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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post May 28 2018, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 26 2018, 11:17 AM)
I notice that Polarzbearz excel doesn't track quite as same as FSM system

In FSM, when you withdraw it will also redeem a certain amount of profit/loss with it. The amount redeem is always equal to the ratio u withdraw. So the profit/loss number changes. While in the excel this number remains the same because the transaction amount remains the same and is not adjusted to the redeem value of the profit/loss portion.
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Do you have some live sample data that might help me to troubleshooting?

Last I recall was that the initially idea (if I remember correctly), is to "lock in" the gain / loss by manipulating the Entrance Value. Hence the roi, altho it changes, it still recognises the "redeem value" persay. I might be wrong though, it was some long discussions 3 years ago with some forummers here, and also Pinky.
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post May 29 2018, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 28 2018, 02:38 PM)
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I added 0.87 to the manual adjusted value to get the correct value as FSM. If not the transaction amount value in excel will be wrong.

Thanks for your help.
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Can help print screen the FSM Historic Transaction for this two dates', for this fund?
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post May 29 2018, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 29 2018, 11:39 AM)
I can access that myself, I meant your sales transaction's historic data from FSM directly (for that two lines only):

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post May 29 2018, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(yupng @ May 29 2018, 05:33 PM)
Very nice chart, how u make it?
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Excel, PowerPivot, VBA Macro laugh.gif

It's basically an extension to what is already there in the excel version shared today (v2.2b)- but capturing more data into the snapshot; converting those data into pivot table so that the charts can be dynamically generated with minimal codings. Got rid of the traditional chart-update-by-code since it wasn't feasible and prone to errors (i.e. mixed fund entry period)
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post May 30 2018, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ May 29 2018, 08:49 PM)
Boss, the lastest version haven't upload?.... brows.gif
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Not yet, still figuring out/working on some stuff like :
how to help existing users to migrate data to new template/windows + mac support / auto update currency table / fund updater on non FSM funds

Also to clean up some codes as it's still messy at the moment. laugh.gif

QUOTE(idyllrain @ May 29 2018, 11:31 PM)
Remove the 0.87 adjustment and you'll get a value that is exactly the same as the one in FSM.

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 29 2018, 11:45 PM)
FSM
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Excel
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If I remove the 0.87 the number will not tally with FSM. Hence why i need the correction.

If I remove it, the result will be as follows "

FSM shows Cost is at 25,524.24
Excel shows Cost/Transaction Amt is at 25,525.11
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QUOTE(idyllrain @ May 30 2018, 12:50 AM)
Ah now I get what you mean.

Polarzbearz "Entrance Value" is not the same as FSM Cost; here if you buy RM10k @ RM1 NAV and sell all RM2 NAV, Entrance Value would be -RM10k (reflecting that you gained RM10k). Hence if you perform multiple buy/sell transactions, your Entrance Value would be below your original cost and thus "realizes" the profit. This isn't an error in the underlying calculations, just a different way of interpreting the data. Ideally though, you shouldn't be doing manual adjustments to the entries in the Excel sheet since that will introduce an actual error to your data.

Converting the file to the FSM method would introduce a different effect to the ROI: realized profits would be counted as input cost. For example, buying RM10k @ RM1 NAV, then sell 5000 units at RM2 NAV, then use the proceeds to buy again would mean your input cost is now RM15k (RM5k remainder cost* + RM10k realized from the 5000 units sold). This sequence of actions would immediately reduce calculated ROI (increased cost, constant value); on the flip-side, in Polarzbearz's Excel the calculated ROI would immediately increase (decreased cost, constant value).

In summary, Polarzbearz treats realized profits as reducing cost, while FSM treats realized profits as increasing cost. Just two different perspectives. See also the bottom half of this post for the different approaches.

* Remainder cost is calculated by: Total Cost - (Units Sold * Weighted Average Cost)
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Thanks idyllrain! You explained it better than I could laugh.gif
Just one thing to add on, usually to validate if there are any errors in excel which requires manual adjustments, check only on current values, nav price, current unit, roi amount (not %).

Been validating this way and it works for both FSM MY and FSM HK. Hence in the new version I added dynamic decimal places due to how FSM MY /HK performs unit calculation differently, ie FSM MY rounds to 2 decimal places whereby FSM HK rounds to 4 decimal places. Unfortunately I don't have FSM SG account transactions data to cross validate this.

