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 Mazda 323 Engine Swap, Looking to swap my engine

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post Feb 14 2017, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(digilife @ Feb 14 2017, 06:15 PM)
The nice one is M54B30

but roadtax will kill your wallet
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Interesting.... never thought of putting German muscle into a Japanese car. Does it even fit and is it even safe/legal? 🤔
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post Feb 14 2017, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Feb 14 2017, 06:14 PM)
2Jz  brows.gif
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2Jz including everything will cost you abt rm20k into a Beemer

Beemer esp E46 is a good car to transplant a highspeed engine cause its heavy car & the weight distribution is really gooding but bewarn the ECU & wiring could be a big issues if the mech is not a specialist on this kind of transplant.


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post Feb 14 2017, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 06:19 PM)
Interesting.... never thought of putting German muscle into a Japanese car. Does it even fit and is it even safe/legal? 🤔
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But I dun think you can get it endorsed unless you want to Ahem Ahem it,
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post Feb 14 2017, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 06:19 PM)
ahha that was suggestions for himself.... for you, that is a whole can of worms you dont wana try open...

suggest you just keep the current engine for now and do more homework dulu......

also suggest you consider something which is a direct swap, i dont think you are ready for a complicated engine swap. cheaper and less of a headache
remember whole wiring loom must go together.. meter cluster has to fit too.... on the plus side old cars less electrical shenanigans to deal with (not even thinking about clearances, mountings, matching stuff up, shafts)
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Agreed, but dreaming about it also feels good yeah

Direct swap.... I suppose B6T is the most suitable and realistic candidate. Blacktops really high in demand, and Honda engine.... see how lah, the B16 still sounds tempting. VTEC man, VTEC.
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post Feb 14 2017, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 02:15 PM)
Well put it the other way , if you started with 20k in the pocket and looking for a car , would you still pick a junker and try to patch it up or get a less tired car or even a new car altogether .

If you said it was an mx5, or even Honda type R , mini cooper, volks bug, ok lah not bad

And you had gone through so much as you said, think about how regretful you will feel if the project really fails. You will be like , I should have just gotten something better altogether and not wasted all these time .

Sometimes worth to take a step back and look at it again considering all options. Don't get tunnel vision

Your point 4. Is it even worth it ?
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Dude seriously, wtf? TS already has the car. Stop telling him la wrong car to buy, buy what car, etc etc. Nasi sudah menjadi bubur, So stop asking for fried rice.
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post Feb 14 2017, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 06:21 PM)
Agreed, but dreaming about it also feels good yeah

Direct swap.... I suppose B6T is the most suitable and realistic candidate. Blacktops really high in demand, and Honda engine.... see how lah, the B16 still sounds tempting. VTEC man, VTEC.
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no offencelah but b16a is way outa your budget.... rclxub.gif and again you gona have to make custom mounts, exhausts, wirings... and last but not least... 10/10 illegal.... (not sure about that dif make transplant form tho, but selling off in the future is definitely very difficult)

if u really want a b16a... why not sell off the 323 and get a honda.... not much more expensive, parts are easier see where this is going? innocent.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 05:39 PM)
That's an interesting point, about the insurance. Thanks for the info!

How's your A31? Any tips?
Feel like starting another thread about restoring ancient cars 🤔
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So far my car no biggy. All parts are functional. My expectation is car paint looks good, no rust and engine is healthy. The rest still can close one eye. Playing old car must have reliable forman. I have one specialized in nissan and RB engine. His charges are very reasonable. He is helpful enough to source most parts. I just pay him and he will kautim everything .

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post Feb 14 2017, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 06:25 PM)
no offencelah but b16a is way outa your budget.... rclxub.gif and again you gona have to make custom mounts, exhausts, wirings... and last but not least... 10/10 illegal.... (not sure about that dif make transplant form tho, but selling off in the future is definitely very difficult)

if u really want a b16a... why not sell off the 323 and get a honda.... not much more expensive, parts are easier see where this is going?  innocent.gif
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Next project perhaps? Not at the moment, have to muster through the income tax payment first.

