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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post Mar 17 2017, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 17 2017, 03:03 PM)
Too bad we are not hitting 20% per month. Nonetheless, it is another good month for all  rclxms.gif

Half a month only, my ROI already exceeded another four figure liao.  thumbup.gif

Go India go! Go TA GTF go!

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You know I don't like to brag, but I just made 4 figure in a day, with 1 fund blush.gif

FSM's fund pick of the month is really powerrr
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post Mar 17 2017, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Mar 17 2017, 04:29 PM)
Platinum member ka? Hehe. I think here mostly silver/gold member.
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Nola, still very far from platinum status

The fund increased by 2.4% overnight, so you can work backwards on how much investment it takes to hit 4 figure increase in a day. Not that a lot also

But this fund, really love hate relationship... when it goes down it really freefall
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post Mar 17 2017, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 17 2017, 04:32 PM)
Latest NAV :-

https://www.aminvest.com/eng/IndividualInve...FundPrices.aspx

16 March MYR  0.7744

15 March MYR 0.7649

Up 1.24%
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Now you make me wonder if the fund price is calculated correctly, all their funds increase by so much in a day
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post Mar 17 2017, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Mar 17 2017, 04:39 PM)
Huh good advice, nice to see you here also. Maybe I will go into FSM MY then, just out of curiosity what is this ninja trick you talked about? BTW where can I see FSM MY fund pick of the month as I only saw the recommendations for 16/17.

BTW can I get a sneak at your list, no blame if anything happens biggrin.gif
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Fund choice of the month is published as an article, you can see it on the home page under Funds and personal finance. This month's
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...arch-2017--8056

Ninja trick basically mean making use of the credit system that FSM MY has, that everytime you intraswitch within the same fundhouse from an equity fund to a bond fund, you get credit points so that the next time you intraswitch from the bond fund back to equity fund you don't have to pay sales charge again

Some forummer discovered that say if you want to switch from EQ fund from fund house A to EQ fund in fundhouse B which is an interswitch, traditionally you'd need to pay sales charge
But if you are not time sensitive, you can do the following
EQ fund in fundhouse A intra-switch to bond fun in fundhouse A (get credit point)
Then bond fund in fundhouse A interswitch to bond fund in fundhouse B (no sales charge)
Bond fund in fund house B intraswitch to equity fund in fund house B (utilise credit point)

Trouble with this is, it takes about T+4 for each transaction to be recorded before you can move to the next transaction; so all in would take you maybe 2 weeks to complete and by then the prices would have fluctuated and you may lose out as a result. That's the cost of trying to save sales charge

Some of my personal fav includes:
Affin Hwang Select bond fund (aka Esther bond) - stable and around 6% annualised return; some exposure in both MY and asian bonds
Affin Hwang Select Asia (Quantum) fund (aka ponzi1.0)- small and medium cap; some exposure in both MY and ASEAN equity
RHB Asian income fund - mainly bond and REITs, fairly stable; but you can buy the mother fund in FSM SG also
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income (aka ponzi2.0)- Asian equity fund; quite consistent and covers different type of companies than ponzi 1.0
CIMB global titans fund - developed market equities (US, Europe, Japan); the better ones among the global funds
EI Small cap (aka kapchai) - Msia small cap
RHB Islamic bond - local sukuk

Since you have lots of exposure on asia and global funds I'd recommend for FSM MY you focus on those that you can't buy in FSM SG; particularly Esther bond, ponzi 1.0, kapchai

QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 17 2017, 04:44 PM)
The possibility is always there but for yesterday's Nav, it was a big jump for many funds.

Your all time favourite ponzi 1 increased 2.4% and so others increased only half of it. wink.gif
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ponzi 1 only increase by 1%; it's Asia Pac Eq income that increase by 2.4%. Not quite my fav fund, but did make money recently
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post Mar 17 2017, 06:02 PM

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https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ia-Pacific-8124

Looks like no one posted this yet? The East Msians, please go and attend n bring your auntie and uncles also; promote to them so they would switch from Public Mutual to FSM cool2.gif
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post Mar 17 2017, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Mar 17 2017, 06:02 PM)
That ninja trick..is very tedious. Thanks for the education, won't gonna try it tho.