One last thing, in case if anyone's interested, there was a long long discussion on the formula, calculations, rationales, etc. etc. in the FSM v8 thread which resulted into the current stable release version (v2.2b) : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3450434?author=polarzbearz

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post May 30 2018, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ May 30 2018, 09:17 AM)
How's everyone's funds performing?

Maybe I should've just went all in with Manulife REIT. It's the only one that's not in the red
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Let votality* do its work in the long run laugh.gif

EDIT: attaching portfolio so far laugh.gif
not much changes recently except KGF being newly invested fund. most are either initial investments in 2015's or PRS-RSP and stopped recently.
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post May 30 2018, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 30 2018, 01:58 PM)
wah, this i need some time to read n digest.. abit complicated for me to understand.
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The most simplified version I can summarize for you for the EXCEL is:

"Profit/Loss are realized and captured within the Entrance Value."
(simple english: Entrance Value considers your Investment Cost plus Realized Loss minus Realized Gain.)

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post May 31 2018, 07:22 AM

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For bond funds that has been stagnant for 6 months - 9 months, would it be a good idea to switch out to other funds? Be it bond / FI / EQ
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post May 31 2018, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 31 2018, 08:58 AM)
some months back,...some forummers mentioned that ASNB Fixed price funds would be a much better alternatives than UT bond funds
for other funds like EQ,....I myself would let the eq funds that had not been performing (same for the other funds of same mandate) for at least a year to see before reducing its allocation by a few %.

while others would just take the opportunity to top up the stagnant funds......buy on low, DCA, VCA, etc
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Hmm guess I'll wait a few months more to continue observing before selling out. The said bond fund was from FSM HK, but perhaps should have went with other options of fixed income / bond instead of the one I've chosen laugh.gif

Great idea on reducing allocation (instead of full sellout) but too bad can't apply it in my case since they have minimum selling / holdings which I didn't really met (since I invested via RSP)
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post Jun 6 2018, 10:50 PM

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Not much free time recently due to busy works rclxub.gif, but made some adjustments again. Hopefully can get more time to finish up the excel

Can zoom in/out from YEAR down to WEEK, plus added legends to see the fund at overview chart. Values are hidden for obv reasons laugh.gif
Attached File  My_Portfolio_IRR_calculator_DEV___Latest.pdf ( 1.68mb ) Number of downloads: 149

Greater China's doing pretty well hmm.gif

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post Jun 10 2018, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jun 6 2018, 10:50 PM)
Not much free time recently due to busy works rclxub.gif, but made some adjustments again. Hopefully can get more time to finish up the excel

Can zoom in/out from YEAR down to WEEK, plus added legends to see the fund at overview chart. Values are hidden for obv reasons laugh.gif
Attached File  My_Portfolio_IRR_calculator_DEV___Latest.pdf ( 1.68mb ) Number of downloads: 149

Greater China's doing pretty well hmm.gif
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!!!THIS IS A PRE-RELEASE TESTING VERSION!!! The main objective is to collect feedback/suggestions before a stable version is released.
sample report

Change log (high level) :
- supports FSM Malaysia, FSM Singapore, and FSM Hong Kong (note: sg not tested)
- supports Cross currency transaction, cross currency NAV, and group currency consolidated reporting. Max 10 currency for now. MYR is the base currency.
- support dynamic decimal places calculation (FSM my uses 2 decimal, HK uses 4 decimal)
- leveraged pivotchart for most part to ensure maximum compatibility / easy to use / flexibility
- updated charts

For those that are curious / good with excel / want to help out, please see below the latest excel (pre-release) with incomplete functionalities. Some of them are still being developed (i.e. MAC compatibility within same excel; auto currency table update; codes tweaking/cleaning, etc.) so do expect some bugs in this version. The conversion tool is also updated to cater to this new excel version so that you can either (a) import from FSM Malaysia or (b) import from previous stable excel (v2.2)

Since this is a pre-release test version, only the conversion tool has complete step-by-step instruction/guides... for now.
LYN Portfolio IRR calculator - pre-release - 3.0-alpha.xlsm
polarzbearz Spreadsheet Conversion Tool - FSM-to-Excel, Excelv2.2-to-v3.0.xlsm


One of the biggest manual activity is to update the 'fund snapshot date' due to an oversight in previous version. But good thing is, albeit painful in the beginning, you will retain all of your historical data instead of starting from scratch. The problem in previous v2.2 design is the inconsistencies of date usage.
- In "Portfolio Snapshot", it is capturing the date when snapshot happens
- but in the "Fund Snapshot", it is capturing the date when the fund was last updated in FSM.

