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lolzcalvin
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Feb 1 2020, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jan 31 2020, 10:18 PM) Because those high speed tight timing RAM is extremely expensive. Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/G-SKILL-Trident-Z-...N-/133187012814too bad then. I intended to only look for 3600MHz 16-16-16-36 or 3200 14-14-14-34. I remembered lingloong a.k.a. dotatech once sold the 3200 CL14 variant but out of stock.
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lolzcalvin
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Mar 6 2020, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(nrw @ Mar 6 2020, 03:34 PM) Yup, Malaysia is infected by RGB lovers, can tell that from my sales alone 😂. C18 for 3600 is not really that good, maybe thats why that kit is not as popular. But nevertheless its a good choice for Zen2 if you just want to load the profile and not fiddle around. it's not about people choosing CL18 3600MHz trident z neo for its rgb, it's just that no seller is selling anything other than the weakest latency from most common frequencies. i've been looking for 3200 CL14/3600 CL16 locally (4x8) without success.
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lolzcalvin
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Mar 6 2020, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(quarantined @ Mar 6 2020, 02:58 PM) Same here. Wish I've known it sooner.. now RGB (without gud software) really can go dai People who are looking for a good affordable air cooler can try Scythe Fuma 2. Super quiet and great compatibility. i've already mitigated the problem by manually overclocking my CPU (manual voltage and frequency multiplier) 😏 two birds with one stone for me
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lolzcalvin
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Mar 9 2020, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(kosuke09211 @ Mar 9 2020, 08:17 AM) Looking to getting a X570 board here's are the few options im looking at. MSI MEG X570 Unify Asus ROG Strix X570-F Gaming Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus [Wi-Fi] Gigabyte X570 AORUS Elite Wifi (Heard gigabyte has some shit bios?) ASRock X570 Taichi. Pairing it with 3700x. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7PkZwY9PWMTUF Gaming is the best. Gigabyte does have a more buggy bios but the build quality is excellent.
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lolzcalvin
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Mar 9 2020, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(XiuKeong @ Mar 9 2020, 02:25 PM) Planning to upgrade my 6700k to AMD. Not sure the below spec is good pairing. Ryzen 5 3600 Asus TUF Gaming Corsair Vengeance 3600Mhz for gaming purpose only? if for gaming purpose only, unfortunately not much different on gaming performance between 6700K and Ryzen 3600. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCV9yyD8X6MThis post has been edited by lolzcalvin: Mar 9 2020, 03:08 PM
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lolzcalvin
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Mar 9 2020, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(Irishcoffee @ Mar 9 2020, 11:36 AM) hi, i just bought ryzen 3600 last week, im using my old ram corsair vengeance 2666mhz from my old system. i heard ryzen is best pair is 3600mhz ram, shld i upgrade the ram to gain performance improvement for ryzen cpu? no significant gain in performance in terms of gaming, but still noticeable when you swtich from 2666MHz to 3600MHz, even if the 3600MHz one has higher latency (usually in malaysia you can only find 3600MHz CL18 - 18 is the CAS latency) because the frequency per second helps mitigate the latency drawback. also, better RAM helps a lot in certain productivity workloads such as lightroom and sometimes compression/decompression. This post has been edited by lolzcalvin: Mar 9 2020, 09:39 PM
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lolzcalvin
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Mar 9 2020, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(XiuKeong @ Mar 9 2020, 03:12 PM) Photoshop and lightroom too then it should perform good if not better than 6700K. Corsair Vengeance 3600Mhz will help a lot, make sure you get the dual channel kits.
