Fundsupermart.com v8, The MS Excel Masterclass version!
Fundsupermart.com v8, The MS Excel Masterclass version!
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Jan 15 2015, 11:02 PM
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Just curious at what age most of you started investing? Thinking to start but not sure if it's too young / early, and also scared that my judgement is not good enough yet.
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Jan 15 2015, 11:12 PM
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Jan 15 2015, 11:14 PM
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Jan 17 2015, 03:23 PM
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What do you sifu's here think above RHB-OSK Asian Total Return Fund for beginners @ low/medium risk fund?
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Jan 17 2015, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 17 2015, 04:16 PM) FSM Risk Rating is 4,...guess it is medium risk. for beginners? well, some beginners can take risk, some cannot. some young man cannot take risk, some old man can.... so it is difficult to suggest if this is good for beginner... anyway,...can try lor at risk rating 4...see how it goes in 3 years time....maybe this is too slow or too volatile...you hv to judge it yourself. QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 17 2015, 04:16 PM) Ya I think my risk appetite is pretty low altho at my age |
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Jan 18 2015, 12:16 PM
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Anyone here familiar with RSP / Dollar Averaging? I noticed that not all funds can start directly via RSP (need to have minimum investment fund as stated here.)
If that's the case, what should I do to activate RSP? Need to buy & confirm the transactions of initial investment only can "Add" that fund to RSP? As I can't seem to find any way to add that fund to RSP. Currently after looking through, I'm thinking to start the minimum investment in these funds: CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund AMB Income Trust Fund But still not sure whether if I should RSP these funds, or find another different fund to RSP (to diversify) |
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Jan 18 2015, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 18 2015, 12:20 PM) I think there are many info there like the RSP list, click here to apply, etc.... I maybe wrong, but pls check it out? QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 18 2015, 12:22 PM) U understand what is RSP Special, right? Hmm I see. Will research more and maybe find a balanced / conservative growth fund for my RSP. For funds not under RSP Special, u need to have an initial investment in it first, i.e. buy in RM1,000 (or RM500 for CIMB-Principal funds). After that only u can subscribe for RSP for that fund. From my experience, RSP works best for funds that are VOLATILE (huge yo-yo up and down) but are displaying a CLEAR uptrend over the years, because RSP will help u to average out your entry cost. For funds that are stable like CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income, lump sum entry would work better. Just dump in everything u have! For RSP, it's also subjected to the sales charge (usually 0.5% or 2%) right? Cannot lump everything inside la, I scare that I'll get heart attack |
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Jan 18 2015, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 18 2015, 12:38 PM) How to build courage if u didn't go thru shocks? 2008 Financial Crisis right? Recent slump in Bolehland equities just given us a very good lesson in volatility and how RSP could help. Those who (saw the super HISTORICAL performance and) bought in lump sum into Kenanga Growth, Eastspring Small Cap etc and then did not have courage and/or ammo to top up when market crashed would have been better off had they did otherwise, for example buying in minimum amount and then RSP buy in come rain or shine. The fund which taught me this lesson was Hwang Global Financial Institutions Fund (I think this fund closed already, it's a 5-year mandate fund if I remember correctly), this fund was launched in mid-2008. U know what started during that time, right? 50 sen I started, 44 sen I top up, 39 sen I top up, 38 sen I top up... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « But, not everything or every fund also can do like this, u need to have faith that the fund/industry/market will recover somehow. The SC charged on your RSP would be the usual SC rate, if it happens that FSM is running some promo during that time, u get the promo SC rate. Gotta research more on to see what funds I'm should be doing RSP then By normal SC rate, is it the "Discounted Initial Sales Charge" listed in the fund's fact sheet? Or this "Discounted Initial Sales Charge" is only applicable when we bought the fund the "first time" and subject to actual SC after that (if we top up more units)? Their FAQ doesn't mentioned about the "Discounted Initial" thing at all, but I saw one of it mentions that normal SC is about 2% QUOTE Q: WHAT KIND OF CHARGES DO I HAVE TO PAY? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Jan 18 2015, 12:59 PM |
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Jan 18 2015, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 18 2015, 01:00 PM) Ah-a! That's good to hear, although the term "Discounted Initial SC" is really a bit misleading That's pretty good as their SC seems to be pretty low. Not sure how much banks will charge if we apply through them |
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Jan 19 2015, 12:36 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 17 2015, 08:05 PM) With so many posting their portfolio asking for opinion... Created a new spreadsheet based on your advice so that I can visualize my freshly started portfolio Rather than giving opinion which may or may not be helpful, I'm gonna teach u guys how to really see how your portfolio looks like... Go download the latest fact sheet of your funds Then see what are the countries/sectors/asset classes that it invests in E.g. CIMB Global Titans as at Nov-14 fact sheet has 51.8% in US, 35.7% in Europe, 11.8% in Japan and the remainder in Cash. U have RM10,000 worth of holdings in CIMB Global Titans. Your total portfolio is RM50,000. Thus, RM10,000/RM50,000 x 51.8% is exposed to US Do this for the other funds. Then u can construct a picture of the allocation of your portfolio. U don't have to do it 100% the way I did it, improvise and find a way which suits u. Attached is mine: |
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Jan 19 2015, 12:44 AM
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Jan 19 2015, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 19 2015, 12:58 AM) just 1 question..on the "by Country" chart Let me check the autosum value and table values tomorrow the 45% Malaysia is include both the EQ and bond? if yes,...I think better separate as I "think" your "by country" charts is cater for EQ. seems Malaysia % not tally between "by Types and Country" and "By Country" I maybe wrong...have a review. also why the vertical % lines in the "by type and Country" not tally? ex..the FI is 41% but the vertical is about 39% |
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Jan 19 2015, 01:17 AM
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Jan 19 2015, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 19 2015, 12:58 AM) just 1 question..on the "by Country" chart Ok, just checked. Nothing wrong with the formula, but something wrong with chart's decimal #semuasalahdecimal.the 45% Malaysia is include both the EQ and bond? if yes,...I think better separate as I "think" your "by country" charts is cater for EQ. seems Malaysia % not tally between "by Types and Country" and "By Country" I maybe wrong...have a review. also why the vertical % lines in the "by type and Country" not tally? ex..the FI is 41% but the vertical is about 39% Fixed it Attached thumbnail(s) |
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Jan 19 2015, 09:13 PM
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As requested by prince_mk98, here's the spreadsheet that I used to populate the chart.
