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post Mar 28 2017, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Mar 28 2017, 07:25 PM)
>US go to UN and ask for embargo on russia
>russia is a permanent member in unsc
>embargo

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internation...krainian_crisis

I don't how extent to military but yes it can happen.
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post Mar 28 2017, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Mar 28 2017, 07:20 PM)
Maybe skip the Typhoon/Rafale MRCA altogether. Get the Kuwaiti Hornets in good numbers

And when the Su30 and FA-18 need to be replaced, then go directly to fifth generation.

By that time, the F-35 will be cheaper and there will be copies/variant (although not as good) like the KAI or TAI or even the…. HAL version (or maybe not!!) Pak fa
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Or if trumps allows it,

F22 Raptors 😝😝

No, not taking weed, just dreaming now!

One squadron on raptors, and another pakfa.


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post Mar 28 2017, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 28 2017, 08:39 PM)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internation...krainian_crisis

I don't how extent to military but yes it can happen.
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this is where u got wrong. a country can unilaterally sanction any other country. russia oso sanctioned turkey when turkey shot down russian aircraft. germany oso on verge of sanctioning military export to turkey because reason. hell during the timor leste and acheh shenanigan, UK oso sanction indon, so brit-made stuff like rapier and hawk were left without parts (it's so bad that they retire the rapier system)

however for a blanket economic/military as well as to ban a country to export its military hardware (like iran or north korea), u need resolution from UNSC and since russia is a permanent member with veto power, it's not happening
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Mar 28 2017, 03:56 PM)
Non-upgraded Hornet will have reduced/no commonality with RMAF Hornets, or absolutely tabuli pakai?

If the former, should just bite the bullet, at least got more airframes... if latter, then that IS a problem.
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The only similarity of RMAF hornet and the Kuwaiti's is the radar,fuselage and engine
others has been heavily upgraded in the past 4 years
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Mar 28 2017, 07:46 PM)
this is where u got wrong. a country can unilaterally sanction any other country. russia oso sanctioned turkey when turkey shot down russian aircraft. germany oso on verge of sanctioning military export to turkey because reason. hell during the timor leste and acheh shenanigan, UK oso sanction indon, so brit-made stuff like rapier and hawk were left without parts (it's so bad that they retire the rapier system)

however for a blanket economic/military  as well as to ban a country to export its military hardware (like iran or north korea), u need resolution from UNSC and since russia is a permanent member with veto power, it's not happening
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May be you are right. But prevention is better than cure. You friend can be a future enemy and your enemy can be your future friend. Anyway TUDM, TLDM and ATM should know what they want and which choice is good for them.
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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Mar 28 2017, 06:44 PM)
Time to scrap idea of those high end fighter

Maintain, upgrade the su30mkm and hornets. I think these are already capable
Retire all mig, hawlks and ancient f5 replace with KAI FA-50 / TA-50/gripen

maintain just 3 variant of jet

Su30mkm
F18
TA-50/gripen

Our navy wake up from their wet dream, with sensible 15 to 5 plan

When will air force wake up
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At least 3 FULL squadrons of fast jets are a decent requirement for Msia - preferably Su-30MKM and Superhornet, if not then SU-30MKM, F18s and Typhoon/Rafale

Backed up by 2nd line Hawk 208 equipped for training, precision bombing and anti-air - with secondary uses we can justify buying more so can train more pilots

Need twin jet engine as safety - long run its worth it as insurance against losing jet and pilot, since we don't have much of either
QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Mar 28 2017, 07:44 PM)
Or if trumps allows it,

F22 Raptors 😝😝
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Trump nearly included Msia in his ban and now you asking for F22! when their own airforce is starving for F22!
QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 28 2017, 07:10 PM)
Malaysia should have capability to buy the asset now. The main problem is politics. With people bad mouthing every single buy, like saying someone pocketing money and buying a submarine that cannot swim. It going to be hard and political no-no if the malaysian election is coming. So most probably any announcement will be after election. If TUDM to choose a western MRSS ship, politician will bring in question of why don't buy from this maker or that, its cheaper. They done care of the spec. It happen the the EC725 buy.
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Can think of LOADS of better places to spend money in current economic conditions... but the main issue is effective spend not how much is budgeted... of course a certain amount always disappears into thin air

