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 eUT / POEMs / Phillip Mutual Berhad UT discussion, Coz' Fundsupermart not cheapo enuf'!

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aoisky
post Apr 18 2017, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 03:21 PM)
It's considered cheap for malaysian standard. For SG standard no. Why? Some banks in Singapore are charging 0.75% service charge laugh.gif
I will open an account with them in the future.
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why hesitate ? why not now but future ?
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post Apr 18 2017, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Apr 18 2017, 03:19 PM)
Indeed FSM not cheap enough but then how many of you have account in eUT now ?
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I have account with eUT.

I don't do DCA. So I have equity funds with eUT. I only do non-fixed interval top ups.
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post Apr 18 2017, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Apr 18 2017, 03:25 PM)
why hesitate ? why not now but future ?
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Because I have no need for it now? I am in the process of moving my funds to SG. I don't need to open this account now. I need eUT to park my United bond fund money in Malaysia. Seeing that they don't have that fund for sale, I can't buy from them. Hence useless for me to open account with them at this moment.

To answer your question regarding xuzen account is on what platform of course it's on FSM (iFast is the oswner of FSM)
https://www.ifastcapital.com.my/ifast/advis...t-services.svdo

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Wrap Account

Wrap Account allows advisers to wrap their clients' investments into a single account. Such consolidation allows the adviser to monitor and rebalance their investors' portfolio through different investment and economic cycles more efficiently without additional switching cost, clients are entitled to unlimited free switching cost, clients are entitled to unlimited free switching between unit trusts from the same or different fund houses.

The unique proposition of Wrap Account is that it aligns both clients' and advisers' interest to grow the investment portfolio. Wrap Account emcompasses both the commission and annual wrap fee(annual recurring fee) to remunerate the advisers for managing the investors' portfolio.


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post Apr 18 2017, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 03:30 PM)
Because I have no need for it now? I am in the process of moving my funds to SG. I don't need to open this account now. I need eUT to park my United bond fund money in Malaysia. Seeing that they don't have that fund for sale, I can't buy from them. Hence useless for me to open account with them at this moment.

To answer your question regarding xuzen account is on what platform of course it's on FSM (iFast is the oswner of FSM)
https://www.ifastcapital.com.my/ifast/advis...t-services.svdo
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then this wrap account not suitable for you lor
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post Apr 18 2017, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 12:30 PM)
I don't know. I don't have any account with them. What I know it's excatly like FSM except that when they have promo you get to buy funds at 0% service charge. All bond funds bought from them during promo does not kena service charge. eUT memang does not charge platform fees for bond fund. They charge you 1% service charge for bond fund.

They are different. If you have account with MY side, you will still need to register with SG side if you want to invest in SG UT. They don't share database of customer despite both are same company (Phillip). One is Phillip MY, one is Phillip SG.

Hope this explains everything.
Never look at service charge. Look at discount in the market. Discount of service charge is just bonus.
Better reply here. Nanti org marah  ranting.gif
Precisely. I cannot meet the RM5k/fund topup everytime.
Should be no problem. Interface ugly as shit.  sad.gif  I have no account with them. As long as registered with BNM, no issue.

Never look at service charge. Look at discount in the market. Discount of service charge is just bonus.
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Sweet, i would try exploring eUT's website in detailed later today and may decided to open up an account with them in the next few days with an aim of purchasing bonds in the coming months.

Though is their platform reliable ?

Sorry if I've mistaken things, but there was a debate a few months ago on the FSM thread about the reliability of eUT's website right ? Like delays in transactions etc
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Apr 18 2017, 08:08 PM)
Sweet, i would try exploring eUT's website in detailed later today and may decided to open up an account with them in the next few days with an aim of purchasing bonds in the coming months.

Though is their platform reliable ?

Sorry if I've mistaken things, but there was a debate a few months ago on the FSM thread about the reliability of eUT's website right ? Like delays in transactions etc
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After using the system for a while, you will realize that their system essentially still depends on quite a bit of human operation. The web site and graphical user interface are mostly capturing data, writing logs, and then submit them for further backend operation.

That's why they could perform cancellation of order, as transaction is not performed automatically. After 3pm their staff pick up the transactions records, tally with payments and commit them accordingly.

If you are going to start using the system, getting your self familiar with transaction status and logs are important.

Their front end user interface as you might notice could be the work of some trainee programmers. LOL. Most of the error messages are harmless.

For example if you log out already and then you use back button to go back and hit the logout again, it will tell you a very scaring message '500 - Internal server error.' It is nothing.

Another common misunderstanding is on the main page is that they mentioned ' * non-tradeable online'. It means those funds ended with * are not tradeable online. It is not a foot note to say everything is not tradeable online.

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post Apr 18 2017, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 18 2017, 08:52 PM)
After using the system for a while, you will realize that their system essentially still depends on quite a bit of human operation. The web site and graphical user interface are mostly capturing data, writing logs, and then submit them for further backend operation.

That's why they could perform cancellation of order, as transaction is not performed automatically. After 3pm their staff pick up the transactions records, tally with payments and commit them accordingly.

If you are going to start using the system, getting your self familiar with transaction status and logs are important.

Their front end user interface as you might notice could be the work of some trainee programmers. LOL. Most of the error messages are harmless.

For example if you log out already and then you use back button to go back and hit the logout again, it will tell you a very scaring message '500 - Internal server error.'  It is nothing.

Another common misunderstanding is on the main page is that they mentioned ' * non-tradeable online'. It means those funds ended with * are not tradeable online. It is not a foot note to say everything is not tradeable online.
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In Chinese idiom says - you get what you pay for
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post Apr 18 2017, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 18 2017, 12:22 PM)
True.

But they have promotion quite regularly.

If I am not mistaken, this year they have 3 promos already including this one. Each promo last for +/- one month.

