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TSPolitricks
post Feb 14 2017, 09:54 AM, updated 9y ago

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So I bought a 1991 1.6 Mazda Astina 323F (the one with pop-up headlights) and I'm thinking of doing a swap maybe one year down the road after getting all the vital stuff sorted out.

I'm looking at the B6T, but I have a few concerns.

1. Would it fit?
2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
4. Is it even worth it?

Also, open topic for the Astina in general. Love the look and overall design of the car!
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post Feb 14 2017, 09:59 AM

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you should've taken all these into consideration, finding out the answer to all of the above questions BEFORE u buy it.... if that's your purpose of buying this car...


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post Feb 14 2017, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(kayz1e @ Feb 14 2017, 09:59 AM)
you should've taken all these into consideration, finding out the answer to all of the above questions BEFORE u buy it....  if that's your purpose of buying this car...
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too late for that now icon_idea.gif
I understand, some people tell me the same thing like get a local car for better reliability yadda yadda heard it all before, the thing is I make poor financial choices to fulfill myself, and driving/repairing/restoring the Astina feels good so... No offense, but I'm looking for advice on the current rather than what should-have-been.
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 09:54 AM)
So I bought a 1991 1.6 Mazda Astina 323F (the one with pop-up headlights) and I'm thinking of doing a swap maybe one year down the road after getting all the vital stuff sorted out.

I'm looking at the B6T, but I have a few concerns.

1. Would it fit?
2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
4. Is it even worth it?

Also, open topic for the Astina in general. Love the look and overall design of the car!
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nice car....reminds me of my childhood..
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 09:54 AM)
So I bought a 1991 1.6 Mazda Astina 323F (the one with pop-up headlights) and I'm thinking of doing a swap maybe one year down the road after getting all the vital stuff sorted out.

I'm looking at the B6T, but I have a few concerns.

1. Would it fit?
2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
4. Is it even worth it?

Also, open topic for the Astina in general. Love the look and overall design of the car!
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i prefer lantis 323F .. walaaa.. childhood time ..

anyway, you can always research any alternative engine/part option you may choose ..

i heard people say mazda and ford some are sharing same part (during that era la.. )

anyway, happy modding thumbsup.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(pakdamek @ Feb 14 2017, 10:03 AM)
nice car....reminds me of my childhood..
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You can't imagine! After I got the car, started a lot of nostalgia-induced conversations with the elder generation.
My uncle's first car was a Lantis, absolutely loved it.
Was my father's dream car when he was younger (much younger)
One of my client's sister's first car and he would pinjam just to go out because of the pop-up lights

Not the most reliable or whatever, but absolutely charming to say the least. If can turn it into a sleeper... All the uncles flock to me sia lol.gif
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 09:54 AM)
So I bought a 1991 1.6 Mazda Astina 323F (the one with pop-up headlights) and I'm thinking of doing a swap maybe one year down the road after getting all the vital stuff sorted out.

I'm looking at the B6T, but I have a few concerns.

1. Would it fit?
2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
4. Is it even worth it?

Also, open topic for the Astina in general. Love the look and overall design of the car!
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like the other poster mentioned... home work should have been done before you invested in it....

1. Would it fit?
-anything can be made to fit.. even a b18c

2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
-no its electronic (iirc the turbo models were electronic.... carb engines with turbos? not a great idea if you ask me... abit complicated/difficult do deal with i guess....)
-oh ya a point.... dont ever bother converting a carb to efi... unless everything is readily available OR you just have lots of time and money to spend

3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
-should be no issue.... just mountings might be in question.(if the b6d has the same mounts, should be safe... you can ask jpj... they will get back to you by dis/approving it)

4. Is it even worth it?
-no idea... how much is a b6... anyway... money could have been spent on a dif build if you ask me....
-KF-ZE seems to be a great choice if maintanance is not really an issue
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:07 AM)
You can't imagine! After I got the car, started a lot of nostalgia-induced conversations with the elder generation.
My uncle's first car was a Lantis, absolutely loved it.
Was my father's dream car when he was younger (much younger)
One of my client's sister's first car and he would pinjam just to go out because of the pop-up lights

Not the most reliable or whatever, but absolutely charming to say the least. If can turn it into a sleeper... All the uncles flock to me sia  lol.gif
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hmmm.... just a thought... why not a 3rd gen prelude with a h22 swap? i really like those things... sleek, sporty and some even have 4ws... cool2.gif

*edit* just realized you have already bought thecar laugh.gif

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TSPolitricks
post Feb 14 2017, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 10:07 AM)
like the other poster mentioned... home work should have been done before you invested in it....

1. Would it fit?
-anything can be made to fit.. even a b18c

2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
-no its electronic (iirc the turbo models were electronic.... carb engines with turbos? not a great idea if you ask me... abit complicated/difficult do deal with i guess....)
-oh ya a point.... dont ever bother converting a carb to efi... unless everything is readily available OR you just have lots of time and money to spend

3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
-should be no issue.... just mountings might be in question.(if the b6d has the same mounts, should be safe... you can ask jpj... they will get back to you by dis/approving it)

4. Is it even worth it?
-no idea... how much is a b6... anyway... money could have been spent on a dif build if you ask me....
-KF-ZE seems to be a great choice if maintanance is not really an issue
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Thanks for the constructive feedback! Anyways not really something I'd do like next week, still open for suggestions.
What makes you say KF-ZE if maintenance not an issue?

