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post Feb 2 2018, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Feb 2 2018, 02:13 PM)
For some reason, I can't view the image above.. Link problem?

Ideally it's better to be using a device that's already known to run cool or at minimum doesn't overheat so much for hours on end or days on standby... Occasionally shutdown and allow to cool off every few days. Though, there are some devices that do not ship with a heat sink at all. Luckily most processors can take some heavy heat but not for long.. So here are a few things one can do to improve cooling..
*Install or replace the heat sink with a bigger one.
*Separate the covers and drill holes into em.. Especially around the processor area and or places you notice are hotter to touch than normal.
*Same as above but cut out vents instead. With cutting or drilling, be careful about dust. Try including wire meshes.
*Get a decent USB powered laptop cooler. Some can swing both ways. Either push cool air up or sucks out hot air.

Those are a few options.. All depends on your budget and hands-on skills.. nikrizal & BOTAK_WAI do have some real world experience in that department..
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Maybe you are able to view this picture ?

https://my-live-03.slatic.net/p/2/yue-song-...7-webp-zoom.jpg

Quiet operation is important for me. Don't want to video to be spoiled by fan noise.

Have to cut a window from the side of the box.

Power wise, will be plug back into the USB of the tv box. Hope that when the box is in shutdown or suspend mode, the fan will be switch off too.

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post Feb 2 2018, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Feb 2 2018, 07:11 PM)
Don't you have to cut open the casing at the bottom ? Or the box already got holes ?

Power by usb, is it from the usb of the tv box ? Or you use a usb charger socket plugged to the a.c. ?

Where is the intelligence of temperature cut off coming from ? The equipment set you bought already come with that intelligence ?


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post Feb 2 2018, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Feb 2 2018, 08:11 PM)
actually no need fan la...a bigger heatsink enough already.
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The box I am using has zero ventilation hole.

Cpu temperature can go as high as 70 deg, maybe in the hot afternoon could be worse.

Now I open up the top cover, without any cooling fan, it can run at 45 deg. Great improvement.
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post Feb 3 2018, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Feb 3 2018, 12:07 AM)
Good. So in your case, just needed room to breathe.
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Just not feeling good with the unit exposed.

I think I will try to make many holes on the top cover, then close back the box and try this out.

If the temperature is still not low enough, then put a cooling fan on top.

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post Feb 3 2018, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Feb 3 2018, 12:16 PM)
Cant see the picture above, but isnt your model is MXQ Pro?

It should have vent holes at the bottom?

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No. I have stopped using it already. Due to the poor wifi.
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post Feb 6 2018, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(alister88 @ Feb 5 2018, 12:33 AM)
Hi, newbie here and planning to get my first Android box.

So Im into some TVB Dramas, some China tv shows, Eng & HK Movies and mostly Live Sports (BPL/Champions League etc).

I've read through and did some research and was thinking of using Hypp/AOTG to stream some live matches but understood that not all box support it.

Well Hypp is more to making use of it cos I recently get a free upgrade from TM(8mb screamyx). But using AOTG as a backup just incase those server from Kodi not working.

But I also read from another thread that there's this TWRP thingy can allow AOTG to run/bypass on a T95 box.

So does that it might work on other boxes that is similar spec to T95?
Cos Minix is pretty over my budget.

Or are there any other box that is sufficient to provide me what AOTG/Hypp have so that I can ditch that app?

Thanks! smile.gif
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It should work on all boxes, but since nobody has the luxury to test such things on all different boxes, so you will not get a definite answer.

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post Feb 6 2018, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(fruitie @ Feb 6 2018, 01:54 PM)
No way for AOTG if rooted, unless you use Magisk Manager but I find it not so easy to do with a box. It could be I noob also la. laugh.gif
Most of the apps in box, you will need to sideload anyway, and no AOTG doesn't work that way as well.

Why don't you splurge a bit more, botak_wai shared the Minix link earlier. Eat roti for a few weeks and you will enjoy AOTG.

I am using AOTG and HyppTV Everywhere on my Minix U1. Got it for RM 250, totally worth for the money spent, super super deal for me. Stable and nice. I also have M9s Pro which I have given to my elder sister, it is OK for me except it is rooted so these two main apps cannot work.

Edit: The price increased back from yesterday's RM 307 to RM 442. sad.gif
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Actually Amlogic tv box are very easy to work with. So many different ways it can boot, it can boot from internal flash, external sd, usb thumb drive. It can also be flashed using usb cable, sd card and so on.

