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Ramjade
post Mar 8 2017, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 8 2017, 10:23 AM)
Let me trigger some discussion here

while your points are correct, there's one more item you have not considered

The effective expense ratio is higher for PRS funds that takes a feeder fund model because unfortunately the way PPA structure the fund, the mother funds have their management fee and expenses; while PRS funds  management fee portion is not double counted; the expenses are incurred in both mother fund and PRS fund. So although you saved on sales charge; which is one off; every year you pay slightly more on the expenses. And in someone's books, that's totally unacceptable; for me, the tax savings still justifies it

for details on this I'd suggest you look into old discussion on the PRS thread involving myself n xuzen.
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I am all pro for paying less tax. Better you save, pay a lttle more, get back your money compare to letting it disappear or who knows transfer to some unknown island. whistling.gif

This kind of things is worth paying vs platform fee. This I will pay but not platform fees.
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post Mar 8 2017, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Mar 8 2017, 04:16 PM)
Maybe I did not make my sentence clearer...
What i meant was the initial tax relief you got when amortised (new word to me) over a long period of time, the advantage is probably not going to worth it for all the hassle of PRS..
E.g. you get 20% tax rebate from the PRS, and you still have 20 years before you can withdraw this money. This works out to roughly 1% p.a. which means  whatever your PRS return was that year, you add 1% return to it.
So this versus you put this money into FSM or whatever and actively manage it whereby you are free to choose between hundreds of UT products and you are free to withdraw all during a freefall..

Hope you get the gist of what I am trying to say, I aint well-versed in economic terms.. I am not disputing the power of compound interest or UT in general

My point is there are pros and cons and probably more cons than what ppl thought.
E.g. If we have a retiree-gonna-be, then this PRS income tax relief is a no brainer, since he is going to get his money back within a few years
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Look at it this way. Every year until 2021, you get tax relief. After that if no more tax relief, just leave it there, no need to add more money into PRS. It's just few more years what. That's why must choose good fund. thumbsup.gif
Don't choose a rubbish fund. Same thing with UT also. Must pick good fund.

Eg. Cimb Asia Pacific PRS which feeds into Cimb Asia Pacific Dynamic. With this fund, how Cimb Asia Pacific Dynamic performs, this is how the PRS will perform. As dascret said slightly higher fees but it won't be that high which means I am sure it will >any FD rate.

You need to take into consideration of Tax relief + performance of the fund. Fund's performance won't be static at 1% you know.
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post Mar 8 2017, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 8 2017, 05:50 PM)
as for asia pac ex japan, which funds would you consider ? still Cimb Asia Pacific Dynamic ? any suggestion ?
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Affin hwang quantum or rhb income fund
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post Mar 9 2017, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 9 2017, 07:48 PM)
I had made a topup on Titan few days ago.

was told to add Asia Pac Ex Japan - which one u all top up ? Ponzi 2 ? or Manulife Investment Pacific Fund

why not many mention abt this Manulife Investment Pacific Fund?
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Ponxi 1 - ~50% in amalysia. Too risky.
Ponzi 2 is more "defensive"
Manulife Asia Pacific a bit volatilie compare to Ponzi 1 and Ponzi 2. Not really worth it.

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post Mar 10 2017, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 10 2017, 10:53 AM)
The hike was or had already  been expected since more than 20 mtns ago.....
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Actually not really. Just this month alone it became >50%. Before this month <50%
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post Mar 10 2017, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 10 2017, 11:03 AM)
Do you mean the fed rate hike had not been expected after the stopping of QE?
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No. What I meant was the fed mentioned that they are going to hike rates 3x this year but they didn't specify when. Before march, % of expectation of hike was low. But now it's almost certain the first hike will take place on 15/3.

Those pesky investor/spectaculars/traders who live for hot money wasn't sure where to move their money. But with certain that hike will happen in March pump money into those sectors, they sell off for quick profit

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post Mar 10 2017, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 10 2017, 11:21 AM)
well that's why they forget one thing. the federal government can start printing money which allows the bank to pay its debtors but it also causes a chain reaction that devalues the currency.

increase in rates.
decrease in currency exchange rates
people panic and start saving their cash.
no cash flow, the economy stalls.
in order to keep it moving a Goverment will have to print more money and borrow from the world Bank.

refresh and repeat the process.

the question investors should be asking. can you stomach the lost and continue on weathering the storm or are you going to cut your loses and keep your cash under your pillow?
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For me, if that happen, will change USD like crazy devil.gif
Miss the chance in 2008. Won't miss it again bruce.gif flex.gif
The world still use USD and knowing the US, they have few dirty tricks up their sleeve to make sure the world continue to use USD devil.gif
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post Mar 10 2017, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 10 2017, 11:58 AM)
Theoretically speaking. What would you have done then? Buy into us? If so where and how?
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Manulife US Reits listed on SGX. You can buy using USD you know. devil.gif
(i) deposit USD over the counter at SG banks (which means you can get the best rate from midvalley, walk into SG with SGD20k worth of USD and park into your bank account)
(ii) TT USD into SG bank account dry.gif

It's a US REIT which is listed in Singapore and best part is for alien investor, you don't get the 30% withholding fees (from US govt) as it's not listed in the US and since it's listed in the SG, it's required to pay 90% of it's income withut any tax by SG govt devil.gif

Another one, Fidelity Global Tech which beats Henderson Global Tech (fund which TA Global Tech Feeds into) hands down.