Download here >>> Polarzbearz's Portfolio Summary with Pinky's IRR Calculation Make sure you read the instructions as many of the cells has formula in it. You can freely modify, update, or change it to suit your need (and even share with others if you don't mind Original credit goes to Pink Spider for the original worksheet (Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation) And special thanks to Pink Spider and yklooi for inspiring: see post#795 and post#817 |
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Jan 20 2015, 11:56 PM
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All the mooncakes, biawak shits, chicken farms made me
Basically for UT, to see if we "made a profit" or not, is it to compare Units * Purchase Price; vs Units * Current NAV price? Dividend will be out of the picture - as giving out dividend regardless of reinvested or not will slice down the NAV price, albeit increasing our holding units, right? And if the fund is doing good, some of their yearly return rate shows e.g. "10%, 29%, 30%, etc" - is this referring to increase of x% in the NAV price? Or does it mean different thing? This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Jan 20 2015, 11:57 PM |
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Jan 21 2015, 08:40 AM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 21 2015, 08:24 AM) Please do not start to "Jam" my just being enlightened brain again. For your case, I agree with others explanation, look at percentages. Let's put it way, you are comparing two different animals, cat vs dog. Cat (rm1) drops rm0.1, translated into percent is 10% loss. Dog is rm0.5, drop rm0.1, translated into percent is 20% loss, of course you will think that 'more units more loss' but actually if u look closer above, I didn't mention about unit at all, because root cause is the percentage of change. you posted "is it to compare Units * Purchase Price; vs Units * Current NAV price" 1) 1000 units x RM 1 (purchase price) = RM 1000 2) 1000 units X RM 0.9 (NAV drops RM 0.1) = RM 900 3) 2000 units x RM 0.5 (current Nav) = RM 1000 4) 2000 units X RM 0.40 (NAV drops RM 0.1) = RM 800 in your posting that mean "No gain" as in 1 & 3? More units as 3 & 4 as compared to 1 & 2 (lesser units).....more units, more loses if Nav dropped RM 0.1....is what I meant, as posted in #912 page 46 see that logic?...well, that was the jam that got stuck in my brain.... want to unlock that Jam too?....see post #955 at page 48 by guy3288 and some postings before that by pink and wongmunkeong or please enlighten us all, we you think we are still in the jam[ For my case, I'm curious what does the % means in "past year performance.". Does +15% means last year's NAV was rm1, now is rm1+15%=rm1+rm0.15=rm1.15? Or the % means something else (their stock holdings? Their assets?). As for the profit or loss, we are only comparing our purchase cost VS current worth right? This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Jan 21 2015, 08:52 AM |
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Jan 21 2015, 04:12 PM
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Jan 21 2015, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 21 2015, 09:11 AM) Btw, why must look at %..Nav changes by RM value almost daily (be it 5% or 10%)? Thanks for the link, will read it later at home.I think explanation in post#955 page 48 did NOT mention 1) comparing 2 things ex Cat vs dog or 2) %....they are NOT in the picture in that post. both are also excluded in the logic that Jammed me. Root cause is the percentage of change? now lagi have to go re read post #955 well, I think it was then and now. I tracked mine with what was posted by them.....almost similar +/-x%...maybe it was the cut off dates of calculation. if you want to track, try reading this....just for extra info... 3 Ways To Track Fund Performance We provide with a guide on how to track the performance of your unit trusts using our user friendly online tools. Author : FSM ...May 18, 2009 http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...l?articleNo=275 As for your case.... Let's put it this way, percentage is more accurate "tool" for measurements - when price changes, RM0.10 change can be little or very high depending on current price. So how to know if its "very little difference" or "very big difference" - percentage. a RM0.10 change from RM1 is 10% CHANGED. a RM0.10 change from RM10 is merely a 1% change. But without using %, do you know which one is "bigger" change? You can argue back and say, "well, look at the fund price lah, what else to look?" -then I'll ask you back, how do you know RM0.10 from RM1 is big change but RM0.10 from RM10 is small change? and here we are again: Percentage. |
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Jan 22 2015, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 22 2015, 03:32 PM) IRR itu bukan saya punya, IRR itu Pink punya. I punya itu chart & fund distribution saje QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 22 2015, 03:43 PM) Hahah I was wondering what is RF also, but I just added MF (I think) behind it. |
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