B550 not even for sale yet and already rumors on A520 as new entry level chipset.

https://www.hkepc.com/19130/



And allegedly sadly not even OC support (hello intel?).
Hopefully they allow RAM "OC" to let users enable XMP at least.

This post has been edited by nrw: Jun 6 2020, 12:36 AM

if it was cpu oc support u were right.
if its both memory and cpu that'd be something new.

Yes, don't bother about it. Increasing power limit alone does hardly do any harm.

why? they simply have more well binned chips by now than they can use in 3800x, 3900x, and 3950x'

so they might as well use the best binned ones as xt models, put them at the original rrp.

profit increased, free marketing and possibly sales boosted once again.

i don't see a single bad business decision from their side.

and just maybe those xts were meant for those b450 and x470 users that AMD initially didn't want to pull up to zen3

.... for those with zen+ on their board maybe? But you answered yourself.
Eventually this would have been their top end. Just look at the some intel boards and 4790k, 7700k distributions.

Thanks to MSI all this is hypothetical anyways, btw. Since most of them will be able to enjoy Zen3.

Thanks for ignoring the entire 1st part.



This post has been edited by nrw: Jun 17 2020, 12:46 AM

see above. For AMD this would have been their top end upgrade option. Don't look at prices at launch, look at them when Zen3 is out. The differences will be marginal. And neither of us know how well they clock or OC anyways. Maybe its more than 100MHz or 100MHz at a much lower voltage.

"dont deal in hypotheticals, its pointless." Talking about clockrates of a yet to be released cpu just looking at max boost spec sheet.

No sane person who has a board that support zen3 and has the chance to wait till October or whenever it'll be should buy this.

Why wouldn't the 3900x be no longer in production? Wafers are round, there's plenty dies from the edges for these 😅

Point being, for AMD this decision is nothing but positive. Which was 90% of my above post.

For what would have happened if AMD cut support for Zen3 for B450/X470. Fine, let's leave that then since its irrelevant thankfully.

1) Compare 10 launch chip with production date 1922 to 10 recent 2012 chips. You'll notice a great difference.

2) You were asking if the 3900xt intruduction would mean the 3900x bein discontinued.

3) At launch? 3900x, once prices converge? 3900xt

No matter which one I buy, AMD will profit. Even more so if some get a 3600/3800/3900xt that they can now earn more with compared to not having launched this chip.

"My god"
Consumer vs producer perspective.

This post has been edited by nrw: Jun 17 2020, 01:39 AM

not about win/lose,

AMD's perspective:
they have CCD's/CCX's with cores boosting to 4.1GHz at a set voltage only -> 3500x, ...
then they have CCD's that passed verification with 4.7GHz at a set voltage levels

The latter were really rare on launch, even those coming close to that number. So they didn't launch the 3950x on 7/7 and many other chips did not reach their advertised boost under true loads.

This however changed, TSMC seems to have consistently improved without AMD switching to 7nmP or 7nm+ and the average chip capabilities have improved.

AMD now has more chips verified for higher frequencies than they can use for those CPU's with currently highest boosts clocks.

Hence they release this new series. They will be able to earn a few extra dollars, they will get free marketing by reviewers and performance will get a bump by a small margin getting them ever closer to Intel in useless 720p gaming benchmarks that ppl still care for. Hence, good business decision.

If you do not believe the binning, just check binning statistics from sellers of pretested CPU's 4.3GHz all core on 1.3V on launch was rated at less than 10% chance, nowadays, those numbers have changed. Greatly so.


From a consumers perspective:
The opposite. The samples that you would likely have gotten anyways (with some free overclocking headroom) are now inside chips that cost a little more (looking at the 3800x vs 3800xt or 3900x vs 3900xt prices) or much more (looking at 3600x vs 3600xt prices). You will again end up with (very) little headroom to overclock.

Still, even at launch there were ppl paying for 3600x and 3800x despite this obviously being a waste of money. Despite reviewers telling them not to do it. So there will be ppl getting the XT's over the regular ones. Despite Zen3 coming up close.

This post has been edited by nrw: Jun 17 2020, 09:01 AM

https://www.ebay.com.my/itm/Noctua-NH-U14S-...P3/232494587967?

RM420 including postage from Rascom themselves. Will be shipped by Kolink from Taiwan (DHL Express) and most of the time you will get faster than the stuff you order from shopee/lazada.
You only pay postage once if you order multiple items from the same store.

