Carpenter need 1 week+ to settle current in hand job. I think they can make it. Pure NH3 of course smell too heavy. Must mix with water. Most of the time we human think what we don't like birds will also dislike. Some people even judge chirping sound by his personal preference without understanding the type of sound in use. Such as colonial sound consist of sound from birds of all ages. Some human said this type of sound very confusing/disturbing.
So as smell. There are birds living happily in farms where human can't even tahan 5 minutes inside. NH3... hohoho classified informations.

This post has been edited by seeseng: Sep 1 2007, 09:00 PM

Seeseng do you thing our homemade NH3 can be use? So are you going to enlarge your dog kennel too? Have you been midtown hotel,the opposite building also got farm the entrance was so big on top of the building some of this near by building use flood light at night and can see bird flying at night also.

I was joking about the homemade ammonia lah. I meant bio ammonia from toilet. Do you mean this farm in the pic? The large area not the entrance to the farm but its purpose like a roving area and shelter the smaller entrance in there from sunlight. Birds will fly cirle in there before go into the nesting area. The light is for anti-owl.


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Seeseng, we can produce ammonia not only from our toilet, there is still other way to produce ammonia. Yes this is picture, oh you mean there is another entrance in there. I saw a lot of ppl start to installing light near the entrance to chase away owl, are we going to face the same problem also? can you tell me the effective way to pancing bird? I see you got so many picture of ppl bird house don't tell me you got picture of the whole terengganu bird house. Are spy or what? Hahaha

This post has been edited by kent kt: Sep 3 2007, 09:31 AM

Normally ammonia is use for new farms to cover up cement smell and other chemical smell faster. Alternatives are wash with water everyday for 2 weeks otherwise use bird shit methods.
Recently quite some farms installed anti-owl lights. For some farms from the location they installed the light (some using normal 4' tubes) their purpose is to anti-"spiderman".
Birds attracted to what? That's the way to pancing birds lah. I got a lot more pics and records. Learn new things by studying other farms.

Hi everyone, butting my stupid head for 1st. post in here. Nope I'm not in this farming just browing inhere for interesting reads. I was in rubber planting before and then it was easy to get ammonia water at latex collecting centres to keep latex from coagulating. Times changed, now people interested in lump rubber instead of latex. But might try to get ammonia if there are latex collection centres. A suggestion if plausible, Fresh Urea disolved in water wont do? Fresh means using unopened package and using solution the same day. Unused urea mut be repacked tightly after use. Ammonia solution is corrosive to metal, so advisable to clean sprayers after use or use plastic(fibre) ones. Cant escape using metal parts though. Sorry to you all if this is a blunddering post.

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Added on September 4, 2007, 3:29 pmOOOpps, sorry for not mentioning earlier(but forummers already know this I think), Urea is an organic fertilzer in granules form, like coarse sugar in appearance.

This post has been edited by inoitu: Sep 4 2007, 03:29 PM

Iya, if like that i will need put more than four tweeter for the outside and make the most louder sound in town Hahaha....and prepare to teh tarik with bandaran ppl Hahaha..... Do you see now more and more bird like playing with niwawa baby centre sound lah and a few bird flying inside also.

On the side of entrace put 2-3 tweeters enaugh lor. 1 on each side upper corner. If your entrace quite wide then 1 at the middle. Remember the theory I told you? 4 tweeters only not loud lah have you seen 12 tweeters just for outside? The niwawa is one of the loudest at volume level. Every morning also give me morning call. Since his hole facing the temple. The farms there feel threaten then they also pump up the volume. Now become sound war liaw. Niwawa's 4 directional tweeter is the mini monkey show of Kg. Cina. There's another bigger monkey show can be watched at Seri Malaysia jetty. Doubled or more the number of birds of Niwawa at same time of the day. Proven 8 directional is useless monkey show only. Attract lots of birds come to play. Then when birds go inside they found outside side louder then U turn back outside to play. Kg. Cina is a bird central which birds will take longer time to test the farms before adapt to it and stay.

This post has been edited by seeseng: Sep 5 2007, 02:14 AM

no...no..no.

This post has been edited by swifbuild: Jan 19 2008, 11:59 AM

Seeseng,
just to let you know, yesterday I visited my farm where I used a home made long range tweeter similar to yours (using 4" PVC pipe). What I found out was very surprising to me, that is there was a dead bird inside the tube. Apparenty this bird was attracted to the sound and went in or fell in (I put at 45 degrees incline). I know that this is very rare and might not happend again, but I put screen anyway to prevent from happening again.

That's the same mistake I made with the first model. Mine 2 dead bird skeleton inside. Please cover the front part with aluminium mesh. For mine I use those alu mesh for chicken farm. If you don't cover it will happen again and again.

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Added on September 5, 2007, 10:08 pmMy roving appear to be too narrow. I'm planning to remove the partition to make smoother flight path for the birds after reading Pak Hen's book. 8 directional tweeter is very effective for bird call test but I don't think it's suitable for the farm. There are many birds play around it and many hang themselves on it. But for those enter the entrace will find it attractive then U turn back to play outside. 2 tweeters at the "lips" of the entrance hole enaugh. Then at 2nd level guidance tweeter can put more.

