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post Aug 4 2020, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 3 2020, 11:40 PM)
I have a few question on amd Ryzen.Budget build.
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8K video with VP9 will depends on decoder.
its hard to say and the software decoder is not really optimize as much as gpu accelerated decoder, GPU always win in decoding speed, but if the video was not encoded according to the spec, gpu decoder will not work and performance will suffer.
google does not want to pay the royalties to MPEG LA, hence they're pushing their own format, aka VP9 and the up coming AVI, instead of using the h264 and h265.

imagine all the video on youtube are converted to h265 aaand you have to pay billion to MPEG LA? naaah sweat.gif

H265 are supported in older GPU date back to Vega64 iirc. VP9 require new gpu.
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post Aug 4 2020, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Aug 4 2020, 01:46 PM)
I think you meant AV1 laugh.gif
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lol old skool Avi, anyway Google used to use h264, guess they got tired of paying mpeg la.

and there's another new codec from mpeg,.. h266, h255 feel kinda short-lived
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post Aug 7 2020, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 6 2020, 11:44 PM)
1. So buying any BIOS without a recovery button is still fine.It not able UPS , sometimes , bios will get corrupted if pc is infected with virus on UEFI.So it's the best to have a 2nd BIOS .I will check for which budget motherboard that have it.

2. If in the case , getting a cheaper motherboard socket like B450 is much cost much less than B550.It'll be around 2021 0r 2022 for AM5 , not sure maybe 10 cores?  any news leak about it ?

3. When converting , whether a NVENC gen 6  still costly for turing card 2k series.SO any example video bunny encoding ? you are using 3600 , can tell on how is the performance when converting some video maybe 1080p mp4 vp9 to 1080p hevc 265 without lossing quality or maybe 1-5% is acceptable. Soon av1 in future.

4. What does different model ? using same brand but maybe in future will upgrade to the same model but surely will have a different dies but since i didn't OC do you think is better to get both at the same time ? but i do not need much too much ram 16GB is enough currently.

5. I too do not watch but just wanted to confirm whether 3600 can run 8k youtube build in graphic chipset am4.

6. Maybe find Hyper 212 EVO but what is the fan speed rpm and noise level ? actually what fan Hyper 212 EVO is using if it's silent ?

7. Windows 7 enterprise still support until 2023 if I remember , and there are custom patch for security release.So software only works with windows 7 and windows 10 sometimes is too troublesome with everytime updates takes time , no offline updates for user who only use slow internet smyx speed.

Not sure about USB port , are all usb 3 support backwards to 2.0 ? If not , try to find a motherboard which support USB 2.0 or a pci 2.0 card for usb 2.0 or ps/2 port motherboard or even slimslip 3.0 driver into windows 7 but need to dig which driver compatible.

Thanks I get most of the answer , now just need to research for 3600 vs 3700x speed on converting , suitable motherboard and ram.Hope price will drop at 9.9 or 11.11 promotion + voucher.
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If anyone can test check , lets say download https://peach.blender.org/download/  and convert it to something other format or quality , how long it would take ?
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for 3, converting lossy format to other lossy format will lost quality, it's inevitable, lossy encoder always discard something in the process, it's called generation loss.
if you want to avoid losing quality, don't do anything to the video, that's all.

5. 3600 does not have integrated gpu and am4 mobo does not have one either.
for 8K vp9, you need a bit of luck to get it running on your latest GPU, you need 5 things to get it running, OS, browser, GPU driver, your GPU, and the spec complaint vp9 video, if one is not working and it will fall back into software mode, your CPU will do all the job and suffocate sweat.gif

I mean, blame the shitty optimization on the vp9 software decoder. whistling.gif
it requires a lot of work and very talented programmer to write a fast software decoder, that's decode vp9 8K on 6c/12t cpu...
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post Aug 19 2020, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(Ronin_Amin @ Aug 19 2020, 12:42 AM)
Guys, is it normal for 3700x to average at around 60c with chrome tabs on stock cooler and everything else default?
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what is your ambient temp?
mine is 28c ambient, hovering around 48c on 360 aio.
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post Nov 6 2020, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(kllonely1 @ Nov 5 2020, 10:26 PM)
mahal gila,
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not if you compare with i9 10900k?
with amd is very cheap already, im still stuck on b350m but running 3700x, too lazy to upgrade mobo lol

good luck changing from i9 9900k to i9 10900k.
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post Nov 7 2020, 10:33 PM

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I remember my hd4890 has a freaking warning high temp sticker on it...