Don't give a **** about the local distributor here. Their C/S is poor to average, they most of the time do not have sufficient stock, and their prices are among the highest worldwide after adjusting for currency.

if time is no concern you can also wait if they launch the 4200G on July 7th.
Otherwise just go with the 2200G/3200G if you need it now. The internal graphics far better compared to the i3 they wanted you to get.

If you use a dedicated GPU just follow EEBattlefield's suggestion to get a 3300x.

Actually just go to rig suggestion n post there, they do very good work there suggesting systems. Much better advice than you get from certain shops that just look to clear whatever stock they have.

Youre still using dual channel, just the least favorable ones.
No issue for 3200 though.

Wait till ur board EOL then send for RMA if you keep using like that 😉

What makes you think a2b2 are broken btw?

U bent any pin inside the b2 slot or on the cpu?
Or applied very* uneven mounting pressure on CPU cooler?

This post has been edited by nrw: Jun 27 2020, 09:25 PM

Very...

Well the Extreme4 and Steel Legend do have the 2 digit display as well.

But lets be honest. As long as there are color coded led's that's fine for regular users to see what component is causing the issue.
The 2 digit display mostly is for OC. Imho mostly ram OC as you can see very well at which stage the issue occurs. Allows for a speedy correction.
And would there honestly be anyone buying one of these boards for (ram) OC? ASRock? not really I think. They suck at it.

They are nice boards. But at the current price point,... nah.
If it was closer to the US pricing (~800) it would be worth considering,...

Now lets wait for MSI to get going here. Looking forward to that.

Buttons, alright well I thought u fancied the display, useful buttons are those you can't replicate for a few cents.
Such as Safe Boot or Rety But well, thats my take.

Tried twice, last year on an X570 at a friends, this year on board I bought, here.
You're free to send the review sample to me and I'll demonstrate to you how it fares compared to one of my boards, should you really think it's up to the game.

Ye but then you wouldn't need any of these buttons or the display anyways, at least not for setting it to 3733


Would be even better value if they sticked to the international pricing.
Like this you still rather get a RM600-800 board with 95% of the feature-set and 90% of the power delivery capabilities.
At least until prices drop.

talking about ram OC;

Have a look at this. 4700GE, fabric clock of 2133!
Lovely.
Intel's gaming supremacy gonna vanish if Zen3 does the same/better.

(Source: TecLab)

Whats more, they are introducing dynamic, or lets better call it adaptive clocking. Really smart if this is properly done.

(Source: Robert Hallock(AMD), Twitter)

This post has been edited by nrw: Jul 2 2020, 10:31 AM

Yaya goldfries, got few boards, for RAM OC the X570 Unify is the best (I got).
Even better than the Gigabyte X570 Aorus ITX I tested few months back.

My point being anyways is...

If you were to get a 3100-3800XT (or even more w/o OC), AND need PCIE 4 for a single GPU & M.2 you are fine with a board from the sub 800 section.
They offer very similar features such as 2.5gbe, wifi 6, ...
You pointed the Steel Legend out rightfully, you could add the TUF series by ASUS, or if you go more towards RM600 and below some Gigabyte boards.
MSI will hopefully join soon.

If you get something more power hungry than this, your budget, usually, is not so tight either.
Then you can as well top up 100 (X570 Tomahawk) or 300 (X570 Unify) or boards alike (or even more expensive) to get something that has a chipset which is not connected to the CPU using PCIE 3.0 x4 like B550.

B550 is mainstream according to OEM's.
So pricing some boards this high and sending them into competition with X570 and potentially X670? puts those priced in the range of the Extreme4/Aorus Pro and above in an uncomfortable space.
'Too good' (VRM) & too expensive for lower TDP chips.
Lacking in features for higher TDP chips or/and enthusiasts.

If you however look at a single OEM such as ASRock, I'd tend to agree. Their B550 offerings are much better than what they put up for X570.
But fortunately, there's more.

This post has been edited by nrw: Jul 2 2020, 11:59 AM

One more
That's what ASRock is telling you.


Meanwhile B550 Tomahawk, RM800. Almost equaling the $179 USD price tag. MSI Malaysia.

Gonna be local number 1 recommendation for higher range B550 boards, yet again.
Was worth waiting.

Take both ram sticks out n compare the version number (bottom center on sticker)