How much is the B16A alone? Just wanna know je
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post Feb 14 2017, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(taufufa @ Feb 14 2017, 06:32 PM)
So far my car no biggy. All parts are functional. My expectation is car paint looks good, no rust and engine is healthy. The rest still can close one eye. Playing old car must have reliable forman. I have one specialized in nissan and RB engine. His charges are very reasonable. He is helpful enough to source most parts. I just pay him and he will kautim everything .
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Yeah the guy handling my car now pretty decent man.
The only employee working since it's his own shop
I tried others... "overhaul engine la bro, car so old.... I give you cheap price la ok 6 thousand". I ask why they say just in case, later engine meletup don't say they never warn.
Deng, only thing meletup in my car before is my friend's vape.
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post Feb 14 2017, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 05:43 PM)
Not bad, done anything to the car?
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Nope , nothing , it's not worth to spend anything more other than what is needed to keep it running
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QUOTE(GalaxiasWilliam @ Feb 14 2017, 06:24 PM)
Dude seriously, wtf? TS already has the car. Stop telling him la wrong car to buy, buy what car, etc etc. Nasi sudah menjadi bubur, So stop asking for fried rice.
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He doesn't need to go get tangled so deep in debt , working 3 4 jobs just for a car. If it runs let it be
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post Feb 14 2017, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 08:06 PM)
Nope , nothing , it's not worth to spend anything more other than what is needed to keep it running
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Exactly, hence "restoration". Engine swap is just an upgrade, a 27 year old stock engine still runs fine, but I have to start planning ahead and get the prices as well as info right to prevent some last min CamPro swap (now THAT would suck). That's why I started this thread!
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 08:07 PM)
He doesn't need to go get tangled so deep in debt , working 3 4 jobs just for a car. If it runs let it be
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1, I'm not in debt. 2, it's my gaji after paying my bills. 3, I only have one job. 4, yes my car runs, but it can run better and more efficient.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Feb 14 2017, 06:19 PM)
2Jz including everything will cost you abt rm20k into a Beemer

Beemer esp E46 is a good car to transplant a highspeed engine cause its  heavy car & the weight distribution is really gooding but bewarn the ECU & wiring could be a big issues if the mech is not a specialist on this kind of transplant.
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i saw some of the forumer have the specialist contact which already done alot of beemer engine transplant to 1jz / 2jz ..
good to see those beemer on the road brows.gif
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post Feb 15 2017, 07:01 AM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 09:38 PM)
Exactly, hence "restoration". Engine swap is just an upgrade, a 27 year old stock engine still runs fine, but I have to start planning ahead and get the prices as well as info right to prevent some last min CamPro swap (now THAT would suck). That's why I started this thread!
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That's because I'm dropping money for a new mazda 6 This year , this wira has been here since 1997 , it's not second hand
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post Feb 15 2017, 07:59 AM

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This is a social forum dude. You came here looking for answers, there will be constructive ones and there will be those that has only their own point of thinking. Why u let it get to u.

As for the engine, Mun Lee is damn hack expensive. B6 for rm4k... It's a very old engine. If you really want to do this, really gotta do research and run halfcut shops every weekend.. Doing it via mudah is not that wise.

Try to find the BPT engine. Or any newer engine than the B6. Rationale is that ur installation and maintenance costs are the same no matter what engine u put in plus minus... so y waste that money on an older engine that will be hard to find parts. From what i know B8 onw r still easier to find now.

Cheers!
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post Feb 15 2017, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(GeNez @ Feb 15 2017, 07:59 AM)
This is a social forum dude. You came here looking for answers, there will be constructive ones and there will be those that has only their own point of thinking. Why u let it get to u.

As for the engine, Mun Lee is damn hack expensive. B6 for rm4k... It's a very old engine. If you really want to do this, really gotta do research and run halfcut shops every weekend.. Doing it via mudah is not that wise.

Try to find the BPT engine. Or any newer engine than the B6. Rationale is that ur installation and maintenance costs are the same no matter what engine u put in plus minus... so y waste that money on an older engine that will be hard to find parts. From what i know B8 onw r still easier to find now.