60 to 80c are nothing actually, if your case ventilation is good.
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post Dec 1 2020, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(sonyfanzz @ Dec 1 2020, 06:38 PM)
yeah artic p14 is the best 140mm fan, some review show it even beats noctua's 140mm. underrated fan
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for quiet fan, you cant go wrong with GentleTyphoon, but sadly there's no 140mm version.

For noctual fan, avoid the old version one, especially the one with rounded frame, it's noisy with audible hum, im running 2 on my Fractal design casing,
the only good thing about this fan is it's a tank and wont dying as fast as other sleeve bearing fans lol
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post Dec 28 2020, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(h11g @ Dec 28 2020, 09:50 PM)
what app is this?
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GOG Galaxy https://www.gog.com/galaxy
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post Jan 17 2021, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jan 16 2021, 08:30 PM)
See this support ticket.

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I think I'll go MSI or Asus on next board.
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Been eyeing on b550m tomahawk for a while, looks like pretty safe to get it, but gonna wait for restock, sadly
looks like AMD builds is selling like hot cakes in singapore here
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post Jan 20 2021, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(popopi @ Jan 20 2021, 03:38 PM)
Intel GG already, now is time for Intel to catch up...
now with new CEO. if want catch also minimum few years...
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Intel might be gg on DIY market,
corporate customer still buying pc with intel CPU, my workplace workstation, lappy, tablet are 100% intel CPU + GPU.
most of them dont really cares about internal tech.

all the lab instrument my company produce are still using intel celeron sweat.gif
WITH Windows 10... running program from usb drive takes sweets 10 minutes because dumbass windows defender will scan the drive every single time lol
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post Jan 21 2021, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 21 2021, 12:35 PM)
As long as it's Intel laugh.gif
TBH those not so IT savvy just see the brand without realizing Celeron and i7/i9 performance gap is very huge.
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My line lead complained to One of the manager, our tablet battery only last 2 hours, he said: why? it's an i7 !! sweat.gif

most of them are clueless, while the Dell tablet they purchased are really fast, 802.11ax, i7 85xx something, i used it to run image analyzing software Fiji, it was amazing but you have to get it charged at all time lol.

The bettery life is the worst, with Win10 enterprise = double whammy.
most of the time the operators there only use it for access web interface for Camstar, cheap ipad or android table are more suitable for it.
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post Jan 22 2021, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jan 21 2021, 02:07 PM)
the price gap also very huge  tongue.gif
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They use celeron on instrument, most probably cant simply change the single board computer, it would require new design new approval from upper management and blah blah.
One cost 50K USD for analyze protien, another cost 250K USD just to analyze DNA...

Celeron seems adequate for the propose, just running the testing software suite is unbearably slow.
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post Mar 12 2021, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Mar 12 2021, 05:53 PM)
5950X PBO mode + OC-ed GTX970 + six 3.5" HDDs + 2 NVME SSDs + 4 external HDDs + 4 DIMMs RAM OC-ed + X570 mainboard (chipset, soundchip, LAN chips, onboard bluetooth + WLAN etc) + 4 120mm fans.

I think it way over what Seasonic M12 520W PSU can supply considering the efficiency is 80% = 416W effective.

Using "ECO Mode 65W" at BIOS limit the actual CPU usage to 95W. Pretty much no random reboot now.

Guess the overheated PSU has issue delivering low voltage/current after heavy loading. When I think about it, the random reboot blue screen and no blue screen reboot happened after I ended a heavy session.
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You misalculated the 80plus PSU, your PSU still using 520W at full load, but it draw 600+ Watt from socket, remaining 20% become heat, that's what 80plus means.
The higher the efficiency, the lower the heat.
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post Mar 13 2021, 12:17 PM

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Depends on what you have installed and what service are running at background, My 3700x always 1.4v, i tried to disable PBO but it does not help,
i enabled more aggressive one anyway lol

I can only tell my PC is idle once the casing fans become quiet = CPU voltage = ~1v

Currently running with PBO 10x scale, every other thing else is auto, mobo = B350 Mortar Arctic
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post Mar 13 2021, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 13 2021, 02:13 AM)
It depends on what is running on the background as well. We have doing nothing idle or playing music in the background idle or YouTube/video playing in the background idle.

