AMD/Distribution mark up 10% noone points this out or complains. Then shops get low stock but want a piece of the cake as well and say must bundle.

At the end of the day ppl still get and all happy with this n follow.

Those that are unhappy won't voice up and it will always continue this way.

Malaysian IT market in a nutshell.

xbbshampoo



seems to scale.

No that was sarcasm
As you can see in their testing the 5900x is faster than the 5950x.
The 5600x will be just fine then looking at the distance to Zen2.

llk they tested with a 3900x so that's quite pointless.
The one nice thing about this board is the dynamic oc with switching between OC modes based on current.

Just basic 4 way memory interleaving.

This doesn't exist since GN discovered this yesterday.
This is just another time GN is creating content without fully being aware of whats happening.
The sad thing is that they could ask Buildzoid why 4x8 has higher performance than 2x8 and he could have told them in seconds (or rather hours once he gets talking). Instead they do this.

If you buy a new kit nowadays and want 32GB, get 2x16 DR Kits. Don't get 4x8 SR. By all means.

This post has been edited by nrw: Nov 9 2020, 08:50 AM

Yes, technically on zen2 dual ccd chips did like 4x SR as well while single ccd chips clearly preferred 2x DR.

For Zen3 we have to wait for the FCLK issue to get settled.
Then can do testing and report if that's still the same.

But either way 2x DR is always at least equal, and for most cases
1) cheaper
2) better (compatibility)
3) better (reaching higher frequencies, which if 4k is the limit might not just yet matter on some boards)

The only reason to get 4x SR over 2x DR is if you don't care about above and want 4 populated slots for your board to look 'nicer'.

This post has been edited by nrw: Nov 9 2020, 09:18 AM

latios507
Yes well read up. You got the edge on GN now

If 4000 really is the new sweet spot after they settled their AGESA it won't matter as much, you might even see 64GB on that frequency (on good boards) with a number of possibilities:

1) 4x16 DR (harder but you can use B-Dies, cheap Rev. E, or even others)
[vast number of kits available]

2) 4x16 SR (easier but at that freq. its limited to the Micron Rev. B you mentioned)
[however there is NO EXCLUSIVE kit other than the totally overpriced BLM2K16G40C18U4B and BLM2K16G40C18U4BL]
(there are some 3600 32GB Kits (BLM2K16G40C18U4B & BLM2K16G40C18U4BL but they can be both (DR Rev. E or SR Rev. B))

3) 2x32 DR (This would be the cheapest and easiest option working with the greatest number of boards (including itx))
[BL2K32G32C16U4BL, BL2K32G32C16U4RL, BL2K32G32C16U4WL, BL2K32G32C16U4R, BL2K32G32C16U4B, BL2K32G32C16U4W]

This post has been edited by nrw: Nov 9 2020, 12:11 PM

2x16 and 4x16dr would be same, probably 2x16 dr being better as you would have more headroom adjusting your kit.
manual ram oc is where u'd find the performance.
for xmp this would only change primaries and those get absorbed by the large cache in ryzen to simplify.

IF you spend time stability test and keep tuning ... you can expect to see double digit gains whenever you are in a CPU LIMIT

Ye I got last week, check the Ryzen Overclocking thread.

From a pure gaming perspective.
The 5600x is worth it for 1080p and 1440p with a powerful GPU for sure.
The 5900x is worth it for high fps 1080p gaming.
The 5800x is at a terrible price point and doesn't profit from the single ccd as I anticipated and hoped for.
The 5950x is pointless for gaming.

No, 'just' two.
To see a real benefit from memory you'll want to learn some basics how to OC.
What resolution will you be gaming in?

But anyways don't rush. for now the FCLK(IF) is not stable on 95% of boards anyways.
Wait for BIOS versions to stabilize... n who knows maybe by the time that happens its 2021 and a 5700x/5600 is just around the corner.

Btw does anybody have a spare/unused asrock/gigabyte b550 board?

Okay ye these are resolutions where ram ok would benefit you.
If there is no exclusive Rev. E you could import that (or buy used).
Those are easiest to OC. But either way you gotta be willing to spend some time on that.