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lolzcalvin
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Mar 13 2020, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE(kosuke09211 @ Mar 12 2020, 08:24 PM) Btw so far you have any issue with your Aorus Master? Like bios and stuff. yes, issues with bios. i've cross-checked with friend who purchased aorus master as well. the bios doesn't like to properly save settings after entering BIOS via restarting from windows. quite a hindrance since I do overclocking. after some trials and errors it seems like it'll properly save only if you enter BIOS after shutting down your PC and turning it back on. used the reset CMOS button plenty of times as well, and there's also a bug where the button doesn't clear off the manual settings you set under Settings > AMD Overclocking section so I highly recommend against that section to configure overclock, should just use the tweaker tab instead as it covers pretty much everything. and the reset CMOS button does clear manual inputs to the tweaker tab. otherwise, the entire motherboard is of premium quality. and you won't go into BIOS for a long time after you settle down the best settings. This post has been edited by lolzcalvin: Mar 13 2020, 01:25 AM
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lolzcalvin
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Mar 13 2020, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(nrw @ Mar 13 2020, 09:33 AM) you're certain this is not down to switching to the other bios? seems very odd that a properly conducted cmos clear will not reset everything. otherwise ... power disconnected when you clear? btw when I think of amd oc section there are very few settings worth modifying which are available exclusively there. if it was switching to the other backup bios, it would've been pretty obvious, because the primary bios is version F11 (updated myself) and backup bios is version F5 (not updated). there is an extra shortcut in version F5 during boot. There was once the BIOS triggered a failsafe and rolled into backup bios without me flipping the bios switch from the motherboard because it thought my primary BIOS was borked. not until i completely shut down my PC, turn off the power outlet for 15 seconds, turn it back on and the primary BIOS is back on again. turned out it didn't set the DRAM voltage to 1.35V, instead it was trying to load 1.2V on XMP. happened to my friend who bought the same mobo as well. CMOS button won't clear the section under AMD Overclocking, tested with F11. but usually people shouldn't bother setting anything there as the tweaker tab covers pretty much everything that section could offer. Gigabyte should've just removed it.
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lolzcalvin
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May 3 2020, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE(claudetan @ May 3 2020, 07:52 PM) sry, see wrongly, 89 degree still high tho ... usually i use handbrake to simulate real world task. prime95 especially small fft not simulating actual real world tasks...it's really torturing the CPU. even with after market cooler when OC you'd go over 100c without surprise
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lolzcalvin
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Jun 9 2020, 12:57 PM
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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-bur...en-cpu-lifespan» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE Ryzen Burnout? AMD Board Power Cheats May Shorten CPU Lifespan
Unbeknownst to you, your motherboard may be silently killing your Ryzen processor faster than expected. HWinfo introduced a new feature today that the vendor says exposes that some X570 motherboard vendors are clandestinely misreporting key measurements to AMD's Ryzen processors, thus boosting performance. Unfortunately, this tactic is similar to overclocking, but occurs at stock settings. As a result, the chip draws more power and generates more heat, thus potentially reducing the lifespan of Ryzen chips – but all without the user's knowledge.
It's a common practice for motherboard vendors to adjust the chip's stock power limits to squeeze out more performance from a processor, thus positioning their motherboards as faster than competing models. In fact, nearly every motherboard vendor makes adjustments with Intel's chips, but there's a big difference: Intel expressly approves and even encourages motherboard vendors to adjust power limits to differentiate their products, and those adjustments don't impact chip longevity within the warranty period.
According to a post by The Stilt on HWinfo forums, the method used by some motherboard vendors to boost performance on X570 motherboards consists of the motherboard willfully misrepresenting power consumption to Ryzen processors that are assigned to operate at normal stock settings. In contrast to the approach taken with Intel processors, this practice reportedly isn't sanctioned by AMD and could result in a shorter lifespan for the chip.
The Stilt's post is worth reading over for the details, but here's a nice summation from the report:
"In short: Some motherboard manufacturers intentionally declare an incorrect (too small) motherboard specific reference value in AGESA. Since AM4 Ryzen CPUs rely on telemetry sourced from the motherboard VRM to determine their power consumption, declaring an incorrect reference value will affect the power consumption seen by the CPU. For instance, if the motherboard manufacturer would declare 50% of the correct value, the CPU would think it consumes half the power than it actually does.
