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post Nov 16 2019, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 16 2019, 01:17 PM)
Sorry. Not sure also. Maybe baseline achieved, so MAX is the one that affects the average.
Yeah I remember setting 15 but as always, jump back to 16. tongue.gif

Haven't got into that much detail.

Just tweak memory and 1:1 IF.
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Alright, keep it up.
Your environment is pretty different compared to the one I quoted, maybe thats why the lows are not effected. Is this the same in all games you tested?

If you fancy some additional work then you could try showing the improvements of 3000mhz and lower ram in combination with IF OC.
Because despite the IMC's latency punishment for running out of sync. you'll see overall improvement. However I dont think this is very relevant because everyone seems to be getting 3200 or 3600 ram for their zen2 anyways.
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post Nov 17 2019, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 16 2019, 01:17 PM)
Sorry. Not sure also. Maybe baseline achieved, so MAX is the one that affects the average.
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Having thought about it the only viable explanation (imho) for your 75fps 1% lows the graphics card causing it. Meaning there is something wrong with the rx5700 causing frame drops below the baseline of cpu/ram.
Unlike the 1070ti which I brought up.
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post Nov 25 2019, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ Nov 25 2019, 11:24 PM)
Just want to share with you all fellas, if your system ever encountered Bios Post code 90 and won't boot beyond that, that means high likelihood the CPU is dead. Not even clear CMOS will help.
That's what happened to my 3900X. Luckily I have a spare CPU , a 3700X to try it on. Boot back to normal and system working like a charm on the 3700X.
3900X off to RMA.
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quite an early failure ohmy.gif
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post Nov 26 2019, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 26 2019, 09:14 AM)
I run Steel Legend with memory up to 3600MHz leh, you sure it's the board problem?

Which processor you have problem with running to 3200MHz?
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It's Picasso lah, can be very choosy with ram. And almost certainly won't run on 3600Mhz thanks to the lousy IMC.

But dw, once you get that Ryzen 3600 (edit) you don't need to bother the qvl as much.

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post Dec 28 2019, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(S4PH @ Dec 28 2019, 05:22 PM)
im still tuning the ram might try lower the voltages and see how it performs. 1.35 is stock voltages u need more if u wanna play oc on ur ram. ryzen loves faster fclk
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1.44 with some light airflow if perfectly fine for e-dies.
However you should just go to 3733/3800 c16. You'll gain performance for your relevant applications. (And the voltage can be dropped, too)

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post Dec 28 2019, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(S4PH @ Dec 28 2019, 06:52 PM)
Im having problem even booting to 3733 any tips
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haven't seen a zen2 imc which doesn't do 1867 fclk yet... you should be able to get there.

save your 3600 profile load defaults (don't touch ram just yet) and raise fclk to 1900.

if system doesn't post .. try VSoC between 1.00 and 1.15, try smaller steps such as 1.00 1.05 1.10 1.15V.

If non of those will let your system boot, try to adjust VDDG between 0.95 and 1.095V (vddg needs to be lower than vsoc, so you need to adjust and test both values at once.

If no luck just try 1867 and repeat the same steps.

If your system is booting up you can check 2 things before you start to OC your actual ram.
1) Do a 30min stresstest ("Stress cache" only) using Aida64, this will show you if the VSoC is stable.
2) Stream a movie or watch a youtube video at the same time, if there's sound issues then your fclk is not stable. (unfortunately there's no other way to test stability for fclk as of now)

Best of luck icon_rolleyes.gif

Got myself another 2 (2x8) E-Die Kits on my holidays btw biggrin.gif

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post Jan 15 2020, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Jan 15 2020, 07:19 PM)
Okay got it, just find it weird that the idle voltage is so high, and it gets lower slightly during full benchmark load. Thanks guys, I'll leave it at it is for now.
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When ur in true idle voltage is low.
When even just small tasks are running the voltage will raise (up to 1.5v) so single core boosts are as instantanious as possible. Makes everything snappy.
All this is no issue as you are not pushing many Amps through during this state.
Under full load these high voltages cant be sustained and are dropped so temps are not as high,...