Anything with decent VRM and a patch C V2 1.1.0.0 AGESA for testing.
My ASUS still on patch B and the MSI on C but you're running in all sorts of issues when doing IF OC.

sakuraboo https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4630857/+440
Would be great to see some more folks there.

This post has been edited by nrw: Nov 10 2020, 10:49 AM

You quoted my 2x32GB kits though, 2x16 got different model numbers.
If you need those let me know n I list them.

The Corsair can be on a number of different IC's that's why I wouldn't get them.
The LPX you mentioned actually have a version number on the sticks indicating the IC inside but that that's no option if you if you order online.
Some of them could come on Rev. E as well but most will be on Samsung C-Dies which you wouldn't want if you wanted to OC.

stuff you order on amazon won't get stuck. you actually pay import charges upfront to them.

if you don't want to tune the kit you can just buy any 2x16gb kit anyways, be it 3200 or 3600. performance about same.
if you wanna tune then u'll either have to find a 3600 corsair kit on micron rev. e (which will require you to go to shops n check version numbers, which can result in quite a few raised eyebrows of shop sales staff, haha) or you have to get them with amazon which is the only place I'd personally import ram kits from.

For your convenience, some nice kits for manual RAM-OC:

These 32GB kits (2x16) are exclusive DualRank Micron Rev. E:

3000C15 (non RGB; black, white, red)	3000C15 (RGB; black, white, red)	3200C16 (non RGB; black, white, red)	3200C6 (RGB; black, white, red)
BL2K16G30C15U4B	BL2K16G30C15U4BL	BL2K16G32C16U4B	BL2K16G32C16U4BL
BL2K16G30C15U4W	BL2K16G30C15U4WL	BL2K16G32C16U4W	BL2K16G32C16U4WL
BL2K16G30C15U4R	BL2K16G30C15U4RL	BL2K16G32C16U4R	BL2K16G32C16U4RL

These 32GB kits (2x16) can be DualRank Micron Rev. E or SingleRank Micron Rev. B:

3600C16 (non RGB; black, white, red)	3600C16 (RGB; black, white, red)
BL2K16G36C16U4B	BL2K16G36C16U4BL
BL2K16G36C16U4W	BL2K16G36C16U4WL
BL2K16G36C16U4R	BL32G36C16U4RL

These 32GB kits (2x16) are exclusive SingleRank Micron Rev. B:

4000C18 (non RGB; black)	4000C18 (RGB; black)
BLM2K16G40C18U4B	BLM2K16G40C18U4BL

This post has been edited by nrw: Nov 10 2020, 02:08 PM

As if they knew how to check. They are not even aware what the differences are.
RAM is a much neglected topic.
Especially with Ryzen, where most of the time there is more performance to be found with RAM-OC compared to CPU-OC, it could deserve a bit more attention.

If sellers knew all this they'd have those Micron Kits in their offerings cuz they are 1) pretty cheap 2) good with great potential and 3) most of them are being made just outside Malacca.

This post has been edited by nrw: Nov 11 2020, 03:24 PM

Ye done that myself earlier before more questions arise.
It's no complete (I didn't add some max kits and not the last generation kits) but those up there are the ones up to date ones without a crazy price tag.

I am wondering how all your Ryzen 5000 chips are boosting.

Use this boost tester: https://github.com/jedi95/BoostTester/releases and run HWInfo64 simultaneously, only start HWInfo64 data logging (refresh it) after you started the BoostTester.

Then post your results like this:

CPU	MAX Boost	PBO yes/no	Cooler Used	Board(and AGESA)
5900x	5075	yes	Custom Loop	ASUS B550i Strix (1.1.0.0 B)

Optional (but would be much appreciated):


This post has been edited by nrw: Nov 11 2020, 03:37 PM

Best affordable for Ryzen, yes.
Its easy to tune so I'd suggest if you wanna spend the time drop by in the overclocking section by the time Zen3 BIOS' are stable for IF/Ram oc, tag me and I'll surely have some suggestions by then.
If you're on Zen2, you vould do that now already.

DeepMemory
AMD defined 4650MHz, 4850MHz, 4950MHz, 5050MHz in the 1.1.0.0 v2 agesa. (5600x, 5800x, 5900x, 5950x).

Edit: confirmed.

This post has been edited by nrw: Nov 12 2020, 06:09 PM