This post has been edited by seeseng: Sep 5 2007, 10:08 PM

Then you will shut down your 8 directional tweeter la? What will happened if we put too many tweeter inside a small farm? Will it cause any problem?

best amp use denon rm 25k one

This post has been edited by swifbuild: Jan 19 2008, 12:00 PM

I have the option to totally shudown the 8 directional. Another option is use a separate amp and player only for the tweeter with a seprate timer. Make it auto on and off every 10 minutes. With this method still can lure birds from far for 10 minutes then the guidance will do the job of luring inside when the 8D is off. More tweeters inside the nesting area has the advantage of chirp sound can fill up every inch of the farm with lower volume level. Volume too loud birds will have problem with its echo-location.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 1:37 am8D tweeter is fine for farms in swiftlet central to lure birds from nearby farm. Since nothing blocking its sound path so no point setting it loud. The point is when the birds come near to it your inside farm guidance tweeters must be louder than 8D otherwise they'll keep playing with 8D.

That amp come in few types of colour buttons. Same model may have different colour for the knobs but features all same. Upper 4 knobs are Bass, treble, balance and master volume. The seperate knob next to the 4 is Delay. Then small button for channel A and B input changer. Bottom 5 knobs are Echo, Mic bass, Mic treble, Mic1 volume and Mic2 volume. Then the 2 jacks are Mic1 and Mic2. This amp I just bought another unit for sound test at a site 2 days ago. A friend joint venture with land owner to build a standalone farm at an abandoned fruit farm asked me to be the consultant. No other farm at all at the area but can see AF every where. The place is a vegetation area for AF. First 30 seconds sound test already can see AF circling up there. Due to many trees birds only cirle above tree top.

This post has been edited by seeseng: Sep 11 2007, 01:37 AM

Hahaha...is this your first sound test? Amazing right, do you take any picture? how do feel about the place? is good for setup a farm or what?

Mostly ppl feel not secure in joint venture beause:-

1)This is other ppl land not our own land so anytime the owner can take back land ma so why we must take the risk.

2)If you don't mind, i would like to know how is your friend deal with the land owner, what is the rule? is there any agreement involved?

So what equipment you use for sound test? so after the sound test can we said that this AF can be found almost every where not only in terengganu town?

I did many sound tests in town to test different CDs. This is the first out of town test. Some video taken. Around 100 birds came in short period there. It rain not long after we started so we'll conduct another test in early October. This is big investment so better be sure than sorry later. There're no business without any risk at all. So in this case the investor and land owner will have a long term proper agreement stating renting the land for at least 15 years to 20 years. The detail of the deal is not proper to reveal here. Hehehe u want to know we can go drink. Just inform me.

Sound test equipments used are simple. 1 amp, portable MP3 player, cheap 2 core wires and 4 piezo tweeters.

toshiba also can.....

This post has been edited by swifbuild: Jan 19 2008, 12:01 PM

Swifbuild,
Some ppl say they choose ulu place to build their stand alone farm because the nearby fruit farm supply a lot of insect and other food for AF. So AF don't need to go very far to look food. Don't need to worry about competition.

Seeseng,
Regarding the AMP they are a delay control knob in the amp what is the function of this control knob? Are you going to show us the video clips you have taken when you do the sound test recently?

Hi seeseng and swifbuild,
I had been missing for a long time in this forum due to busy with work, How are you guys lately and btw how is your farm doing swifbuild? How many nest alr?

I set up 1 in Miri last one and half months ago but no nest yet but got bird dropping at leat 3 -5 ....Only fly in no progress yet .....Any idea how to make them breed faster as i know this season is the best .

My shop lot size are 22 x 80, rolving i make 22 x 15.Rest is nesting area.
My temperature now showing 29-32, Got two humidifier and i am using cd from Nest tech, external & internal..I bought it for RM 250. It is a good cd?

Well, i know swifbuild you always not going to share about cd exchange, and here i am not asking you to give to exchange cd with me as u said i can bought it since i go here and there for seminar, correct me if i am wrong, Previous forum you also change your RM 2 K with ppl and why you are so selective about who to send?

We here to share ideas and experience and i do understand you also ask lots of question to improve yourself. not in this forum but other forum too, so again i am serious about understanding Swiftlet farming just like you do...AND again you say i know very little about this industry...well i admit it and after i read thru all your advise , question, i do feel that you also learning.....Rite?

Again, if you don't like me then i am sorry you feel that way.I here not too say thing about you, but just want to remind you , i had nothing against you and i read what you wrote and advise given...and i did learn something from there....So if i did anything wrong to you or hurt your feeling without me knowing then i apologize....

Sorry Guys....for pointing my view like this to swifbuild....this is just to clear thing out.....!

So my apologize to you if i do anthing wrong...n carry on with our knowledge of swiftlet farming.....

Best regards

Handave

amp amp nothing all same2

This post has been edited by swifbuild: Jan 19 2008, 12:02 PM