Almost impossible to make a hard brick out of it. wink.gif

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post Feb 6 2018, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(demogorgon @ Feb 6 2018, 02:23 PM)
if i alone eat roti can lah but dowan my whole famili to eat roti as well my wife will smack me lorĀ  sweat.gif

Ok so the app is out of the question whether sideload or not. But on a web browser will it work? To note, i did ask the seller to test for me playing aotg from web, using rooted box. He said tested and working. Somehow i feel more assured if can get honest answer in here.

Yah i looked out for a Minix box as well but didn't see 1 that match my budget. You got rm250 is a super sweet deal btw!
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Web browser do not work.

Buy a box like x92, beelink etc which lowyat forumers have already bought. There are threads here in lowyat if you got support issues you can ask.

Else buy Minix box and eat bread with plain water.

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post Feb 6 2018, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(alister88 @ Feb 6 2018, 02:43 PM)
Thanks mate, I think I'll just save up for Minix then... so far I found one selling for RM445 in Lazada.. the cheapest by far from my survey(selling locally).
I wish RM250 still exist..  sweat.gif
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Did the price comes with a Minix airmouse ? Can't use pure IR remote for AOTG. brows.gif
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post Feb 6 2018, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(fruitie @ Feb 6 2018, 04:30 PM)
I'm really noob. laugh.gif
But thanks for the insight, looks like it is possible.

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I have not dealt with too many different tv boxes. But so far every box which I put my hands on it, AOTG works.

AOTG is definitely not as sticky as online banking application, but I got most of the banking apps running on my rooted phone. wink.gif


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post Feb 7 2018, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(alister88 @ Feb 6 2018, 09:05 PM)
I feel skeptical getting it from overseas... dunno why...  sweat.gif
maybe because Im a banana, or maybe the warranty.. I would choose local stocks over China stocks... also Im pretty impatient.. hehe
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Lazada provides 7 days return if the goods is not functioning or not meeting the spec as in the sales material. So only buy those things which one thinks it will not degrade so fast after the 7 days.

Upon receiving the goods, quickly determine if the good is original or fake as per the spec/brand.

After the 7 days, no more warranty, makan sendiri.

So it is not advisable to buy those things which can potentially degrade very quickly, eg hard disk.

I don't think items like tv box will degrade so fast. If it is good to start with, it will be good for while. That's the risk for buying overseas item.
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QUOTE(Kratokrato @ Feb 7 2018, 10:30 PM)
I am using the X92, has very good wifi reception with the antenna.

Did a test  with wifi and wired on 1gbit internet with very good results. Should meet your needs.

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FYI, the X92 is using a closed source wifi driver. You get what you get, not more and not less. No further improvement can be made in the software.
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post Feb 13 2018, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 13 2018, 12:11 PM)
Unequivocally YES. The Shield is an awesome device for home theatre, whether or not you will be gaming on it.
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The Shield did not get a good review by the Kodi folks.

https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=252916


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post Feb 13 2018, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Feb 13 2018, 12:52 PM)
See screenshot below.. Question 2.

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That's only one aspect. I am sure you can find in the same page other less good comments about Shield, such as upscaling, just one line above the your attached screenshot.
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post Feb 13 2018, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 13 2018, 02:03 PM)
I think you need to re-read page 1, there is no perfect box. For my use case scenario, it works wonderfully and its the best android tv box available. Not everyone will be happy with it because it may not work for what they want to do. There is a guy in the Nvidia Shield thread who is not happy with his newly purchased Shield because the external storage does not work well with Quasar. For me I stream stuff from my NAS on KodiĀ  & use the streaming apps, so this is not an issue for me. So does that make my view invalid because there are negative reviews? I guess it depends on whether the negative points are related to stuff that you may need. If it is, then stay away and find something else. I have been using media boxes for a long time now since the Sigma vs Realtek days, and unfortunately, there are still no perfect boxes. But fortunately for me, the Shield is now the only box I need. Will probably upgrade only when I get a Dolby Vision tv sometime in the future.
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No perfect box is not a good excuse for a box such as Shield going at the price.

Poor upscaler, if it is true as claimed by the Kodi/LibreElec developer, is something very significant and fundamentally important. According to the developer, a cheapo Amlogic box does better job than shield in this aspect.

