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 Blotter Spot Test Oil Analysis:VOA Helix HX7 5W30, 16,286 km blotter Shell Helix Ultra 5W40

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rcracer
post Mar 2 2018, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Mar 1 2018, 09:34 PM)
Is it

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...which is VW approved Long Life oil,

or this

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...which is NOT VW approved.

Btw you have 48 hrs or current blotter spot for clearer image on center zone for evaluation ?
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In Malaysia I think they launched the top one

Don't have 48 hours but I remember this is as far as it got

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post Mar 2 2018, 01:38 PM

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Sifus, can anyone recommend a cheapo fully synthetic oil, like those sold at Lazada? There are some brands I have never heard of.

I just tried the relatively cheap Lexus fully syn oil in my ride, seems much smoother than before I changed the oil.
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The Aisin 5w30 Fully Synthetic that I posted in this thread, I bought it for RM90 at a spare parts shop. Right now I'm at 11300 kms, still good.

Can't find it in Lazada, the Aisin 5w30 in Lazada is the PAO version and expensive.

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Mar 2 2018, 08:10 AM)
In Malaysia I think they launched the top one

This Helix Ultra ECT C2/C3 0W30 has OEM approvals in VW 50400 50700, MB 229.52 229.51 229.31 .....
that has 30,000 km OCI in Europe VW,
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Don't have 48 hours but I remember this is as far as it got
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Absence of center zone indicates clean oil with high dispersancy capability ......
I would rate its 10,500 km usage in Mazda6 2.2L diesel could be further extended.
Maybe try another blotter in 1500-2000 km from now.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Mar 2 2018, 02:22 PM)
This Helix Ultra ECT C2/C3 0W30 has OEM approvals in VW 50400 50700, MB 229.52 229.51 229.31 .....
that has 30,000 km OCI in Europe VW,
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Absence of center zone indicates clean oil with high dispersancy capability ......
I would rate its 10,500 km usage in Mazda6 2.2L diesel could be further extended.
Maybe try another blotter in 1500-2000 km from now.
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post Mar 2 2018, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(boxer07 @ Mar 1 2018, 10:28 PM)
Honda City 2014. GM6. Non hybrid version

wont go too far to 1500km as i still need to maintain the vehicle warranty . so will go change engine oil tomorrow at SC. laugh.gif
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Yes, TGMO 0W20 is undeniably a very strong oil with good UOA results such as,
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Btw, IIRC all Honda's in USA has factory recommendation of 10,000 miles OCI whilst under warranty , that's equivalent to 16,000 km here.

I completely understand your situation with local SC on warranty matters .... on OCI's beyond 10,000 km.

I would hazard a guess your used oil condition may probably show some 'goldenish' colour and not dark black.

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Mar 2 2018, 02:41 PM)
Covered by free service so just service according schedule
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In this aspect of adhering to 10,000 km OCI for warranty purpose , one may consider the lowest priced semi-synthetic SN/SM if money is a consideration.
For most Asian engines, a Shell Helix 5 in 10W30 (or a 15W40) SN A3B3 mineral would be more than adequiate to do 10,000 km OCI , IMHO.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Mar 2 2018, 02:49 PM)
Yes, TGMO 0W20 is undeniably a very strong oil with good UOA results such as,
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Btw, IIRC all Honda's in USA has factory recommendation of 10,000 miles OCI whilst under warranty , that's equivalent to 16,000 km here.

I completely understand your situation with local SC on warranty matters .... on OCI's beyond 10,000 km.

I would hazard a guess your used oil condition may probably show some 'goldenish' colour and not dark black.
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Yes, the used oil show goldenish... Not dark black. I guess it's still good to use till at least 12000km...
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Mar 2 2018, 01:38 PM)
Sifus, can anyone recommend a cheapo fully synthetic oil, like those sold at Lazada? There are some brands I have never heard of.

I just tried the relatively cheap Lexus fully syn oil in my ride, seems much smoother than before I changed the oil.
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Having using Lexus fullsyn (viscosity grade?) in your car now, I would suggest do some blotter spot tests (which are free anyway ..) from time to time and upload here for sharing with general readers for assessing the combined conditions of this Lexus oil AND engine condition , as a social project in Lowyat community.

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QUOTE(alphaz @ Mar 2 2018, 02:16 PM)
The Aisin 5w30 Fully Synthetic that I posted in this thread, I bought it for RM90 at a spare parts shop. Right now I'm at 11300 kms, still good.

