QUOTE(alphaz @ Oct 20 2017, 10:43 AM)
No need import those fancy and expensive chromatogram paper for lab use.Just use an ordinary letter-head or telco bills.
Non-glossy 70/80 gm A4 paper from Tesco/Giant also can.
Blotter Spot Test Oil Analysis:VOA Helix HX7 5W30, 16,286 km blotter Shell Helix Ultra 5W40
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(Imagination *-* @ Oct 20 2017, 01:17 AM) Thanks for the reply. I would like to confirm again (after seeing my service invoice) that the engine oil I'm currently using is Syntium 800 SE 10W30 SN-4L. Imagination,Are you referring to Syntium 500 10W30 SN GF5 as follows , if its website is up to date ? https://www.mymesra.com.my/Passenger_Car_Mo...500_10W-30.aspx Otherwise, either website is not updated or your invoice description has error. Can you upload front and back pictures of the bottle ? Let's assume for now it is Syntium 500 10W30, SN GF5 , which is having a TBN of 7.0, this oil is still inferior to the a) Syntium 800 5W30 SN GF5 with TBN 8.5 and ; b) Syntium 800 10W40 SN A3B3 with TBN 10.0 as already stated above. QUOTE I would like to ask if I may, my new car is about 14000 km now after a year. Thus i rarely travel far and long. With any of the 3 oil types above,No you need not 'follow' the (OEM) suggestion limiting to 6 months interval.I do drive alot in city with stop & go traffic and thus I will never reach 10,000km OCI by 6 months. My question is must I follow that 6 months interval?. If you wish, you may even exceed 12 months, however Blotter spot test is prudent. QUOTE Is there an expiry date for my engine oil? No expiry date really, if you monitor with Blotter spot test regularly.QUOTE Let's say in 6 months I only driven 3000 km but daily and short trips. Yes, no problem stretching it to 10,000 km OCI or exceeding 1 year in particular with Syntium 800 10W40 SN A3B3 above.Can I prolong it to 10,000 km then only change even though it'll take 1 year and more? And the car is proton saga campro vvt. But please monitor with Blotter spot test to check for abnormality, if any, during usage. QUOTE Regarding warranty, I'm sort of opting after my 3rd change (due to last free service) or even before that to do my OCI outside and possibly using other brand/quality of engine oil. Any recommendations? I'm sort of looking into cheaper oils like those in Lazada "Car Doctor" brands where have high review ratings & cheap fully synthetic. But a little skeptical as it is sort of too good to be true. Without links to product specification , sorry I apologise for not being able to comment on 'Car Doctor' oils as I'm totally clueless about its specifications .Why not consider branded oils where it has websites with specifications details freely available to general public as there are aplenty in Klang Valley ? After you have considered its prices/budget and its availability to your locality, then providing me your choices of oil brands and viscoisty grades (with links etc) being considered by you, my dedicated comments subsequently may meet your specific needs better, I suppose. QUOTE The rm60+ service charge is pretty darn expensive but yea I'll be losing the warranty. I am a little concern about warranty but would like to know if there is a cost saving route as well. Will have to weigh the pros and cons later. Generally local mechanics charge you labour cost of around RM10-20, with your own oil, why not consider buying branded oils (like Castrol , Shell, Total, Liqui Moly, Ravenol,Mobil etc ) of high quality that are being sold in Giant,Tesco and Aeon Big outlets throughout the country ......*edit: I would also like to mention that I'm not so familiar with the technical specs & knowledge on engine oils where they have sales promotion every now and then at real cheap price ? Hope it helps. This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 20 2017, 08:14 PM |
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Oct 21 2017, 03:38 AM
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QUOTE(zeng @ Oct 20 2017, 09:22 AM) Senscents, Tq for your valuable comments.This 9000 km Pennzoil Velocity 5W40 in Perodua 1.3 blotter spot indicates : a) very low level of insolubles or particulates/contaminants partly indicating very clean (year 2014) engine internals, btw what is the odometer km reading ? Petrol brand and RON xx used in this engine, same as your wira ? ; b) low level of oil oxidation and minimal oil deteoriation, if you may kindly add 48/72 hrs pictures for better assessment ; c) oil dispersancy capability is in very good condition, like new;and d) no gasoline fuel in oil sample, may I confirm from you this is MPI port injection engines ?;and e) This oil is good for continuing service , if you have not replaced it, and