Doing nothing idle with no running apps, definitely temps and voltage will be lower as the ccx will enter sleep state like yours. If that’s the case, might as well just shut down the PC.

But the other 2 then will be a different case. for my case, I have a music player running and the voltage will be locked to 1.3 to 1.4v... I think john also. anything light at the background will affect the sleep state such as rgb software, monitoring tools, afterburner, i torrent etc.

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Meanwhile this is my 10400F temps when youtube is running. room temp is 28C~ no aircond lolol.
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Youtube now only use VP9/AV1, older GPU without VP9 hardware assisted GPU decoding are GGed, cpu does all the work and toasty warm~~~

the only fix is force youtube streaming in AVC/H264 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/h264ify/
no more noisy fan noise accompany you after that lol
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post Mar 13 2021, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 13 2021, 01:20 PM)
i have departed from ryzen and using intel now haha but i could check this out on the rigs i build for friends. Altho they are the kind who dont give a damn eventho their cpu is idling at 60C... as long as their pc works then it's fine.
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youtube preserve h264 format for older android device, else VP9 will choke older android hardware to death, become batttery draining monster.
most end user does not really care, i know them every well.

h264 are already matured and optimized, even without gpu decoding it will not be power hog.
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post Mar 13 2021, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Mar 13 2021, 06:16 PM)
Just tried. No difference.  sad.gif

I also tried to load default at BIOS and use older BIOS at gigabyte support website to no avail.
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if something is using your CPU, cores will not go to sleep,
i mean, no need to worry about too much.

If powerbill is your concern, set it to powersave mode and it will scale down to .9v
my profile was set to performance mode without any good reason... my pc never went sleep when idle until i changed to balanced power profile.
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post Mar 13 2021, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Mar 13 2021, 09:03 PM)
Power bill isn't an issue.

Just the stark contrast between my Zen 2 and Zen 3 behaviour make me feel anxious.  sweat.gif
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Is that your workstation or gaming pc? Try to reduce the amount of background process, don't let too much game client running on background.
Window 10 optimization or maybe the cpu scheduler need another fix, it's a shitty os anyway
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post Mar 14 2021, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Mar 14 2021, 01:24 AM)
Maybe some setting wrong? Can't be so much usage if all write to RAM drive.
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If he daily shutdown the PC, and the ramdrive utility save the ramdrive state everyday = tons of write everyday lol
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post Mar 14 2021, 02:55 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 14 2021, 12:23 AM)
cant really blame the OS when the problem is only experienced on ryzen lol. Besides, ryzen also have pretty high idle voltage and temps on linux as well.

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I tried to use hwinfo, it is just sucking the CPU power only polling the data every 2 second?...
Anyway unless Ryzen Master is bugged , my CPU only use 10w + 8w SoC, and running at 37c at idle. your reply become increasingly biased because you had bad experience with AMD.

AMD is way much smaller company compare to Intel, software wise much improvement is needed, and they are still hiring Linux software engineers, GPU department they are pretty well done already.


Also i work as lab instrument tester, i deal with Windows 10 everyday, occasionally linux machine too,
for me Windows 10 stability is a nightmare and slow as snail,
1. instrument that running linux is much more robust than Windows, i dont have to shutdown the linux powered instrument, sudden power loss on it has zero impact, while Windows counterpart will greet you with bluescreen, the only way to access it is reinstall Windows.
2. Windows defender realtime scanning, you can only turn if off temporary, the antimalware scanner will run everytime you execute some program.
i mean, the program does not even cache the scanned executable nor memorize the program im running everyday, i can make a coffee and back to my cell in time while i waiting the testing program ready to be used,
The windows antimalware scanner is just another power virus to me.
3. boot up time is another win for Linux, while a watered down Windows 10, a paid OS is booting 3 time slower on same hardware.

Mission critical OS dont use Windows servers, nobody want to use Windows on a life support instrument anyway.

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