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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post Mar 6 2017, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 6 2017, 10:15 PM)
on top of it time is money. I rather be seeing patients during Saturday and Sunday and make money rather than to exchange currency, fly to Singapore. negotiate with banks to open up an account. bank in every once a while. don't think my health is worth the effort for a few percentage of returns
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I have a feeling he is all talk no action. Yes, in theory go down to SG open account bla bla bla... once in a while to visit Garden by the Bay or go to Sands for some happy times OK lar.

But to do that as routine? To save SGD 60.00?

He sees the "*50 cts coin as big as bullock cart wheel*".

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post Mar 6 2017, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 6 2017, 10:20 PM)
True.. my family know all my passwords lol.  Anything happen they can just transfer out smile.gif
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One day they may transfer your money out while you are stlll alive...it is a risk you will have to live with.

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post Mar 7 2017, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 7 2017, 09:18 AM)
Forget about me tavelling. That's my choice.

The topic is what are you guys going to do if they remove the sales charge and start charging platform fees. Keep in mind that's how FSM SG started. First 2% SC, then insurance, start cutting SC, then implementing platform fees for everything.

You do know that many companies in the world moves away from one time charge to anmual charge? (microsoft, Adobe)

Up to you guys. You guys prefer to give free money to FSM every year, be my guest. I will not pay them platform fees if I can help it. Platform fees might be negligible but it's still cost and cost adds up over time. Like a drop of water can fill a pail over night. Maybe FSM MY should do away with service charge and start implementing platform fees for all funds? That's a nice idea. Recurrent annual income. Don't need to do anything, sit back get money from your customers. Guaranteed cash flow annually. hmm.gif hmm.gif
FSM charge you 2% for equities. 0% for bond but they have platform fees of 0.04% per quarter which this few pages have been about.

Some say platform fees of 0.2% is negligible but up to you. For me, 0.2% is still profit over time.

We malaysians don't have access to low cost index fund. Only choose low cost index fund if available funds cannot beat the index. Otherwise, choose funds which can beat the index.
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For someone who can't even afford to deposit MYR 5,000 and yet make so much noise. (If he can afford more than MYR 5K, he would have at a snap of a finger go to eUT liao for 0% SC & no platform fee liao).

MYR 5K x 0.4% = MYR 20.00 per year. Instead go and choose to spend around MYR 400.00 per trip to SG to avoid platform fee. doh.gif

Still cannot brain it rclxub.gif

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post Mar 7 2017, 02:48 PM

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PRS = dump in MYR 1K to get the govt free money. It is free money, so don't squander it.

Then stay away from it until you get taxed, then participate in it to get the tax relief. That is what PRS is good for.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 7 2017, 02:48 PM)
No no. What I meant is for those long term people with bond allocation since you said platform fees is for short term people. So what about those long term people holding some bond funds. What choice do they have? Takkan want to switch all to equities meh?  whistling.gif
Correction. Plus for RM3k tax relief. You want to pay less income tax, then buy PRS.
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post Mar 10 2017, 04:20 PM

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Part two:

Now, suppose the another fund has a lower volatility, say 5.12% whilst still having the same annualized return of 13.27%. This means that the new UTF in observation will still be considered normal behavior if she performs between 13.27 - 5.12 = 8.15% (worse case scenario) or 13.27 + 5.12 = 18.39% (best case scenario).

Can you now see that the new fund is "safer" in the sense, it does not drop so much in its normal behavior? You may argue, meh! It does not go up very higher either...

Nonetheless in the professional portfolio manager circle, they are trained to watch out for risk rather than return.

If you still buy the narrative that risk is a more important marker to watch, hence a professional portfolio manager would want to get the best bang for the buck or in this case, the best return for the risk taken. That is why the risk to reward ratio, that is return divided by risk is a good parameter to assist one to select a good UTF to participate in.

On the contrary, if one is a pure speculator, then one will be inclined to choose UTF that has very high volatility. Some UTF in the FSM universe such as RHB gold and general UTF has 30% volatility. Such UTF like this would be a punter /speculator choice UTF!

Hence, if you want to be a passive investor, choose low volatility, if you want excitement , choose high volatility.

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p/s FSM - UTF... macam-macam ada.

