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jtan.pdr
post Aug 26 2018, 07:30 AM

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Oh..
Another reason for engine knocking may be from fuel contamination..
Sometimes, older stations have their petrol contaminated with water..or other kinds of contamination. Ie, microbes, bacteria etc..
Emulsified water with petrol can lead to knocking.
Surprising..

Also check the spark plugs, they give signs of unusual symptoms of lean or rich fuel delivery..

But engine knocking due to ron rating is not very common in modern engines cos the ecu will adjust for the deficiencies.(retard or advance the spark)
This is also mention by Singk in his/her earlier post.

This post has been edited by jtan.pdr: Aug 26 2018, 07:39 AM
James_yka
post Aug 26 2018, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(jtan.pdr @ Aug 26 2018, 06:40 AM)
Lol.
Not being sarcastic at all, but acknowledge my info and views may not always be right...
I'm only human..
I now have to face in my life that my son and daughter can prove me wrong.
(and I'm actually feeling proud that they can do better than me!)
And I insist that they prove me wrong rather than give me face..
Really, not being sarcastic to u..
My apologies if I came across that way...
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Ow... Sorry about that.
I dont get used to see honest humble comment in forum.
Its my wrong for misinterpreted your comment, no apologies needed and my apology for harsh tone.
jtan.pdr
post Aug 26 2018, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(James_yka @ Aug 26 2018, 12:40 PM)
Ow... Sorry about that.
I dont get used to see honest humble comment in forum.
Its my wrong for misinterpreted your comment, no apologies needed and my apology for harsh tone.
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lol
no worries...!!!
i'm not here to argue or disrespect anyone...
unless they're being really really obnoxious and offensive twat imo and everyone else in the thread feel the same as i do..
we all have our own opinions and thoughts, democracy and all that stuff..

am just here to offer my experience and share knowledge to others rather than just my kids and junior staff.

lets 'live and let live'.
i'm getting too old to have to go and fight for every slight or imaginary insult in my life..
have more important things to do, as do ALL of us... right? heh

sometimes, life and work stress gets the better part of me and i may respond rather gruffly (or sound sarcastic) and for those moments, my apologies...

and i'd like to thank you James_yka, for being an important contributor to this thread!!
and that goes for all u others!!! (u know who u are!!)

lets keep alive the muhibah relationship we have here as we march to our second true MERDEKA!!!

let me graciously bow out of this post by wishing everyone a happy merdeka holiday and may your journey be filled with love, joy and everything thats related to happiness!!

live long and prosper..

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KKLeong
post Aug 26 2018, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(singk @ Aug 25 2018, 05:08 PM)
usually you get more active ingredients in RON97 fuel compared to RON95 fuel, and nowadays our RON97 are Euro4 standard which is lesser sulphur content. though it doesn't direct related to performance but it is linked to emission and probably some characteristics in terms of engine performance.

and yeah, higher compression engine requires higher ron fuel, bezza CR is 11.5 which is pretty higher for a port injection NA engine. even serena hybrid DI engine is doing 11.2 CR. Bezza engine surely tuned for RON95, i do believe it should be perform better with RON97 (like you seen on Honda Insight, tuned for RON95, performs better with RON97), as you get lesser chance of knocking. And i personally think that the "higher RON fuel = hotter engine" is somewhat related to the anti knocking characteristic, when an engine lesser knocking, the engine timing can be optimized to achieve their ideal timing hence more power, conservation of energy tells you that when you get more power from your engine, meaning the combustion is stronger hence it is hotter, given the fact that our engine is around 35% thermal efficiency, imagine 65% of poer goes to heat, will that make engine hotter? i think the answer would be a yes.

If the extra mileage gain from RON97 able to cover the deficit of price then it surely a good deal.
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I do agree with singk here. Higher RON pretty sure come with better active ingredient but differences between 95 and 97 with not be reflect on daily usage performance (immediate effect). It affect on environment emission standard, engine cleanliness, motorcyclist surround inhale hazard and etc in a long term effect.

But, in the situation mileage vs ringgit, i think all 95 fuel have it own advantage due to fixed price in current admission of new government. In my working day driving case, 70km per day, 6 working day. 66 ringgit of petron 97 with around 25 litre on every wednesday night. Car is only one month years old, need further testing for petron 95 in up coming september.