Thanks for the comprehensive list and justifications, do you think its a good time to buy in on those funds right now? BTW how often do you switch funds or what scenario would make you switch? I am asking this because of the associated switching fee and I think it would accumulate to quite some amount.
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Esther bond anytime is fine to buy, it's VERY stable tongue.gif
In hindsight, 6 months ago was the best time to buy, so I won't put all the funds in at one time now. Maybe set a RSP to put in slowly for the equity funds; in the meantime you can just keep the funds in CMF, it earns about 3.3% interest per annum. Some would argue REITs fund is good too; and india...

In terms of composition you can take a look at FSM's recommended portfolio

I don't switch regularly. I'm the type who just park there and unless the fund really underperform against its peers otherwise I'd just top up accordingly to meet my desired portfolio allocation. I do try to use credit ninja trick, but the credit just stays there and I hardly utilise them.

Unless if you keep switching; otherwise the sales charge of every dollar you invest in FSM MY shd hardly exceed 2%; with the assumption that you have some bond fund exposure and sometimes your purchase coincide with sales charge discount and you manage to get some tier discount knowing how much you invest in FSM SG brows.gif
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post Mar 17 2017, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 17 2017, 06:20 PM)
Wa, bilingual sessions some more drool.gif
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Oh ya hor, you read chinese; but i find mandarin articles about investment very hard to digest, when I try to read those on FSM SG or FSM HK; can go nuts
And I actually had 11 years of mandarin education sweat.gif

QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 17 2017, 06:21 PM)
My portfolio laggard is Kenanga Asia Pacific Total Return Fund. IRR is 4.4% since 2015. ROI is 8.6%

Thinking out selling it off. hmm.gif
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Yeah, this fund pale in comparison of its peers

QUOTE(ironman16 @ Mar 17 2017, 06:32 PM)
The problem is if aunty n uncle can't see office like PM, they won't feel secure. Is there any possible that FSM will open a branch at EM ?
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Actually there's a lot of potential for those IFA (independent financial advisors) as well; untapped market compared to klang valley. And when your competitor is PM, easy peasy la; Just need to deal with AMLA requirements carefully whistling.gif
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post Mar 17 2017, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 17 2017, 02:47 PM)
my Manulife India returns have hit 21%. part of me is saying leave it there whilst another says cash it. oh dear Lord
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 17 2017, 02:48 PM)
If 20% I cabut liao.

KGF waiting for 15%, Cimb also 15%, India 20%, Quantum 18% TA Global Tech 18%
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Question is why do you want to sell? Is there anymore upside in that market? Do you foresee it to come crashing down? ROI is just a number; a rather poor indication of performance if you ask me. That's why IRR is more superior for comparison

I have many funds with >20% ROI but that's because I've held them for >1 year. If I sell them, what should I buy? If the potential is there like ponzi 1.0, instead of selling, you should be looking to buy more
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post Mar 17 2017, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 17 2017, 07:30 PM)
For now 6.20%. Jangan ada correction sudah... Let it run  biggrin.gif
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That means annualised return is double of ASx ler. So you need to thank the folks here for asking you to dump ASx and buy UT or not

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 17 2017, 07:34 PM)
Buy more when it's going up and up? What logic is that? Please explain...
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Well, in a bull run if you buy when it started picking up is better than wait for the bear to come before you buy. Because you would have lose out on the bull while waiting for correction; there's opportunity cost of waiting.
Eg would be: If you diligently buy ponzi 1.0 and APEI as soon as FSM recommend them as fund of the month, you would have made quite a lot
My ponzi 1.0 top up last month is higher than my previous purchase, but yet it made 9.8% in 1.5 months

QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 17 2017, 07:35 PM)
Well, there's another strategy.
Sell them off (cash out); wait for deep correction, buy them back again.

