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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post Feb 14 2017, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Feb 13 2017, 11:21 PM)
http://www.singaporelaw.sg/sglaw/laws-of-s...r-2010-sghc-277

27    It is not disputed that as a result of the rise in UET’s share price at the material time, 15 funds within the Pheim Group recorded a $1,086,989 increase in their NAVs. It is also not disputed that three accounts, namely Accounts 28 (ie, the Vittoria Fund), 101 and 106 would not have outperformed their benchmark returns for 2004 but for the rise in UET’s share price at the material time. As a consequence, Pheim Singapore earned an additional $50,000 in fees arising from the outperformance.


Thanks smile.gif so they indulged in some window dressing to earn some extra fees smile.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(drew86 @ Feb 14 2017, 12:45 PM)
True that. However what if one is doing DCA say RM200/month, wouldn't it be better to channel the RM200 to other less "expensive" funds rather than skimming the profit earlier and then incur SC again to DCA into the said fund? A bit redundant in my view. What would you or others do?
+1 Good idea. Personally I'm not at all informed about stocks and its technicalities as an investment vehicle. Not sure if I have the balls to jump on board. Anyways never too late to learn something new. OT a bit: any suggestions where to learn about stocks for beginners?
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You don't need balls you just need a lot of money and time. I think there's a stock thread, you can read there and see.. TLDR you have to do your due diligence - visit the company that you are planning to invest in, if they own hotels etc. visit it, stay there for a while to get a feel of how they run things. Read the annual reports, interim reports etc - be very aware that "creative accounting" can be used, so don't rely on that 100%.

And then technicals of course.. the trend and volume. Stuff like P/E and a whole lot of stats that I've already forgotten - price/sales ratio, EPS etc.

Ask people you know, your friends and family, what they think of the company and the things they do. Find out as much as you can about the management, listen to the way they talk - you can get a lot of clues from the way they talk, the clothes they wear, the way they sit, the way they treat other people etc.

Above all.. read. A lot. Read all the local major news websites every day. Search google for references to the companies that you are planning to invest in. Keep asking why.. why is the P/E so low (or high?) why is the turnover so high, but there's hardly any profit?

Conduct a SWOT analysis.. what are their SWOTs and how do they plan to mitigate/take advantage of them?

http://ctb.ku.edu/en/table-of-contents/ass...t-analysis/main

Do this every day.

Sometimes bad things happen, and the market overreacts. The market pretty much always overreacts to things - for instance the Komugi rat issue. You can see everyone (including me) thinking that they won't be affected by this.. but sooner or later people always overreact, as you can see in IGBREIT early November. So there's lesson #1 in value investing - people always overreact to bad news.

Case #2 - September 11, 2001 - http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge...ock-market.aspx

This is a good time to top up. You will need to be very fast when it happens.

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On the first day of NYSE trading after 9/11, the market fell 684 points, a 7.1% decline, setting a record for the biggest loss in exchange history for one trading day.


Be aware of thin volume. If you offer to buy/sell in large volume in a thinly traded counter, you might cause a price spike/crash. You might end up in a pretty bad position financially, after it's all matched. Also, depending on the exchange, trading on the counter may be halted and you may be investigated.

Do all that every day, for a few hundred counters and maybe you can beat a good mutual fund long term, if you don't end up in a bad position due to undiagnosed age-related dementia, or parkinson's or alzheimer's or whatever.

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post Feb 15 2017, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 14 2017, 09:19 PM)
unlike some of my colleagues we are bound by the Hippocratic Oath and its sad to say my patients have been getting younger and younger over the years so something is definitely wrong with us.
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Do you think more young people are going to doctors because they are richer and can afford it now? As a doctor you probably know that 95% of the patients you see have illnesses that are not life-threatening and will resolve themselves given some time and rest.

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post Feb 17 2017, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Feb 17 2017, 12:54 PM)
I am impressed. I give fsm insurance a try then.

How much is your monthly premium?
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He's an MD.. try to guess how much his premium is smile.gif
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post Feb 17 2017, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Feb 17 2017, 01:19 PM)
Our mode of payment will be stated as 'Cheque' even we pay through online banking right?
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Yes.
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post Feb 18 2017, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 18 2017, 09:47 AM)
MYR 3 deducted. lol a plate of kolo mee. nothing of value was lost today
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You guys are lucky you never let them in.. noodles in KL will cost you Rm10 at least smile.gif
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post Feb 18 2017, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(drew86 @ Feb 18 2017, 05:52 PM)
I have noticed that quite a number of portfolios have allocated a substantial portion into rhb EMBF. Would just like to point out that the volatility is by no means reflective of a normal FI fund, of course neither does the return. Something to keep in mind during %allocation.
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You'd expect that for EM actually.
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post Feb 18 2017, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(turtle_onrage @ Feb 17 2017, 11:38 PM)
Hihi, may I know which simulator are you using? Because I am currently using fundsupermart's simulator and it didn't provide any info on the volatility. Would be great if can get that info as well. Thanks!!
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it's stated in a box at the bottom, might have to scroll down to see it.
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post Feb 18 2017, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Feb 18 2017, 01:52 PM)
Its about reaping what you sow and rewarding yourself. The experience and enjoyment not about eating the tart or whatever.

I mean if u save your whole life living like a beggar what the point of having so much money? In the end theres no value to money if you dont use it. Takkan save until old cannot walk then use to buy medicine?