Btw, lowyat is a harmony forum. Hope all didnt end up like cody and songsen. smile.gif

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aimanafif123
post Aug 26 2018, 03:18 PM

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Correct me if im,i think that going for a higher octane fuel will lessen the wear and tear of an engine meaning the engine will last a lot longer before needing a overhaul or in rare cases new engine..because the fuel has more of that 'oomph'..well you pay what you get..paying alot in a long run or paying slightly less in a long run
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post Aug 26 2018, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(James_yka @ Aug 26 2018, 06:15 AM)
Since you are replying to my post.
I dont really understand your question.
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Eh sorry wrong thread response.lag of sleep.
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post Aug 27 2018, 10:45 AM

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Any good deal for 1.3 x premium auto? What rate you guys get? I have colleague interested lol
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post Aug 27 2018, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Aug 27 2018, 10:45 AM)
Any good deal for 1.3 x premium auto? What rate you guys get? I have colleague interested lol
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Get 1.0 was enough if for economic reason
Get myvi if want a better car
Get proton if want good handling and safety and don't mind higher running cost. ( ride and sound system also better but lose on space )

Bezza 1.3 compare 1.0 just added keyless , push start , rear headrest , bigger engine , nothing else.
Keyless push start and engine was not necessary in my opinion as 1.0 actually give you better performance on city and you wouldn't want to drive bezza much on highway. At least not on high speed >100km/h

Rear headrest if you really mind safety go for proton

Although both have 5 star ASEANncap rating , but in real proton has been way better even compare to Honda Toyota etc.

A 1.3premium x owner that not very satisfy with the car as it perform below expectation, not a not good car but just not good enough. Go test drive uphill road from a stop , then you know what I mean no performance.

Let you know what was great on bezza
1. Good short trip passenger car ( feel spacious compare to proton )
2. very good space to carry lot of thing , but expect some sort of van feel la , no premium feel

If you always drive alone , never need to fetch big thing( 2big luggage etc ) , there was no need at all to buy bezza.
I am a grab drive that was the only reason I buy bezza.

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James_yka
post Aug 27 2018, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(aimanafif123 @ Aug 26 2018, 03:18 PM)
Correct me if im,i think that going for a higher octane fuel will lessen the wear and tear of an engine meaning the engine will last a lot longer before needing a overhaul or in rare cases new engine..because the fuel has more of that 'oomph'..well you pay what you get..paying alot in a long run or paying slightly less in a long run
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In theory yes, higher RON will have a cleaner engine.
But not so sure if its really matter in the end.
For example, i had a 12years 1st Gen MYVI before trade in for Bezza.
Its was running smooth with RON95 (or RON97 before introduction of RON95) all the time without any engine breakdown, of course all the maintenance (8k engine oil change, semi synthetic oil) must be done regularly.

I would not say the same for this engine, since the CR is different. But i do hope it will still run fine for 15years on RON95.

QUOTE(aimanafif123 @ Aug 26 2018, 03:20 PM)
Eh sorry wrong thread response.lag of sleep.
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No problem bro, i just thought could i have said something wrong.
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post Aug 27 2018, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(James_yka @ Aug 27 2018, 12:50 PM)
In theory yes, higher RON will have a cleaner engine.
But not so sure if its really matter in the end.
For example, i had a 12years 1st Gen MYVI before trade in for Bezza.
Its was running smooth with RON95 (or RON97 before introduction of RON95) all the time without any engine breakdown, of course all the maintenance (8k engine oil change, semi synthetic oil) must be done regularly.

I would not say the same for this engine, since the CR is different. But i do hope it will still run fine for 15years on RON95.
No problem bro, i just thought could i have said something wrong.
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After some google search , higher Ron do run the engine hotter which mean the engine might be heated more than ron95 which was bad , just use the recommended fuel will do , while engine oil was different as better oil mean better cooling instead of heat. But as we know whatever Ron we use all should be ok , just some point from google.
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post Aug 27 2018, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(James_yka @ Aug 26 2018, 03:09 AM)
You got a good point there... Didnt know 11.5 CR was consider high for RON95...
If thats the case then it would means that the engine is tuning down fuel mixture to avoid knocking. So RON97 should get the full performance of this engine.

