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post Apr 18 2017, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 01:01 AM)
Some people here pay over RM200 for platform fees (posted here before as that person have over RM100k in Affin Select Bond Fund). If your holdings is small, maybe not worth it. If like that guy at over RM100k, then worth it. RM200/year = RM1k in 5 years.

Many people don't realise that small wasteful stuff such as yearly platform fees will reduce total returns over the years. Whether you buy or not, you are force to pay platform fees. A dollar save = a dollar gain for investment.

For me it's more of principle. If someone can give you the same stuff at a better price, why bother about the other person who is trying to jack up the price? Yes price is small. Eg why buy not buy from banks than buy from FSM. Banks charge you 5.5% what. FSM only 1.75%. Let the bank earn your money. They will be happy to serve you better. But money is still money. All is fair in love and war. For me, money first, banking relationship/brand loyalty last.

If people tell you that cost does not matter, take a look at this article.
https://personal.vanguard.com/us/insights/i...ruth-about-cost

Please don't talk about platform fees antmore. People here very sensitive towards platform fees you know. People here love paying their platform fees. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 18 2017, 08:58 AM)
Depending on what you mean by don't do it in front of our children.

I remember a while ago another poster said I should not be talking about eUT in this thread. My view is simple. This is a not a thread which is sponsored by FSM. We are using lowyat.NET resources, and it is intended to be a public forum. FSM also has never come forward to claim ownership of this thread. And the contributors are also not labeled as from FSM.

If this thread is hosted in FSM website, then of course I will not talk about eUT but the scenario here is totally different.
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Here we go again....

All I ask is for those who use eUT platform to start a eUT thread so that the dedicated discussion can take place there.
But no, I've been repetitively ignored. I supposed their users are not only stingy in $$$, but also stingy in effort.... Take and never give shakehead.gif

Of course I'm not going to go complain to the mods, because this only reflect badly on you, not me
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post Apr 18 2017, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(gsan @ Apr 17 2017, 08:34 PM)
Is there any other fund got same function as Public Dividend Select Fund but performance much better? I want to show to my agent that this fund he recommended me to use EPF invest for 3 and half years is a sampah fund, profit only 0.63% as of today.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 17 2017, 09:49 PM)
from the funds Benchmark.....AHSDF has can allocates 30% in Asia X Jpn while PDSF don't hv.
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Time for some technical support instead

So, I filtered some of the Malaysia equity income or dividend funds based on names (could be wrong as I didn't check each fund diligently), and true enough, PDSF came out last
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Hope this is a good enough chart for you to throw back to your agent as proof of why Pub Mut sucks

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 17 2017, 11:30 PM)
Already have it. Never have a bond in my portfolio until I took a look at united. That time was tempted between Affin Hwang Select Bond/RHB ATRF/RHB EM. Cannot decide as those 2 RHB bonds are usually dependant on USD/MYR. The volatility of those 2 funds my goodness  blink.gif

Then did a few digging back into FSM SG thread and saw this united fund being recommend. Decide to research it by comparing between
United Asian HY Bond
United Asian Bond (mother fund of RHB ATRF)
United Emerging Markets Bond Fund (mother fund of RHB EM)

Where can you find bond fund which give you annualised 3 years return of 13.16% at volatility 5.95. It's closest competitor was United Asian Bond at 7.38 % and volatility of 5.62. When you compare it in terms of 1 year, 2 years, 3 years United Asian HY Bond beats United Asian Bond hands down.

Keep in mind that the same fund may perform better over Malaysia side vs SG side.
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The volatility and returns that you are comparing is not apple to apple; volatility is in SGD terms while returns is in MYR terms

The 1 year returns on the SGD fund is 14.02% while the MYR returns is 23.19%. So it's safe to assume that the additional returns is from forex; SGD strengthening against MYR, therefore, volatility for the MYR class is also higher

You would observe similar outcome on United asian bond vs RHB ATR as well
United asian bond
3 years return annualised: 7.38%
3 years annualised volatility: 6.04

RHB ATR
3 years return annualised: 13.75%
3 years annualised volatility: 8.99

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post Apr 18 2017, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 18 2017, 09:27 AM)
Here we go again....

