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post Feb 2 2021, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 2 2021, 11:34 AM)
The TA report link... did you download it?

there's a lot of interesting points. smile.gif

The table again...

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1. It includes the production numbers ....

2. See the ASP estimates for fy21 and fy22. They are projecting ASP of rm284 in fy21 to fall/normalise to rm174.80.

That should be around 30% plus... I think. tongue.gif

3. The pre covid level is below rm90.

4. With the production numbers and the revenue of the past, clearly the ASP is the boom boom boom factor.

5. See the naughty CY numbers.... esp for 2019 and 2020. See how the CY numbers differ. (the CY numbers is higher tongue.gif_

Now for example, the fy22 estimate net profit is 3.888 (see page 1 of the report), the CY22 estimate is 4.262 Billion.
So by using CY numbers, we see that the profit numbers are much higher versus the FY numbers. tongue.gif
Lastly .... the ASP numbers. My arguments on the past is based on simple business practice. Cos I do not believe a business can jack up their Selling Prices for a long period of time.  For TG, using TA numbers, we saw pre covid ASP of rm89 increasing all the way to rm265.00. For me, such alleviated prices can never last.....
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I did download it.
Waiting to properly read it during lunchtime. Chairing meetings in the morning where I can sporadically reply in between presentation decks.

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post Feb 2 2021, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Feb 2 2021, 12:12 PM)
Thanks for the advice though, if it can drop until pre-covid price, I really see no harm jumping in for long term.
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two things...

1. Part of your value is anchored to current prices....

2. Market will still be forward looking.



For 1.

Current windfall is due to these astronomical Selling Prices. Once it falls, there's a great chance that we will never see such extreme ASP again....... unless of course, a brand new pandemic happen again........

In the meantime, when the ASP normalize .... what will we see? Price war amongst glove makers. Yup, the big one, sure they can and they will survive. But how long will the price war last? A year? 2 years? 5 years? So in a price war, do you see earnings increasing or declining? wink.gif

Meanwhile... not all customers will be forgiving. They will remember what happened these few months. They will remember how the current glove makers, demanded deposits for order, constant price increment. Yup, in short, how many customers will remain loyal ? Will they switch to newer suppliers?

and yea... check out the glove makers pre covid stock performances.


For 2.

Once it fall the ASP, what's there for the market to look forward to? Without the prospect of earnings growth, how to seduce buyers?

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Feb 2 2021, 12:13 PM)
the problem is that... it won't laugh.gif
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so says the Harta long term shareholder .................................... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 2 2021, 12:19 PM)
I did download it.
Waiting to properly read it during lunchtime. Chairing meetings in the morning where I can sporadically reply in between presentation decks.

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post Feb 2 2021, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 2 2021, 12:34 PM)
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Thanks for the material and the views.
A lot of data points to crunch. One common denominator amidst all these reports is that based on current prices, there is a slight upside even based on the expected drop.

But sentiment is still big. What actually struck me when looking at that TA report was that inverse past 6 month correlation between the TG share price and the KLCI.
Maybe the daily MCO lifestyle affecting investor decisions.
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post Feb 2 2021, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 2 2021, 12:26 PM)
two things...

1. Part of your value is anchored to current prices....

2. Market will still be forward looking.
For 1.

Current windfall is due to these astronomical Selling Prices. Once it falls, there's a great chance that we will never see such extreme ASP again....... unless of course, a brand new pandemic happen again........

In the meantime, when the ASP normalize .... what will we see? Price war amongst glove makers. Yup, the big one, sure they can and they will survive. But how long will the price war last? A year? 2 years? 5 years? So in a price war, do you see earnings increasing or declining? wink.gif

Meanwhile...  not all customers will be forgiving. They will remember what happened these few months. They will remember how the current glove makers, demanded deposits for order, constant price increment. Yup, in short, how many customers will remain loyal ? Will they switch to newer suppliers?

and yea... check out the glove makers pre covid stock performances.
For 2.

Once it fall the ASP, what's there for the market to look forward to? Without the prospect of earnings growth, how to seduce buyers?
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I agree, the price war amongst the glove makers, has a very high chance to revert the ASP back to pre-covid if not lower. The earnings growth prospect will only come from the CAGR demand, no longer from ASP hike, which definitely will be extremely slow, compared to covid explosive growth.

BUT, if fear strikes until it really drops to pre-covid price or even lower, I really dont see any harm buying based on the currently projected data available today. But definitely will not discount the possibility you mentioned above. Hence, the FA entry should be adjusted even lower for more safety margin.