You're fine.

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post Feb 1 2020, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jan 31 2020, 08:21 PM)
I might need your advice here. Ok the thing is, I have an R7 3700X . X570 Auros Master.
RAM I have 2 kits:
1. G.Skill Trident Z RGB F4-3600C18D-16GTZRX
2. G.Skill Trident Z Neo F4-3600C18D-16GTZN

I bought these 2 slightly different kit because of stock availability issues.

I can run 3800Mhz 18-22-22-42-64 1T with a ridiculous TRFC at 666 ( shown in hwinfo64) but only with 2 sticks of Trident Z Neo. FCLK 1900Mhz is stable under Asus Realbench for 4 hours. If I run 4 sticks of RAM, I cannot achieve stability.
Currently VDIMM at 1.38V, VSOC 1.1V , CPU use PBO only.

My main issue is I cannot tighten the timings using 1usmus's Ryzen DRAM calculator as guide (even safe preset, wanna go down at least CL16 ) or increase VDIMM to 1.45V like that. Cannot POST , mobo throws me a C3 code and I have to use the BIOS reset button to recover. From 4 sticks I reduce to 2 stick of RAM, same thing.

Using Thaiphoon burner, I can confirm all 4 sticks of RAM I have are Samsung B dies. Do they really that suck for lowly binned ones ?
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Okay, let me pick that up.

If you confirmed all 4 sticks are B-Dies no need to bother about the different kit code too much.

The most important thing: Did you test FCLK stability before ram OC?
So you confirmed 1900FCLK is stable using 2 sticks running on 2667/2133? But not on 4 sticks running 2667/2133Mhz?

And did you import the thaiphoon bruner report into the timing calc?


Side note; You need to know 4 sticks can be quite a bit more demanding on the IMC compared to just 2.
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post Feb 1 2020, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Feb 1 2020, 07:05 PM)
too bad then. I intended to only look for 3600MHz 16-16-16-36 or 3200 14-14-14-34. I remembered lingloong a.k.a. dotatech once sold the 3200 CL14 variant but out of stock.
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Buy used la, surely can get hands on old 3200c14 kits.
(most sellers can probably even advise you what oc setting they have been running them at)
Only thing you won't get easily is RGB ones.

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post Mar 6 2020, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Mar 6 2020, 09:11 AM)
Can the 32GB Corsair LPX 3600 C18 (2x16GB) easily run at the rated 3600MTS with Ryzen 2 and a B450 motherboard?
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Zen2 you mean? Most probably so.
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post Mar 6 2020, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Irishcoffee @ Mar 6 2020, 11:28 AM)
oh i see, i prefer something small right now haha
hows the steel legend perform?
i abit worried abt it bcoz i saw this review saying the vrm is getting hot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BNKYey7UMU&t=138s
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You're using a 3600 on stock settings? Don't bother the VRM in that case... it will be fine. If you're still worried make sure you have some basic airflow over the VRM area.
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post Mar 6 2020, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Mar 6 2020, 03:25 PM)
Thanks. I can't find much info on the net, doesn't seem like a popular choice. I guess the people who can afford 32GB RAM will definitely go for RGB models, but I need LPX ones for SFF case.
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Yup, Malaysia is infected by RGB lovers, can tell that from my sales alone 😂. C18 for 3600 is not really that good, maybe thats why that kit is not as popular. But nevertheless its a good choice for Zen2 if you just want to load the profile and not fiddle around.
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post Mar 6 2020, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Mar 6 2020, 03:44 PM)
Agree that the C18 kit isn't great, but the better timings one cost like 50% more...
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DW, not worth the top up. And 3600C18 for most common usage types is still better than 3200C14 for Zen2, at least.
If you were into tweaking Ram I'd tell you get a Ballistix Sport LT 3000c15 or 3200c16 (of me 🤣) but the LPX will do just fine.