Can't find it in Lazada, the Aisin 5w30 in Lazada is the PAO version and expensive.
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Alphaz,
Will appreciate your sharing of this high mileage Aisin 5W30 blotter spot tests ....for everybody's knowledge and experience.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Mar 2 2018, 03:07 PM)
In this aspect of adhering to 10,000 km OCI for warranty purpose , one may consider the lowest priced semi-synthetic SN/SM if money is a consideration.
For most Asian engines, a Shell Helix 5 in 10W30 (or a 15W40) SN A3B3 mineral would be more than adequiate to do 10,000 km OCI , IMHO.

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I have to stick with acea c3 minimum, because of diesel particulate filter is still fitted and twin turbo needs all protection it can get
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QUOTE(zeng @ Mar 2 2018, 03:37 PM)
Alphaz,
Will appreciate your sharing of this high mileage Aisin 5W30 blotter spot tests ....for everybody's knowledge and experience.
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I had just replaced about 700ml oil from the leftover in the bottle. So if I do the test it might not be accurate, but I'll do later anyway.
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QUOTE(alphaz @ Mar 2 2018, 02:16 PM)
The Aisin 5w30 Fully Synthetic that I posted in this thread, I bought it for RM90 at a spare parts shop. Right now I'm at 11300 kms, still good.

Can't find it in Lazada, the Aisin 5w30 in Lazada is the PAO version and expensive.
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Where is the spare part shop exactly? excellent price you got there.....
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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Mar 2 2018, 07:58 PM)
Where is the spare part shop exactly? excellent price you got there.....
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Max Lee Tampoi. RM90 before GST.
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QUOTE(boxer07 @ Mar 2 2018, 03:14 PM)
Yes, the used oil show goldenish... Not dark black. I guess it's still good to use till at least 12000km...
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My rule of thumb on used oil colour has been :-
a) goldenish hue colour indicates oil condition is fit for continuing service;
b) dark black colour does NOT indicate condemnation of used oils, unless with burnt smell.

12,000 km OCI should be easy for HGMO 0W20 in a 2014 Honda engine , I guess.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Mar 2 2018, 03:37 PM)
Alphaz,
Will appreciate your sharing of this high mileage Aisin 5W30 blotter spot tests ....for everybody's knowledge and experience.
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24 hour blot

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QUOTE(alphaz @ Mar 4 2018, 11:06 PM)
24 hour blot

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Sorry to give you another boring and repetitively similar comments ......
that there is absence of center zone in this 11400 km blotter indicating high dispersancy capability of this oil sample .
Generally the other zones are not dark indicating low level of contaminants/combustion byproducts possibly due to cleaner ( Hyundai G4GB ) engine internal conditions and adequate quality of this Aisin 5W30.
If I were you, I would continue using this 11400 km oil and do another blotter spot test in 1500-2000 km and go from there.

This Aisin 5W30 , though 'unbranded' looks quite impressive so far.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Mar 4 2018, 11:48 PM)
Sorry to give you another boring and repetitively similar comments ......
that there is absence of center zone in this 11400 km blotter indicating high dispersancy capability of this oil sample .
Generally the other zones are not dark indicating low level of contaminants/combustion byproducts possibly due to cleaner ( Hyundai G4GB ) engine internal conditions and adequate quality of this Aisin 5W30.
If I were you, I would continue using this 11400 km oil and do another blotter spot test in 1500-2000 km and go from there.

This Aisin 5W30 , though 'unbranded' looks quite impressive so far.
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That's great, I appreciate your comment. The engine is clean because it was totally overhauled last year, after overhauled I used cheap mineral oil for 1000km, then a mineral Penzzoil for 4000km, after that I changed to this Aisin synthetic. I was planning to change this Aisin at 10000km but since it's still good, I'll extend it to 13000km.

I also never heard of Aisin before, Google said it's a Japanese company that develops and produce "engine, drivetrain, body and chassis, aftermarket, and other main automotive parts for various major OEMs", and is 30% owned by Toyota. Can't find info on where they made their engine oil though.
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If you are still having the container bottle, read the fine prints at the back, or upload picture on back of bottle, to see if it's made in Japan/Singapore/local ?
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QUOTE(zeng @ Mar 5 2018, 02:58 PM)
If you are still having the container bottle, read the fine prints at the back, or upload picture on back of bottle, to see if it's made in Japan/Singapore/local ?
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Here's the photo after 51 hours :

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