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post Feb 2 2021, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 2 2021, 12:28 PM)
so says the Harta long term shareholder .................................... laugh.gif
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haha. speaking from my opinion only lar. this is a forum mah

something did interest me on Dancomech. PE ok, high volume, company expected to announce higher revenue to to acquisition of company. some sharks are already inside and probably will cause more awareness on the market

it's a very good stocks to ehem..trade

but the problem i foresee it's the outstanding of volume. however it is not a bad in business point of view where the conversion of warrant can be used to pay off for the acquisition
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post Feb 2 2021, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Feb 2 2021, 01:45 PM)
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haha. speaking from my opinion only lar. this is a forum mah

something did interest me on Dancomech. PE ok, high volume, company expected to announce higher revenue to to acquisition of company. some sharks are already inside and probably will cause more awareness on the market

it's a very good stocks to ehem..trade

but the problem i foresee it's the outstanding of volume. however it is not a bad in business point of view where the conversion of warrant can be used to pay off for the acquisition
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post Feb 2 2021, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 25 2021, 07:45 PM)
statikinetic ... we chatted on ESOS b4 right?

I saw this ...

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3124171

The boss wife exercised some ESOS

1. Allotment of 371,700 shares via exercise of ESOS Options; and
2. Transfer of 100,000 shares to Lim Jin Feng via off market.

See here for the Exercise prices...

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3124165

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Just saw this .... shocking.gif shakehead.gif

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3126156

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Boss gets big chunk!!!
Brother & wife also get!!!


64 million new ESOS!


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post Feb 2 2021, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 27 2021, 04:22 PM)
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screaming ....  laugh.gif
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Wow.... this fella is screaming for new real estate ......

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post Feb 2 2021, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 2 2021, 07:14 PM)
statikinetic

Just saw this ....  shocking.gif  shakehead.gif

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3126156

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Boss gets big chunk!!!
Brother & wife also get!!!
64 million new ESOS!
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Waa, another round of ESOS.
On top of monthly salary they also taking monthy ESOS? thumbup.gif
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post Feb 3 2021, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 2 2021, 07:33 PM)
Waa, another round of ESOS.
On top of monthly salary they also taking monthy ESOS?  thumbup.gif
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The amount of ESOS options offered to the bosses directly... is shocking. It's not as if the bosses are underpaid....

Rather disgusting imo ....




... sadly ... not many will bother or care ......



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post Feb 3 2021, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 3 2021, 09:10 AM)
The amount of ESOS options offered to the bosses directly... is shocking. It's not as if the bosses are underpaid....

Rather disgusting imo ....
... sadly ... not many will bother or care ......
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Good times for the boss.
Getting ESOS and doesn't need to prop up the share price with SBB and personal buys, that bucket has been passed on to retailers with their ardent fangroups of TG.
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 3 2021, 09:10 AM)
The amount of ESOS options offered to the bosses directly... is shocking. It's not as if the bosses are underpaid....

Rather disgusting imo ....
... sadly ... not many will bother or care ......
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Fighting short seller more important than looking at management.

Cause most don't go in as investor although they claimed to be.
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post Feb 3 2021, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(MedElite23 @ Jan 29 2021, 09:18 PM)
Today it dipped down to 3.95, that would be 11.85 pre bonus, my 6th sense tells me it’s fairly valued tongue.gif seems like there’s some homework to do this weekend..

Speaking of QL, it occupies approx. 12% of my stock portfolio, I’m not adding anymore position as it defies some of the quantitative metrics in my book, but I do not want to miss out such a solid company too..so there’s that smile.gif
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If you bought it, I hope you secured an entry position below 4.00 yesterday.
Scientex looks to be on the move.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 3 2021, 12:50 PM)
If you bought it, I hope you secured an entry position below 4.00 yesterday.
Scientex looks to be on the move.
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doh.gif Missed the boat sad.gif
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post Feb 3 2021, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Feb 3 2021, 11:22 AM)
doh.gif Missed the boat sad.gif
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Well, we were just exchanged thought around this boat last Fri/Sat. Didn't expect it to move so soon.
Start looking for new boats at the harbour. Hopefully it's an empty luxury yacht this time, I want a CNY pressie.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 3 2021, 12:55 PM)
Well, we were just exchanged thought around this boat last Fri/Sat. Didn't expect it to move so soon.
Start looking for new boats at the harbour. Hopefully it's an empty luxury yacht this time, I want a CNY pressie.
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Yea, I saw it..and was lurking around What not with the noises of $GME etc. sad.gif

Next time should just sit down look at my the boat i want to be in laugh.gif
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 3 2021, 11:20 AM)
If you bought it, I hope you secured an entry position below 4.00 yesterday.
Scientex looks to be on the move.
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Unfortunately I did not get onboard, as I was busy during the day.

When I had time to sit, the counter has taken off. No excuse though, I would have to bite my teeth now. smile.gif
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post Feb 3 2021, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Feb 3 2021, 09:48 AM)
Fighting short seller more important than looking at management.

Cause most don't go in as investor although they claimed to be.
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Epic failure selling uw....

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