Bro,

Good to hear from you still remember the only active members were Wei how, me and you. I wonder what happened to them now. Those days those who know well in farming don't even want to look at Lowyat.

Now so many are here. I strongly agree with you the freedom of posting has keep this forum going and became famous. Hope this will go on.

Million thanks to you . If its not because of this forum I wouldn't have known a good brother aka friend like you.

Time has passed and we had learned a great deal and hope those who visit Lowyat could benefit.

Thank you the Founder of Lowyat Swiftlet farming.

Sincerely

James

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Sarawak Farmers WE will Stand by you

This post has been edited by swifbuild: Feb 17 2009, 01:04 AM

Dear All,

I have wanted to share some of my views but was flat out for last two weeks till last night bringing much needed humanitarian Aids to 5 flood evacuations Centers in Suai,Niah ,Bakong And marudi on behalf of " People of Malaysia through Mercy Malaysia" . If you think we have problem think again !

The highly esteemed Datuk Lord Canbrook a renowned scientists who worked in Sarawak for many years and together with Dr.Lim Chan Koon co- authored Swiftlets of Borneo was the speaker on Sarawak Swiftlets organized by Sarawak Nature Society in Bintulu last year. He stress that what he call "House Swiftlets " are either a sub species or an Hybrid species that he named " Fuciphagus Domesticus " and would categories as domestic animals like chicken and pigs. He further stress that they cannot survive in the wild and live in towns , abandon buildings and other man made structures like bridges Ect. Ten years ago In Bintulu, these birds started to occupied empty shop lots and on ledges of buildings. They are commonly found under ledges around MAS office and surrounding buildings till today. Also noted that these sub species are distantly different from their caves cousins . Although they share same food sources but have different behaviors and even the nest are of different compositions. Hopefully our Malaysian scientist will do further study and do a DNA profiling on this special gift from God to the under privilege people of Sarawak.

I further asked Lord Carnbrook on what will happen if they are forcefully evicted from the shophouses. He feared that most will parish in bad weather conditions like now. Some will migrate like their forefathers migrated from Indonesia to Malaysia about 10 years ago during the forest fire and haze due to Logging and forest destruction' s for oil palm . Sarawak we may be killing the goose that lay the golden eggs. This can be adverted if farmers are given license and time to build stand alone and let the swiftlets move them self to these standalone as BH in shop lots are being phase out .

Scientist say that Swiftlets cannot be force to move like chicken or pigs., but lay man who only attended a seminar in KT together with me about a year ago become an " EXPERT " . Being a good and amusing writer can talk to and convinced many people with authority who have little knowledge on Swiftlets. This is dangerous as this will destroy an industry that is the core business of many farmers whose livelihood solely depend on Swiftlets Farming. Many families and lives will be destroy just to satisfy some individuals EGO !!

The biggest lost is Sarawak as the Seed are also being destroyed as panicking farmers in Bintulu, Serikai, Miri, Sibu, Mukah and Kuching are now as I am writing are throwing away eggs and baby swiftlets by the thousands in order to harvest as many nest as possible . To add insult to injuries they fear that if evidents of swiftlets farming are found , apparatus like amplifiers , speakers and so on they will be slap with a compound fine of RM5000.00. I hope that these rumors are unfounded.

For the record I do agree with the authorities that sustainable Swiftlets farming should be carried out in Agriculture land as I clearly stated in my earlier article. WE beg for extension of grace period to allowed the ranchers who have shown commitment to relocate and have submitted their application to the Forestry Department to remain status quo until they have being granted the necessary licenses and a time frame to complete their stand alond BH in agriculture land before their present BH is being Closed. Its not unreasonable to ask for this small consideration. This will at least protect the livelihood of many farmers for at least 2 years. For those who refused to comply will be responsible for their own actions.