Have to balance your life between savings and entertainment
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It's immortality of a sort I guess. Increasing your net worth is a sort of accomplishment, proof that you did something with your life. What is the sum total of say 90 years of life? what did you have to show for it? sometimes you want to leave a legacy, to say that this is what you did with your life, proof that you did not waste the life that you were given.

Some people get married, have kids, and achieve a sort of immortality that way. For the rest of us that have not been so fortunate, at least we get to pass on something when we are gone.

There is a value to money you don't use, it can be used to support your descendants. If what you like is cheap, what else can you do with the excess money?

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post Feb 18 2017, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Feb 18 2017, 06:46 PM)
Oh sorry didn't get the previous conversation.

I'm putting as short term saving only then use for investing in stocks.  But the process so slow I haven't get my money yet. Now I check it seems my unit has disappeared from my account butt bank balance  is not increase. Have u sold before and what experience?
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If you aren't familiar with the process, there's a scary period of a day or two when that happens. Usually after that the funds should be in. This is a normal thing but the scary period should not be more than a week or so. After that if it's still missing you might have to check with FSM and your bank.
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post Feb 19 2017, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Feb 19 2017, 10:24 AM)
It's wholly owned by iFast Corporation in Singapore.
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post Feb 19 2017, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Feb 19 2017, 02:04 PM)
Look at Kapchai. 64% in 2013, 0% in 2016. Yet volatility rated at 13% in the fund factsheet (for 3 years anyway). https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...ap-Fund-MTPRUSC

Very troublesome to have small minded people like you around lah
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If you look at the 3-year chart, volatility does seem to be around there actually. 2013 is already out of scope, that was 4 years ago.

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post Feb 20 2017, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 06:36 PM)
Precisely. Thinking of keeping max RM10k in malaysia. Not sure where want to put. For me, I feel market is kind of expensive to enter. One part want to choose United Asian HY bond/Affin Hwang Select Bond but this will incur platform fees and I don't like to give FSM free money. So most likely an equity fund. Decision decisions....
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2% is free money too smile.gif

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post Feb 20 2017, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 07:27 PM)
See reasons above. Btw I think if we want to discuss SG UT, let's head to FSM SG thread.

FSM SG 0.1%/quarter platform fees
POEMS SG 0% SC, 0% platform fees, 0% switching fees

Why should I pay FSM MY if the funds they offer are not as good as their SG counterpart? Also 2% SC vs 0% SC is a lot of differences. Doesn't make sense to me.

Your choice. If you buy funds from FSM SG, you wil get less support as the FSM SG thread is almost dead. No activity unlike FSM MY thread. However if you want to cheaper option over long term, go with POEMS SG. Do your own research. I started from here. Learn more or less everything I know from this thread, took the SG govt exam for UT investor and passed it.  smile.gif  biggrin.gif

Once you get the basic, it's more or less the same thing. The only person active over in FSM SG thread will most likely be me, AIYH and dasecret unless more of you guys joint us over there (Avengelice, xuzen, puchongite, T231H, etc) biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

I am still coming back to FSM MY thread for info  rclxms.gif (remember it's universal)

For me, buy from POEMS SG, use info from FSM SG.

Here's FSM SG thread: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3757612
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I would, but how would you mitigate forex risk?
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post Feb 20 2017, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 08:58 PM)
1) SGD will appreciate over time against MYR. That's the cold hard fact.
2) I am not removing the stuff in SG unless necessary (forecast min 5 years holding)
3) If SGD drop drastically, will change more SGD
4) If SGD keep rising, just keep until I have lump sum, change/TT one shot.

So the only risk I can see is my MYR will get me less SGD over time. So time is if the essence for me here.

Just last month SGD was only 3.12x. Now it's already 3.138. So much difference in one month. After you get SGD, you will start earning SGD which will help to cover your forex risk.

Hope this answer your question.
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You have no way of knowing that, unless you can tell the future. If you really want to say that is a fact, I will need to borrow your time machine smile.gif even so there might be the possibility of alternate timelines... smile.gif


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post Feb 20 2017, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 09:05 PM)
50+ years of history is all I need + the fact SG govt policy towards foreign company + HK is making it hard for US companies to set up shop, so more US companies will flock to SG.
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Okay you think Singapore will improve fair enough, but there are two ways for the cross rate to collapse, one is for Singapore to collapse (unlikely), another is for us to become Singapore - this is not entirely unlikely.
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post Feb 22 2017, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(quackpack @ Feb 22 2017, 01:15 PM)
I'm really glad I got past the time when every single news will make me nervous about my UTs. After going through Brexit , RHB and Trump, I learn my lesson and just let the fund manager do it's work. When we buy into the funds, we should really be firm and understand the risk involve with that fund.
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This. People get nervous and switch here, switch there, pull out and put in.. and eventually realize that over the long term they'd have done better if they left it alone smile.gif
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post Feb 22 2017, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 22 2017, 08:59 PM)
apparently selina fund is also giving distribution sweat.gif
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AmAsia REITs too smile.gif
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post Feb 22 2017, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 22 2017, 06:20 PM)
lol.... how do I put it this way nicely.... looking for chickens in the middle of the night when you are hungry. some even look for chickens during day time after work..


If you are still confused google "Moonlite Bunny Ranch" smile.gif


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