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nrw
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 May 3 2020, 03:10 AM
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QUOTE(h11g @ May 2 2020, 01:01 PM) hi guys finally i joined the ryzen club with 3600 and asus x570 tuf gaming. i just ran a P95 stress test over 9 hours and the max temp i got was 89 degree celcius. I'm on scythe mugen 5 rev.b. Is this temp okay for Ryzen 5? Which FFT, case, casing fan, ambient? 😅 But 89 max within that timeframe should not be anything alarming |
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nrw
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May 3 2020, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE(h11g @ May 3 2020, 12:38 PM) im using fractal design define s2 vision rgb. so the case comes with 4 al-14 prisma fans. ambient temp should be around 28 degress celcius. which prime 95 version n setting u used? if avx with a heat intensive fft size ur temps are fine. This post has been edited by nrw: May 3 2020, 06:52 PM |
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nrw
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May 3 2020, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(claudetan @ May 3 2020, 06:54 PM) r u OC it? with after market cooler still hit 95 degree seem something wrong. 89°C. Prime>95< is a stressing tool using various mathematical calculations. N u'd be surprised to see how much heat this can generate with some settings.  Even with proper cooling. |
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nrw
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May 5 2020, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(arshad @ May 5 2020, 03:00 AM)  Hi. Just asking whether this is fine? Ryzen 5 3600 OC to 4.2ghz and voltage 1.3 Why don't you just leave it on stock? 4.2 not really thrilling. QUOTE(h11g @ May 5 2020, 11:07 AM) i ran with the latest p95 and im on their default settings. No OC as well. ye you're fine then. QUOTE(viruz @ May 5 2020, 12:20 AM)  When set to extreme performance, it almost hit boiling point, I run for few sec then stop, scare my brand new CPU will burnt. 1.38V and full allcore load  silly oc. even I'd scratch on approach 80 on closed loop. confirmed you would degrade your chip over time. This post has been edited by nrw: May 5 2020, 01:19 PM |
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nrw
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May 5 2020, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(viruz @ May 5 2020, 02:38 PM) I didn't OC though, everything is handled by MSI apps which I can select either silent, balance and extreme performance mode. Ye the app is doing the OC for you. lol. Uninstall that crapware  If u wanna get rid of some of the temp spikes during low system load I can give you a power plan which will help with that. Let the CPU run stock unless you run very specific repetitive workloads that could be improved with an all core OC. This post has been edited by nrw: May 5 2020, 03:46 PM |
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nrw
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May 5 2020, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE(arshad @ May 5 2020, 08:23 PM) why not 4.2?  Too little improvement over stock lah. But loosing all the safety downclocking feautures of your cpu doing so. Not worth it imho. QUOTE(RagingBalls @ May 5 2020, 06:33 PM) Will using an open air case i.e. test bench help to cool down the heat a bit? Sure, possible given how much air got stuck with current set up. Still, 89°C on prime for such a long time is no disaster... This post has been edited by nrw: May 5 2020, 10:22 PM |
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May 5 2020, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(arshad @ May 5 2020, 10:42 PM) but my stock peak only 3.9 or im reading it wrong hahah Avx load? Ye probably just below 4. How about regular loads with programs/games ur using most? Probably much closer to the 4.2. |
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May 5 2020, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(arshad @ May 5 2020, 10:48 PM) will try back later playing csgo haha but is it normal for the voltage to boost up to 1.4v+ Yes for some single core loads thats normal. If you insist applying a fixed voltage at least take the voltage your cpu will decrease to under maximum load. (Prime95 avx small fft's possibly). Then you can test which frequency is the highest stalble on that voltage. |
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May 6 2020, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE(lawliet88 @ May 6 2020, 06:09 PM) if one disagree with manual overclocking on r5 3600 then he should disagree with PBO as well, it just a fancy auto OC with shittier settings Eventhough I agree on PBO being useless, at least it doesnt deactivate all safety feautures like a fixed voltage would. |
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nrw
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May 9 2020, 10:26 AM
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wouldn't be surprised if some B450 and X470 end up getting support anyways.  note that B350 and even X370 were not supposed to receive support for Zen2 based CPU's. And just look at what happened. X370 got hardly any board without support, even B350 got some boards with (beta) support. With B550 a month away I wouldn't buy B450 now if I had Zen3 in mind for future, but having a board already I don't think one should panic and upgrade. Especially for those with X470 or even B450 Max boards. This post has been edited by nrw: May 9 2020, 10:33 AM |
