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alchmiya
post May 30 2017, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 30 2017, 12:09 PM)
Based on the above statement, there is nothing guaranteed in returns in any investment linked policies unless it's a traditional whole life policy.

As for investment linked policies, it's quite surprise to see that the term insurance is more expensive than the investment link policy. Which is normally the other way around meaning term insurance are normally cheaper than investment link policies.

The main benefit of Investment link policy is whereby you are able to attach riders such as
- Critical Illness
- Personal Accident
- Early Critical Illness
- Multi Critical Illness
- Medical Card
- Waiver of Premium
- Hospital Income
- Ladies Plan such as Pregnancy and Birth, Female Specific Illness
- Cancer Plan

However standalone / term insurance normally only covers a specific area with no rider attachable to it.

With so much rider attachable to an investment link policy, it's normally more advantages in the long run if there is any claims because you need not to worry about making any premium payment if you have riders like Waiver of Premium which will kick in upon Critical Illness claim or Total Permanent Disability.

You'll also be payment higher than term insurance as part of an investment to sustain your policy. Good thing is that you can lock in the premium to be paid at a younger age while paying at a lower premium compared to when you're much more older. However this doesn't guarantee your policy will last forever subject to the changes in COI ( Cost of insurance ) and also Account Value ( your investment return over the years ).
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Just want to look for something that will pay out 500k in the event of death. All the others ie CI, medical etc are bought some years ago.

I would also think term should be cheaper and since for term, u won't get bck any cash value after 20 yrs, I'm also ignoring the cash value of the ILP after 20 yrs. 2k vs 1.2k, pretty much no brainer?

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QUOTE(alchmiya @ May 30 2017, 12:30 PM)
Just want to look for something that will pay out 500k in the event of death. All the others ie CI, medical etc are bought some years ago.

I would also think term should be cheaper and since for term, u won't get bck any cash value after 20 yrs, I'm also ignoring the cash value of the ILP after 20 yrs. 2k vs 1.2k, pretty much no brainer?
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Well if your main intention is just to cover 500k for the next 20 years with no returns then term insurance is pretty much the way to go as the premium to be paid for the next 20 years is guaranteed whereas an investment link policy might need you to do a top up in between as you grow older should the cost of insurance increases overtime you might end up paying more for it.
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post May 30 2017, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ May 30 2017, 12:23 PM)
Hi! Thanks for tagging me on this question. Didn't see it on the thread.. Different thread perhaps.

First thing's first I have to say I am not familiar with the protection plan from Fundsupermart hence I can't comment on their pricing.

Allianz PremierLink for the premium you've stated is for purely for life protection. That is Death Benefit or Total Permanent Disabiity. If by 100 years old non of the above happens, the remaining cash value will be returned to the client.

When it comes to Investment Linked Product (ILP) there is an investment element to it hence you're able to maintain your premium at a certain price for a certain number of years, depending on how the fund performs. Theoratically it is possible for the fund to underperform but it is also possible for it to outperform its projected estimates.

For your case, being a smoker your premium will start at RM1,271 instead. And based on the low scenario of 3%, the premium is projected to last another 22 years before requiring additional contribution from you. Paying RM1,271 is the bare minimum, you do have the option to increase the premium, hence driving up your cash value. Depends what your financial situation is currently. Some clients do opt to make additional contribution to the investment portion later on.

Perhaps another thing you'd be interested to know is the Cost of Insurance or Insurance Charges. This will also affect the premium.

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Jiansheng
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Thanks for your clarification and quoting the low 3%. I also understand that funds in ILP might also have negative returns in some bad years. It is just that many ppl bashing ILP and that's why I'm having some doubt. All they say is term is cheaper but yet I have not found any, yet.

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QUOTE(alchmiya @ May 30 2017, 12:39 PM)
Thanks for your clarification and quoting the low 3%. I also understand that funds in ILP might also have negative returns in some bad years. It is just that many ppl bashing ILP and that's why I'm having some doubt. All they say is term is cheaper but yet I have not found any, yet.
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Investment is all about taking a risk. You gain some, you lose some, if you want, you can also keep monitoring on all the performance return but the point is that Insurance is for protection and why do you even care about the returns if you're saying that the next 20 years is more on coverage.

