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> Military Thread V24, Celebrating 60th Malaysian Merdeka Day

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ayanami_tard
post Mar 28 2017, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 28 2017, 05:30 PM)
I wonder what equipment will we use for our MRSS? hmm.gif

New helis, LCAC, landing crafts, amphibious armored vehicles? we never had most of these before. New purchases incoming?
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we dun have plan for marine corps (not anymore) so we dun need lcac or aav. prolly lcu to land lori 3 tan and other light vehicle but that's about it. mrss is mainly for logistical sapork and humanitarian effort anyway

LPD deck is big so any type of helo can land without need of haul down device like rast, so any type of helo can land, even nuri
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Myanmar's child soldiers reunite after 16 years



Myanmar's child soldiers reunite after 16 years

Two former rebels in Myanmar have been reunited in their homeland for the first time since giving up their armed struggle 16 years ago.

The twins were part of the so-called "God's Army" as child soldiers, and grew up to lead a violent struggle against Myanmar's military.

Al Jazeera's Wayne Hay reports from Yangon.
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post Mar 28 2017, 05:54 PM

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Awesome aerial display of Sukhoi SU-30MKM and SU-30SM during LIMA 2017


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post Mar 28 2017, 05:57 PM

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Su30MKM's main base, Gong Kedak. Why would the base be there??



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post Mar 28 2017, 06:00 PM

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Rafale…Non and Orions

Marhalim Abas
March 28, 2017
Malaysia - RMAF

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Kawasaki P-3C Orion

Anyhow, apart from the Saudi/Kuwait aircraft, Malaysia has also been offered surplus P-3C Orions MPAs from Japan. The Defence Ministry is hoping Japan will pay for the refurbishment costs just like what happened with the two ex=Japanese Coast Guard ships donated to the Malaysian Coast Guard.

Japan paid for the RM26 million refurbishment cost of KM Pekan, the media was told at LIMA 17.

No one can tell me the cost of refurbishing the four aircraft offered but RMN chief Admiral Kamarulzaman Badaruddin told me that if accepted that the Orions will be stripped of the submarine hunting equipment and no weapons will be donated as well. The other surveillance gear will be maintained.

Japan has some 81 Orions in service with its navy. These aircraft were licensed built Kawasaki of Japan, which is manufacturing their replacements, the P-1 MPA.


http://www.malaysiandefence.com/rafale-non-orions/

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post Mar 28 2017, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 28 2017, 05:57 PM)
Su30MKM's main base, Gong Kedak. Why would the base be there??



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Wasted 5 minute and no answer also

Not even informative
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post Mar 28 2017, 06:14 PM

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Mar 28 2017, 07:39 PM
This post has been deleted by MKLMS because: Off topic post not related to military thread.

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post Mar 28 2017, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Mar 28 2017, 07:10 PM)
Wasted 5 minute and no answer also

Not even informative
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by watching the video you just basically give the youtuber money for him to continue his bullshіt biggrin.gif
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post Mar 28 2017, 06:22 PM

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Our economy situation basically destroyed hopes of rmas getting their new MRCA
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post Mar 28 2017, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Mar 28 2017, 05:04 PM)
we dun have plan for marine corps (not anymore) so we dun need lcac or aav. prolly lcu to land lori 3 tan and other light vehicle but that's about it. mrss is mainly for logistical sapork and humanitarian effort anyway

LPD deck is big so any type of helo can land without need of haul down device like rast, so any type of helo can land, even nuri
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With ATM capabilities now and asset available.
Rejiment that most probably using for amphibious assault and heli assault would be 10 Para and the Mechanise brigade.
Helicopter should be EC725 or Nuri. Both medium weight helicopter.
For amphibious landing, LCVP and LCM.
LCVP can carry personnel and vehicle up to 5ton load if not wrong. LCM such as LCM1e which Australia and Spain is using can carry 1 MBT.
For normal personnel assault TLM got CB90s and Police marine got Seacat m14 or 18.
For logistic wise the LCVP and LCM is capable it the matter of how many the ship can carry.
For now the PT PAL ships are good for Indo and Philipines forces as they have marine with sea going APC. It not that singapore and Malaysia APC cannot swim but the level of survivallity with certain sea state.

