Signal already doesn't mean you can just turn despite seeing the bike is coming. Seeing that the biker is coming fast, why still want to turn?
Even if the biker braked, I don't think he will be able to stop in time.

Biker going straight, so he has the right of way.

Not to say that the biker wasn't in fault, it looked like he was going pretty fast.
But again, biker has the right of way and the car should let him pass first before turning.



This post has been edited by skyblu3: Feb 11 2017, 05:59 PM

Agree

I doubt that Vios driver even looked before turning. he must be busy looking at the direction he was turning in to.

You got driving license?

How come you do not know that road users going straight has the right of way?

Please explain.

So next time at a junction, you are going straight...suddenly one car from the opposite direction make a turn into your path and you bang him
So it's your fault?

From the video, it looked like the biker was going fast, but not to the point of speeding. he should had ride slower at small roads like this.

But the issue now is that by the time the biker reacted and started to emergency brake, too late. The vios driver didn't even slow down or stop before turning in, he just put on the blinker and carry on going across.

Again, yes...the biker should had ride slower.

It's not whether the car is half way or not.
The fact is that the car just crossed without stopping. The biker was going straight and this vios suddenly just cross.
How to react. From the time the vios crossed to the biker bang the car, can tell that the bike was already very close. How to slow down, no need to even talk about emergency brake.

Biker going fast on small road is another story.

Yup. I mentioned earlier that the time gap between the vios making the turn and the collision is short. The bike must be already very near to that spot when the vios went into its path. Even if the biker was going at safe speed, I don't think the biker even had time to react.

But then... Not to say that the biker was wrong also, but he should have anticipated that vios to cross and play safe by Horning or at least slow down to prepare for the worse. Defensive driving.

This post has been edited by skyblu3: Feb 12 2017, 12:29 AM

No.. It is not that the biker didn't bother to brake as you described. He didn't have time to react... Even if he emergency braked, the wheels would had got locked up and will not slow down. Didn't have time to react because the distance is already very close when the vios made the turn. Look at the video again.

So next time when I'm driving and want to cross to the other side , I put on my signal, see another car coming straight on that road...I will just cross no matter what speed the other car is doing and expect and assume the other car will brake for me.

Correct?


" the vios has given signal for quite some time already and is moving in at a relatively slow and acceptable pace"
This is another problem here.
Assuming that the biker was going fast.
Vios driver is able to judge the speed of that bike (i'm just assuming that driver's judgement is good).
Why still want to cross ? And cross slowly some more? If already crossing halfway and could see the biker is coming fast, why still want to cross slowly and block the biker's path?
Putting on the signal light doesn't gives you the right of way, it is just an indicator to tell your intention to make a turn.

This post has been edited by skyblu3: Feb 12 2017, 01:53 AM

I agree with your second statement...ride / drive at safe speed.

However, for this case, I doubt the biker had enough time to react and to brake even if he was going slow.

The vios did put on the indicator, but no one would expect him to continue making the turn when the bike is already so close. In fact, the vios didn't even slow down or stop before turning in...he just carried on going into the biker's path without stopping.

When I ride, I am always aware of these drivers and bikers, who make suddenly turn or switch lane without looking. I am always on 100% defensive mode when I ride, so I will use my horn very often. If i sense or anticipate that this road user will make a sudden reckless move, I will just horn to warn him.
But if bikers use the horn often (thanks to drivers such as this Vios driver), other people will say that I'm kurang ajar. So how?