All I ask is for those who use eUT platform to start a eUT thread so that the dedicated discussion can take place there.
But no, I've been repetitively ignored. I supposed their users are not only stingy in $$$, but also stingy in effort.... Take and never give  shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 09:30 AM)

Just discuss here. It's still UT. Just different platform only what. Who want to buy from eUT,  let them buy lo. Who wants to buy from FSM buy from FSM. No one is holding a gun to yohr head saying must buy from only FSM/eUT.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Apr 18 2017, 09:45 AM)
just freaking open the eUT thread already and go over there. it is geting irritating talking about silly service charges when it is repeated multiple times every month. mind you it's talking about platforms not UT in general so don't give me the bs about it under the same topic

even in stock exchange the traders opened their own thread after there was an argument between investing vs trading. like wise do it if you have the balls to. other than that keep to the topic which is fundsupermart
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 18 2017, 09:32 AM)
No, it reflects on your one-tracked mind and intention to stear or channel public resources for you own preference.  devil.gif
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Case in point.... I try not to repeat this, it's getting lame

Anyway, you are right about me steering discussion towards what I believe in... and I believe I do have some results to show in my short tenure here cool2.gif

You are welcome to do so too; start by opening a eUT thread and help them steal FSM MY customers, I sure like to see you win devil.gif
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post Apr 18 2017, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 18 2017, 07:40 AM)
just remember this saying / advise when I read business management articles many decades ago.... which I think is applicable to UT too (to be on topic  biggrin.gif )

If one can gives me chicken, I should not be hesitates / grumbling in giving him drumsticks....
(in business sense) If a staff can perform or provided a satisfied environment, I don't mind paying him more.
(why I don't mind...bcos i got more compared to him)

(in UT sense) If the entities can provides me with a satisfied investment environment (which includes: service, knowledge, responses to queries, well maintained platform, sense of securities, etc, etc) for my investment needs....I should not be hesitate / grumbling in giving that entities what they wanted.
(why I don't mind....bcos i got more compared to them)

in short...maybe not directly relevant..."If you pay peanuts....you may get monkeys"

Kind of not morally corrects (but some people think they are smarter by doing it)....
(some of you noticed that to or are doing that too)...it happened, are happening and will continue to happens..
The Tesco has carpark,...some people use that carpark to park their car BUT did not shop there...they just go next door to shop/eat.....
Do you think they are morally right?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 18 2017, 09:23 AM)
yes...that is true to some people...the reverse is also true to some people....just like buying pirated dvd....

When you are calculative in numerical value....and are fixated in minimizing the numeric value.....there is a limits to where you can go.....but if you focused on %....the results would be much better....
When you are able to spend the numeric value that does not affect the budgetted % if expenses.....you will know.
There are people who can hv a nite out that costed more than a year of parking charges......while to others it us their child's food for a month.
I once had an accontant taking over a company while the boss is on leave.....she is too fixated in controlling cost....reduce tis, cut down on that, etc.....she forfet abt the % of effect that can improves....
Sales was affected bcos no beers during entertaiment nites out wuth customers....
Guess she did no know abt "if someone gives you chicken, don't hesitates to offer him drumsticks"
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Wise words uncle Looi. It does take some life experience and maturity to be able to appreciate that sometimes losing is winning

How much is time worth to someone is also relative; most of the time depends on how abundant time/money is to that person
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post May 5 2017, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ May 4 2017, 11:31 PM)
I will recommend anyone who is holding Affin Hwang Quantum Fund to dispose of it tomorrow. It holds a substantial number of shares in IWCity. Watch as the stock hits limit down for three days in a row. Be warned!
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Finally an interesting enough discussion that makes me want to participate in.
Thanks for the kind advice although ppl here were not exactly nice with you. But don't you think it's a bit too late now?

Anyway, since you highlighted that, I also went to take a look la. As at 31/3/17, Quantum holds 0.5% shares of IWC; Great Eastern holds even more
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/5413405

As at 28/2/17, IWC shares represents 1% of quantum's NAV. Well... worst case scenario if the entire stock flopped, Quantum would go down by 1%?
Is that a good enough reason to dispose it immediately? Especially if you already suffered part of that 1% loss in the past 3 days

Actually a bigger impact is on KGF; KGF has 2.9% of its NAV invested in Ekovest and the stock fell from 1.4 to 1.2; but the NAV is standing at 1.1688 which is the same as last friday... not that bad also right?

QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 5 2017, 12:13 AM)
get out from the thread. you are not welcome here with your stupid predictions
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Be nice. In a open forum you can only tell people off for their wrong facts. I don't necessarily like everyone who participates here too. But the only way to confront them is with better facts and arguments
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post May 5 2017, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 5 2017, 11:36 AM)
I have a question.

I am trying to plot Fund Allocation into excel by country for AH Select Bond fund. From the factsheet i only see the currency exposure portion is sorted by country.