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post Mar 28 2017, 06:44 PM

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Time to scrap idea of those high end fighter

Maintain, upgrade the su30mkm and hornets. I think these are already capable


Retire all mig, hawlks and ancient f5 replace with KAI FA-50 / TA-50/gripen

maintain just 3 variant of jet

Su30mkm
F18
TA-50/gripen

Our navy wake up from their wet dream, with sensible 15 to 5 plan

When will air force wake up

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post Mar 28 2017, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Mar 28 2017, 06:26 PM)
Why is Gong Kedak chosen to be the base for the Su30MKM?
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Why Gong Kedak, first is not putting all the fighters in one base.
Never ever put your egg in one basket.

http://www.scramble.nl/orbats/malaysia

The advantage for TUDM in puttin plane at northern part of peninsula Malaysia is due to the Indonesian Natuna Airspace which was heavily guarded by Indonesian airforce. There was one complain where TUDM charlie was escort by indonesian fighter plane. So for Gong kedak it nearer and faster for them to reach East Malaysia. For proctection from attack wise not really as the Iraq war has shown that how far your base is it still possible.
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post Mar 28 2017, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Mar 28 2017, 07:26 PM)
Why is Gong Kedak chosen to be the base for the Su30MKM?
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why not tho. Gong kedak airbase is there since ww2 and since other major airbase already had its fighter wings (F/A-18 in butterworth, Migs in kuantan, hawk in both butterworth and labuan on rotation basis), naturally gong kedak is chosen so not to overcrowd other airbases and to improve rmaf coverage
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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Mar 28 2017, 06:22 PM)
Our economy situation basically destroyed hopes of rmas getting their new MRCA
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Malaysia should have capability to buy the asset now. The main problem is politics. With people bad mouthing every single buy, like saying someone pocketing money and buying a submarine that cannot swim. It going to be hard and political no-no if the malaysian election is coming. So most probably any announcement will be after election. If TUDM to choose a western MRSS ship, politician will bring in question of why don't buy from this maker or that, its cheaper. They done care of the spec. It happen the the EC725 buy.
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Russian military police in Aleppo Syria


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post Mar 28 2017, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 28 2017, 07:29 PM)
With ATM capabilities now and asset available.
Rejiment that most probably using for amphibious assault and heli assault would be 10 Para and the Mechanise brigade.
Helicopter should be EC725 or Nuri. Both medium weight helicopter.
For amphibious landing, LCVP and LCM.
LCVP can carry personnel and vehicle up to 5ton load if not wrong. LCM such as LCM1e which Australia and Spain is using can carry 1 MBT.
For normal personnel assault TLM got CB90s and Police marine got Seacat m14 or 18.
For logistic wise the LCVP and LCM is capable it the matter of how many the ship can carry.
For now the PT PAL ships are good for Indo and Philipines forces as they have marine with sea going APC. It not that singapore and Malaysia APC cannot swim but the level of survivallity with certain sea state.
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point is, since the marine corps plan is put on the backburner, both navy and army didn't have to spend too much for specific equipments other than landing craft

the main use of mrss is for logistic and humanitarian effort after all
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Maybe skip the Typhoon/Rafale MRCA altogether. Get the Kuwaiti Hornets in good numbers

And when the Su30 and FA-18 need to be replaced, then go directly to fifth generation.

By that time, the F-35 will be cheaper and there will be copies/variant (although not as good) like the KAI or TAI or even the…. HAL version (or maybe not!!) Pak fa

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post Mar 28 2017, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Mar 28 2017, 06:44 PM)
Time to scrap idea of those high end fighter

Maintain, upgrade the su30mkm and hornets. I think these are already capable
Retire all mig, hawlks and ancient f5 replace with KAI FA-50 / TA-50/gripen

maintain just 3 variant of jet

Su30mkm
F18
TA-50/gripen

Our navy wake up from their wet dream, with sensible 15 to 5 plan

When will air force wake up
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Good idea but will not happen.
One is SU30mkm and Mig are russian. So if NATO or US go to UN and ask for embargo on russia and if this happen those plane will be grounded.
Two if and accident happen in one type of plane or helicopter and the plane/helicopter were force to be grounded due technical check. TUDM will have less plane/helis to fly. Thats why TUDM insist on new set of western plane. World politics do play a part ob the choice. Not that FA50 and Grifen are no good but safer to fly across water with 2 engine.
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post Mar 28 2017, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 28 2017, 08:23 PM)
Good idea but will not happen.
One is SU30mkm and Mig are russian. So if NATO or US go to UN and ask for embargo on russia and if this happen those plane will be grounded.
Two if and accident happen in one type of plane or helicopter and the plane/helicopter were force to be grounded due technical check. TUDM will have less plane/helis to fly. Thats why TUDM insist on new set of western plane. World politics do play a part ob the choice. Not that FA50 and Grifen are no good but safer to fly across water with 2 engine.
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>US go to UN and ask for embargo on russia
>russia is a permanent member in unsc
>embargo

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post Mar 28 2017, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Mar 28 2017, 07:17 PM)
point is, since the marine corps plan is put on the backburner, both navy and army didn't have to spend too much for specific equipments other than landing craft

the main use of mrss is for logistic and humanitarian effort after all
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Malaysia will not go all the way to have a US marine, Indonesian marine type of force. They will use the MRSS more like the british. So specification more or less with the capability when needed. The main buy apart from the MRSS ship with capabilties of landing medium size helicopter are the LCVP and The LCM for heavy loads. They used to be interested on italian and south koerean ship with its ability to carry cargo and helicopter as this are asset needed or military and HADR duties.

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