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post Mar 25 2024, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Mar 25 2024, 01:31 AM)
Actually traditional X86 is rickety and built on architecture that is showing its age with the current limits of silicon tech. There are many alternative, yes ARM too, and Intel tried to move away with IA64 but due to compatibility with current software ecosystem, there is still no way to divorce from X86. Maybe will change when silicon tech replace with something else.
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X86 has many legacy stuff they keep in silicon to ensure the old software wont break but it come with a cost, power consumption
it's growing too complex and many of the software didnt fully utilize the cpu, like those instructions set, they add a new every new architecture released,

like why many of the game and software you run max ghz and it runs like a space heater, but performance still shit because part of "brain" did not get used, what they use is just raw power. the smart part of the cpu just take a back seat.

and to make sure the software run at optimal performance you have to optimize your software, preferably using the instruction set that available in the latest CPU,
sounds like easy? noooo
https://www.amd.com/en/search/documentation...factor=Desktops
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/dev.../intel-sdm.html

those are the pdfs they need to read if the game developer want their game runs with butterlysmooth FPS while no need top end hardware, so why many newly released games runs like dogshit? the upper management just want the game faster out, means the game devs has less time to optimize,
collect money first, release patch later, remember cyberpunk 2077?

cpu developer guide arent just the stuff they need to understand, there are SDK for graphic renderer/game engine, Directx 12, Vulkan, then you want more platform support? IOS, Android then Playstation...

newer cpu architecture like RISC-V and ARM surely will replace the archaic x86 if they could not keep up with the performance.
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post Aug 10 2024, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Aug 10 2024, 10:19 AM)
another day, another news for x86 cpu vulnerabilities, NOICE
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post Aug 11 2024, 02:24 PM

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For video encoding, unless one chasing for low bitrate with high quality, and for archiving propose,
for high performance live streaming GPU accelerated encoding would be wiser choice because performance hit is minimal compares to CPU which your FPS will tank
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post Aug 12 2024, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 12 2024, 08:21 AM)
Nvidia Shadowplay, nothing comes close if utuber gamer streamer wanna make a living.

Your correct that for video archiving, have to use CPU for encoding for best quality. So far I tried without Quicksync tho (mine Fsku), not sure QS is will actually come out the same but faster. However its true that NVENC does it at faster speed with higher file size but if want quick & dirty encodes, using GPU is better.
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GPU encoder is faster due to it being optimized for streaming and low latency, thus sacrificing quality,
for visually lossless they usually use more than 10mbps.

Last time i tried, AMD VCE is still shit compares to x264, or nvenc,

CPU encoder such as x264/x265 etc can be faster too but faster = lower quality., to avoid macroblocking you have to raise the bit rate.
there were few attempt to add openCL to the cpu encoder but many of them did not made into the official codec.

their latest attempt is Vulkan powered https://www.phoronix.com/news/FFmpeg-Adds-V...an-Video-Encode
vulkan being platform independent and a lot of hardware/software use ffmpeg, this is generally good news to everyone
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post Aug 17 2024, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 17 2024, 03:46 PM)
As an iGPU only CPU, the 8700G is very good, technically nothing else matches it

https://www.techspot.com/review/2796-amd-ryzen-8700g/

Which is an odd duck as while its a 7000series based, it can leverage on higher DDR5 EXPO up to 6400MHZ and this shines an even poorer light on 9000series as the "newer" generation defaults back to a max of 6000MHZ. A backwards move.

The only problem with this Gsku is the pricing which if you decide to add on a DGPU later it actually does worse than equivalent priced 7700.
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dual GPU is actually good if you play games that does not require full fledge GPU, dGPU will do the job
but setup might be complicated, typical game might not have option to choose gpu, you have to force it by connect the HDMI/DP to mobo in order to use iGP

option to choose GPU only exist on some AAA title iirc.
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post Aug 17 2024, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Aug 17 2024, 08:31 PM)
The only reason I want iGPU is to get rid of dedicated GPU and still be able to play most game at 1080p easily. However I dont think that's the case even with 8700G. It cant even match RX580 from 2016. Why would I spent so much on the APU when you get more from RX580 easily.
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Let the RX580 rest in peace,
newer title will work better with newer GPU, because they're more focus on optimize for new drivers.