take another sample after 1000-1500 km usage. Anyway, should you already change the oil, next OCI of this Pennzoil oil could be extended to beyond 10,500 km pending Blotter spot tests. [attachmentid=9256077] On checking its website, this oil has very strong specifications in ACEA C3, BMW LL04, MB 229.31 etc. With this specifications, personally I would push OCI towards 15,000 or more in Perodua 1.3 with blotter spot tests. May be it's just me. Note: I'm not familiar or seen this oil. Based on facts available , all my comments in this thread are based strictly on blotter spot pictures with a tinge of personal bias/prejudice. I'm biased towards oil approvals and certifications obtained, and no endorsement of oils is intended in this thread . Good to kniw that the EO holding up. Odometer at around 69k km Do not know what type of injection. Will try to have another blotter sample next week. Here are the 48hrs & 72hrs. Attached thumbnail(s) |
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QUOTE(senscents @ Oct 21 2017, 03:38 AM) Here are the 48hrs & 72hrs. https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-90/...-1508528301.jpg Update in post #1 .Thanks, mate. |
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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 15 2017, 08:09 PM) Round B. 8665 km Blotter ..... and going.Total Quartz 7000 Energy 10W40. Avanza 1.3L K3-VE 5087 km in use.... and going. https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-2/p...-1502798923.jpg Total Quartz 7000 Energy 10W40. |
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QUOTE(senscents @ Nov 9 2017, 01:33 PM) Mind elaborating whether sample was taken while cold or after driving for x minutes or x km ?I normally take sample within say, 20 minutes of shutting off engine which had been driven for 30 minutes or more while it's still hot for cosnsistency. Tentatively speaking, I won't be planning for an oil change base on this 4 hour picture for the next one week or so as it appears good ....... However I personally prefer to compare/evaluate picture(s) 48 hrs or 72 hrs after sampling , for better consistency. |
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QUOTE(zeng @ Nov 9 2017, 10:30 PM) Mind elaborating whether sample was taken while cold or after driving for x minutes or x km ? Drive the car for about 3mins and waited for around 10mins before taking the sample.I normally take sample within say, 20 minutes of shutting off engine which had been driven for 30 minutes or more while it's still hot for cosnsistency. Tentatively speaking, I won't be planning for an oil change base on this 4 hour picture for the next one week or so as it appears good ....... However I personally prefer to compare/evaluate picture(s) 48 hrs or 72 hrs after sampling , for better consistency. Plan to change the oil today as i'm free but mostly because will be travelling out station next week and won't be free till god knows when. Really glad to know that this eo is doing the job. Attached thumbnail(s) |
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Just call Drex to help with these stuffs
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QUOTE(senscents @ Nov 10 2017, 01:15 AM) Drive the car for about 3mins and waited for around 10mins before taking the sample. Please proceed with your plan at a time and/or OCI km that's convenient to you and, most importantly that you as owner feel comfortable and happy to do , Senscents.Plan to change the oil today as i'm free but mostly because will be travelling out station next week and won't be free till god knows when. Really glad to know that this eo is doing the job. Coming back to your 24/48 hr blotter spot test pictures shared here, my interpretation is : a) there is no indication of high level of contaminations/wear particles/oxidation etc ; b) dispersancy capability is still good and showing no sign of breakdown of oil dispersancy ; and c) there is no sign of fuel dilution even though this blotter sample was taken 3 minutes after engine shut down at relatively lower/colder oil temperature. A) Comparing this blotter against that of Formula Shell 5W30 (FS*), my vote goes to current blotter. Pennzoil Platinum Velocity 5W40 at 9900 km in Perodua 1.3L 2014 : https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-90/...-1510247706.jpg B) Formula Shell 5W30 (FS*) at 8500 km in Wira 1.5L 199x . https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-90/...-1508185786.jpg Edit:3 minutes after shut down .... be amended to : 3 minutes of driving. Edit:Add '48' to 24 (hr) This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 28 2021, 10:01 AM |
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Wow, nice blotter at 9900 km.