Where as the GAHP is very necessary for serious farmers ,but what shocked me is the venue was used by none other then the Secretary on the Sarawak Swiftlets Association to promote his Eco Park. How can the organizer allowed this. This Mr. Wong So and So repeated at least 6 times that he is trying to help the swiftlets farmers. HA HA is he giving us 1 unit each free of charge ?? My Foot ! Dear all readers I have traveled far and wide ot observe the best method of Swiftlets Farming . I like to ask Mr. Secretary Wong of Kuching to show us where is a successful Swiftlets ECO park in Malaysia and Indonisia except for a few units within the park. In Kuching ?? The total populations of Swiftlets in Kuching will only fill up 2 BH in Mukah ro Serikai so don't be fooled. Any buyer should demand to only pay a deposit and the balance paid to a stake holder and only to release the balance once there are 300 nest (real ones not FAKE ones ) in the BH. If this conditions can be met I will be the first one to Book one unit. By the way with 300 nest Mr. Wong will keep for himself. SHAME SHAME!! So please readers be careful. Wish you all good luck and god bless. BEN

--- On Sun, 2/15/09, tang swee nam <tangsn_tp@yahoo. com> wrote:

Cursing someone can sometime come true. Someone once cursed another BH owner because of his selfishness that during that week, that guy passed away at the age of only 50+....

So, with 60,000 and many more curses to whom we all know, maybe one curse do come true......but I won't want to be the one to curse...ha.ha.ha and what if my curse do come true!!!!!!

Just to keep you all focus..... don't curse and be nice

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Added on February 16, 2009, 7:08 pmAnyone with common sense will not invest in Eco Park unless it is for human and not birds. Out of 100 BHs in Eco Park, only 10 may survive and are you in the the 10%...........if the number of BHs in the Park increases, the percentages drop..............maybe, if you are going to invest, better buy a piece of land and builf your own BH. Since Ben has already informed you who is behind the Eco Park, there are even more reasons for BH owners to decline to buy @ Eco Parks esp. in Sarawah.

Above, are my honest suggestion.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 16 2009, 07:08 PM

Ben Chai,

Please don't get it wrong from me. That piece of news was reported by Bernama and I brought it up because when Harry mentioned "Theorictically ..." everyone in the forum started attacking him which I think is not fair and when you mentioned again about moving after 2 years, I have my doubt which is why I am asking is that a misreporting?. If you have other motive for saying that then I have no comments. FYI my farm is not a FAILED farm AND I HAVE NEVER ASKED HARRY FOR ADVISE. . Harry and you visited my farm is purely a courtesy visit and nothing to do with advising me. Hope you correct what YOU have said in this forum. For your info my farm has more than 50 nests after 1 year and 5 months and when Harry and you visited my farm there are already a few nests. Its not my type to criticise or side another member. What I want to see is TRUTh prevail.

"One stupid person working is better than 100 clever person doing nothing."



This post has been edited by Tirokswifts: Feb 16 2009, 07:16 PM

Hi Terok,

Sorry to me in KT 50 nest in 1.5 years is a failed farm. In Mukah 100 nest in 1 year is a failed farm the one taken down by forestry Dept.last year 1000 nest in 2.5 years.

Even with small bird population in Miri my shared 2.5 years old BH have more then 3000 birds and havesting 1.3kg per month. Ask any one in Miri. Is working smart and not working hard man. "Quote Pak Han 95% skill and 5% luck Unquote".

But all this will be taken down at 9 am wendsday 18.2.09. That why I am so pissss!!!

Ben

Ben,

I respect you because you are an old man but not what you have commented. Different places have different conditions. Mine is a standalone farm and the 1st. in my area. so circumstances are different. this shows that you still don't understand about swiftlet farming. You don't need to show off in this forum. So, please don't give your biased comment. I am also pissed off.

This post has been edited by Tirokswifts: Feb 16 2009, 08:00 PM

Uncle Ben,

Don't waste time on them...You have better things to do then wasting time with h kaki's.... no offence, i not talking about anyone.

Just want uncle ben to take a rest n face the uphill tasks of fighting for sarawak farmers.....


TAKE SOME REST GUYS......

CONCENTRATE WITH THE D-DAY......

DON'T WASTE TIME WITH FOOLS......

