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post Aug 14 2019, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(krayden @ Aug 14 2019, 08:05 PM)
I just checked in HK today. Neo stock not in yet.
3600Mhz CL 14-15-15-35, 2 x 8GB
HKD2640
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why would you want to spend so much for a 2x8 kit you're not gonna use above 3800?!

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post Aug 14 2019, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(Ronin_Amin @ Aug 14 2019, 08:20 PM)
this one is neo? actually what is the differenct? frequency and timing also same as regular trident z? https://www.lelong.com.my/g-skill-trident-z...0-08-Sale-P.htm
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> F4-3600C18D-16GTZN

And not even on the B-Die list I checked.


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post Aug 14 2019, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Aug 14 2019, 08:30 PM)
3600mhz C18 definitely not Bdie, Bdie is with 3600mhz C16
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just buy a cheaper b-die kit and set timings yourself if the price is anywhere close to the quoted price in hkd.
both my b-die kits do 14-14-16-30 and 14-14-15-28 on ryzen 3000 respectively. even a bad kit will still give you 16-16-17-34 probably.
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post Aug 14 2019, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Aug 14 2019, 08:35 PM)
The problem is other cheap Bdie kits doesn't have bling bling LED like GSkill
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biggrin.gif if it must be g.skill trident z then your 'cheap' options are limited.

cheapest might be this one (on lelong at least)


edit: cheaper on lazada, at least

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post Aug 14 2019, 08:54 PM

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or if Kingston is an option,
HX436C17PB3AK2/16
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post Aug 14 2019, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Aug 14 2019, 08:53 PM)
I got already 2 sets, but mine are F4-3200C14D-16GTZR (without X, X is optimized for AMD, non X optimized for Intel), i bought both sets from oversea before GSkill came out with X version, and yes very expensive because that time RAM price started increased.
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then go ahead and set the timings yourself... and save all that money biggrin.gif
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post Aug 14 2019, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(Ronin_Amin @ Aug 14 2019, 09:00 PM)
I'm a bit confused about b-die, e-die ram,
The ones you linked are slower in frequency but lower timing, so to get the full potential you much overclock the frequency higher? Is it guaranteed to be able to achieve higher speeds?
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For Malaysia it's mostly B-dies. I couldn't find an E-die set here and ordered from overseas.

Then regarding your frequency/timing question... with timings and frequency you can calculate latency.
But usually all B-dies I put my hands on so far overclocked or were able to run with tighter settings. And this is why you should buy them for. There surely is room for improvement if you have the time to do stability testing over night.

3600-3800 is sweet spot for gaming on ryzen 3000, for example. and I'm pretty sure the vast majority of b-dies will be able to run in that range.

From my testing 16-17-17-36 on 3800 (with fclk on 1900 obviously) is running better when benching compared to 14-14-15-28 on 3600.
However my 3700x doesn't do an fclk above 1833 without causing instability. So I only have 1 system running on 3800.
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post Aug 15 2019, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Aug 15 2019, 09:26 PM)
Seems stable at 1.39V but if cold boot, PC won't start and automatically reset to 2400. I apply back 3200MHz CL14 in BIOS, boot windows and PC works just fine. Memtest also no error. Weird. Any advice?
Well at least got shop willing to do it unlike me haha... blush.gif
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check procodt/rtt/cad; adjust accordingly and see if system will boot
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post Aug 16 2019, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Aug 16 2019, 09:36 AM)
I think i left them on auto. Will have a look later. Really new to this lol.
Ya Gigabyte B450M DS3H. I'm on 42b.
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use ryzen timing checker or easier, ryzen master to take a screenshot of your settings for ram.
post here (including info on the ram used, ram slots used) and we'll see.
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post Aug 16 2019, 01:36 PM

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oh and please check and tell what value the cldo_vddp has prior to applying your profile.

and after you apply, does the board do a cold reboot once you hit "save and reboot"?
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post Aug 16 2019, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Aug 16 2019, 10:07 PM)
I didn't exactly follow all the DRAM calculator settings previously. Only up to ram voltage. I did apply the rest of the settings (procodt etc) today and played with cldo vddp but still wont cold boot. Ram voltage is min 1.39 or else it won't boot at all, setting vddp to 0.9 and soc to 1.05 can warm boot but if i set vddp all the way to 1.1v and soc to 1.1v still can't cold boot. :x
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I was asking for vddp cuz it only applies after a cold boot. Which could be a reason for your board not cold starting. But if you checked a low, (auto), and a high setting and all didn't improve things it's probably not the culprit.

See if playing with procodt/rtt/cad will allow you to boot.

Without more info from your side it's just guessing work.

If you don't feel comfortable adjusting all those just wait for the next bios update.
Maybe with abb agesa the compatibility will be improved for your ram.

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post Aug 18 2019, 11:05 AM

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what AMDAthlon said thumbup.gif

as long as your voltage is not stuck everything is fine with your cpu.

generally amd is inferior to intel when it comes to lowering frequency. however superior with as low as voltages for ccx' can be dropped.

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post Aug 20 2019, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(PedangGila @ Aug 20 2019, 08:38 PM)
I got duped by STUPIAK MSI B450 TOMAHAWK trying to OC a 3.2Ghz Kingston Fury to 3.6Ghz. This mobo stuck, not even trying to boot to BIOS and gave me a CPU LED red light for like an hour. I dunno how many I killed the power then restart but to no avail.