Yes, that time I don't have a SG account nor FSM MY account. SOif it were to happen that time and I was savvy enough, just hold USD cash.

But if it were to repeat like 2008, the above will be my first step.
Second, topup the S-Reits. Even then it was not spared from mass selldown.

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post Mar 10 2017, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 10 2017, 04:34 PM)
Just checked Manulife Asia Pacific Reits drops .91%. Ramjade
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Expected. Us rates coming. Amasia also drop. My manulife returns still > amasia lol after the drop.
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post Mar 10 2017, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Mar 10 2017, 08:06 PM)
So what now if I hold AmAsia Reit? Ride along or sell?
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You have 2 option
- pump more money into it (it's a sorf of discount but a small one). Up to you when you want to pump
- hold

You sell, you rugi straight. whistling.gif

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post Mar 10 2017, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Mar 10 2017, 06:18 PM)
1.7% to -0.19% Manulife Asia pacific reit in just a month
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Itu small ruji sahaja. Try the time when reit was sold off like crazy last year whistling.gif

QUOTE(tonytyk @ Mar 10 2017, 08:23 PM)
Earn less instead of rugi?
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Topup more la if drop rclxms.gif thumbup.gif

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 10 2017, 08:33 PM)
I plan to top up. once wheel turns, Reits will stand out once again followed by bond when investors retreat from EQ
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Topping up should be done when it's (-). That is the best time. Why topup when it's positive? Get lesser units if topup when it's positive vs topup when it's negative and you get more thumbup.gif
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post Mar 10 2017, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(newbiz2008 @ Mar 10 2017, 09:54 PM)
USA market will make another peak soon
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Or maybe it could be priced in already. hmm.gif
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post Mar 10 2017, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 10 2017, 10:04 PM)
So confident ?
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US created 235,000 jobs in Feb, vs 190,000 expected

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post Mar 12 2017, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Mar 12 2017, 10:35 AM)
should we diversify to Zurich Global Edge Fund feed by Schroder ISF QEP Global Quality ?
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Why should you do that? Pay them extra 5.5% vs FSM at only 2%?
Also there's eastspring Global leaders.
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post Mar 12 2017, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Mar 12 2017, 10:57 AM)
10 year only 39% increased.
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Buy US funds like what xuzen said. Better than buying global funds when 50% is make up of US companies.

QUOTE(Quang1819 @ Mar 12 2017, 01:04 PM)
Do you guys tend to buy the weekly top funds? lol
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Of course not. Chasing weekly top fund is suicidal.

QUOTE(Quang1819 @ Mar 12 2017, 01:05 PM)
TA Global good buy now?

Still can buy ah? Or late liao?
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Expensive woh. Can buy little bit but not lump sum.

QUOTE(MNet @ Mar 12 2017, 01:06 PM)
Still can buy. Average down.
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Huh? confused.gif confused.gif It's very high now. What's there to average down?
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post Mar 12 2017, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 12 2017, 06:33 PM)
Define outperform.

If you want a slightly riskier but much higher return, united asian high yield bond fund

You may also consider reits as an alternative to bonds, such as selina fund and manulife reit
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You forgot RATR tongue.gif
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post Mar 12 2017, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Mar 12 2017, 06:45 PM)
Lower or same risk and votality as Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund but with higher return. Any?  hmm.gif  notworthy.gif
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No. Why? Normal bond give ~4% returns. If you go higher, it's considered junk bonds.
If for asia pacific, don't think so. If compare with Malaysia, then yes Rhb Islamic/Rhb Bond funds. These 2 are focuses solely in Malaysia. You want or not? tongue.gif

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post Mar 12 2017, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 12 2017, 09:18 PM)
it's simple really. if Affin hwang select bond isn't giving the best returns for its volality why would we even mention it? hence the best fund atm for that geographical coverage for a bond fund.

looking for a better one? then go for balance fund which is another tier on top of it aka RHB AIF
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Simple. Because there's no competition. If suddenly another fund appear which is better than Affin Hwang Select Bond appear, maybe we can jump ship? laugh.gif

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post Mar 12 2017, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 12 2017, 09:26 PM)
Affin hwang select was just introduced just a few months ago kan. from Anita to esther. I'm gonna be in her for the longest time. lol
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Actually it was introduced long time ago when dasecret bought it from affin hwang at 3% SC whil wil-i-am bought it at 0% SC. It was sold briefly by FSM and then kena tarik.
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post Mar 12 2017, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 12 2017, 10:47 PM)
This kind of credit I don't dare to claim lor.... did a quick search and the fund was already mentioned in the first ever FSM thread 4 years ago  notworthy.gif

p/s: I didn't pay 3% la; the maximum charge on the sales channel I bought from is 2% but I didn't pay that much either  cool2.gif All in all it was a great buy, cos with the lobbying here, now it only cost 0.2% platform fees for future purchases

pp/s: Miss having william around. Who keep in touch with him?
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He left. Not sure was it a fight with the mod or something else

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