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post Mar 11 2017, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(repusez @ Mar 11 2017, 02:47 PM)
what to do when u want to do for free you gotta suffer the lead time, we don't have the free luxury switching using wrap account like susan

but anyway i'm in it for the long term like 1-2 years so few days of lead time is ok for me, beggars can't be too choosy. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 11 2017, 02:51 PM)
Susan ? Adoi. Rolling on the floor now.
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post Mar 13 2017, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Mar 12 2017, 06:45 PM)
Lower or same risk and volatility as Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund but with higher return. Any?  hmm.gif  notworthy.gif

Edit: Risk level around something like Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund or Libra Asnita Bond Fund.
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RHB Bond or RHB Islamic Bond.

However, both are not under my consideration because has an exit penalty of 1% if less than one year.

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post Mar 13 2017, 10:51 AM

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Dulu ada Hang Hebat yang menyatakan ManuReits ada gaya, mutu dan keunggulan.

Tapi, gaya, mutu dan keunggulan ada risikonya.

Volatilitynya tinggi makna bila NAV turun, ia turun dengan gaya, mutu dan keunggulan.

Selina wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif slow 'n' steady. Naik tak sebanyak, turun pun tak begitu gaya, mutu dan keunggulan.

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Ini bulan kasi enter Selina 1K, Esther 1K dan RHB EMB 2K.



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post Mar 13 2017, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Mar 13 2017, 10:53 AM)
So, boss , which one is in your consideration other that affin hwang select bond ? Anita ?
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post Mar 13 2017, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Mar 13 2017, 11:00 AM)
This oledi in my shortlisted fund, wait it down more  happy.gif
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Which one? UTF Gaya, mutu dan keunggulan whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif or Selina wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif

Wait and wait and wait... you think you buying stock market ar?

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 13 2017, 11:10 AM)
Selina macam stagnant sahaja. Tak gerak atas selepas peristiwa nov-dec (Reits sell off). Tak gerak keatas banyak (neglible) tetapi turun lebih dari naik whistling.gif  confused.gif

Just to demonstrate
Amasia Reits and Manulife Reits were (-) after the Nov-Dec selloff. Manulife starts becoming (+) in Januray while Amasia was still negative in Jan. Then Manulife became 3.8x% vs Amasia at 1.8x% by Feb. Now Manulife is at 1.9x% vs Amasia at 0.8x% Yes Manulife decline more but still it didn't go back to almost (-) territory.

Now if another round of selloff were to occur, Amasia would be in (-) territory while Manulife would be almost 0%
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What you say above does not commensurate with the figure shown in FSM website leh?

At one month history, Selina >>> ManuReits, meaning somewhere in early Feb 2017
At three month history, Selina >>> ManuReits, meaning somewhere in early Dec 2016
At six month history, Selina >>> ManuReits, meaning somewhere in early Sep 2016

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post Mar 13 2017, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(drew86 @ Mar 13 2017, 02:43 PM)
Ini bulan i assume you're waiting to enter after Mar 15?
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post Mar 14 2017, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 14 2017, 08:18 AM)
Ini bulan kasi guna referral token beli selina fund. ikut pak cik xuzen...
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Sorry Kakak Adele123, referral token nih ape? Gua pakai wrap akaun, tak tahu fasal itu ape referral token, nijer trick etc...

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Mar 15 2017, 01:55 PM)
reporting in. A great place to learn more about UT. Even though i'm already an UT consultant doesn't mean my knowledge is great. Still in learning process right now. Anyway TS great effort and i can see you are really knowledgeable about UT.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 15 2017, 04:11 PM)
Is that suppose to be sarcastic? sweat.gif laugh.gif
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Yar... sounds a bit saccastic hor?

No lar, actually friend Haziqnet, welcome. Have a beer oren jus.

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post Mar 15 2017, 04:20 PM

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apa itu otai?
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post Mar 16 2017, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(yupng @ Mar 16 2017, 10:01 AM)
Hi sifu,

What is the recommended fun can buy?
Mid to long term investment.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 16 2017, 05:59 PM)
Sounds like Selina has cashed out some reits stocks earlier and then re-entered a day before.
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In and out, in and out!

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Mar 16 2017, 05:42 PM)
There is a saying which goes It’s time in the market that builds returns, not timing the market.
Not sure how true is that these days.
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It is not an opinion nor an observation, it is a mathematical truth.



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