QUOTE(shirohamada @ Mar 6 2020, 06:05 PM)
i turned off every led i can.
maybe i'm old.
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Ya... despite having a system with minimal RGB myself now (single color, min. brightness) I also hate that for certain items you kind of only have a choice to get RGB. Luckily quality fans are still available w/o 😅 Lets see for how much longer.
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post Mar 7 2020, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Mar 7 2020, 12:58 PM)
I'm just not sure because I heard 16gb x2 stick can work differently than 8gb x2 stick on Zen+ but I'm not sure about Zen 2. I'm hoping to take advantage of the 1:1 Inifinity Fabric on Zen 2 with the 3600MTS. The 3200 C16 (16-18-18-36) is selling just RM30 cheaper, I know they are the same chip, but getting 3600 (18-22-22-42) out of the box is no brainer. Just still not sure can get that speed or not.
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The difference is Single Rank vs Dual Rank. (Mostly its basically sticks with are 8GB single rank and 16gb being dual rank)
Single rank is easier on your CPU's memory controller (imc).

I think 90% of Zen2's will do IF of 1800(3600) without adjusting vcore&vddg manually. So its the best choice out of the box like you said.

Technically other than the CPU, your board, its bios or ram could still be shitty and prevent you from reaching that speed but those chances are very very low low.

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post Mar 7 2020, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(shirohamada @ Mar 7 2020, 02:19 PM)
Latest rumor i heard is 2021
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Yeah, I also think its either late 2020 or early 2021 for Zen3.
If I was them I'd make sure boards are ready and drivers are stable this time... even if that'd mean a May 2021 launch.
Anyways... at their recent FAD they were talking about Milan (HPC) being released by late 2020.

They are not in a rush anyways this time around until they switch to Genoa 5nm and Lisa tries to push 80% of their yearly product launches to be released on the 05.05.2022 doh.gif
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post Mar 13 2020, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Mar 13 2020, 01:23 AM)
used the reset CMOS button plenty of times as well, and there's also a bug where the button doesn't clear off the manual settings you set under Settings > AMD Overclocking section so I highly recommend against that section to configure overclock, should just use the tweaker tab instead as it covers pretty much everything. and the reset CMOS button does clear manual inputs to the tweaker tab.
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you're certain this is not down to switching to the other bios?
seems very odd that a properly conducted cmos clear will not reset everything. otherwise ... power disconnected when you clear?
btw when I think of amd oc section there are very few settings worth modifying which are available exclusively there.

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post Mar 13 2020, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Mar 13 2020, 10:18 AM)
CMOS button won't clear the section under AMD Overclocking, tested with F11. but usually people shouldn't bother setting anything there as the tweaker tab covers pretty much everything that section could offer. Gigabyte should've just removed it.
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so you disconnected power and cleared cmos and it doesn't clear everything? I'd write a ticket on that. Even buggy ASUS bios where quite a few settings do nothing or not what they should doesn't have an issue with that.

nah removing it is a very bad idea. I need at least 5 settings for the amd oc menu laugh.gif
they should have merged them since launch... but that's kind of down to amd, not board parnters.
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post Mar 13 2020, 10:51 PM

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https://www.caseking.de/der8auer-ryzen-3000....html#ck_videos

Watercooling mods incoming.
Lets wait for either very good reviews or Chinese rip offs xD RM140 for a bit of plastic and aluminum...
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post Mar 14 2020, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(Alert_RaZO @ Mar 14 2020, 06:15 AM)
I was playing the COD warzone.
All setting default.
The CPU temperature 70++ degree consider dangerous?
possible to give lesser information? doh.gif

Maybe list your system, case, and fan configuration.
And how about max temp?
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post Apr 4 2020, 11:38 AM

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weird choice for motherboard, but nice prices you got right there!
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