BTW, not running on parents money don't worry. All the upgrades/restoration I tank the damage thumbup.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:02 AM)
too late for that now  icon_idea.gif
I understand, some people tell me the same thing like get a local car for better reliability yadda yadda heard it all before, the thing is I make poor financial choices to fulfill myself, and driving/repairing/restoring the Astina feels good so... No offense, but I'm looking for advice on the current rather than what should-have-been.
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that is true, beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, i guess you have answered it yourself for question number 4....

4. Is it even worth it?
A: "driving/repairing/restoring the Astina feels good", i myself also drive a fairly old 17 years car.... not many understand why, but you don't have to explain yourself as it's YOUR ride
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:13 AM

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is this what you're looking for?

http://www.mudah.my/JDM+Halfcut+Mazda+Fami...5527.htm?last=1
TSPolitricks
post Feb 14 2017, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 10:09 AM)
hmmm.... just a thought... why not a 3rd gen prelude with a h22 swap? i really like those things... sleek, sporty and some even have 4ws... cool2.gif

*edit* just realized you have already bought thecar  laugh.gif
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Ah the Prelude...
3 months ago I've been browsing Mudah like a mad man.
First I wanted an AE92, over budget and plus restoration? I eat zapfan for every meal man.
Prelude also I watched closely. Maintenance too high according to some Honda kakis.
After a while of scrolling mindlessly, suddenly I saw 323 for the first time.

Love at first sight I tell ya, though its 27 y/o this year whistling.gif
Irresponsibe? Yes.
Fulfilling? Hell yes.
Money well spent? Maybe not brows.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(kayz1e @ Feb 14 2017, 10:13 AM)
Haha too slow bro, I already "heart" it in the app thumbup.gif
I hope don't get sold lah, now preparing for the big bill in April sia. Have to jimat2 for one year then can buy.
It's the one and only on Mudah some more, takut lah
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:16 AM

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I surprised people still willing to get cheated doing these

Most just get a new car that perform equally well and no hassle , throw a stone and anry csr will do 200 on the highway , in comfort and quietness
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Feb 14 2017, 10:07 AM)
i prefer lantis 323F .. walaaa.. childhood time ..

anyway, you can always research any alternative engine/part option you may choose ..

i heard people say mazda and ford some are sharing same part (during that era la.. )

anyway, happy modding  thumbsup.gif
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Yup, on the JPJ TnC webpage (forgot where it went) Ford and Mazda is considered same same.
Though on Wikipedia, almost none of Ford's engine suitable for 323, newer Mazdas maybe can swap but not for mine.
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 10:16 AM)
I surprised people still willing to get cheated doing these

Most just get a new car that perform equally well and no hassle , throw a stone and anry csr will do 200 on the highway , in comfort and quietness
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someone like to baked the cake themself and someone like to buy cake outside ..

both not get cheated..
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:18 AM)
Yup, on the JPJ TnC webpage (forgot where it went) Ford and Mazda is considered same same.
Though on Wikipedia, almost none of Ford's engine suitable for 323, newer Mazdas maybe can swap but not for mine.
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why not you take picture and start journal of your build .. i think would be fun when u look back what you have done! thumbup.gif
TSPolitricks
post Feb 14 2017, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 10:16 AM)
I surprised people still willing to get cheated doing these

Most just get a new car that perform equally well and no hassle , throw a stone and anry csr will do 200 on the highway , in comfort and quietness
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Cheated as in buying secondhand car and tuning/modding/restoring?
Maybe just personal perspective but here is my very very rough plan:
Car (4k) + Important repairs (8k) + Aesthetics (in and outside, around 3-4k) [also sponsored by lou dao]

As opposed to the Preve I wanted, the moment I buy the car, 10k off market value.

Long run... If can take care I believe secondhand car much more eco, value already kosong biggrin.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Feb 14 2017, 10:20 AM)
why not you take picture and start journal of your build .. i think would be fun when u look back what you have done!  thumbup.gif
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"Project ASTINA" is almost complete, "Project ASTINA : Phase 2" going into motion soon rclxms.gif
Got myself a gray TE37 recently,

"JDM af"
-Honda kaki laugh.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:13 AM)
Ah the Prelude...
3 months ago I've been browsing Mudah like a mad man.
First I wanted an AE92, over budget and plus restoration? I eat zapfan for every meal man.
Prelude also I watched closely. Maintenance too high according to some Honda kakis.
After a while of scrolling mindlessly, suddenly I saw 323 for the first time.

Love at first sight I tell ya, though its 27 y/o this year  whistling.gif
Irresponsibe? Yes.
Fulfilling? Hell yes.
Money well spent? Maybe not  brows.gif
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oh god older than my car..... hi5 we should create an old car club!!

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