Spec is always kept hush hush because "reasons" but also because its too easy to compare with other publicly available cost data and deduce how much is being pocketed

Marhalim himself said, for the amount paid for Gempita the TDM itself was expecting double the number of vehicles doh.gif
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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:04 PM)
Anyway TUDM, TLDM and ATM should know what they want and which choice is good for them.
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but are they the ones deciding on acquisition?
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China army drills on Myanmar border amid tensions

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BEIJING: China's military carried out drills along the border with Myanmar on Tuesday, in a show of force to highlight its resolve to protect its people, state news agency Xinhua said, following clashes between Myanmar security forces and ethnic rebels.

Fighting this month in Myanmar pushed thousands of people into China to seek refuge, prompting Beijing to call for a ceasefire between ethnic militias and the security forces.

Xinhua said the joint land and air exercises were part of planned annual drills, but did not say exactly where they took place.

It quoted a Chinese army colonel as saying the exercises showed "the People's Liberation Army's resolute resolve" to protect the security of the border and the lives of residents there.

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In accordance with existing agreements, China informed Myanmar's military ahead of the drills, it added.

China has repeatedly expressed concern about fighting along the border that has occasionally spilled into its territory, for instance in 2015, when five people died in China.

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard; Editing by Clarence Fernandez)

- Reuters
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can anyone tell me what type of shotgun the second policeman from right was holding...


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Police: Stolen Rela shotguns sold for up to RM3,000 each

ALOR SETAR: Twenty-six shotguns belonging to the People's Volunteer Corps (Rela) in Selama, Perak which went missing from the its northern region store in Bukit Selambau, Sungai Petani were sold at RM1,000 to RM3,000 each.

Kedah police chief Datuk Asri Yusoff said the investigation also found that the thefts were masterminded by a Selama Rela officer who sold the firearms to his close friends who were also Rela members, as well as members of the public.

"He sold them cheaply at between RM1,000 and RM3,000 but the punishment will be very heavy," he told a press conference at the Kedah police contingent headquarters, here, Tuesday.

Asri said police were investigating the thefts under Section 7(2) of the Firearms (Increased Penalties) Act 1971.

Trading in firearms is an offence punishable with the mandatory death penalty or life imprisonment with not less than six strokes of the cane.

"We are also investigating 13 other suspects under Section 8 of the same Act for possessing firearms without a licence, which carries a jail term of up to 14 years and six strokes of the cane, as well as Section 8(a) of the Firearms Act 1960 for possessing bullets, which is punishable with imprisonment of up to seven years or a fine not exceeding RM10,000, or both," he said.

Asri said police were still tracking down more suspects and tracing another 12 shotguns still missing.

"We have located them in Perak and we are urging them to surrender their illegal firearms at the nearest police station," he said.

According to him, 14 shotguns had been recovered so far from 14 suspects aged between 29 and 56.

"We arrested six of them in Taiping, three in Selama, two in Kerian and one in Gerik, Perak while two suspects were picked up in Kuala Muda, Kedah," he said adding that police also recovered 300 shotgun bullets.

"Police close to finding out the reason of acquiring these firearms – whether it is related to militant elements or not," he said.

Asri said all the suspects were being remanded for further investigations and would be charged in court in the districts they were nabbed. – Bernama


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QUOTE(sukhoi35mk @ Mar 28 2017, 09:26 PM)
off topic abit although not military related but still weapon....

can anyone tell me what type of shotgun the second policeman from right was holding...
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Police: Stolen Rela shotguns sold for up to RM3,000 each

ALOR SETAR: Twenty-six shotguns belonging to the People's Volunteer Corps (Rela) in Selama, Perak which went missing from the its northern region store in Bukit Selambau, Sungai Petani were sold at RM1,000 to RM3,000 each.

