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Ramjade
post Jun 20 2017, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(mattalex @ Jun 20 2017, 05:21 AM)
I was having a look at Manu Investment AP Reit fund and noticed the Risk Rating is 10 (highest). This seems counter intuitive to me, as Reits are normally quite safe funds with good dividends. Any insight as to the reason for the high risk rating for this fund?
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Don't look at Fsm risk. Look at fund 3 years volatility. Better standard internationally.
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post Jun 20 2017, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jun 20 2017, 02:02 PM)
Dear Sifus,

I wonder how long will you all keep these funds in hand? After retired? 70 years old? 80?

These funds only look good on paper until we really sell it one day....

Please advise.
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Keep an emergency fund. Only draw money from the emergency fund when you need it. Once draw replenish it by topping up.

Leave your investment alone but moniter by compering with it's peers. Funds come and go. For all you know the fund manager may retire/move to another fund house.

It depends on when you sell. If you sell during bear market, it's bad luck. One way you can prevent it is by keeping the profit you have made in bond funds.
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post Jun 20 2017, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Jun 20 2017, 04:05 PM)
no charge for selling/ buying ?
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Equitiy fund 1.75% service charge upon buying (one time upon buying)
Bond fund 0.05% every quarter (no service chargerecurring). Some bond funds have exit fees if you don't hold 1 year (need to see the fund)

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Equitiy fund 2% service charge upon buying (one time upon buying)
Bond Fund 1% service charge upon buying ((one time upon buying). No platform fees.
0% service charge when there's promo if you can buy one shot RM5k.
Ramjade
post Jun 20 2017, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(tchau83 @ Jun 20 2017, 08:16 PM)
Moving ASx fixed price funds to Esther bond might not be a good idea. ASx correlation to equities is near zero, while Esther bond to say, kgf, is 0.24 (post 5196 page 260). You might want to ask Xuzen to run algozen with ASx and see..

Some thoughts on the bonds recommended by algozen - they seemed somewhat risky. In the literature of standard 60/40 or 70/30 stock/bond portfolios, backtesting is usually done with S&P500 / 10 year treasuries. US treasuries and other high grade government debt are much safer and have negative correlation with stocks. In comparison, Esther bond is mostly emerging market corporate bonds. From the fund factsheet, 20+% of Esther bond are junk bonds (below BBB), assuming that 'Others' are grades lower than B.

RHB EMB seems a bit dodgy to me; I can't find any mention of the credit ratings of its holdings anywhere, and in %country allocation, 'others' has an allocation of 60%! What gives?! Better hope its not full of junk.
Anyway, its correlation to local stocks is surprisingly negative. Just a wild guess - when foreign funds pulled out of bursa en masse a few years ago, myr was severely devalued. This decreases the NAV of local stocks, while increasing the NAV of foreign bonds (RHB EMB) in ringgit terms. The RHB EMB might not be hedged to myr (can't find any mention) while Esther bond is. Hence Esther bond behaves more like EM/corporate bond - low positive correlation to stocks.
I doubt both bonds would fare well when the next economic crisis comes.

In 2015 and 2016, myr depreciated nearly 30% against USD, which affects the relative performance of local vs international stocks/bonds. This is probably a one off event (hopefully!), so it might not be prudent to base portfolios primarily off this time period. Algozen is based on past 3 years data, right?
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Excuse me? ASx invest fully in bursa saham. Where did you get the info it have nearly correlation with equities. Why do you think ASx returns have been diminishing over time? It's because bursa saham have been in bad shape for almost 3 years.
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post Jun 21 2017, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Jun 21 2017, 01:18 PM)
one question - are these funds liquid?  If a person decides to sell it at certain NAV, does he always get the NAV the wants, or he has to queue like in stock market for the match of seller-buyer?
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You can never know the NAV that you wished to sell as all unit Trust practice forward pricing. Which means what you see today is 1-2days old of NAV price.

However Affin hwang select bond fund is extremely stable. I have no problem with putting in lump sum/withdrawing what I need.

