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LYN Power Tools Discussion V2, Bosch, Makita, Dewalt, Dremel etc
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ianlti
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Feb 17 2020, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(playboy88 @ Feb 17 2020, 11:24 AM) hi all sifu, i looking for an cordless drill for house use, it must able to drill wall. what is the best option i can go for? what is the price likely will be what kind of wall? Concrete or brick?
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ijan
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Feb 17 2020, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(ianlti @ Feb 17 2020, 11:28 AM) when labor = sg/us then tools investment will come accordingly. I hire those general workers before they prefer cheap tools due to the reason it will overheat easily and sometimes breakdown during work. They will take that as an excuse to snake. Recently I hire someone to core a 6" hole in a 400mm RC slab. Main con said they can do it without hiring professionals. During the commission day, they bought low-end tools which cost them 1.5k and fail to core the slab ended up wasting 1 full day of a workday. (1 Engineer 1 supervisor 2 GW) 8hours you can estimate the manpower wasted and downtime cost too. I overwrite the main-con and hired professional corer who used Hilti/Shibuya and they can core each hole through 16mm RB 400mm Slab about 30min per hole. After the job that main-con was banned from the tendering list. right on, experience from the field. Time is gold. Currently ada project RM450k to transfer equipment from one building to one building. sounds so simple. By right, i can cut cost, get GW to pindah it, pocket 445k for other aspect of the project. But then, something rosak, kena repair, project time over, kena penalty up to 3% of contract cost per day. Not worth the risk ler.
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ianlti
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Feb 17 2020, 12:24 PM
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Most people who hire a contractor to renovate house never sign an agreement on when to deliver if over the due date what is the penalty, although drafting the agreement might cost some money but if it is about 5% of your renovation cost I think personally is worth it. It is to protect yourself as a client so that you pay for what you get.
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Skylinestar
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Feb 17 2020, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(amco @ Feb 16 2020, 05:56 PM) The Bosch GBH 2-24 DRE rotary hammer is good even for contractor. If you are only home use, any rotary hammer will suffice. Will the Stanley SHR263KA-Rotary Hammer Drill suffice? https://shopee.com.my/Stanley-3-Modes-SDS-P...5224.2289780316This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Feb 17 2020, 02:07 PM
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Zot
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Feb 17 2020, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Feb 17 2020, 02:04 PM) More than enough. Stanley even has 2 years warranty
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SUSceo684
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Feb 17 2020, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(playboy88 @ Feb 17 2020, 11:24 AM) hi all sifu, i looking for an cordless drill for house use, it must able to drill wall. what is the best option i can go for? what is the price likely will be Concrete wall or brick wall (clay/sand brick)? Brick wall any 12V bosch or makita cordless will do. 12V tools below 400 drill+battery+charger Concrete wall need to reevaluate options as 18V drill/18V rotary hammer costs more.
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SUSceo684
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Feb 17 2020, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Feb 17 2020, 02:04 PM) Yup this will work fine. You might need to buy drill bits for it. SDS plus bits will be plug and play. A lot of good-brand bits going cheap online nowadays from Bosch/Hitachi/Makita as well.
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Syie9^_^
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Feb 17 2020, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(ianlti @ Feb 17 2020, 12:58 PM) when labor = sg/us then tools investment will come accordingly. I hire those general workers before they prefer cheap tools due to the reason it will overheat easily and sometimes breakdown during work. They will take that as an excuse to snake. Recently I hire someone to core a 6" hole in a 400mm RC slab. Main con said they can do it without hiring professionals. During the commission day, they bought low-end tools which cost them 1.5k and fail to core the slab ended up wasting 1 full day of a workday. (1 Engineer 1 supervisor 2 GW) 8hours you can estimate the manpower wasted and downtime cost too. I overwrite the main-con and hired professional corer who used Hilti/Shibuya and they can core each hole through 16mm RB 400mm Slab about 30min per hole. After the job that main-con was banned from the tendering list. that`s what i`m resonate about in msia. real efficiency. not some undercut to get project done. if they did the right things; instead resorting to cheapskate method to yield end result..it wont be that damaging to the main-con. how`s the cost after "getting the real pros" in? This post has been edited by Syie9^_^: Feb 17 2020, 04:59 PM
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ianlti
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Feb 17 2020, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Feb 17 2020, 04:59 PM) that`s what i`m resonate about in msia. real efficiency. not some undercut to get project done. if they did the right things; instead resorting to cheapskate method to yield end result..it wont be that damaging to the main-con. how`s the cost after "getting the real pros" in?  Main con bare all the cost, well tbh professional charge reasonable price for the amount of job being done and most importantly they always ahead of schedule.