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Actually I'm not even 100% sure, are Mazda engines even worth swapping? I've never heard anyone puroposely going for a Mazda engine for swapping, it's always the common ones like Toyota Honda or BMW. Those are totally out of my budget.
What about Mitsubishi or older Nissan engines? Would they be cheaper? Not going for 4b11T kinda range that one sure enough to by my car 3 times
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post Feb 15 2017, 09:18 AM

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currenty restoring this.
bought it at RM9.3k with 4g63t inside.


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post Feb 15 2017, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(zahidee @ Feb 15 2017, 09:18 AM)
currenty restoring this.
bought it at RM9.3k with 4g63t inside.
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Damn the engine bay looks nice, the engine came with the car at 9.3k?
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post Feb 15 2017, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 15 2017, 09:09 AM)
Actually I'm not even 100% sure, are Mazda engines even worth swapping? I've never heard anyone puroposely going for a Mazda engine for swapping, it's always the common ones like Toyota Honda or BMW. Those are totally out of my budget.
What about Mitsubishi or older Nissan engines? Would they be cheaper? Not going for 4b11T kinda range that one sure enough to by my car 3 times
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its very simple why ppl swap in engines into beemers, mercs and some toyotas....
1)direct/easy swap ready mounts
2)and the original engines are either pathetic OR difficult/exp to jaga
3)its been done and proven
4)space/practicality

What about Mitsubishi or older Nissan engines?
before you think about this... think practicality.... do you know how much it costs to make custom mounts assuming off the shelf items are not available? (which is why i have been harping about this to you all this while)
and to answer you about the costs of the engine itself...
-4g93t gen1 (gsr) <5k or so, much more if you can even find a good cond truely low milage unit
-4g93t gen2 (gsr) <stupidly these are 7k and up (usually much more)
-4g63t gen1 (gsr) (evo 3 and older) some ppl wana swap em, so u can get them for 5k, demands for the entire engines not that kuat since cannot legally shove into those protons... (also less ppl modifying such old engines)
-4g63t gen2 (gsr) (evo 4 and newer) evo 4 about 6k and up, evo 5 close to 10k, evo 7 and you are looking at 12-15k
-4b11T < dont bother, assuming your car cost 4k, its more than 3x... probably closer to 5x
approximate figs from what i have seen, does include some extra bits you can sell off
*gen 1 and 2 refers to the older and newer ones where the timing belts are terbalik.... gen 2 are commonly referred to as engine terbalik here (gen 2 fits later protons, blm, satria neo, gen2, persona etc while gen 1 fits the older bunch, wira, satria, perdana, putra)

also remember u should replace wear and tear bits before plonking it in, custom mounts costs workmanship which is going to be somewhat mahal especially if its something uncommon... (some things have to be tried and tested before getting it right). add it all in and it will easily cost you 2-3x the cost of just plonking in a simple p&p swap. How much power are you looking to push anyway? if its not alot, dont even bother with these difficult swaps. Only reason you should even consider running off the p&p path is if you are looking for lots of power, cannot afford to maintain your old engine or just want one for the sake of it (if its the 3rd, prepare butloads of cash)

*also very very sure an evo engine will tear your chassis up, that chassis wasn't really built to have that kind of power, an evo 1's torque alone bent my friend's saga back in the day... just took it 1 year (then again back then he ran solid mounts, might have been a factor)

older nissan engines, personally would not recommend, the parts are more expensive (not that you cannot maintain them, there are specialists here, but more exp than the equivalent mitsu)

QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 15 2017, 09:24 AM)
Damn the engine bay looks nice, the engine came with the car at 9.3k?
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fyi, actually prices for those cars are abit nuts depending on how much mods have gone into them and their conditions... u can sometimes find them for those figures BUT that you should understand is, its a very old engine that has usually been put through its paces by their owners. not sure if you realize but there are many evo/6a12tt perdanas, gsr protons obtainable for under 10k if you know where to look. With the economy as it is now, tts a buyers market now and most are owners who wana 'lepas tangan' after playing with them. (unfortunately also means usually there's quite abit of wear and tear)

ehh not to ruffle anyone's feathers ya zahidee!! icon_rolleyes.gif

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