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what u mean show off.he can show off but can u, 1.5 years with only 50 nest kao peh kao boh.even my fren 5 months oso got 30nests.then u said difference place have conditions.BTW u got so call duresss why not test good good then invest on it.eco park more good ma buy there la. u tot ben doing this is for money ? farming is just his hobby he can help alot of ppls out there with his 6+ years strenght and own pocket moneyand what had u done so well to help the sosiety tell me.he is old and u are a boy HAU SANG CHAI ??? u piss off.... i see u in front me i piisss ur face ahhh

good f**k,,,,,,

he sees this swiftlet nest farming world tru an key hole only ma,,,,

Thanks C.K.

I wish some people can follow this old man on a two weeks flood relief missions. You know I am a straight shooter and I don't know how to do it any other way. Well I guess that why my orginization trusted me with so much public money. I put my money where my mouth is and is a major financial construbuter to our Sarawak Missions.

Maybe successful farmer with 50 nest in 1.5 years can donate a little to a Citizen Shelter that I am building this year also jokes aside , We are providing FREE FUNERAL to poor people who cannot afford a coffin.

Thanks for support.

BEN

First one in that area, a feeding ground plus situated along the flying path. 50 nests in 1.5 years is a SAD story.

Call it whatever you want but it COULD be much better.

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Added on February 16, 2009, 9:11 pmThere is a lot of room for improvement.

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Added on February 16, 2009, 9:13 pm1000 nests in 2.5 yrs in Mukah......no wonder someone got jelez.

This post has been edited by coolandy: Feb 16 2009, 09:13 PM

Coolandy,

SAD STORY, so what!!. I am happy with what I have.

Let's TRUTH prevail.

SHOW SOME RESPECT !!!!....


Those not familiar with our beloved Uncle Ben,

http://www.mercy.org.my/main/index.php

This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 16 2009, 09:36 PM

Hi Kuching Farmer,

Don,t be so hard with our friend he is seeking some glory an comment on things he don't fully undrstand.

I have dismantled my 6 months old BH and havested 11 full nest , 3 with chicks are still in the BH and 3 fundation about 1/2 inch. Total 17 nest wah ! thanks to Pah Han. Skill Lah. Will the loss of my BH affect my portfolio ??? Ha! Ha! Ha!

Without any BH myself I have the guts to fight for many of my friends to protect their lifelihood. I may have offended some Govt. Officers and politicians fighting for the rights of others, but I am in the same league with them and will speak to them as I did to Mr. Terok.

Its 10.30 pm now I have received 1 sms and 4 call from my fellow BH owners to make sure that I will be with then at 8.00 am tomorrow morning. I wonder Why ??

Mr. Kuching Farmer "Don't argue with fools as they win everytime from experiences"

Thanks for support.

Ben

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Added on February 16, 2009, 10:45 pmHi Kuching Farmer,

Don,t be so hard with our friend he is seeking some glory an comment on things he don't fully undrstand.

I have dismantled my 6 months old BH and havested 11 full nest , 3 with chicks are still in the BH and 3 fundation about 1/2 inch. Total 17 nest wah ! thanks to Pah Han. Skill Lah. Will the loss of my BH affect my portfolio ??? Ha! Ha! Ha!

Without any BH myself I have the guts to fight for many of my friends to protect their lifelihood. I may have offended some Govt. Officers and politicians fighting for the rights of others, but I am in the same league with them and will speak to them as I did to Mr. Terok.

Its 10.30 pm now I have received 1 sms and 4 call from my fellow BH owners to make sure that I will be with then at 8.00 am tomorrow morning. I wonder Why ??

Mr. Kuching Farmer "Don't argue with fools as they win everytime from experiences"

Thanks for support.

Ben

This post has been edited by benchai: Feb 16 2009, 10:45 PM

Gentlemen,
We can debate and argue sensibly and positively but please stop pissing on each other, at least, for the time being. Remember all of us are on the same ‘SAMPAN’ with leaking holes now. Right at this moment, our Sarawakian brothers are ants on hot pan trying to fight to save their lifelong saving and investment desperately. Their D-day is just hours away.
Up in the North, there will be a MESYARAT JAWATATANKUASA PERANCANG NEGERI KEDAH on 17.02.09 in which an IDIOT is presenting a paper, CADANGAN PEMINDAHAN PETEMPATAN SEMENTARA/KEDIAMAN BURUNG WALET OLEH PRESIDEN AWESOME SWIFTLET FARMING. (MAIN OBJECTIVE OF THIS PRESENTATION IS TO OUTLINE THE POSSIBILITIES OF MOVING SWIFTLET BIRDHOUSES (AF) FROM TOWN AREAS TO INDUSTRIAL OR AGRICULTURAL LAND.) One of the topics is: How to move a birdhouse population?