"In this case, the CPU would allow itself to consume twice the power of its set power limits, even when at stock. It allows the CPU to clock higher due to the effectively lifted power limits; however, it also makes the CPU run hotter and potentially negatively affects its life-span, the same ways as overclocking does. The difference compared to overclocking or using AMD PBO, is that this is done completely clandestine and that in the past, there has been no way for most of the end-users to detect it, or react to it."
HWinfo's new tool provides a means for users to determine if their motherboard is lying to their Ryzen chips with the rationale that, "Since at least two of the largest motherboard manufacturers still insist on using this exploit to gain an advantage over their competitors despite being constantly asked and told not to, we thought it would be only fair to allow the consumers to see if their boards are doing something they're not supposed to do."
"I'd like to stress that despite this exploit is essentially made possible by something AMD has included in the specification, the use of this exploit is not something AMD condones with, let alone promotes. Instead they have rather actively put pressure on the motherboard manufacturers, who have been caught using this exploit," The Stilt added.
HWinfo's new "CPU Power Reporting Deviation" feature allows a user to detect any shenanigans in the motherboard firmware, and it's free to download and use. You simply have to put your CPU under load by using any common multi-threaded test (Cinebench R20 is recommended) and then monitor the value to see its relation to 100%, which represents that the motherboard is feeding correct values to the Ryzen processor so it can modulate performance within expected tolerances.
go and check your motherboard with this new metric and see how much % did your mobo lied about.
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lolzcalvin
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Jun 17 2020, 11:12 AM
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it's just like 9900KS, does not mean 9900K straight into EOL. the XT CPUs are probably a better binned product, who knows if it can do all core 4.6GHz  a few of my 3900X cores can't stabilise at 4.4GHz but runs perfectly at 4.3 all core OC. the XT CPUs are just like a mini response to intel 10th gen since I fail to see that it can go head to head on intel's gaming performance. the actual response to intel 10th gen should be Zen 3 instead.
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lolzcalvin
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Jun 18 2020, 11:11 AM
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got new bios for at least x570 to support new XT CPUs. F20a which is also came with changes from F12.
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lolzcalvin
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Jun 19 2020, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 18 2020, 06:17 PM) anyone upgraded to the agesa 1.0.0.6 for their motherboard? i've already upgraded to latest. i still need to test for at least a few days or weeks. previous agesa 1.0.0.4 b brought a lot of memory problems for me on my x570 aorus master.
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lolzcalvin
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Jun 25 2020, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jun 18 2020, 06:17 PM) anyone upgraded to the agesa 1.0.0.6 for their motherboard? QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Jun 19 2020, 07:31 PM) i've already upgraded to latest. i still need to test for at least a few days or weeks. previous agesa 1.0.0.4 b brought a lot of memory problems for me on my x570 aorus master. update a bit...my memory problems did not reappear since the upgrade. looks like fine.
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lolzcalvin
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Jun 27 2020, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Jun 27 2020, 10:07 AM) Obviously you are not very smart eh? i mean i don't even understand what he's trying to babble about. "Never trust a brand that not proven by many unless the 1st unavailable" did he just come here to talk shit about a brand that has been proven by many if not all to be ultra reliable?
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lolzcalvin
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Nov 5 2020, 11:37 PM
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anyone knows any place to pre-order 5900X locally?  since it hasn't hit the shelf at this moment yet
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lolzcalvin
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Nov 6 2020, 12:22 AM
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Nov 6 2020, 12:16 AM) not if you compare with i9 10900k? with amd is very cheap already, im still stuck on b350m but running 3700x, too lazy to upgrade mobo lol good luck changing from i9 9900k to i9 10900k. for me i just gonna sell my 3900x to compensate with the costs..then get 5900x...  i fortunately have buyers This post has been edited by lolzcalvin: Nov 6 2020, 12:23 AM
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lolzcalvin
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Nov 6 2020, 12:35 PM
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5900X hasn't hit the shelf yet?
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lolzcalvin
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Nov 6 2020, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE(targon @ Nov 6 2020, 01:01 PM) Shops at LYP got ample stocks lar... ya i was looking at online only... are the physical shops in LYP selling the same msrp at 2499? want to check it out myself but don't have time to get out of work atm..
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