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post May 17 2024, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ May 17 2024, 08:57 PM)
Guys is it worth upgrading to 7900x3d now ..ard rm2.3k... to replace 5600x... And a 64gb ram .. rm1.2k ...

Or.should I go for intel

Mainly for gaming 2k ; and local llm

I will reuse old components 3080 ; fsp 1000w ;
Corsair mp600 nvme ;
As Mobo I haven't decided yet.. but be a budget Mobo ard rm1k... Total budget ard rm5k
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For 2K, just upgrade to 5800X3d is more than enough, The higher reso you go the less that CPU matters as long its an 8 core.
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post May 18 2024, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ May 17 2024, 11:01 PM)
reason I'm upgrading is that my mobo start to fail I think...  CTD when playing games quite often.. cant diagnose from Event Viewer

and once upgrade, just want straight upgrade to value for money so it can a bit longer...

main game playing is Battlefield 2042..I'm getting around 100-120fps...  hoping it can give me ard 144 mark with upgraded cpu
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IF just for gaming 7800x3d. Ryzen still have cross CCD latency even with x3d. In games 7900 series are actually slower. Then get nonAsus X670 mobo
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post May 21 2024, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ May 20 2024, 10:01 PM)
after a while actually I figured out why the crashes...

its the PCIE riser.. supposed be GEN4 compatible (i even set to GEN 3 in BIOS because if gen4 cant even boot).

i guess, the riser have interference or degrading, hence the random boot/crash..especially in gaming while the power surge/xfer
thanks guys... I'm holding off the purchase for now.....
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If your keeping it for longer, might not be a bad idea to upgrade just the CPU to 5700x3d or 5800x3d considering you dont gain much from the rest when jumping to AM5.
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post May 23 2024, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(overfloe @ May 22 2024, 06:41 PM)
Scooped a gigabutt 4070 ti super gaming oc for rm4k. Usually this model is 4.6k. Can get cheaper Palit GamingPro at 3.6k but decided to get a card with 4yrs warranty and a factory sag bracket.

I'm ok with either camp, but my regular game performs better with nvidia.
Build is now complete. Running a modest curve optimizer -30 on the cpu and stock gpu settings. Temps, noise and performance are great.
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Nice buy, where did you get that deal?

Also very good looking setup but Im glad I dont have a Corsair case. It grinds my gears to see their nameprint is opposite direction of everything else in my system, the mobo wording & CPU cooler wording.
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post Jul 27 2024, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(overfloe @ Jul 26 2024, 03:29 PM)
rclxs0.gif a lot of intel fansi here rclxs0.gif anyway.. 9000 series launch delayed by 2 weeks.

i'm looking forward for the 9700x variant. but based on malaysian pricing, the price is probably close to 9800X3D.
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Look at the Steam surveys, even globally the large majority of PC in use are Intel. Dont expect good pricing from AMD esp new, even 7000series got massive price cuts within 6months after launch.
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post Jul 28 2024, 10:14 AM

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Like Intel, AMD have their own shit to sort. And it give little confidence to buyers if there are other late bugs that they did not catch


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post Jul 29 2024, 01:54 PM

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Once again (allegedly) Malaysia infamous again for screwing things up on a global scale, its the pits if we cannot even get a simple print on the CPUs correct. As some said, the rot is so bad its time for a Change.

Meanwhile I agree with an internet posting "And if you allow me, why did they also delay the review samples due to this? That does not completely makes sense to me. They could have just sent out a note saying "oopsie, we misprinted" and get the reviews done. So... I can't help but think 4D Chess."
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post Jul 31 2024, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(mudkipryan94 @ Jul 31 2024, 07:27 PM)
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err okay chill
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Well its what Msian netizens were saying before, you know what, so now it failing again its time for us to rise up again wat biggrin.gif rclxms.gif
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post Aug 3 2024, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Aug 2 2024, 07:49 AM)
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MLID again. Cant really trust him whether its Intel or AMD. Needs more veritable sources
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post Aug 7 2024, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Aug 7 2024, 11:37 AM)
Kinda curious for the upcoming 9700x . 65W TDP for an 8 core, 5.5ghz is kinda bonkers. Might just upgrade from current 5600x haha
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Much like Intel, AMD ryzen max turbo speed is not achieved when at baseline PBP...
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post Aug 7 2024, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Aug 7 2024, 02:45 PM)
Yeah most likely achieved with PBO maxed out. But even then, 5.5ghz @ ~100w is not a bad trade off imo. Anyway we’ll see in a couple of days time when the reviews are officially out
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AM5 are still hotchips, defaulting to run towards 95oC thermal limit. Even if wattage is ok, the temps are not. I hope Zen5 will not have this habit seen on Zen4.
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post Aug 7 2024, 11:35 PM

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Both Intel & AMD must have pakat to outdo each other in trying to disappoint the market and customers. Funnily now is the best time for AMD to make a run on Intel yet they failed once again.
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Aug 8 2024, 08:52 AM)
OK. 7800x3d still a good buy (until 9800x3d lol).
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If 9000X3D gonna be 3% faster but with 24% more costlier price than 7000X3D you might as well keep the current CPU! lol.gif

Just about every review has the same verdict: its a flop. Plus the memory compatibility issues is prolly why its launch got delayed.
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post Aug 8 2024, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Aug 8 2024, 09:05 AM)
Largely due to the 65W TDP. PBO saves it back by a lot.
As hint by AMD earlier, it is not going to beat X3D in gaming, so gamers should wait for that in next month.