Is the "before hedging" % the correct value to use?

Separately what does it mean for the "After hedging"?
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I'd go for before hedging because that reflects the original currency the bonds are denominated in which in a way reflect the country allocation. The fund use hedging instruments to reduce the volatility of the fund, that's how they achieve such a low volatility despite being an asian bond fund
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post May 8 2017, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 5 2017, 04:47 PM)
Some of the "before hedging" is in USD currency. But I cant really put it in US country column because obviously the fund only invest in Asia Pac

What is your opinion on this?
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Well, the challenge is a lot of the corporate bonds that the fund hold might resides in China, HK or other parts of Asia, but are denominated in USD to encourage subscription by foreign investors. Unlike equities, the country allocation may not be immediately visible

Even the financial statements don't list the bonds by country but instead by currency risk and credit risk, so perhaps country allocation is not as important as currency denomination

On an unrelated note, there were some detailed discussion about how the iFast nominee subsidiary works and how iFast segregate client's assets from their own that the FSM rep wrote on Cari Chinese Forum. Pretty informative and rather reassuring although of course things can always go wrong if people decides to go on the dark side
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QUOTE(funnyface @ May 8 2017, 10:31 AM)
Mind to share the link?  hmm.gif
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https://cforum1.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=v...age%3D1&page=19

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post May 9 2017, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ May 9 2017, 04:30 PM)
Do you guys think Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets Fund is a solid choice for top-up on top of my current Aggresive portfolio?

Asia Ex-Japan Equity 35.7%
Developed market Equity 28.2%
Malaysia Equity 20.1%
Asia Ex-Japan Fixed Income 16.0%
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I think this is rather personal, depends on what you want

Considering the fact that you have FSM SG's MAPS as part of your financial investment, I'd instead increase your Msia equity and/or Msia fixed income as that's something that FSM SG MAPS don't have

MAPS have quite a fair bit of BRICS and GEM exposure already; and I think use SGD to invest in those markets is better than using MYR. Consider reducing forex exposure for the FSM MY investments; I'm not sure where does MYR fate lies really
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post May 9 2017, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ May 9 2017, 06:02 PM)
In fact I think am lacking small cap in my port but EI small cap has soft-close so I don't really have any Malaysia equity in mind, I already have KGF and EI equity income on my Malaysia exposure, any suggestions.

Side note, just went to FSM SG seminar again yesterday, it's going to be a quarterly review thingy now, basically, yesterday they explained the reasons behind the recent port rebalancing and the reminder that market going to be a lil bit slower starting from Q3.
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Actually KGF is more of a mid to small cap fund than a big cap fund. The fund correlate more to the small cap index than the klci

I think your mix of KGF and EI equity income fund is good. If you really wan to chase small cap fund can consider interpac, it's the hottest fund of the year. I'm just not sure how volatile it would be since the fund size is still very small

Thanks for the update on MAPS seminar. Since I'm not based in SG I don't have a chance to attend even if I'm invited
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QUOTE(Steven7 @ May 9 2017, 11:39 PM)
Can I know which Interpac are we talking about, Dynamic Equity or Dana Safi? BTW why KAF Vision Fund is not being mentioned anywhere in the thread, is it bad? I was reading the article from FSM about alternatives to EI Small-Cap and I came across this KAF fund and the returns looked great albeit at high risk
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Both, although I think so far the dynamic equity seem to do better since it's not restricted to shariah investments. I'm not familiar with KAF vision fund to really comment. I think the other small cap fund maybe comparable

On an unrelated note, SC Msia just released regulatory framework on robo advisory. I've not read the details. But probably more onerous than the other countries where there's no requirements. Hopefully that doesn't deter the robo advisors to set up in Msia
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/sc-i...medium=facebook
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post May 11 2017, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(mattalex @ May 11 2017, 10:13 AM)
Anyone know why RHB Emerging Markets Bond fund dropped and flatlined over last few weeks?
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I don't track this fund. But my speculation would be - MYR strengthening against other currencies. This is the prominent feature for foreign bond fund volatility; you would observe the same on RHB ATR and to a lesser extend, RHB Asian income
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ May 11 2017, 02:32 PM)
any input on rhb islamic bond fund? since like hardly moved for the past 6 months (<2%)
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It's due to the issues with Msia bonds in Nov'16. If you select any other Msia bond fund you will see similar trend. It has since picked up again, if you look at 3 months or YTD returns it's back to its normal levels