Kedah police chief Datuk Asri Yusoff said the investigation also found that the thefts were masterminded by a Selama Rela officer who sold the firearms to his close friends who were also Rela members, as well as members of the public.

"He sold them cheaply at between RM1,000 and RM3,000 but the punishment will be very heavy," he told a press conference at the Kedah police contingent headquarters, here, Tuesday.

Asri said police were investigating the thefts under Section 7(2) of the Firearms (Increased Penalties) Act 1971.

Trading in firearms is an offence punishable with the mandatory death penalty or life imprisonment with not less than six strokes of the cane.

"We are also investigating 13 other suspects under Section 8 of the same Act for possessing firearms without a licence, which carries a jail term of up to 14 years and six strokes of the cane, as well as Section 8(a) of the Firearms Act 1960 for possessing bullets, which is punishable with imprisonment of up to seven years or a fine not exceeding RM10,000, or both," he said.

Asri said police were still tracking down more suspects and tracing another 12 shotguns still missing.

"We have located them in Perak and we are urging them to surrender their illegal firearms at the nearest police station," he said.

According to him, 14 shotguns had been recovered so far from 14 suspects aged between 29 and 56.

"We arrested six of them in Taiping, three in Selama, two in Kerian and one in Gerik, Perak while two suspects were picked up in Kuala Muda, Kedah," he said adding that police also recovered 300 shotgun bullets.

"Police close to finding out the reason of acquiring these firearms – whether it is related to militant elements or not," he said.

Asri said all the suspects were being remanded for further investigations and would be charged in court in the districts they were nabbed. – Bernama
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Guys what actual RELA do in malaysian security context? I have ask most if my malaysian relatives but none can give an a good answer. Went to KL and Penang for wedding ceremony and so them around but with no weapons.
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post Mar 29 2017, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 29 2017, 01:35 AM)
Guys what actual RELA do in malaysian security context? I have ask most if my malaysian relatives but none can give an a good answer. Went to KL and Penang for wedding ceremony and so them around but with no weapons.
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Like the word implies; it's a volunteer force. basically the potato to a beef stew, they would do low level patrol, maintain order ,helping police during raid,et cetera. being a security guard during majlis kahwin is part of their social responsibility(altho they do get paid 6 ringgit/hr)

also, since this is mainly a volunteer force, the standard are pretty low.

examples in other countries are popular mobilization unit in iraq and state militia in us

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Mar 29 2017, 01:03 AM)
Like the word implies; it's a volunteer force. basically the potato to a beef stew, they would do low level patrol, maintain order ,helping police during raid,et cetera. being a security guard during majlis kahwin is part of their social responsibility(altho they do get paid 6 ringgit/hr)

also, since this is mainly a volunteer force, the standard are pretty low.

examples in other countries are popular mobilization unit in iraq and state militia in us
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Thanks a lot.
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Japan and UK to Collaborate on Advanced Stealth Fighter Jet
Japan and the United Kingdom have agreed to explore options to jointly develop a new fighter aircraft.

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March 28, 2017



Japan’s Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics Agency and the United Kingdom’s Ministry of Defense have concluded an agreement to explore options for co-developing an advanced fighter jet, according to a March 16 press release by the Japanese Ministry of Defense.

The agreement stipulates that both countries will exchange information about advanced aviation technology and also conduct a joint study on the feasibility of co-developing a new fighter aircraft in the coming years.

The press release further notes that Japan will continue to explore fighter jet co-development options with other countries. “Regarding the possibility of international joint development on fighter aircraft in the future, we will continue to exchange views with other countries,” the MoD statement reads.

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While the next-generation fighter jet project would be the biggest Japan-UK collaboration on sensitive defense technology so far, both countries are also a working on jointly developing a new ramjet-powered, beyond a visual range air-to-air missile.

During a January 2016 visit, the UK defense minister and his Japanese counterpart agreed to move discussions on the project to the next stage. The aim of the project is to integrate Japanese seeker technologies into the European Meteor Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile.