Tried to clear CMOS but the jumper is no where to be found even looking for its position in manual. Nothing in the house sensible enough to be turned into a freaking jumper. So I had to go to pc service shop asking to buy a jumper but luckily the staff, after digging thru his relics, found a jumper and gave me one for free.

I had to buy a thumbdrive, 16GB because that's the lowest I can find, then go to cc to download BIOS file, as a backup plan if CMOS clear isn't working.

Add to that, I have to leave work early giving an excuse of fixing my computer to a staff who's doesn't have the right power to release me off from duty. Prolly I might get a heat tomorrow because of this stupid mobo.

Clear CMOS worked but I really lost confidence with this mobo really.
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The jumper really not included, I can confirm this as I bought a b450 tomahawk board myself for a budget build.

Small piece of advise. If you do memory oc on a budget board without a dedicated cmos button... connect your casings restart button to the jbat1.
Makes it super easy, and once everything is stable you just pull it off n stick it where it belongs, should you ever need that restart button after all.
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QUOTE(PedangGila @ Aug 20 2019, 09:34 PM)
My goodness facepalm MSI and many thanks. I think my previous MSI board budget for i3 even got a jumper hanging on one of the JBAT pin.

Im guessing that I have to hold the reset button for 10secs or so?
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No. You turn off your PC, then press the reset button once (no need to hold) and then hit power again. Done
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post Aug 21 2019, 07:18 PM

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Since you guys talking bout msi bios' now. Abb agesa should be out within the next 10 days for b450 x470 msi boards. According to MSI Germany.
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post Aug 28 2019, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(climacool @ Aug 28 2019, 04:26 PM)
I heard few computer shop said next month. Hopefully no raise price 🤔

Will on hold to purchase Msi b450 tomahawk until release of MAX version 😊
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you spend so much time in the bios or you can't stand the simple interface? biggrin.gif

Unless for little higher resale value I think the non max is pretty OK
I have it myself (for 2 more weeks) and the most annoying thing is having to save profiles on usb.
The 'basic' but fully featured interface itself I actually prefer over the regular one.
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post Aug 29 2019, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Aug 29 2019, 07:24 AM)
Other than the BIOS, the USB and RAM speed support get refreshed as well.  smile.gif
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USB refresh? where - see edit -

For ram they just done testing and added to compatibility list, there will not be any actual additional support.
I'm running E-Dies on 3800C16 on the non max myself.

All they do is replacing the 128 with a 256 bios chip, and give you back the flashy bios.

Edit: OIC, they write 3.2 vs 3.1 usb. But since they state maximum bandwidth 10Gbps that's still 3.1 speed and therefore no actual improvement.

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post Sep 2 2019, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(chrischiang @ Sep 2 2019, 12:42 AM)
hello,i got some question, just got my 3700x last weekend..

i paired with x470 gaming pro carbon.. i got pbo set to auto.. i check it stay 4.2Ghz even on idle when i do nothing.. is this normal??

i using wraith prism and my idle temp 50-55 is this normal? how well will it be if i switch to 240 aio??

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if it's pbo enabled and stuck at high voltage your temps are normal.


1) update to the 7B78v2B1 bios, was quite good on my board
2) disable pbo
3) install latest chipset driver from amd

then your power plan should automatically be on the latest ryzen balanced setting.

4) install ryzen master/hwinfo64 and check idle voltages

if still any issue its either some bios setting you edited (unlikely as u'll be on default after bios upgrade), or some tool you installed is preventing idle state on cpu. feedback in that case
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post Sep 3 2019, 12:09 PM

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3950x this month rclxm9.gif

let's see if it'll be September 7th or 9th.
or if they use one of their events to launch it (maybe IBC Amsterdam?)

the 3900x was surprisingly available in high numbers on Malaysian launch (compared to Europe), so if that pattern continues with the 3950x I'd be happy.

hopefully they binned the chiplets properly for 3950x and you get two good ones. 4.3 all core on <1.4V cool2.gif
probably won't see 4.7 single core boost on the vast majority of them but as long as it's above 4.5 above on high load that's fine with me.
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post Sep 3 2019, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(chrischiang @ Sep 3 2019, 01:40 PM)
hi yes im on 7B78v2B1 version and installed latest chipset driver from amd..
I only make 2 changes in bios.. enabled xmp profile and set cpu voltage to offset -0.1v.
I only install msi default software not sure does that cause the cpu to stay 4.2?
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did you check frequencies in ryzen master?
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install hwinfo64. run sensors only. then u let it run few minutes and let us know what your voltages are (minimum and maximum)

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if minimum is 0.9xxV and maximum 1.4xxV then you have nothing to worry, it'll be OK.

if you do not want to change the boxed cooler (I have never tried mine, and my watercooler is controlled by corsair commander) you need to adjust fan curves (just like vernon pointed out below)
in your BIOS: Advanced->Hardware Monitor->CpuFan1 (if you connected it there)

there you find 4 levels for temp and the according fan speed as well as step up and down times (I hope they are working)

first I'd play around a bit with stepping times (especially step up) a bit and assign values of 3 or 5 seconds to see if this will help (the fan should take 'n' seconds to reach the appropriate speed, ideally linear)

if this doesn't work or help you need to play around with the temp/speed levels to flatten the fancurve.

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