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post Feb 11 2017, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 11 2017, 07:01 PM)
I know i know mmg in this case i admit the vios is totally at fault here, im just suggesting that if I put myself in the shoe of the motorcyclist and see the vios from far already putting on his signal, I would slow down and kasi the vios masuk eventhough I have the right of way, rather than having to deal with all this mess
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Come on la. This is not the boy96 we used to know.

The vios driver can come down wave flag or buat kenduri or block the road. If it's the motorcyclist's right of way, it's his right of way. Fact can't change shit.


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post Feb 11 2017, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(monara @ Feb 11 2017, 08:47 PM)
After several times replaying the collision, doesnt look that motor went too fast. How come still can blame motor for speeding, we dont even know the speed limit there right. Its like saying its ok to cruise 110kmph at overtaking lane then.
Perhaps it look fast due to the cars lane were slow, with all looking for parking, whereas the motor path is clear upfront.
Hope all are ok, especially the kid, sampai tercampak tu. The driver nampak macam budak baru dpt lesen je, not surprised with the noobness. Even her mother look more calm after the incident, he look blur.
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The motor doesn't even look like breaking at all, like it's my right of way so I don't want to step on the break.

The crash is preventable but imagine if this results in death. I know vios is wrong. However motorcyclist cannot travel too fast and take such risk. He should have step on the break from afar and horn like crazy.

Right of the way & assumption that the other driver will give way to you, can kill.

This post has been edited by fu'house: Feb 11 2017, 09:54 PM
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post Feb 11 2017, 09:58 PM

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Salah Vios for not having the right of way, but salah motor for assault. Make two police report, kasi itu motorcyclist masuk jail for assaulting.
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post Feb 11 2017, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(fu'house @ Feb 11 2017, 09:53 PM)
The motor doesn't even look like breaking at all, like it's my right of way so I don't want to step on the break.

The crash is preventable but imagine if this results in death. I know vios is wrong. However motorcyclist cannot travel too fast and take such risk. He should have step on the break from afar and horn like crazy.

Right of the way & assumption that the other driver will give way to you, can kill.
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post Feb 11 2017, 10:09 PM

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strange, its a straight road
motor shld able to see car headlight + signal farfaraway
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post Feb 11 2017, 10:15 PM

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car fault, road clear or not u enter at wrong curve. should be at the end of other car end and be fast n road must be clear.

main road , u wait la , want to kill somebody?
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post Feb 11 2017, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(haziqk10 @ Feb 11 2017, 08:08 PM)
I bet you always resolve problem with physical then. You are sick dude. Pity your wife/kid.
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Simple, follow traffic rules, then everyone's safe.

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post Feb 11 2017, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(fu'house @ Feb 11 2017, 09:53 PM)
The motor doesn't even look like breaking at all, like it's my right of way so I don't want to step on the break.

The crash is preventable but imagine if this results in death. I know vios is wrong. However motorcyclist cannot travel too fast and take such risk. He should have step on the break from afar and horn like crazy.

Right of the way & assumption that the other driver will give way to you, can kill.
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Do you know emergency braking on a motorcycle are super scary. No matter what, the rear tyre will slide out.

Motorcycle cannot stop faster than a car.
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post Feb 11 2017, 10:24 PM

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well 7 years ininsurmace industry...

if motorcyclist injured dont bother whos al fault.. masuk court car will in default at fault.. coz 1% car negligence, judge will blame u.


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post Feb 11 2017, 11:45 PM

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lol after seeing a lot of comments here this is enough proof to me that the roads here are no longer safe and I am going to get a dash cam asap. Don't know where so many people learn that giving signal = make way for me???
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QUOTE(Smoochy poohh @ Feb 11 2017, 10:23 PM)
Do you know emergency braking on a motorcycle are super scary. No matter what, the rear tyre will slide out.

