I here not too say thing about you, but just want to remind you , i had nothing against you and i read what you wrote and advise given...and i did learn something from there....So if i did anything wrong to you or hurt your feeling without me knowing then i apologize....

Sorry Guys....for pointing my view like this to swifbuild....this is just to clear thing out.....!

So my apologize to you if i do anthing wrong...n carry on with our knowledge of swiftlet farming.....

Best regards

Handave

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Added on September 12, 2007, 8:09 pm

SEESeng,

The Amp you mentioned ,  does it has a small in build fan inside?
I have seen one same like yrs got the pc fan inside.

Standalone farm do have many advantages. Especually a pioneer farm in few KM radious. There're first day open sound same night got birds stay overnight case.
People choose urban area to build mainly because land price is cheaper. Vegetation come second. Low profile if the site is a distance from the main road. Since there's no guidlines from the authorities on how we should build our standalone farms, building it can be very cost flexible. Lots of cost can be saved from buiding 7-8 feet each floor only. Walls without cement plaster, some plater single side some no plaster at all. Lightweight bricks for 2nd floor onwards wall etc.

In standalone farms people can't play with your bird. There's one real life case where a 4th floor new farm next to a 2 floor old farm which is already fully populated. The owner stay at the 3rd floor below his new farm. One of his "copyright" method to get birds into his new farm is open his 3rd floor window, spray shelltox into next door 2nd floor bird entrance EVERYDAY!   

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Added on September 14, 2007, 8:28 pm
Delay knob is useless for farming. It's mainly for playing audio with lots of musical instrument sound. Adding some delay would add a little realistic feel to it.

Advantages of urban/ulu land standalone farm:
Cheaper land and land not suitable for business usage anyway.
Lots of vegetation and no competition.
Low profile (very important)

Hi, seeseng,weihow n liurmas.

I will be sending u guys a cd (burned copy)which I do a birds test which it attracted hundreds of birds (in 10 minute only) some even came so close to me 1 feet away they tho i am a walking farm. THIS is A POWERFUL CD which cost 2k++++ which I begged from a owner (fren) of a very successful farm. Finally he sell to me. U try u will know!

Please provide add, contact n tel.

At the same time please send cd  to me at : 16 jalan USJ 16/2h, USJ Subang Jaya
476100, Selangor ,Malaysia. tel: 012-3173811.

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Added on May 29, 2007, 11:19 am
My post code Is : 47610  NOT 476100 Sorry for the error

Kent,

YES! its pancing. Af farming is just similar to fishing. 10% of the fishermen get 90% of the fish and the rest 90% fishermen share the 10% fish. Some spend thousands on latest and branded fishing equiments (Shimano) ended catch less fish than those using China made reels or hand lines. Some paid thousands to Boatman to take them to best fishing spot ended up catching selar or kembong.

Seeseng,

Thanks for the info

is there any birdnest association in malaysia?
can intro?

Hi, Sandcool

This is the Bird's nest association in malaysia.

BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI SELANGOR
ADD: 6A JLN RIA SEKINCAN BUSINESS CENTRE, 45400 SEKINCAN SELANGOR

It depend on how many competitors nearby for the birds to test out each farm to decide to stay permanantly. Roving size just nice. How big is the interentrace from roving to nesting? Middle or left right double interentrace to nesting? Personally never test Nest Tech CD I know they have many different one for sales. When you purchase did they ask you where are you going to use the CD? They claim they won't sell the same CD to the same place. How's the sound quality to human ear? How fast the external sound lure birds to come explore after switch on?
29-32 degree seems unusually high for a concrete farm.  Mine wooden farm do min 26 max 31. Try to get readings up from nesting plank/ceiling area as that part is more important. Observe which part of your building get the most direct sunlight and  get temperature reading at that wall/ceiling.

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Added on September 15, 2007, 10:08 am
You haven't bought amps? Don't worry that cheap amp I open up already got big cooling fin inside. Though the price cheap inside the material not chapalang at all. Not high tech but at least the capacitors are Japanese made Rubycon brand. I use that amp for internal sound 24/7 on. It operate at much lower temperature than the 5.1 amp(old amp) I use for external sound. Personally I prefer amp without fan. Why? If a model is design with fan mean it generate quite high heat must have active cooling method. If the fan used is normal sleeve bearing fan when running 24/7 after some time oil inside the bearing will dry off then become spin slower or worse become jammed.  Those without fan already design to work with passive cooling method which won't fail. 

Hi Everyone,

I love to see this discussion group cover such an extend. I am a newbie in this, only 2 weeks knowing such a wonderful business to own. I am particularly impressed with some of the success stories.

I am from Kulim. Anyone from Kulim or near the northern region? Sorry for not able to finish the 22 pages of historical mails, too much to digest with daily work commitment.

Regards,
Frank
Kulim, Kedah

There is a news about the swiftlet hotel in today New Straights Times (September 18,2007 pg 24 Nation), entitled "NO more licences for urban swiftlet hotels".

Is there any farm in kedah?

Is there any farm in kedah?

You should ask "Which state no swiftlet farming?".  I can answer you. NONE! All states got people do farming.  Is there other races doing swiftlet farming besides Chinese? Of course. Nowadays Tom, d***, Harry, Ali, Ah Chong and Ramasamy also do swiftlet farming.