it really depends on what games you're playing, for me im just happy with my 680m from lappy, it play most the games i have except some due to RAM limitation (Doom Eternal)

I plays most of my games in 1080p on my 4K monitor (FSR Sharpening strength 100%) sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Aug 17 2024, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 17 2024, 10:17 PM)
Wow you can still play with 680m? My laptop with 660m was retired couple years ago since it could barely even run COD MWR
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the games i play arent that demanding, mostly from hoyoverse, i can play cp2077 as well, everythng low in GQ.
nowadays i dont really buying new games, except those like Robocop, Talos of principle, and Dead space ect,

But Dead Space i would wait for new lappy, my Lenovo lappy is reach 2 years pf usage, battery already degraded.
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post Aug 17 2024, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 17 2024, 10:13 PM)
Nvidia Optimus used to do that switchover seamlessly as my past laptop never had any issue of wrongly assigning which GPU to use when gaming (the GTX) or back in Windows (Intel igpu). I think that AMD shoulda gotten this sorted out by now right? Not sure with AMD but with Intel built in igpu has pass thru to the mobo HDMI for either igpu or DGPU usage.
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I think that only works with lappy, for desktop seamlessly switching i dont think its possible,
I used to play with Nvidia + Radeon gpu, thing works like Radeon for rendering but gpu processing done in Nvidia gpu.

And PhysX + Radeon ect, it was donkey years ago, it worked but nvidia disabled it and i sold my older geforce gpu off.

For new lappy i dont have preference, lappy with Radeon dGPU is very rare, mostly dominated by RTX
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post Aug 18 2024, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 18 2024, 11:12 AM)
When you mention cp2077 being playable I just realised your referring to Radeon 680m circa 2022 rather than Kepler GTX 680m circa 2012.  sweat.gif

But yeah for newer games igpu just isnt good enough and Im surprised you could game with cp2077.
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Lol GTX 680m probably can plays only very old games,

My lappy soc is R7 6800HS, iGP is 680M, and i won the bet anyway since i didnt know the igp capabilities,
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post Aug 19 2024, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 18 2024, 11:21 PM)
Laptop you cant  do much unless your using external GPU dock
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The real limit is the ram, 16gb I can't even launch doom eternal even at 480p, it keep saying ram not enough

Older titles are fine though
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post Aug 19 2024, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 19 2024, 10:10 AM)
I suspect insufficient RAM buffer bcoz your iGPU ady start to makan 4-6 GB then not much left on system RAM to load the game properly.
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I don't remember there's setting for vram in bios, Lenovo efi setting is very bare unlike asus
My Asus mini PC with r7 5700u can set vram for the igp.

Another sus is windows 11, and the truck load of background services...

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post Oct 19 2024, 01:00 PM

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https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/new....html#gs.gbr1x8

well well well
they formed this due to rising thread from ARM
Plus there are news about Qualcomm was going to buyout Intel
looks like aint going to happen
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post Oct 19 2024, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Oct 19 2024, 01:37 PM)
Anti competition committee is going to disallow it anyway. wink.gif
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there are 2 players could pull that off
nvidia or Qualcomm
Nvidia could buy ARM but it was blocked.

the rest seems not interested.

if Intel screw up again, stock price plumed, mass layoff, etc, it could its last.
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post Oct 19 2024, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Oct 19 2024, 07:42 PM)
Intel's position is still ok for now with Core Ultra 200 series competitive against Zen 5.
AMD was in way worse position. biggrin.gif
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im glad that nobody was interested to ruin, i mean, buy AMD
so i can have that cheap octacore APU x86 lappy lol
or that high end GPU that can rival nvidia highest offering.
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post Oct 4 2025, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 27 2025, 01:27 PM)
Dont just trust reddit esp when real facts can be had from more legit sources such as Techpowerup, Techspot/HUB, Guru3D, etc. Reddit just bunch of peeps spewing whats in their head whether its true or not.
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Yep, Reddit is not source of tech knowledge, just like LYN here, unless cited with source
when you need good source info, benchmark ect, Techpowerup, Guru3D, most tech site,
info from reddit or whatever forumer comment can be taken with truck of salts

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