Motorcycle cannot stop faster than a car.
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Do you know about defensive riding? As a rider myself I've seen alot of stupid motorbike that like to act tough, which usually end up in grave.
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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Feb 11 2017, 11:45 PM)
lol after seeing a lot of comments here this is enough proof to me that the roads here are no longer safe and I am going to get a dash cam asap. Don't know where so many people learn that giving signal = make way for me???
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Ktard learned from mr ong. whistling.gif
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post Feb 12 2017, 12:12 AM

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what vios salah?
he signal and wait long make sure no car..
he jalan la..
tht motor salah la..ride so fast and hit driver lagi..
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QUOTE(Bombgen @ Feb 11 2017, 11:56 PM)
Do you know about defensive riding? As a rider myself I've seen alot of stupid motorbike that like to act tough, which usually end up in grave.
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I also practice defensive riding and driving, if there's a junction my finger and foot will be ready at the brake, too many idiots on the road.

Rider in that video should've slowed down a bit.
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post Feb 12 2017, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(monara @ Feb 11 2017, 08:47 PM)
After several times replaying the collision, doesnt look that motor went too fast. How come still can blame motor for speeding, we dont even know the speed limit there right. Its like saying its ok to cruise 110kmph at overtaking lane then.
Perhaps it look fast due to the cars lane were slow....
Yup. I mentioned earlier that the time gap between the vios making the turn and the collision is short. The bike must be already very near to that spot when the vios went into its path. Even if the biker was going at safe speed, I don't think the biker even had time to react.

But then... Not to say that the biker was wrong also, but he should have anticipated that vios to cross and play safe by Horning or at least slow down to prepare for the worse. Defensive driving.

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post Feb 12 2017, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(fu'house @ Feb 11 2017, 09:53 PM)
The motor doesn't even look like breaking at all, like it's my right of way so I don't want to step on the break.

No.. It is not that the biker didn't bother to brake as you described. He didn't have time to react... Even if he emergency braked, the wheels would had got locked up and will not slow down. Didn't have time to react because the distance is already very close when the vios made the turn. Look at the video again.
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QUOTE(djhenry91 @ Feb 12 2017, 12:12 AM)
what vios salah?
he signal and wait long make sure no car..
he jalan la..
tht motor salah la..ride so fast and hit driver lagi..
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According to law, every vehicle should stop first before proceed to turn into a junction even though there's no oncoming traffic.

Every junction, stop first before proceed.
Not so many Malaysian practice this including myself, because I scared other car will rear end me.

P/S : you should retake your license, the motorcycle have a right of way.

This post has been edited by Smoochy poohh: Feb 12 2017, 12:29 AM
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post Feb 12 2017, 12:32 AM

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looks like motor fault. The guy signal already and slowly make the turn. The motor can the speed very fast. So can say conclusion padan muka.
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post Feb 12 2017, 12:34 AM

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Lots of people defending the Vios here. Even some of those who do admit that Vios is to blame, still like to talk as if motorcyclist still in the wrong.

Woi lancau, bagi signal bukan makna hangpa ada hak belok. Ni sama saja untuk apa jenis kenderaan. Kalau motor buat macam si Vios tu tapi kena langgar kereta di depan, masuk mahkamah, motor yang salah la.

Bagi signal cuma UNTUK MEMBERITAHU NIAT NAK BELOK, BUKAN UNTUK DAPAT HAK MEMBELOK. Nak belok kena pandang kiri kanan dulu. BILA JALAN DAH CLEAR BARU BELOK. Masing masing dah besaq panjang. Tau mana yang betul, mana yang salah.

Tapi ni la Malaysia. Kita heran kenapa kita ditadbir oleh orang orang yang macam kita dapat sekarang, tapi kita kerap lupa yang ramai orang di antara kita sendiri pun perangai mengalahkan syaitan laknatullah.
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post Feb 12 2017, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(fu'house @ Feb 11 2017, 09:53 PM)
The motor doesn't even look like breaking at all, like it's my right of way so I don't want to step on the break.

The crash is preventable but imagine if this results in death. I know vios is wrong. However motorcyclist cannot travel too fast and take such risk. He should have step on the break from afar and horn like crazy.

Right of the way & assumption that the other driver will give way to you, can kill.
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the motor did brake but that like 2 seconds from impact. Where the location of this location if its straight road the motor should be able to see a car turning

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