Other UT, you need to predict when to sell (if you really want to sell)
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post Jun 21 2017, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 21 2017, 07:26 PM)
Care to share your average return for the ASX ?
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Well insider info mentioned that amanah saham's return won't drop below 6% whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Jun 22 2017, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(wonghs @ Jun 22 2017, 12:09 PM)
Does FSM have promotion of 0% sales charge?? if got i will wait smile.gif
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Don't wait for promo to buy/ If you really want to wait for promo to buy, go buy SG unit trust from Phillip SG. No service charge, no platform fees, no switching fees. You can take own sweet time to buy when you like tongue.gif

PS I have an account with Phillip SG

QUOTE(cloudre01 @ Jun 22 2017, 12:14 PM)
Manulife India

Oh woops paiseh didnt realise they're closed  sweat.gif

How about going into the below instead?

Manulife- 15%
amriets - 15%
affin select bond - 40%
TA GTF - 30%
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Cross out amasia. Useless fund bangwall.gif You will cry when you see this fund. Trust me. If don't want to trust me, buy both and then you decide biggrin.gif
Pick manulife AP reits instead. Ini I kasi thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif
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post Jun 22 2017, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jun 22 2017, 05:14 PM)
i agree.. i bought both at same time. same day.

amasia - 1.79% return
manulife ap - 4.53%... in my portfolio to date.

dun bother with AMASIA.
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We can sell off Manulife AP reits as
1) we invest in s-reits ourself
2) as unit trust investor, we kena 15% with holding fees by SG govt vs if we went alone (which means if were to to build the exact holdings in Manulife on our own), we will get higher returns (we are tax free while a fund is not)

QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 22 2017, 05:24 PM)
This is the most funny thing I observed. I mentioned it before.

If you think AM reits is bad, and so convinced about it, just sell it off. People here keep saying it is bad, yet still keeping it. Then you are not leadership by example.  blink.gif
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Very soon my good fellow! biggrin.gif

QUOTE(T231H @ Jun 22 2017, 11:00 AM)
hmm.gif can you predict too, when the GE will be?
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This year or next year. Cannot run away. tongue.gif

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post Jun 22 2017, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(Nom-el @ Jun 22 2017, 06:52 PM)
Not all funds practice forward pricing, though most of them do. RHB Cash Management 2 for e.g. uses historical pricing.

Just a word of caution on Affin Hwang Select Bond. The fund is relatively stable compared to its peers but it is still subject to volatility. It's still possible to make a loss if buy at high price & sell later when the price drops. It is subject to both interest rate risk & forex risk. 
How can the risk be the same between a fixed price fund and a variable price fund? For ASx, one buys & sell at RM1, hence at most losing all the returns. For other funds, the return can be negative, depending on market condition. Worst case scenario, losing everything (although it's very difficult for this to happen in reality for a good & well diversified fund).
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What I meant is for equities and bond funds. I have never seen any funds (equities and bond funds) which does not use forward pricing.

Only loss = opportunity loss.
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post Jun 22 2017, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(Nom-el @ Jun 22 2017, 07:46 PM)
What do you mean by "Only loss = opportunity loss"? Are you referring to bond funds? If that is the case, capital loss is also possible.
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Investing in ASx funds vs KGF. KGF performs better than ASx (most of the time unless malaysian stock market is bad). Since they both invest in the same sector (KLSE), one give you min 6% while the others give say ~10-15% per year, that's opportunity cost at an expense of capital loss.
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post Jun 27 2017, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(pigscanfly @ Jun 26 2017, 09:56 PM)
Thank you for your input sifus. I think I will consider managed portfolio for the time being, as I have little knowledge in asset allocation, product selection, and periodic rebalancing. Maybe once I have more knowledge and confidence, I can manage portfolios by my self.
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Before this managed portfolio, we all manage on our own. If we can do it, so can you. rclxms.gif It's not that hard. By opting for FSM managed portfolio, you are giving free money to FSM every year. FSM thanks you rclxm9.gif notworthy.gif
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post Jun 27 2017, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Jun 27 2017, 12:13 AM)
not free money. u r paying for their service. at least much lower than PM officers who does nothing but sucking your 5%
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All banks/agent also charge you 5% what not only public mutual.

