I'm quite sure the Asus VRM uses better mosfets that are more efficient than Gigabyte which is using mediocre/low end mosfets, similar in quality with MSI in their B350 mb's. Asrock may only have 3 power phases for the cpu but it doubled up all the components so the VRM will probably run alot cooler which is important since heat seems to be an issue for 6/8 core builds.

Nice community of enthusiasts here

Recently, I also want to make a rig with similar budget to replace my very old laptop... RM conversion to USD are too much for me to buy another decent laptop XD

Hence, I have to do my research for making rig, last time was more than 15years... hahaha...  hiks... I'm getting old...

Regarding to this comment...
^most of the statements are solid. However, for b350 series of Gigabyte aren't that tolerant to heat unfortunately: https://youtu.be/ZGrxhf_xZWI?t=14m10s
Just get only if you get a good price and make sure get the one with heatsink unless only 4 cores processor used. if only based on VRM, I'll take MSI boards with 4+2 designs any day.

Concerning TS questions for mother boards: the sweet spot would be Asrock b350 pro4 priced around 4XXRM although it is only 3+2 VRM but it has all the necessary things like 2 x m.2 slot! specifically if your work requires a lot of disk space, you can just pop in NVME drive in the future once it is cheaper / you have the budget. Unless you plan to overlock 3+2 VRM would be just fine.

Additionally, waiting for another couple of months would be better options if possible. Until the support of the new architecture is stabilised. There are always "bugs" for new tech... specifically ryzen has significant changes compared to previous generation... I know shops will hate me by sharing this fact

Additionally, in order to put more oil to the discussion, memory quality (speed and latency) is important when you build Ryzen based rig for overall performance (either for gaming or productivity) due to it's Infinity Fabric architecture, and yet the BIOS for Ryzen is not yet optimal at this moment. The current high performance memory are settings are for Intel. This doesn't mean you can get high performance in Ryzen, "just" requires some manual settings to get it the performance otherwise it will be clocked at lower speed or higher latency. And only some mobos allowed to change this settings at the moment; mostly high end as far as I know: X370 based XD

Nevertheless, thanks for AMD for releasing Ryzen as it makes PC building more sophisticated and fun again!

I'm quite sure the Asus VRM uses better mosfets that are more efficient than Gigabyte which is using mediocre/low end mosfets, similar in quality with MSI in their B350 mb's. Asrock may only have 3 power phases for the cpu but it doubled up all the components so the VRM will probably run alot cooler which is important since heat seems to be an issue for 6/8 core builds.

which asus board, can be specific?

There is some youtube and review that oledi confirm of vrm, but not every model. Below is the vrm of mobo which confirmed. Asrock only 3 power phase but not doubler. Current B350 range which confirmed vrm easily hit 100'c on 4+2/3 vrm with heatsink applied when run under 1.4v for oc, but still in safe range. Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 and Asus B350 plus both using onsemi mosfet.

B350 mobo range
MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon (4x2+2 nikosemi,unconfirmed) > Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 (4+3 onsemi) > Asus Prime B-350 Plus (4+2 onsemi) > Biostar B350GT3 (4+3 sinosemi) > MSI B350M Tomahawk~Mortar Arctic (4+2 nikosemi)
> Asrock AB350(M) Pro4(3(X2)+3 nikosemi) = Asrock AB350M-HDV (4+3 nikosemi,unconfirmed) > MSI B350M Gaming Pro (3+2 nikosemi)

https://youtu.be/ZGrxhf_xZWI
You don't understand what I said, see the video which was posted earlier by hairy.
Asus mosfets are better quality and so the VRMs will run cooler than 4+3 Gigabyte. The soc side VRM doesn't have to supply much power so it is relatively unimportant.
Asrock has 6 phases for the cpu side VRM, theres more than 1 method of doubling. The cpu side VRM will run cooler because theres more components to deliver the power.
According to the this german review,
"They run all quite hot, the gigabyte B350 Gaming is the worst, over 110 degrees with a 1800X stock. Biostar up to 100, Asrock over 80. Best ist the Asus B350 with under 80"

Users are reporting >110C ~1.3-1.4V with Gigabyte. 110C might still be within spec but thats not good since there are other nearby components which will be affected badly by high heat. Typically motherboards will throttle or shutdown at around 125C for VRMs.

https://youtu.be/ZGrxhf_xZWI
You don't understand what I said, see the video which was posted earlier by hairy.
Asus mosfets are better quality and so the VRMs will run cooler than 4+3 Gigabyte. The soc side VRM doesn't have to supply much power so it is relatively unimportant.
Asrock has 6 phases for the cpu side VRM, theres more than 1 method of doubling. The cpu side VRM will run cooler because theres more components to deliver the power.
According to the this german review,
"They run all quite hot, the gigabyte B350 Gaming is the worst, over 110 degrees with a 1800X stock. Biostar up to 100, Asrock over 80. Best ist the Asus B350 with under 80"

Users are reporting >110C ~1.3-1.4V with Gigabyte. 110C might still be within spec but thats not good since there are other nearby components which will be affected badly by high heat. Typically motherboards will throttle or shutdown at around 125C for VRMs.

I'm know that soc side didnt consume much for ryzen, its necessarily only for next gen apu. I replied with stated both using onsemi mosfet, didnt talk bout 3 or 2 phase of soc, just fyi, gigabyte not really using a lower end mosfet.