( Each promo the funds list under promo might not be the same.)
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If i recall correctly, this year's promos were: Chinese New Year, Lipper Award, and now, Mega Promo. Between the last promo and the current one, there is just a 2 week gap. :-) So, it seems like one long continuous promo! Some of @Ramjade's favourite funds are recurrently on promo, including Manu REIT.


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 12:30 PM)
I don't know. I don't have any account with them. What I know it's excatly like FSM except that when they have promo you get to buy funds at 0% service charge. All bond funds bought from them during promo does not kena service charge. eUT memang does not charge platform fees for bond fund. They charge you 1% service charge for bond fund.

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Actually the normal s/c for bond funds is not fixed at 1%. RHB Bond & Islamic bond are normally at 0%. AmTactical Bond is 2%.

QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Apr 18 2017, 08:08 PM)
Though is their platform reliable ?

Sorry if I've mistaken things, but there was a debate a few months ago on the FSM thread about the reliability of eUT's website right ? Like delays in transactions etc
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The eUT web platform takes roughly the same number of days to update a purchase as FSM. However the eUT's email confirming a transaction is much slower than FSM, e.g. purchased on 31 Mar. 2017, email sent on 17 Apr.
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QUOTE(biastee @ Apr 18 2017, 10:07 PM)
If i recall correctly, this year's promos were: Chinese New Year, Lipper Award, and now, Mega Promo. Between the last promo and the current one, there is just a 2 week gap. :-) So, it seems like one long continuous promo! Some of @Ramjade's favourite funds are recurrently on promo, including Manu REIT.
Actually the normal s/c for bond funds is not fixed at 1%. RHB Bond & Islamic bond are normally at 0%. AmTactical Bond is 2%.
The eUT web platform takes roughly the same number of days to update a purchase as FSM. However the eUT's email  confirming a transaction is much slower than FSM, e.g. purchased on 31 Mar. 2017, email sent on 17 Apr.
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Intra fund house equity fund to equity fund switching is free. So sometimes can use this scheme to buy equity funds for topping up funds from the same fund house.

For example, when Manulife Reit is under promotion, buy and keep ( as part of the investment ). And when needed can switch some to Manulife India to perform top up. This switching is not constraint by the 5k minimum.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 19 2017, 12:18 PM)
Intra fund house equity fund to equity fund switching is free. So sometimes can use this scheme to buy equity funds for topping up funds from the same fund house.

For example, when Manulife Reit is under promotion, buy and keep ( as part of the investment ). And when needed can switch some to Manulife India to perform top up. This switching is not constraint by the 5k minimum.
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Manulife will charge you Rm25 per switch though.
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Apr 19 2017, 12:28 PM)
Manulife will charge you Rm25 per switch though.
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Good point. Let me check the transaction logs. I saw the exact same amount was moved over. I will check the price and nav tallies or not. If it doesn't then the administrative charge has been incurred. Right ?
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 19 2017, 12:49 PM)
Good point. Let me check the transaction logs. I saw the exact same amount was moved over. I will check the price and nav tallies or not. If  it doesn't then the administrative charge has been incurred. Right ?
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How do you open account with them? Need any commissioner of oath to verify our IC, etc?
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post Apr 19 2017, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 19 2017, 12:49 PM)
Good point. Let me check the transaction logs. I saw the exact same amount was moved over. I will check the price and nav tallies or not. If   it doesn't then the administrative charge has been incurred. Right ?
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I just reconfirmed from my transaction logs, the exact figured was honoured, there is no admin charges. The nav and units multiplied together tally exactly right upto to the rounding of second decimal point. The same happens to Eastspring.

I am under the impression that such only applies to RHB dinosaur.

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post Apr 19 2017, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 19 2017, 01:07 PM)
How do you open account with them? Need any commissioner of oath to verify our IC, etc?
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I don't remember having to go to that extent. I only remember I filled up everything, signed accordingly, scanned and email to them. Maybe I also snail-mailed the hardcopies to them. Btw, I am taking about eUT. Just to make sure there is no mixed ups.

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 19 2017, 01:24 PM)
I don't remember having to go to that extent. I only remember I filled up everything, signed accordingly, scanned and email to them. Maybe I also snail-mailed the hardcopies to them. Btw, I am taking about eUT. Just to make sure there is no mixed ups.
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I know since we are on eUT thread. Cause I saw some of their requirement need to get commisioner of oath rclxub.gif
SG understand la. Malaysia takkan until that extend right. That's why need confirmation.

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post Apr 19 2017, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 19 2017, 01:27 PM)
I know since we are on eUT thread. Cause I saw some of their requirement need to get commisioner of oath  rclxub.gif
SG understand la. Malaysia takkan until that extend right. That's why need confirmation.
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it seems that their registration troublesome rclxub.gif
share with us once your account opening successful
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 19 2017, 01:19 PM)
I just reconfirmed from my transaction logs, the exact figured was honoured, there is no admin charges. The nav and units multiplied together tally exactly right upto to the rounding of second decimal point. The same happens to Eastspring.

I am under the impression that such only applies to RHB dinosaur.
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You switched and Manulife didn't charge Rm25? cool smile.gif
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Apr 19 2017, 01:53 PM)
You switched and Manulife didn't charge Rm25? cool smile.gif
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I hope you are not going to stir shit at manulife for having charged RM25 on other platforms gua ?


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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 19 2017, 01:57 PM)
I hope you are not going to stir shit at manulife for having charged RM25 on other platforms gua  ?
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For all you know FSM is the one charging us whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 19 2017, 01:59 PM)
For all you know FSM is the one charging us  whistling.gif
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But RHB will charge, wherever you are ! I supposed they will shrink your target fund by whatever amount then only calculate units bought.

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