So, please don’t distract Benchai and his team from concentrating to carry out their sacred mission for JUSTICE. We need more positive outputs. Let’s pray and hope they can do it successfully.

Ohh.....Lucas1......You now really make me f***ing angry with The President Of Awesome Swiftlet Farming !!!!......read the title also make me shout !!!....


` LMKCFH !!!!!'

`HKC!!!!'......

Mind my language.....And this go to all his supporters here too.....


I am only an ordinary farmer....So...thats how i expressed my feeling loh !!!...


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I am neither pro this or that but that I am just for the betterment of swiftlet.
Who is right and who is wrong.... History will tell

Once, my uncle told me this, care not what each and everyone think of you and if you do, you end up doing nothing. Think of what's right and what you think of yourself.......if you think you are doing right.....then do it.... .and let future pass the judgement on you and hope that History may say " Here lie a MAN, a real MAN"

So, listen to all but just do it which you think is right as everyone will have own opinions on it .................if you follow everyone's suggestions, you will end up doing nothing and will be blamed by all. If you do what's right fot the industry, as least you will have the majority behind you.....care not about the minority as never all people think the same.

Pls. forget all the F*** and the C**** cos we will not be thinking of how to solve the problem but to bad mouth others.

Above are my little words of advice on the present forum climate and it't hot and many will die before any good can happen. Be free to comment but not now as the battle is here and we are fighting among ourself.

Tirokswift, I wish not to hear your defend for your friend cos' the more you try, the more you get hurt yourself (I feel sad for you) I rather wish to hear from you on what going on and what do you think and what have been done if any by your friend if any and hope that he have corrected the errors, we human do make mistakes but it is the very difficulty to admit it and it take a great man to admit his own mistakes. Hope that your friend will correct any wrong and end up in History as what I stated above.......

TO ISMAIL AHMAD AKA HARRY.

Please consider dropping your presentation paper...

We plead to you as you are the only one been invited to represent us...

Please for the sake of swiftlet farming community...please...

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Added on February 17, 2009, 9:15 amINFORMATION FROM UNCLE BEN,

the operation has started in MIRI now....

My Heart sink to the lowest.....tears drops.......

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Added on February 17, 2009, 10:02 amGUESS BY NOW THE MEETING IN KEDAH ALREADY STARTED OR MAYBE THEY ARE HAVING TEA BREAKS WITH SOME LOVELY NASI LEMAK DROP IN...

THIS MEETING IS NOT ONLY FOR KEDAH STATE...

OVER 100++ PBT OFFICERS ATTENDING THE MEETING TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE NATIONAL GUIDELINES...

( DO YOU NOW UNDERSTAND THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS MATTER ?? MR MAH??

STILL WANT TO WAIT FOR ENDORSED COPY ONLY ACTION ??

SELANGOR BN ASSOCIATION IS WHO??

YOU ONLY HAVE 100+ MEMBERS??....DO YOU THINK YOU ARE THE WHO??

I AM ONE OF THE MEMBER, 0003....diao !!!....0007 BETTER .....hehe... )


LUCKILY, WE HAVE CALIBER N INFLUENTIAL PEOPLES AROUND THIS FORUM AND MANAGED TO ALERT AND MANAGED TO GET A FEW SEATS TO JOIN IN AND VOICE OUR VIEWS ON THE DRAFT NATIONAL GUIDELINES.

BESIDES DAVID LIM N HIS FRIEND, THE PRESIDENT OF MALAYSIAN BN ASSOCIATION IS IN THE MEETING....THANKS TO THE HELP OF OUR MEMBERS HERE WHO ALERTED HIM...BROTHER K??...

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This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 17 2009, 10:02 AM

V1 concluded and closed. Please proceed further discussion in V2

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/938524

Thanks.