If you don't intend to spend any amount for investment then go with term insurance
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post May 30 2017, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(alchmiya @ May 30 2017, 12:39 PM)
Thanks for your clarification and quoting the low 3%. I also understand that funds in ILP might also have negative returns in some bad years. It is just that many ppl bashing ILP and that's why I'm having some doubt. All they say is term is cheaper but yet I have not found any, yet.
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No worries at all 🤓

At the end of the day, work with an agent that understands your needs and work out a plan with you.

Best,
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post May 30 2017, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 30 2017, 12:43 PM)
Investment is all about taking a risk. You gain some, you lose some, if you want, you can also keep monitoring on all the performance return but the point is that Insurance is for protection and why do you even care about the returns if you're saying that the next 20 years is more on coverage.

If you don't intend to spend any amount for investment then go with term insurance
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I would love to go for term insurance if the premium is less than 1.2k, still looking.
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post May 30 2017, 09:26 PM

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Hi, anyone can suggest the insurance to cover loss of income due to temporary disability?

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QUOTE(roldani @ May 30 2017, 09:26 PM)
Hi, anyone can suggest the insurance to cover loss of income due to temporary disability?
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Personal accident will normally cover all these
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post May 31 2017, 12:02 PM

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Hi all. Plan to refinance house. So bank is proposing to take the MRTA. Is it adviseable to increase personal insurance coverage sum instead of taking home insurance MRTA?

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Hi all. PlAn to refinance house. So bank is proposing to take ghe META. Is it adviseable to increase personal insurance coverage sum instead of taking home insurance MRTA?
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You may refer to this.
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post May 31 2017, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 31 2017, 12:05 PM)
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You may refer to this.
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MLTA is too expensive for my age i guess. So now left MRTA vs personal insurance.
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QUOTE(giggs_509 @ May 31 2017, 12:09 PM)
MLTA is too expensive for my age i guess. So now left MRTA vs personal insurance.
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biggrin.gif don't be too quick to judge first, get someone who is specialize in the field to recommend you first then make the decision
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QUOTE(giggs_509 @ May 31 2017, 12:09 PM)
MLTA is too expensive for my age i guess. So now left MRTA vs personal insurance.
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Personal insurance?
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post May 31 2017, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ May 31 2017, 12:13 PM)
Personal insurance?
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Yes. Let say personal insurance cover death/TPD 500k. House loan at the time left 300k. So can settle house 300k and got balance 200k. Correct me ya. Noob here
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QUOTE(giggs_509 @ May 31 2017, 12:21 PM)
Yes. Let say personal insurance cover death/TPD 500k. House loan at the time left 300k. So can settle house 300k and got balance 200k. Correct me ya. Noob here
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Ya the only problem is you got less 300k to use as income replacement or to pass on to your next of kin because instead of buying additional coverage for the additional debt you incurred.

Never mix up mortgage insurance and personal insurance

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QUOTE(giggs_509 @ May 31 2017, 12:21 PM)
Yes. Let say personal insurance cover death/TPD 500k. House loan at the time left 300k. So can settle house 300k and got balance 200k. Correct me ya. Noob here
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Yes. In a way.

MLTA is a fancy way to say life insurance or how you put it personal insurance but specifically for your property loan.

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post May 31 2017, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 31 2017, 12:23 PM)
Ya the only problem is you got less 300k to use as income replacement or to pass on to your next of keen because instead of buying additional coverage for the additional debt you incurred.

Never mix up mortgage insurance and personal insurance
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So not adviseable?
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post May 31 2017, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ May 31 2017, 12:25 PM)
Yes. In a way.

MLTA is a fancy way to say life insurance or how you put it personal insurance but specifically for your property loan.

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Jiansheng
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Agreed, but since the protection is level, and the mortgage outstanding reduces over time, the protection can be used for other purposes, like to cover the loans outstanding of a new BMW rclxms.gif

I like the fact that you are open about the nature of MLTA, it is a life insurance with the main purpose of covering a mortgage... MRTA is similar too, but it is absolutely assigned to the bank and you have to surrender it once you settle the loan.
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post May 31 2017, 01:38 PM

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Hi all, if i feel my agent is ignoring me and not serving at my interest, am i allow to change agent?? wat bout commission?
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QUOTE(giggs_509 @ May 31 2017, 12:29 PM)
So not adviseable?
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It really depends on you and your long term planning, I can't advise further as I don't know you

QUOTE(Mahao @ May 31 2017, 01:38 PM)
Hi all, if i feel my agent is ignoring me and not serving at my interest, am i allow to change agent?? wat bout commission?
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You cant simply change agent once you signed up for a policy unless it's a serious matter and repeated multiple times

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