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 13 2018, 05:43 PM)
Didn't even know that it had an upscaler. Even if it has one, why would anyone use it instead of the upscaler in their TV? Am I missing something. I have always believed that upscaling is best left to the TV in most cases anyway. AVR & Bluray players upscalers should always be disabled unless you have an Oppo player with Darby or something of that cred. So it shouldn't be any different with a TV box.
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The Bluray is not really capable of 4K, so its the TV which doing the upscaling.

But newer TV BOx is itself capable of 4K. If resolution is set at 1080p, then basically when playing 4k content, it will have to downscale first by the TV Box, and then upscale again at the TV. Quality will not be good.

So when one has a TV and TVBox which are both capable of 4K, then it is best to set at 4K resolution or best resolution. Then basically one is using the upscaler in the tvbox and never the upscaler in TV.

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post Feb 13 2018, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Feb 13 2018, 07:15 PM)
Blu-ray is 1080p but Blu-ray UHD is 4K resolution. First few titles start appear on 14 February, 2016  and the quality is absolutely outstanding. Netflix 4K is great but still cannot compare with Blu-ray UHD quality.
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And therefore when uhd bluray player plays non-uhd bluray disc on 4k tv, it is the bluray player which performs the upscaling, not the tv.
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post Feb 14 2018, 07:14 AM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 13 2018, 06:46 PM)
There are UHD bluray players now.

Bolded part don't really understand what you mean.  Why would you set resolution at 1080P for a 4K tv? A 4K tv will always upscale to its native resolution whatever you send to it. So why is the tvbox downscaling first and later letting the tv upscale? This seems very wrong and is bound to give poor quality.

If you set 4k resolution in the tvbox, 4k sources will go through as normal without upscaling. So you're saying lower resolution files will be upscaled by the box too and its not possible to allow the TV to do the upscaling?
Never checked this before, will try to see if there are some ways to disable the upscaling.
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The reason for doing the bolded. When the tvbox is doing a shitty job of upscaling and when most of the content one plays is below 4k. Setting resolution to 1080p will then allow the TV to perform 4k upscaling.

Read this thread by Shield users. Some are doing this exact setting in view of poor upscale quality from Shield.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/91...ield-4k-uhd-/4/

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 14 2018, 10:05 AM)
Sold off all my old boxes. Some broken ones had to throw away. Yeah, popcorn hour was deemed one of the best those days and was super expensive in Malaysia. Are you a collector? There still seem to be some interest for the vintage sigma players like Dune & Popcorn hour nowadays.
Read that thread yesterday and tested this out. There is no auto switching for reso & colourspace, so have to manually choose to change it if you want the TV to upscale. Tested out a few HD movies with with 1080p & 4k reso setting on the Shield. Can't see any noticeable difference in PQ but the colour tint is slightly different. Maybe my TV's upscaling is not good as those guys in the thread who all have high end tvs so I can't see much difference. Will need to test further to see how bad it is.

The way I see it, this is not an upscaling issue because I don't expect the Shield to upscale. Its an issue on why the Shield cannot auto-switch resolution & colourspace especially since the issue seems to have been raised 2 years ago. So if this is a showstopper for you, stay away from the shield.
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Yes the Shield's colourspace and resolution issue are mentioned in the link I posted earlier from the Kodi forum. It is a post made by a guru developer of Kodi/LibreElec.

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NOTE: 99% of devices running the Android OS cannot Automatically Resolution Switch from 1080p to 4K properly like you will get with other non-Android Kodi devices. 4K LibreELEC devices have no such auto resolution switching issues.
Auto resolution seems to be limited by the Android OS, which might be the reason why Shield is unable to do much even though received such feedback 2 years ago.


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post Feb 18 2018, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(Angel01 @ Feb 18 2018, 06:55 PM)
Hi guys, i am new to this tv box thing and recently got so annoyed with Astro, my friend recommended Infinite TV Box, i saw can be purchased for around 600.

Can someone kindly explain how this tv box works, and how it gets the streams?
Also legality issues?

Any other tv boxes to recommend?

Thanks.
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Sells at rm600 for what value ? Look at the spec, it only worth less than rm150.

Perhaps the bulk of the rest of money goes to illegal streaming of astro content ? Such streaming there will be no guarantee to it's long term existence.

Purchase at your own risk.

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