In October 2016, the UK Royal Air Force (RAF) and the Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF) also held their first-ever joint aerial combat drill, dubbed Guardian North 16, in Japan. The exercise involved four RAF Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets, JASDF Boeing F-15J all-weather air superiority fighters and Mitsubishi F-2s.

The Eurofighter consortium, which includes the United Kingdom, unsuccessfully tried to pitch the Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft to Japan in 2011. The JASDF, however, opted for the U.S.-made F-35A Lightning II stealth fighter jet instead. Japan placed an order for 42 F-35 through the U.S. Foreign Military Sales Program in 2011. The first aircraft was handed over to the JASDF in December 2016.

Nevertheless, the F-35 order is an interim solution and Japan is slated to procure up to 100 new fifth-generation air superiority fighters by the 2030s. An estimated $40 billion contract is expected to be awarded in the summer of 2018 (See: “Japan’s Air Force to Receive 100 New Stealth Fighter Jets”).

As I explained in July 2016, Japan has three options for procuring for the new aircraft: “First, develop an indigenous air superiority fighter. Second, partner with a foreign defense contractor and license-produce a new aircraft. Third, import or upgrade an existing platform.” The UK-Japan joint study falls into the second option of partnering with a foreign aircraft maker.

However, U.S. aircraft makers will remain Japan’s top choice for any future fighter jet co-development projects. Last year, Japan unveiled an experimental fifth-generation fighter technology demonstrator, dubbed X-2 “Shinshin” (formerly the ATD-X), which will be the basis for the JASDF’s so-called (F-3) Future Fighter Program. As I reported last year, U.S. defense contractor Lockheed-Martin is purportedly already involved with the project in some capacity.

http://thediplomat.com/2017/03/japan-and-u...th-fighter-jet/
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Will India, Russia Co-Develop a New 5th Stealth Fighter?
India and Russia have failed to resolve their differences so far and the joint project appears to be going nowhere.

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By Franz-Stefan Gady
March 25, 2017



India and Russia have failed to make progress on one of their most prestigious defense deals—the co-development and production of the Sukhoi/HAL Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), known in India as the Perspective Multi-role Fighter (PMF).

The most recent stumbling block to a successful continuation of the project has been Russia’s unwillingness to share sensitive aircraft technology with India. New Delhi is demanding a full-scale transfer of technology in order to boost India’s domestic fighter-manufacturing capabilities.

In September 2016, both sides agreed to a detailed work-sharing agreement. “From a preliminary document that was barely two dozen pages, we have agreed on a 650 page detailed plan that specifies exactly what all will be shared,” an unidentified Indian defense official was quoted at the time. However, India has so far not signed the agreement. “We are awaiting the Indian side’s decision on the FGFA project. We are fulfilling our obligations and are prepared to continue work,” a Russian defense industry official told TASS news agency on March 22.

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Before moving on, India wants a guarantee that Russia will be able to upgrade the fighter jet in the future without Russian support, which would require Moscow sharing source codes (sensitive computer code that controls the fighter jet’s various systems — the key to an aircraft’s electronic brains). In addition, the FGFA should directly support India’s advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA) program—a separate Indian fifth generation fighter project. “This is mandatory,” an Indian defense source told The Times of India on March 9.

As I explained previously:

The FGFA/PMF project has been hampered by repeated delays since the start of the project in 2007 and the signing of a preliminary $295 million design contract in 2010. In 2015, Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar decided to make one last push toward reaching an agreement with Russia.

Furthermore, I noted:

Delays were caused by New Delhi and Moscow disagreeing over many fundamental aspects of the joint development project including work and cost share, aircraft technology, as well as the number of aircraft to be ordered. After evaluating the first PAK FA T-50 prototype (the Russian prototype of the PMF), the Indian Air Force (IAF) wanted more than 40 changes addressing, among other things, perceived weaknesses in the plane’s engine, stealth, and weapon-carrying capabilities.