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The trouble is, what if there's no deep correction? Then no buy in and let it sit in CMF? Isn't that losing money too? Although you didn't quantify, doesn't mean it's not real
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post Mar 17 2017, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 17 2017, 07:46 PM)
How many % success rate for this strategy? hmm.gif
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A backtesting done by FSM last year
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...nting!-7372
Not very successful; but last few months were quite good la. If you feel like betting, you can try. I only buy if it's a fund I like. skipped all those India, greater china stuffs. But i think it did well

QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 17 2017, 08:03 PM)
I think it is kind of hindsight words. If my memory is serving me right, there was a time asian pacific funds were recommended but collided with unexpected potus result and shits started hitting the fan.
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Yeah, can go both ways really


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post Mar 17 2017, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 17 2017, 09:12 PM)
err.... sistah! You sure you looking at FSM website or   JJPTR    other website boh?
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Nah... it's a once in a blue moon thing, that's why worth mentioning. This fund probably can lose 4 digit in a week as well... the big question is, shd I keep or shd I sell

QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 17 2017, 09:26 PM)
Just 42k fund with 2.4% will produce over 1k return. Not that difficult for her, right ?

Or i did not catch the point ?
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Your maths is quite spot on for an IT guy who doesn't keep track of IRR. What I omitted here is, I had this fund for almost 4 years now, so a lot of it is accumulated profits

QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Mar 17 2017, 10:05 PM)
Her 4digit numbers are probably in the range of RM9000 to RM9999
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I wished... but no... it's a borderline 4 digit; which is worth a brag anyway
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 17 2017, 08:27 PM)
I was thinking locking in the profits and placing them in a stable bond fund. I'm just playing scenarios in my head why keep profits? do they gain capital appreciation by sitting there?

i know in stocks, you buy it cheap and let it go up and up and collect the dividends but unit trust is different as we do not get rewarded for staying long.

yeah this has been plaguing in my mind for a long time.
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Not sure where did you get the idea that paper gains on a fund is not a gain until you materialise it. Say you invest RM10k on a fund that grows 10% per annum; if you take out the 10% gain every year and put it in a bond fund that earns 6% or you continue to put in the fund where some years it's 15% gain and some years it's -5% loss but over 10 years it's annualised 10% (think kapchai fund or ponzi 1.0 fund)
Surely the latter give you more... too lazy to do excel to show the numbers


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 17 2017, 08:53 PM)
Well you mentioned that your india fund was at 15%. Because you didn't cash out it became 9% or something like that. That's a real lost there.
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What about if you cash out at 15% and it grew to 21%? Then you lose out the 15%*6%
Just something for you to think about. No right or wrong answer
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post Mar 20 2017, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Mar 20 2017, 10:17 AM)
well i looked at amanah saham gemilang fund fact sheet for asg pendidikan, the dividend distribution and also the NAV looking good for this year...i already ask my sister to invest 1000 in it plus she also eligible to apply asb loan for 4.8% rate...hehe...anyway what im trying to tell that ASN funds are also good to invest in. smile.gif
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Mar 20 2017, 10:23 AM)
are u serious?  blink.gif
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Exactly my reaction blink.gif
Anyway, I'm a firm believer that numbers don't lie impressions do. So here's the numbers
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Surprise surprise, ASG is not all that bad compared to other Msia Shariah compliant equity funds. Looks like shariah funds did really badly in the past few years.

If I must choose, I think EI Dana Al-Ilham would be my pick

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 20 2017, 10:45 AM)
Again another fresh discussion on eut....service charge...then later going to FSM sg.

Getting bored of it
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 20 2017, 10:51 AM)
Maybe it needs to be put on first page difference between FSM MY and eUT? But then again how many people actually read 1st page?  hmm.gif  laugh.gif
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Somehow those who didn't want to pay SC also didn't want to start a new thread to promote how great FSM competitors are whistling.gif

Go start your own thread la rclxs0.gif Then the thread can be dedicated to 0% SC talk
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 20 2017, 11:14 AM)
Because some posters asked the question of whether DIY FSM is the way to go.

