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post Apr 3 2017, 10:58 PM

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post Apr 3 2017, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Apr 3 2017, 08:29 PM)
here you go.

see the figures, if you say these salaries are enough to raise a family of 2 kids + 1 wife until retirement age of say 45, then i close case.

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All is a STARTING salary

Officer With Degree Holder;
Veterinar = RM3022
Engineering = RM2876
Law = RM2730
Others = RM2585

Cadet = RM1564

Officer with only SPM = RM1500

Penjawat Awam in MINDEF (SPM Level) = RM1200


Dun tell me that u think they will stick to the same salary level until they retire

That is just basic salary alone..u still didnt count their other benefit;

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atreyuangel
post Apr 3 2017, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Apr 3 2017, 09:10 PM)
where is the proven source of your so call how much grunt made?

bomba territory don't la, this is mil subforum .. later ppl say pusing lagi ...

stick to the topic can? don't spin biggrin.gif
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Cheh, apa pun tak tau nak berlagak
dah la hati tisu

sama bongok macam kua kia soong

Askar tak la kaya, tapi hidup depa tak la susah

even private make more then average public servant on salary
and that is the pay alone minus all the allowances

QUOTE(keown83 @ Apr 3 2017, 11:00 PM)
All is a STARTING salary

Officer With Degree Holder;
Veterinar = RM3022
Engineering = RM2876
Law = RM2730
Others = RM2585

Cadet = RM1564

Officer with only SPM = RM1500

Penjawat Awam in MINDEF (SPM Level) = RM1200
Dun tell me that u think they will stick to the same salary level until they retire

That is just basic salary alone..u still didnt count their other benefit;

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dia mana tau apa2 berlagak je tahu
baca pun utusan

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post Apr 3 2017, 11:10 PM

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kan ada LTAT after retirement..
adui..ingat dia smart mana tau
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post Apr 3 2017, 11:41 PM

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2017 LIMA Show Reveals Malaysian Indecision Over Military Needs
by Chen Chuanren and Vladimir Karnozov
- March 30, 2017, 10:57 AM

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/def...-military-needs

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post Apr 3 2017, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Apr 3 2017, 11:07 PM)
let you have another example here

http://www.navy.mil.my/index.php/component...in-lain-pangkat

do you have other source to back up your claims?

enuf to sustain a wife + 2 kids? what happens after retirement age of 45?
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It called Pension which they get monthly
+ age 45 retirement is option, the compulsory retirement is at 56

macam pandai, tapi takde la pandai pun
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post Apr 4 2017, 01:02 AM

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Info from MMP facebook.
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post Apr 4 2017, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Apr 3 2017, 08:48 PM)
Kua Kia Soong just made an article
he said we should by F35 as the plane has the same price tag as Rafale
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From a pure cost perspective he has a point; when F35 hits full production it will indeed have the same price tag or be even cheaper

But the running and maintenance costs must be insane with all that stealth coating, and its not suited operationally for our needs
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post Apr 4 2017, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Apr 4 2017, 01:02 AM)
They need to hire media staff wei
Announcement pun macam field manual laugh.gif
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Apr 4 2017, 01:03 AM)
From a pure cost perspective he has a point; when F35 hits full production it will indeed have the same price tag or be even cheaper

But the running and maintenance costs must be insane with all that stealth coating, and its not suited operationally for our needs
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Actually he got it wrong. F35 will be more expensive than all the fighter it replaced coupled with inflation every year.
Example on legacy fighter price. F15E is more expansive than a F15C/D and F16V is more expensive than a F16C/D. This is due avionics advance and uprated capabilities of the later model.
The purchase of a new type of fighter is always more expensive as it will be package with training, simulators, weapons and spares. It will be cheaper if a second batch of plane or large quantity were to be bought as price is only on the plane itself for 2nd batch or package price are spread to the large number of fighter
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QUOTE(lordy @ Apr 3 2017, 11:57 PM)
sos mana? ko punya pencen brapa %?
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tak payah source ini basic knowledge untuk penjawat awam
Bapak aku pencen 90an 50% pun lebih pun lagi banyak dari gaji basic aku

you can checked SPA if you want details under the pension scheme

check it your self I wont spoon it for you


QUOTE(lordy @ Apr 4 2017, 12:58 AM)
ape? you saying life in military is smooth sailing x susah?

*adui*

muta et stultior  devil.gif
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Smooth sailing tu atas askar tu sendiri la, contoh dalam forum ni, ada je forumer ok dan ada je forumer kambing macam kau, tak semuanya sama.

QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Apr 4 2017, 01:05 AM)
They need to hire media staff wei
Announcement pun macam field manual laugh.gif
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this is taken from the planning meeting, still raw but suffice.
wait for official announcement soon

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post Apr 4 2017, 02:59 AM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Apr 4 2017, 01:43 AM)
Actually he got it wrong. F35 will be more expensive than all the fighter it replaced coupled with inflation every year.
Example on legacy fighter price. F15E is more expansive than a F15C/D and F16V is more expensive than a F16C/D. This is due avionics advance and uprated capabilities of the later model.
The purchase of a new type of fighter is always more expensive as it will be package with training, simulators, weapons and spares. It will be cheaper if a second batch of plane or large quantity were to be bought as price is only on the plane itself for 2nd batch or package price are spread to the large number of fighter
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Can't just assume, you'd be surprised: 4.5 gen have their own price issues
Program cost per unit of Superbug, Typhoon and Rafale all are clocking in significantly above Usd 100m mark

Whereas F35 unit cost is dropping as production rate improves. The sheer size of the order book (>3000 units) means there are significant economies of scale savings and mitigates the R&D cost
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Apr 4 2017, 02:59 AM)
Can't just assume, you'd be surprised: 4.5 gen have their own price issues
Program cost per unit of Superbug, Typhoon and Rafale all are clocking in significantly above Usd 100m mark

Whereas F35 unit cost is dropping as production rate improves. The sheer size of the order book (>3000 units) means there are significant economies of scale savings and mitigates the R&D cost
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The cost of 4.5 gen is near 100m mark as they calculate the package divide by no of aircraft not true aircraft cost.
The F35's 100m is aircraft only. True the cost can drop but not in 2 or 3 years. That why the USN is thinking on ordering advance Superbug. Unless the F35 can prove that 2 F35 replaced 4 of F18 superbug.
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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-...y-aircraft.html

Price of aircraft bought by US. Price comparison 2006 vs 2009. That will be higher for FMS sale
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post Apr 4 2017, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Apr 3 2017, 11:07 PM)
let you have another example here

http://www.navy.mil.my/index.php/component...in-lain-pangkat

do you have other source to back up your claims?

enuf to sustain a wife + 2 kids? what happens after retirement age of 45?
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with the salary+allowance+benefits+free stuffs (housing/medical/etc2), yess..its enuff to sustain an average family

unless u can prove that its not enuff to feed average family

when u calculate, do consider that most ATM personnel live outside klang valley

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post Apr 4 2017, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Apr 3 2017, 11:35 AM)
you got to be amazed by PRC Military Engineering precision and speed and quantity!
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Yes. China super power shipyard capability。

like Jiangnan Shipyard can make 13 military ship at same time on now, total power better surplus most asia country.
2 x 055 destroyer
4 x 052D destroyer
2 x 039B submarine
5 x 726A LCAC

above power better than any asean country navy power。。。

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image on Dalian Shipyard March 2017

not mention Dalian shipyard have 2 x 055 and 3 x 052D in making。

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Indonesian PT PAL new submarine production facility. Credit to original uploader.

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https://lancercell.com/2017/03/10/progres-p...al-part-7-foto/

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that guy konon prihatin dengan soldiers' well-being/income..lulz.. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

back to the rail,

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32 soldiers wounded as latest military offensive against Abu Sayyaf enters Day 2

Thirty-two soldiers were wounded as the military operation against a sub-leader of the Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) entered its second day on Monday in Sulu province, officials said.

Elements of the Joint Task Force Sulu (JTFS) launched an assault against the group of ASG sub-leader Hatib Hajan Sawadjaan in Talipao town on Sunday.

“Firefight is still ongoing,” Col. Cirilito Sobejana, JTFS commander told the Philippines News Agency on Monday, noting that the wounded soldiers were given medical treatment.

Sobejana could not determine the exact number of casualties on the side of the ASG, saying “reports are still trickling in.”

“We will provide the data later,” Sobejana added.

The group of Sawadjaan has been tagged for the strings of abductions in nearby Malaysia in recent years.

The elusive Abu Sayyaf sub-leader had been the target of the military’s manhunt operations against high value individuals in Sulu after Sawadjaan emerged as the new sub-leader of the bandit group.

Sawadjaan leads at least 150 bandits based on military estimate.

The Abu Sayyaf bandits are still holding captives 28 people, mostly foreigners, and it was not immediately clear if the group of Sawadjaan is holding any of the victims.

The JTFS has beefed up its operations against the ASG, which splintered into several groups, following President Rodrigo Durterte’s order to finish the bandits in six months. The deadline will lapse on June 30.

“Our troops on the ground continue to intensify the conduct of focused military operations in Sulu and adhere to the rules of engagement to contain lawless groups and preempt the conduct of atrocities in the province,” said Maj. Gen. Carlito Galvez Jr., Western Mindanao Command (Westmincom) chief.

“We will continue to support the PNP’s (Philippine National Police) efforts against criminality and lawlessness. The entire Westmincom will be ready to move and react when needed,” Galvez added.


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post Apr 4 2017, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 4 2017, 10:38 AM)
Yes. China super power shipyard capability。

like Jiangnan Shipyard can make 13 military at same time on now, total power better surplus most asia country.
2 x 055 destroyer
4 x 052D destroyer
2 x 039B submarine
5 x 726A LCAC

above power better than any asean country navy power。。。

user posted image
image on Dalian Shipyard March 2017

not mention Dalian shipyard have 2 x 055 and 3 x 052D in making。
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They have the capacity to do in large scale due to their economy. China export is at high now so their GDP is also high. They can absorb alot export credit from other country.

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