From pic which confirmed revealed i googled, Gigabyte and asus using similar onsemi mosfet, asus using  4C09B+2x 4C06B, and gigabyte using  4C10N+2x 4C06N. But maybe there is batch of mobo using lower quality mosfet, and both mobo using different power phase controller, so is it will impact temp? i m not sure, because i'm found temp imaging in tweaktown for x370 range onli.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRG_LjUl8Q
Accordinng to bullzoder, Asrock does using 6 inductor, but it actually only run in 3 power phase, no doubler, the temp is lower maybe due to 2 inductor per phase. But its only 3 phase.

Anyway, if u need better lifespan, B350 not a really good choice for long run load with high OC, this is the reason i m not recommend B350 range mobo for heavy oc user. From lllk experience with his asrock X370 k4 which is lower tier X370 range with 4x2 power phase, exceed 70'c under 1.3v oc.
In the fact, if heavy oc, its not hard to expect around 100 or more than 100 for temp with B350 range mobo.

P/S: stock of ryzen always not really efficiency of volt when heavy load than oc.

I'm know that soc side didnt consume much for ryzen, its necessarily only for next gen apu. I replied with stated both using onsemi mosfet, didnt talk bout 3 or 2 phase of soc, just fyi, gigabyte not really using a lower end mosfet.

From pic which confirmed revealed i googled, Gigabyte and asus using similar onsemi mosfet, asus using  4C09B+2x 4C06B, and gigabyte using  4C10N+2x 4C06N. But maybe there is batch of mobo using lower quality mosfet, and both mobo using different power phase controller, so is it will impact temp? i m not sure, because i'm found temp imaging in tweaktown for x370 range onli.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRG_LjUl8Q
Accordinng to bullzoder, Asrock does using 6 inductor, but it actually only run in 3 power phase, no doubler, the temp is lower maybe due to 2 inductor per phase. But its only 3 phase.

Anyway, if u need better lifespan, B350 not a really good choice for long run load with high OC, this is the reason i m not recommend B350 range mobo for heavy oc user. From llk experience with his asrock X370 k4 which is lower tier X370 range with 4x2 power phase, exceed 70'c under 1.3v oc.
In the fact, if heavy oc, its not hard to expect around 100 or more than 100 for temp with B350 range mobo.

P/S: stock of ryzen always not really efficiency of volt when heavy load than oc.

From HWMonitor, which temp is the VRM reading?

It should be quite obvious we are talking about current Ryzen cpus not apus.

You're incorrect, the previous video by buildzoid clearly says that the Asus has better mosfets and what he says is backed up by multiple reviews show the same model numbers so there is no dispute there. The Asus uses the 4c09b which has a better rating than the Gigabyte 4c10n for the high side mosfet. The low side have the same rating for both brands. I've already provided a link which showed a good review showing significant differences in temps. And many users have reported similar high temps.

You clearly missed the part in the video which shows that the Asrock has double the number of high side mosfets of Gigabyte and not just the inductors which will help bring the heat down. Asrock doesn't have a real 9 phase design but the components in the VRM power stages are 9 phase.

The point is not about long term heavy overclocking but your clumsy motherboard rating based on the number of phases.

I used the numbers given by the stock 1800x since if a motherboard cannot handle stock clocks, it will not overclock properly at all.

But I've been using Ryzen setup for more than 2 months now leh, very stable. What else people want?

I see, so double of mosfet will decrease of temp, thanks. Anyway, a b350 range mobo can handle overclock properly even with lower tier mosfet because there r lot user of 1700 using B350, ppl commonly wont pair most expensive 1800x with B350 range, just a high temp and may toast ur mobo if full loading in long term use.

No bug. No bluescreen. No bootup issues.

All running perfect. I use Adobe Premiere Pro for video works with it. I play Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm and StarCraft II on it.

Zero hiccups till date, even with 1700 overclocked.

OK la, hiccup / bluescreen only during overclock test - that one don't count.

^ Did you update your BIOS recently? care to share what is your setup? I'm quite curious specifically in the memory department, if you don't mind, kindly share the memory spec (clock/speed/voltage) spec vs actual.
This is my current concern to postpone hahaha... as the RAM price now is hiked, I want to be as closed as the spec it stated LOL

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I manually set to 15-17-17-35 with 1.35vdimm as per the specs.

^ double mosfet will indeed decrease temp one of the reason is due to surface area. Since, you like Gigabyte, they used to have 2oz copper super durable something... can't remember exactly... that's also meant to minimise the resistance from delivery from VRM to CPU socket, this also reducing heat as resistance = heat But I guess Gigabyte no longer selling this, maybe replacing it with RGB LED as it is more obvious to see although it doesn't bring any performance benefit XD

And I agree that most people who buy the 1800x will be most likely pairing it with x370 series mobo instead. However, who know's you might upgrade your CPU in the future when the price is lower as I heard that AM4 would be supported like 4 years; good for cheapskate like me LOL. Though no one could guarantee. https://www.extremetech.com/computing/24225...zes-hard-launch

Nevertheless, I just want to get the most of my budget, most bang for the bucks I don't really bother about the brand.

^ Did you update your BIOS recently? care to share what is your setup? I'm quite curious specifically in the memory department, if you don't mind, kindly share the memory spec (clock/speed/voltage) spec vs actual.
This is my current concern to postpone hahaha... as the RAM price now is hiked, I want to be as closed as the spec it stated LOL

Thanks and that's nice freq and tight latency where did you get this lpx series corsair?
I assumes you use x370 chipset mobo with external memory clock generator / modulator to get that frequency

As my problem is OCed 3.8 @1.25v stability under aida64 and cinebench, but now suddenly cannot run well, no matter i change to newer bios and get it works 1 times, and failed... the ram corsair vengeance led 3000mhz i bought before ryzen release cannot run initial clocks with taichi.

But overalll, these r minor issue that will frustrated if a user OSD, otherwise, its still a best value of performance/bucks than intel currently.