I have never tried RON97 since i own the car... Will try few tanks later and compare a bit.
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no bro, i mean the compression ratio of bezza engine, which is 11.5:1 is very high for a port injection Natural Aspirated engine. The serena which use direct injection only doing 11.2:1, which is 0.3 lesser than bezza. Of course, mazda skyactive petrol engine are the champion of all time by having 14:1 compression ratio for a natual aspirated engine. I think with proper combustion chamber & exhaust manifold design it should be ok to bring the compression ratio to be higher. However that was in theory when the combustion chamber is clean i.e no carbon and the fuel is free from contamination like bro jtan mentioned. i agree his point that modern engines are lesser prone to knocking as the timing will be handled by ecu to reduce knocking, however it will also make the engine to perform in a lower power state. as the timing is reatrded to prevent knocking.
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post Aug 28 2018, 03:00 PM

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book on june 9, car loan already sign . until now still waiting. WTH Perodua
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QUOTE(Exgratia @ Aug 28 2018, 03:00 PM)
book on june 9, car loan already sign . until now still waiting. WTH Perodua
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whats the reason from sales advisor?
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post Aug 28 2018, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Aug 28 2018, 03:23 PM)
whats the reason from sales advisor?
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9 june - pay deposit, SA said will get car within 2 weeks.
20 june - loan approved. SA said wait HQ allocation., alot people will slow.
5 July - Still waiting Hq allocation.
21 July - SA said queue at No.3, very soon can get.
3 Aug - SA said queue at No.1.
14 Aug - still queue at No.1.
23 Aug - SA said Perodua factory always shut down, HQ working back on 24
28 Aug - SA said Maybe tomorrow can get car.

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post Aug 28 2018, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(KKLeong @ Aug 26 2018, 02:33 PM)
I do agree with singk here. Higher RON pretty sure come with better active ingredient but differences between 95 and 97 with not be reflect on daily usage performance (immediate effect). It affect on environment emission standard, engine cleanliness, motorcyclist surround inhale hazard and etc in a long term effect.

But, in the situation mileage vs ringgit, i think all 95 fuel have it own advantage due to fixed price in current admission of new government. In my working day driving case, 70km per day, 6 working day. 66 ringgit of petron 97 with around 25 litre on every wednesday night. Car is only one month years old, need further testing for petron 95 in up coming september.

Btw, lowyat is a harmony forum. Hope all didnt end up like cody and songsen. smile.gif
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lol cody songsen...dog plate dog food..tu chao...

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QUOTE(Vsmh @ Aug 25 2018, 08:00 PM)
Hi, i hope someone can help test answer the question.

So my sister decided to manually lock the doors while inside the car and left the keys inside while leaving the passanger door(right beside the driver's side) open. Door then slammed partially and cant be opened.

If we push the door in, does the locking machinism unlock like older cars do?

Thank you in advance.
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QUOTE(blueric94 @ Aug 25 2018, 11:51 PM)
i believe its a yes, partially closed then pushed to fully close is no different than closing normally  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Thank you. Just as an update. The doors will auto unlock, ONLY IF your keys are inside. Without keys, it will just stay locked.


QUOTE(Exgratia @ Aug 28 2018, 09:33 PM)
9 june - pay deposit, SA said will get car within 2 weeks.
20 june - loan approved. SA said wait HQ allocation., alot people will slow.
5 July - Still waiting Hq allocation.
21 July - SA said queue at No.3, very soon can get.
3 Aug - SA said queue at No.1.
14 Aug - still queue at No.1.
23 Aug - SA said Perodua factory always shut down, HQ working back on 24
28 Aug - SA said Maybe tomorrow can get car.

ranting.gif
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At least you'll get a car. Now, no car almost everywhere. Myvi lagi power, production line shut down.

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QUOTE(Exgratia @ Aug 28 2018, 09:33 PM)
9 june - pay deposit, SA said will get car within 2 weeks.
20 june - loan approved. SA said wait HQ allocation., alot people will slow.
5 July - Still waiting Hq allocation.
21 July - SA said queue at No.3, very soon can get.
3 Aug - SA said queue at No.1.
14 Aug - still queue at No.1.
23 Aug - SA said Perodua factory always shut down, HQ working back on 24
28 Aug - SA said Maybe tomorrow can get car.

ranting.gif
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wow.. happen to whole msia?
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what u guys choose for this 3 options, when come to renew insurance?

premiumX

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post Aug 29 2018, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(Vsmh @ Aug 28 2018, 11:33 PM)
Thank you. Just as an update. The doors will auto unlock, ONLY IF your keys are inside. Without keys, it will just stay locked.
At least you'll get a car. Now, no car almost everywhere. Myvi lagi power, production line shut down.
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The problem is SA haven provide invoice yet, BUT said invoice will incur SST in Sept. Mean while my friend book at another outlet slower than me already got her MYVI on early AUG.
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QUOTE(Exgratia @ Aug 29 2018, 10:22 AM)
The problem is SA haven provide invoice yet, BUT said invoice will incur SST in Sept. Mean while my friend book at another outlet slower than me already got her MYVI on early AUG.
bangwall.gif
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thats painful. anyway, there's no official news or information from car manufacturers yet on the SST era pricing. And we are only 48 hours to go. hmm.gif

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