Bond funds are low risk, but not no risk
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post May 15 2017, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 14 2017, 06:33 PM)
Correct me if I am mistaken but isn't ASX capital are protected by PIDM? That is a positive point for them..
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 14 2017, 07:02 PM)
Hahaha... I thought that too. Until dasecret came and make noise. ASX is not PIDM protected or capital protected. The buying and selling give at rm1/unit gives the impression that it's capital protected but it's not. It's the nearest you can get to capital protected aka pseudocapital protected. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(virgoguy @ May 14 2017, 08:14 PM)
Not protected by pidm?!
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Yeah, it's OT. But just see the other 2 comments, that's why I feel obliged to "create awareness" every now and then

Not only ASx funds are not PIDM protected, it's not capital guaranteed just like your any other variable priced UT. It is black and white in the master prospectus. But I guess no one reads them just like their "financial statements" without balance sheet aka Statement of Financial Position. The things they do with these funds defy any modern accounting standards and as a bean counter I just find that hard to stomach

I've always maintain my stance that ASx is a poor surrogate for FI allocation; in fact they are worse surrogate than EPF. EPF can still be considered balanced funds. ASx invests at least 75% of its funds in Msia equity funds; and some portion on I can't tell what kind of assets from its f/s. So they are very similar to the likes of Eastspring Equity income if I must draw parallels to VP funds

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post May 15 2017, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 15 2017, 10:49 AM)
MYR 2K?

Usual UTF min participation is MYR 1K. Hence best bet or best bang for the buck:

Just dump into 50% Esther  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif  Bond plus 50% into Lee  Sook Yee's  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif Equity fund, relax and come back again when you have more moolah!

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So are you vested in local equities at the moment?
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post May 15 2017, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 15 2017, 11:19 AM)
Yar yar! I recall speaking to a tax agent before ( many many years go ) , if you use your business money to invest in non - core activity , there are negative tax implications. I cannot recall at the moment the exact mechanism , perhaps our resident tax agent aka Dasecret can shed some light.

The rationale is a registered company is there to do business that it is registered for , and when she stray away from its core business activity , there will be tax implications. I need someone more into this line to advise .

Xuzen
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This one expert level question, I don't know the answer at the back of my mind, my tax knowledge is >1 decade old. Ask la accounting questions and I shd be able to answer better blush.gif

QUOTE(xuzen @ May 15 2017, 11:21 AM)
Directly = NO

Indirectly = Yes, through KWSP
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Still don't think Msia equities have much leg to run ya?
Thru KWSP not by MIS right? EPF returns don't necessarily directly correlate with the local equities returns
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post May 19 2017, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 19 2017, 10:06 AM)
Must be the secret admirer of Avangelice just created a new nick to post this. Why lar so difficult to say this using the old nick ?  devil.gif
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Wah, so observant, our resident DC still didn't get it


QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 19 2017, 10:15 AM)
btw I checked my app. where you got your 2.6%?

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didn't see that. I'm touched that someone created a new account just to talk to me
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Remember someone who don't rely on FSM NAV update and go straight to the source? and focuses on day to day fluctuations compared to index or even individual stocks
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post May 19 2017, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 19 2017, 12:46 AM)
which fund brought you down? mine just went up.
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QUOTE(Steven7 @ May 19 2017, 10:40 AM)
Its my port in FSM SG, mainly S&P500, Blackrock Asian Growth Leaders A2 USD, Neuberger Berman US Multicap Opp A USD1 Acc and some others which were green before but now less greener. And the bleeding continues today, bravo.
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The funds are denominated in different currency, not really comparable. The segment that the funds invest in also very different

Anyway, steven's MAPS portfolio has 20 funds, so usually we would just talk overall portfolio performance instead of individual funds. Especially when we don't manage the funds ourselves laugh.gif
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post May 19 2017, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ May 19 2017, 12:28 PM)
Yeah me myself usually just look at the overall portfolio gain/loss instead of individual funds since I don't have any control over my choice. BTW sharp drop again, my gains are 50% from what it is 2 days ago.
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I expect those Latin America funds and emerging market fund will do badly. Brazil had a free fall on both equity market and currency value
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post May 19 2017, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 19 2017, 05:21 PM)
There is also a TA BRIC and emerging market.

Yes, it seems there is no direct brazil fund in FSM.
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There's a Brazil fund not distributed by FSM. I think the fella with many nicks kept asking where to buy this fund previously

https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/AMABRRM:MK

It was the highest return fund by calendar in 2016. But this kind of volatility is not for me la. My exposure to Brazil is probably a teeny tiny one in FSM SG MAPS

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