The efficiency in productivity tasks is pretty, even with PBO enabled.  biggrin.gif Gonna get one.
Hard to recommend 9600X.  hmm.gif 6 cores are not going to perform well in games in few years time. Console spec always serve as a good reference, game developers will try to optimize to that direction (8 cores). Could wait for 9600 if you really need that single threaded speed.
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Pulling down to 65W was a bad move as it happen in some benches gotten worse result than predecessor 7700X! This is about as bad as 4060Ti vs 3060Ti level of regression.

By right it shoulda stick to 105W for X version and 65W for nonX, now if both X and nonX is 65W there is crazy overlap of their skus and nobody sane would buy the nonX (unless AMD is trying to push buyers to pay just that bit more for X, taking from Jensen 'the more you buy, the more you save' LOL).

If your buying AM5, just get 7000series as the 9000 price/performance premium just isnt worth it (and AMD is known to massive price drop soon after launch too, wait 6 months for X3D release b4 deciding).
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Aug 8 2024, 09:38 AM)
At this point of time, I don't know how is AMD going to release non-X, maybe with lower quality binned chiplet. I still appreciate the pricing if it is on par with 7800X3D and don't think the price is going to drop, instead there will be price hike for 7800X3D.  rclxm9.gif
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If pricing is on par 7800X3D but loses in games & productivity & power efficiency, better faster get that CPU b4 expected price hike. Then wait for 10000series (or will be 11000?) to come out b4 upgrading. At MSRP, 9000series is a hard pass.

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post Aug 9 2024, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Aug 8 2024, 10:56 AM)
9600X is not really hitting the point but 9700X is ok if you want an efficient productivity processor, so the targeted use case is different. wink.gif The low base clock of 7800X3D hurts a lot in multithreaded workloads, where 9700X performs well with PBO enabled.
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9600X Efficiency productivity is also poor, made worse when compared its cost to others doh.gif


QUOTE(overfloe @ Aug 8 2024, 07:39 PM)
Makes me feel my rm800 7600 a dem good value buy, haha.
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It is at least for AM5 CPUS
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QUOTE(mudkipryan94 @ Aug 9 2024, 10:44 AM)
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/SMMC3RqvHr...mibextid=qi2Omg
official comes

but

KitGuru says 9600X and 9700X okay leh sweat.gif

and from what i know is the AGESA things buat hal kot sweat.gif
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SkatterBencher on 9700X

but anyway I'll see whats B850 mobo with new AGESA code offers the performance as well

but if urgent to build can opt for the 7000 series

-ahem2- and my 2 cents

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From the overall reviewers, bench results are all over the place depending on who review. But many found it no way they could get the official AMD launch results.

Agesa might be it, might also be related to the memory incompatibility issue as some reviewers had to use lower speed RAMs just to get it working.

All in all despite Intel giving them the platter, it has been an epyc disaster for AMD.
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post Aug 10 2024, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 10 2024, 10:36 AM)
another day, another news for x86 cpu vulnerabilities, NOICE
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X86 is like a 50 yo lock, each day there are new way to unlock it.
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post Aug 10 2024, 03:11 PM

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Daniel Owens review suddenly put 9000series "value" in a much poorer position that many youtube reviews would like you to think



TLDR 9000series totally not worth it when comparing either X or nonX SKU 7000series.
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Aug 10 2024, 04:45 PM)
I did mention about this earlier, it is same conclusion. wink.gif Next you will notice 9800X3D that outperforms 7700X/7800X3D/9700 in every aspect with higher TDP. AMD is redefining the role of X3D moving forward after they "fix" the temperature reading, with full core clock at least or faster than the non-X/X.
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But thats where you got it wrong. In terms of efficiency productivity then 7700 has nearly the same as 9700X in power use, in gaming, 7800X3D is better for about same price and 7700X has nearly the same performance per watt but having cheaper street prices (see my DO mindblowing video). So there isnt much justification for 9700X nor 9600X and it would seem their X3D as well. This gen is a hard pass unless AMD can reduce MSRP prices by USD $100 from launch.

Its no so much that AMD is redefining X3D, it has always been top dog segment and its been the Extreme to Intel past equivalent. However AMD has redefined their X (which previous compared to Intel Ksku) downgrading it to vs Intel nonK level except having ability to OC. That again I said makes nonX moot now unless AMD will push it down another segment, but guess what these nonX & nonK parts are at the cheaper price range so AMD is actually overpricing their CPUs vs the market segment of today (again see the DO video).

AMD took advantage of Intel bad news to overcharge their fanbase customers. So early buyers are totally waterfishes for harvest. ranting.gif

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