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post Jun 28 2017, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(leong321 @ Jun 28 2017, 04:12 PM)
anyone know why anista bond has such drop at nov 2016, is it unit split or ?, i thought it is very stable  confused.gif
currently eyeing this fund and affin hwang select bond
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Trump effect dry.gif Whole world not spared. Trump make small talk say want to increase US economy > nervous speculators take it as US interest rate will increase drastically > Sell off all bond and reits and everything not related to US.
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post Jun 29 2017, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(n3utronic @ Jun 29 2017, 08:45 PM)
But at some point lower price NAV gives better growth opportunity (price increase) compared to already soaring high price? Any Sifus can shed some light ?
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Not necessarily. It's true if the fund doesn't manipulate the NAV in any way (no distribution, no unit split). Also if you know, there are funds with NAV of xxx.xxxx which perform better than fund with NAV of x.xxxx. So NAV is not the final say.
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post Jul 4 2017, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 4 2017, 12:42 PM)
Good sister,

On the contrary, a lot of our beloved Unit Trust Fund are managed by female fund managers. We are not gender bias, we are gender blind. All we care are her figures  wub.gif

Xuzen
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That sounded so wrong whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Jul 4 2017, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(Darkripper @ Jul 4 2017, 09:18 PM)
I've read through the FAQ before, but still don't get it really. Because the last time i use CMF to buy, it took like nearly a week before they price my purchase.
I assume my interpretation is correct no?
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It will take about one week to appear but you will get the day's price (the day you purchase) if you use CMF/FPX so it's same only la.
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post Jul 6 2017, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Jul 6 2017, 10:06 AM)
Hi all,
Do you think the security for FSM is a little lax when selling fund and transferring to bank accounts? Why isn't there any TAC for confirmation.
I think most ppl here have ten or hundreds of thousands in the account, but from the way i see it, everything can be done if your password is compromised
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Money can only go back to your bank account. It cannot be transferred to other people bank account.
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post Jul 6 2017, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jul 6 2017, 11:15 AM)
While what the rest have said is valid, the risk on FSM is not quite the same as the risk on online banking; FSM SG does have 2 step verification. So I guess it'll just be a matter of time before that's introduced in FSM MY

Question - Does e-unit trust and Public Mutual online has 2 step verification? That's apple to apple comparison
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I message FSM regarding their 2 factor security few months back, seems like they are contend with what they have now.

QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 6 2017, 11:17 AM)
hmm.gif funds with 0.8%SC in the recommended fund list other than the "All star" funds that has always been recommended here .?......
try islamic funds and some of those in the recommended fund list but under supplementary portfolio segment like.....
Asia Ex-Japan Equity - Islamic
Malaysia Equity - Islamic
Singapore - Single Country Equity
Global Resources - Sector Equity

these are some of the funds that are seldom mentioned here....
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That SG fund is a good fund as it managed to beat the STI (there' are 2 ETF which mirror the STI if I am not wrong) consistently (after incluidng in management fees). So those SGrean bloggers who invest in STI ETF are actually "losing money" vs if they pick this fund.

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QUOTE(Drian @ Jul 6 2017, 04:08 PM)
Global Resources - Sector Equity
The fund looks quite beaten down.
Anyone thinks that oil can make a comeback should buy this.
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Oil is gone case since US hit jackpot by finding shale oil in their own backyard. Shale is the main problem why OPEC is not effective anymore.
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post Jul 7 2017, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(HappyGuy @ Jul 7 2017, 04:59 PM)
Thanks. But I still unable to find answer for question #2. Please enlighten me.
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You can't see when they charged the annual fees as it's already calculated into the NAV. You can only see how much is the annual fees (in %). SO if your return is say 10% with annual fees of 1.5%, your actual return is 11.5%.

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