This may give some problem in the charting section. Below are the simplified steps:
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!!!EXPECT BUGS - THIS IS A PRE-RELEASE TESTING VERSION!!! You have been warned

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post Jun 10 2018, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jun 10 2018, 10:48 AM)
Boss, can make it support public mutual too?
Suggest only, if can't just ignore 😙😁
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Its in my to-do list along with the few items mentioned above but not yet laugh.gif
They use traditional table (similar with HLA's fund) hence the reason I didn't look into it yet. Many manual steps/codes
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post Jun 12 2018, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(yupng @ Jun 11 2018, 10:31 PM)
BRO, why the portfolio summary tab not updated one?
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Can you please describe more on the issue? Since not much details are provided I will take a guess
- if you are referring to the portfolio irr / portfolio roi / portfolio profit value / fund irr / fund roi charts: make sure that you have already updated the Portfolio Snapshot and Fund Snapshot sheet. You may import from your old excel (see the conversion instructions)
- if you are referring to the fund allocation / country region / type chart, please make sure that you update the Fund Allocation chart with the %. Also check Fund Info sheet just to make sure that fund names are picked correctly there without errors

btw, I'm not bro sleep.gif sweat.gif


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post Jun 12 2018, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(yupng @ Jun 12 2018, 03:06 PM)
This chart not updated on my excel sheet, still keep old date even though I already changed all the  fund information.
Monthly Avg. Portfolio History, Monthly Avg. Portfolio History, Fund Weightage, Monthly Avg. Fund IRR History, Monthly Avg. Fund ROI History,

Fund allocation, fund info, portfolio snapshot, fund snapshot all got information.

Not BRO, then must call liang lui..... laugh.gif
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Assuming your portfolio snapshot, fund snapshot already updated correctly and pasted correctly as per instructions in the Conversion Spreadsheet, did you press "Refresh All" under Data connection?

Or easier, try clicking the 'UPDATE+SNAPSHOT' button
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post Jun 14 2018, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(yupng @ Jun 12 2018, 08:35 PM)
Maybe my old version excel not support this canggih excel.
Anyway I did all the above but no changes also
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QUOTE(l4nc3k @ Jun 12 2018, 09:34 PM)
Remember to enable macro when you first launch excel.
Any version from 2010 onward should be OK.
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I didnt try on older excel but it should work just fine. I've tested it in 3 different windows pc/laptops with office 365/2016/2013 albeit i mainly work on the 365 ones.

Could you check and make sure that
1) Macro is Enabled
2) FILE > Options > Add-ins > Manage Excel Add Ins (click GO) > "Analysis Toolpak" is enabled?

If all else fails, you'll need to post/PM with more details/screenshots or best if I can check your file directly (if you are comfortable to send me). Hard to guess/help without specific details.

Anyone else that downloaded and toyed around - is it working so far? Or anyone else had similar issue?

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post Jun 22 2018, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jun 21 2018, 06:17 PM)
I chicken...dare not go that heavy on special focused fund......i would just go 10% on ponzi 1.0 n 20 % on ponzi 2.0.......dare not go all 30% into ponzi 1.0 alone
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Been not following for a while, which fund are the ponzi 1.0/2.0?
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post Jun 26 2018, 09:31 AM

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Off topic to FSM HK a little bit laugh.gif

FSM IPO Service Fee Waiver for Xiaomi (1810.HK)

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Currently considering this hmm.gif
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post Jun 28 2018, 09:14 AM

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With so much reds recently, time to restart my RSP finally laugh.gif
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post Jun 29 2018, 07:32 PM

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Something new just announced in FSM HK.. US stocks / ETFs. Wonder how's their cost in comparison with local brokers buying US stocks hmm.gif
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post Jul 10 2018, 09:34 PM

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After weeks of falling finally some signs of picking up. Hopefully things are stablised in coming weeks rclxub.gif

Topped up all different funds too early cry.gif





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