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May 9 2020, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ May 9 2020, 11:30 AM) Actually considering we got something from Zen -> Zen+ and Zen 2 in one socket and each generation comes with a significant performance improvement I would say AMD actually did a pretty decent job out there  The biggest problem right now is that AMD/hardware partners fail to anticipate that the small 16MB BIOS actually rendered the board to be able to upgrade to Zen 3 because of insufficient space for the new microcode - MSI actually learned about this the hard way back before the release of 3rd gen Ryzen CPUs well those 128MBits bios chip can do the job, but since some manufacturers love to bloat their ui and functions (who the fk really requires a (laggy) mouse in bios) and keep supporting old cpu's that wouldn't benefit from new microcode anyways,... and regarding msi... they not learned the hard way ... this was a clever marketing stunt by msi to benefit from poor x570 sales and high b450 demand. QUOTE(edmund_yung @ May 9 2020, 11:35 AM) And about B550, it will only support 3rd and 4th gen Ryzen right on AM4 socket right? Don't need to change motherboard again until Zen 4 in 2022 right? it appears to be This post has been edited by nrw: May 9 2020, 11:52 AM |
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May 11 2020, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ May 11 2020, 08:10 PM) AMD never mentioned 400 chipset to support 3rd gen Zen and beyond 2020. https://www.techpowerup.com/246352/amd-anno...he-b450-chipsetI was going to buy B450 itx mobo a few days ago, luckily i re-read the news again and decided the cancel it, gonna buy X570 matx lol IF there's no physical limitation , AMD could undo the damage or wait form mobo maker magic, all A320 mobo support 3950x with bios update, that's unofficial support from mobo maker. U can consider Gigabytes ITX X570 board, too. It's 'just' RM920 and pretty good. Their margin surely ain't very high on this board. Or wait for B550's n see what ITX/MATX boards you could be getting. This post has been edited by nrw: May 11 2020, 10:18 PM |
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May 18 2020, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 18 2020, 10:41 AM) wait. ryzen 4k apu are coming out soon. just on laptops a 4500u is stupidly cheap al powerful for a pure 6core.. so desktop 4700G.. gonna be doing magic stuff. ryzen 3 series has a ipc of 8-15% over intel (higher the cache/core/thread.. higher ipc).. and now they are taunting the 4 series has gain another 10% on previous.. so thats 20% over intel.. thats nuts. if they improve the latency again for 4th gen.. we be seeing intel finally dethroned in every market.. laptop, ultrabook, desktop, gaming, server.. premier pro.. u can an advantage with intel quicksync vis igpu. not sure how amd apu will be supported. before others are getting the wrong idea. "4k" apu aka renoir is still based on zen2 "3k" though. |
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nrw
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May 19 2020, 05:47 PM
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Some nice info;
1) The Renoir APU's (4200G 4400G 4700G) launching next month will have an upgraded FCLK of 2000MHz (means 4000MHz synced DDR4 speed) out of the box.
2) Vermeer (Zen3) a0 stepping chips already have boostrates of 4.6 GHz at this time. So a 15-20% improvement on Zen2 won't be all that unlikely once they launch.
This post has been edited by nrw: May 19 2020, 05:47 PM
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May 21 2020, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(crazyfatt @ May 21 2020, 11:57 AM) thanks for the reply. He watercool the rig and i guess cooling isn’t the matter. He did mention never see the boost 4.7 as advertise. So, i guess is it need some tweak on it. Ram he’s asking fren from singapore to import tat trident Z neo 3600mhz cl16. how much is he spending to import? some high specs sticks are available here (more if you wanna manually OC) |
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nrw
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May 22 2020, 10:10 AM
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never thought I'd be saying this but I like the ASRock line up on b550. some are quite ugly but especially the specs of the itx board seem very nice.
can't wait to see some closer shots of the components.
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nrw
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May 23 2020, 12:21 AM
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May 23 2020, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE(llk @ May 23 2020, 01:59 PM) AMD is about to launch the Matisse Refresh??? Read more: AMD preps Ryzen 3900XT, 3800XT 3600XT for 16th Junetwo posts late interesting choice of strategy actually. seems the yield so good recently that they have more good ccds than they need for the (3800x 3900x &) 3950x. So they might as well bring an new iteration with ~+200Mhz Base/Boost. But well not surprising after seeing quite a few 3600 / 3700x lately doing 4.3GHz on ~1.2V. Btw, B550 will get a separate AGESA.  |
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nrw
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May 23 2020, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ May 23 2020, 06:20 PM) USD? Then there's no reason for B550 anymore unless you want to avoid the chipset fan speaking of chipset fans. the ROG STRIX B550-I GAMING does come with a VRM fan. HAHAHA. Not sure about the others, didn't bother to check. Asus sucks for mid range stuff 90% of the time anyways. |
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nrw
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May 23 2020, 07:16 PM
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ye ur right, just checked their website. it's just the itx board coming with one. I was talking about VRM fan ya, not chipset This post has been edited by nrw: May 23 2020, 07:16 PM |
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