Is your drained oil looks amber coloured and/or goldenish colour ? Am I right to speculate it's not dark gray colour ? Refill with what oil in this 2014 Perodua 1.3L ? Pennzoil Velocity ? This post has been edited by zeng: Nov 10 2017, 10:48 PM |
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QUOTE(senscents @ Nov 10 2017, 10:09 PM) Car: Perodua 2014 Engine: 1.3 auto EO: Pennzoil Platinum Velocity 5w-40 Millage: 9900km 72 Hrs Blotter https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-90/...-1510322931.jpg Credit to your goodself, https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthread...emp#Post4570368 This post has been edited by zeng: Nov 28 2017, 08:29 PM |
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Mushigen, thanks for uploading the 7000 km blotter spot test.
The 2 hour blotter is real impressive, but I believe 48 or 72 hrs ones are more reliable and consistent. The 48 hour blotter spot does not show any centre zone (normally about 6-8 mm size in diameter ) which is oil drop zone, indicating oil detergency and dispersancy is in tip-top condition.Absence of opaque center zone is a good indication of serviceable oil condition. You may uploade another 72 or 96 hr Blotter spot to confirm the absence/presence of 'centre zone', if any. If there is a centre zone, whether it is large size and is shrinking to smaller size, and whether is dark coloured or light coloured , and whether is transparent or opaque. However , there is some dark coloured or light black scattered dots indicating carbon/combustion products or soot particles possibly caused by frequent cold running engine with 3 km (severe duty) which overall is considered very mild. This oil is still serviceable and you may continue with this same oil , by 8500-9000 km take another blotter spot for assessment. If you'd replace the oil, in future the OCI of similar oil brand may be extended to 10,000 km and evaluate further. Note:If your oil has MB 229.5 and VW 50200 50500 approvals, then this is among one of the top oils in this region (though the brand is unknown for now), which I believe 10000-15000 km OCI is no sweat really. Unfortunately there is no further details from you. If it has MB 229.3, it's as good though weaker than a MB 229.5 . Btw, what's the car and model number, Model Year and km ? JMHO. This post has been edited by zeng: Dec 3 2017, 10:27 PM |
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Car is 2004 Vios first gen, mileage 140,000km - yes, true low mileage cars really do exist although not everyone knows frequent short trips are not good for engine oil. 72hr spot. The el-cheapo engine oil, it has only MB229.3 approval though. Not sure if it matters, but I also did blotter test for a cold engine oil on the same day. |
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Dec 4 2017, 02:05 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Yep, your latest 72 hr Blotter Spot Test confirms the 'absence' of centre zone (which is good news) and hence the oil's capability is still good and intact. It also indicates contaminants/insolubles( from some dark grey scattered spots) as mild and acceptable. I consider this 7000 km used oil as fit for continuing service. Taking blotter test in a cold engine tends to show up 'presence' of fuel dilution ( observe the outermost band of colourless light band surrounding the coloured zones) which may not be representative of the hot engine oil sample. Your cold sample shows signs of fuel dilultion, which may not be valid with a hot sample in most cases. But your hot sample also shows signs of fuel dilution which I consider as definitive, in relation to a cold sample, that there is fuel dilution issue in the oil ...... as confirmed by the hot engine oil blotter spot test. Of course some may argue that UOA is required for confirmation of fuel dilution. Edit: Oops, by hot I meant the engine was operating for at least say, 20-30 minutes prior to taking blotter sample. This post has been edited by zeng: Dec 5 2017, 09:36 AM |
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