Another reason for the repeated delays were disputes over the number of aircraft to be produced:

Russia announced in late 2015 that it would only induct a squadron (18-24 aircraft) of PAK FA fighter aircraft, and procure additional Sukhoi Su-35 aircraft instead. The original deal involved Russia procuring 250 and India 144 aircraft at a cost of around $30 billion by 2022. As a result, India threatened to abandon the project in its entirety. Russia in turn made a number of concessions including an offer to cut down its financial contribution from $6 to $ 3.7 billion for three PAK FA T-50 prototypes and substantial technology transfers.

As always, the devil remains in the details and the joint project remains stalled for the moment. The Russian version of the new fifth generation fighter jet appears to be doing better. According to Russia’s Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, the Russian Air Force could start receiving the first serial-produced T-50 (PAK FA) multi-role fighter jet already in 2018. However, Russian defense officials admit that Russia has so far failed to develop a new engine, called Product 30, for the aircraft, which could potentially push back the induction date.

http://thediplomat.com/2017/03/will-india-...tealth-fighter/


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Indonesian shipbuilder cuts steel on seventh PC-40-class vessel

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28 March 2017
 
Key Points

• The Indonesian Navy has ordered another lightly armed variant of the KCR-40 missile attack craft
• Platform is meant to bolster the service's maritime surveillance and fishery resources protection capabilities

Indonesian shipbuilder PT Caputra Mitra Sejati has begun work on a PC-40-class patrol vessel on order for the Indonesian Navy (Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL).

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A model of a PC-40-class vessel on display at Indo Defence 2016. PT Caputra Mitra Sejati has begun work on a seventh vessel in the class. (IHS Markit/Ridzwan Rahmat)

A first steel-cutting ceremony for the platform was held on 23 March at the company's premises in Banten, about 100 km west of Jakarta, according to a TNI-AL media statement the day after. The vessel is the second PC-40 contract awarded to PT Caputra Mitra Sejati, but the seventh overall ordered by the TNI-AL.

Another Indonesian shipbuilder, PT Palindo Marine, launched the first three vessels in the class in September 2016, while PT Karimun Anugrah Sejati launched a subsequent two hulls in October the same year. The first PC-40 contract awarded to PT Caputra Mitra Sejati, which has been named Kurau and given the pennant number 856, was launched on 7 March 2017.


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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 29 2017, 12:35 AM)
Guys what actual RELA do in malaysian security context? I have ask most if my malaysian relatives but none can give an a good answer. Went to KL and Penang for wedding ceremony and so them around but with no weapons.
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I believe it started in the days of the communist insurgency with the establishment of the Homeguard units.

The idea of RELA is there's a semi-trained civilian volunteer force that can be called up to render assistance to your regular police force. They're not meant for battle, those would be your Wataniah/Reserves.
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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 28 2017, 04:18 PM)
For MRSS from PT PAL, how much could it cost with TLDM spec. Helipad need to upgrade to maedium heli strength and vehicle ramp strength increase to more than 50 ton capability. With Indo/Philippines marines and navy using light heli and amphibious force don't have tank MBT spec tank. Even indonesia army have separate LST to carry their Leopard2.
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i believe MRSS from PT PAL via BNS will cost around usd 200 mil (all-packages-in) . well Damen/Destini i guest will be around usd 250 mil
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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Mar 28 2017, 07:44 PM)
Or if trumps allows it,

F22 Raptors 😝😝

No, not taking weed, just dreaming now!

One squadron on raptors, and another pakfa.
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more easy can get Pak-Fa/Su50 in 2020 if order now.
or F-35, even J-31 too.
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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 29 2017, 02:35 AM)
Guys what actual RELA do in malaysian security context? I have ask most if my malaysian relatives but none can give an a good answer. Went to KL and Penang for wedding ceremony and so them around but with no weapons.
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ask some the urban rakyat they would say they are uniformed thugs or unemployed in uniforms.. while they do help out law enforcement agencies when called upon, few blacksheeps among them conduct their own 'rogue' raids of private premises and extort money from foreign workers, conduct road blocks and follow religious police for inspections... i remember seeing them tasked with the security of Malacca's new ferry terminal when it was first opened...

the idea behind it is a noble one... but with 1 mill members and a weak management.. its a recipe for disaster.. pity the dedicated members that are serving whole heartily in there..

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