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Syie9^_^
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Feb 17 2020, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(ianlti @ Feb 17 2020, 10:27 PM) Main con bare all the cost, well tbh professional charge reasonable price for the amount of job being done and most importantly they always ahead of schedule. for real?  that really burn them i wont mind paying reasonable price too as long it get it done it right and on time and no issue. thats the concept local construction dont seem to grasp. everyone can make profit/revenue; if they do the right thing and SOP and deliverance on time.
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Zot
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Feb 18 2020, 04:58 AM
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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Feb 17 2020, 09:03 PM) for real?  that really burn them i wont mind paying reasonable price too as long it get it done it right and on time and no issue. thats the concept local construction dont seem to grasp. everyone can make profit/revenue; if they do the right thing and SOP and deliverance on time. This is where the agreement between the subcon and main con is important.
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playboy88
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Feb 18 2020, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(ianlti @ Feb 17 2020, 11:29 AM) what kind of wall? Concrete or brick? both, any good recommendation ?
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playboy88
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Feb 18 2020, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Feb 17 2020, 04:03 PM) Concrete wall or brick wall (clay/sand brick)? Brick wall any 12V bosch or makita cordless will do. 12V tools below 400 drill+battery+charger Concrete wall need to reevaluate options as 18V drill/18V rotary hammer costs more. If the 18V drill, what the cost likely will be? i got other hammer with cord, not really like to use it, but drill concrete it like a champ...lol
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Zot
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Feb 18 2020, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(playboy88 @ Feb 18 2020, 12:23 PM) If the 18V drill, what the cost likely will be? i got other hammer with cord, not really like to use it, but drill concrete it like a champ...lol I guess RM700~1k for branded one
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SUSceo684
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Feb 19 2020, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 18 2020, 01:09 PM) I guess RM700~1k for branded one Yeah around there. The tool is not expensive but after adding battery and charger it costs more. Bosch GBH 180 Li - https://shopee.com.my/COMBO-Bosch-GBH180-LI...7548.1559405712Makita has more range (need to see see). Offerings on shopee not that great (suggest to consider batt+charger price as well as solo unit price) https://shopee.com.my/Makita-18V-Mobile-Bru...8956.2848854267https://shopee.com.my/Makita-HR166DSMJ-WAE1...8956.1947162494
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Zot
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Feb 19 2020, 08:20 AM
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Feb 19 2020, 08:14 AM) Yeah around there. The tool is not expensive but after adding battery and charger it costs more. Bosch GBH 180 Li - https://shopee.com.my/COMBO-Bosch-GBH180-LI...7548.1559405712Makita has more range (need to see see). Offerings on shopee not that great (suggest to consider batt+charger price as well as solo unit price) https://shopee.com.my/Makita-18V-Mobile-Bru...8956.2848854267https://shopee.com.my/Makita-HR166DSMJ-WAE1...8956.1947162494The seller sometimes just show the lowest price just to bait people. When you click, it is just drill bit (for example)
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chamelion
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Feb 19 2020, 08:27 AM
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Dont buy battery type heavy duty tool if you are not a contractor. Battery replacement is not cheap.
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Zot
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Feb 19 2020, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE(chamelion @ Feb 19 2020, 08:27 AM) Dont buy battery type heavy duty tool if you are not a contractor. Battery replacement is not cheap. I think this is a good advise. The only practical cordless tool is probably simple drill driver in my opinion. If you are just doing work in workshop or around your house, traditional corded tool is the wise choice, unless you don't know what to do with excess money you have
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SUSceo684
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Feb 19 2020, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(ijan @ Feb 17 2020, 09:15 AM) they dun use cordless or chuck driver/drill, impact or whatnot semua pakai drill biasa, tarik extension wire torn here and there, no plug cucuk 2 wire in. Pasang signboard 4 storeys high pakai wire china drill, took the time to tarik wire and all. Sometimes its the matter of cost, but the question is efficiency. But ada hal any china tool also makes no difference la, but sometimes, it matters. Just more time. However of late (2019+) I noticed shop contractors starting to use cordless tools though.
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Zot
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Feb 19 2020, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Feb 19 2020, 02:29 PM) However of late (2019+) I noticed shop contractors starting to use cordless tools though.  Contractors different story. Sometime they need to do renovation on new house where there is no electricity yet. Last time it was a problem. Need to bring portable generator
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