So I feel that I am obligated to inform them that there are other possibilities.  biggrin.gif
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You see, if you have a different thread, you just need to post a link to the thread instead of forever be hijacking the discussion and explain at length how eUT works or what's the pros and cons

Nothing personal, but for us regulars and would not consider this option; it's damn boring yawn.gif

p/s: On the MY markets, can be at least a tactical play for GE run up; some of the self proclaimed equity sifus think it'll go above 1,800 points. For me it's a permanent feature, did not divest last year when it wasn't great

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post Mar 20 2017, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 20 2017, 11:35 AM)
Hijack is not the right word since the posters asked about it. Sorry can't solve your feeling for being bored.
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Be a responsible forumer
Start a new thread. period.


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post Mar 20 2017, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 9 2017, 07:40 PM)
My Portfolio as at 9 Mac 2017.

KGF, EA SC, Titan => all using EPF funds.

Was advised by the FSM analyst, no more topping up Msia funds.

Maybe can add CIMB Asia Pacific Income fund.

Can advise on my portfolio ?
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 20 2017, 06:00 PM)
I have a big chunk in EASC and KGF. Trimmed EASC and top up Manulife US.

I think Msia market is up due to coming GE. i think now is good time to trim and keep the cash first.

I also dont have Ponzi 2 and Ponzi 1 in my portfolio. Thinking to add too.
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I think in your case certainly make sense to sell some MY equity and load up on Asiapac equity
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post Mar 21 2017, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 20 2017, 07:52 PM)
Yes boss. Topped up some Manulife US and plan to buy Ponzi 2. But Boss Xuzen prefer RHB Asian Income fund coz lower risk. Hmmmm.. what do u think ?
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RHB AIF has more fixed income and REITs than equities the last time I looked at the fact sheet. Considering you have REITs and Asian bond in the portfolio, perhaps it's a better idea to have an asian equity fund instead. But of course, it's entirely up to your risk appetite and preferences. I can only comment in general terms

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 21 2017, 11:47 AM)
(lari topic for a little bit)

nah I'm a firm believer of not buying blood diamonds to fund child laborers in the mines. plus they are over priced pieces of rock that have zero value. luckily the girl I am marrying is a lover of gemstones.

All in all I got a carat aquamarine from Thailand for 800 myr and getting Sarawakian based jeweler to custom make it with germanic silver. no gold. no rose gold. none of those cancer stuff that you need to buff and shine every year.

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getting something like this to be made.

for those interested can visit them
https://lnrartisanhandcraft.com

will try not to derail the topic further. hope this helps for those looking to invest in a diamond ring. some poor friend of mind had to spend nearly 10k on a 1 carat diamond and end up his girlfriend told my girlfriend she is afraid to show it to her lawyer friends because it's so small.
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OT, diamonds are in no way a form of investment no matter how you try to justify it
But doesn't mean a girl doesn't deserve a proper engagement ring when the guy ask her to be the wife. As to what is consider proper is up to the couple la

p/s: RM10k for a 1 carat, that has got to be a low quality 1 carat diamond sweat.gif
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post Mar 21 2017, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 10 2017, 03:17 PM)
i just did my EPF investments, redeem from PubMut and buy from FSM, heheh
more paper work coz EPF requirements for buying using EPF A/C1 but similar flow with FSM to get the 0% SC "moving"
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Mar 21 2017, 01:28 PM)
Can someone advise what is the easiest way transfer Public Mutual fund invested via EPF directly to FSM?
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See the post above. There's "Free" transfer available. Just takes longer
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Btw, the FSM rep posted on Cari Chinese forum thread that ponzi 1.0 will have a soft close soon for cash investment. In the next few weeks. Apparently fund manager want to control the fund size

So for those who wants to enter, please take note.
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 22 2017, 11:01 AM)
how about those that funnel funds to it via epf automatically? will those be blocked as well?
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No soft close does not apply to EPF investments. I'm just regurgitating information I read from the other site ya. Accuracy not guaranteed whistling.gif

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