Imagination,

Before I comment further on 10000km OCI ,6 months, 1 year etc, may I know OEM recommendations on schedule service interval , viscosity grades etc , and whether you are concern about rights to warranty.
Your usage pattern appears like severe duty.
It would be helpful if you can upload relevant info from Campro Owner Manual with regards to above.

For now I may comment on your oil choice of Syntium 800 10W30:

a)
This 10W30 spec of SL A3 with TBN 6 is rather low compared to the other 2 below;

b)
This Syntium 800 5W30 SN GF5 with TBN 8.5 is stronger than 10W30 above;and

c)
Among the 3 oils, for better protection etc I would pick this Syntium 800 10W40 SN A3B3 with TBN 10.0 as my choice for Campro's 10,000 km oil change interval OCI, if warranty isn't an issue.

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 19 2017, 09:56 PM

Your point on UOA is quite valid since it's quantative , but it's quite costly and not value for money.
For me, a Blotter Spot Test evaluation , though qualitative, is adequate to make assessment.
JMHO.

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 19 2017, 10:05 PM

Hi zeng,

Thanks for the reply. I would like to confirm again (after seeing my service invoice) that the engine oil I'm currently using is Syntium 800 SE 10W30 SN-4L.

According to OEM recommendations (source from my car's manual):

1. There are 3 sections where engine oil recommendations are mentioned:
(i) At the front page where it says "PROTON recommends PETRONAS Syntium or Mach 5 product ranges meeting API SL or higher"

(ii)



(iii) Specs sheet on recommended lubricants: SAE 10W-30 or equivalent "SERVICE SL" or high grade


2. There are 2 conditions for oil change as stated in the manual:

(i) Periodical Service Maintenance whereby oil change is set at 10,000 km or 6 months (whichever comes first)


(ii) Severe Usage Service Maintenance whereby oil change is every 5,000 km or 3 months (whichever comes first)
- Severe operating conditions include but not limited to the following cases:

1. Driving on dusty roads or in an area in which the vehicle is likely to be exposed to salty air.
2. Driving on tough roads, on submerged roads, or hilly areas
3. Engine idling for long periods of time or short distances traveled during cold weather
4. Frequent, sudden application of brakes
5. Use as a rental car or taxi
6. Operation under excessive load
7. More than 50% operation time in heavy city traffic in hot temperatures of 32 Celsius or higher
8. Overloading
9. Operation in extremely hot weather condition.


Now my daily driving is about 15~20 mins to work in the morning. Ranging from 10 km ~ 19 km (depending if I have to drop someone off elsewhere first).

And on the way back home it'll take about 30 ~ 40 mins with I guess similar range but more traffic lights.

I do face a lot of traffic lights but rarely stuck in jam or idling for long periods of time. I'm also using a manual transmission car if it matters.

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Regarding warranty, I'm sort of opting after my 3rd change (due to last free service) or even before that to do my OCI outside and possibly using other brand/quality of engine oil. Any recommendations? I'm sort of looking into cheaper oils like those in Lazada "Car Doctor" brands where have high review ratings & cheap fully synthetic. But a little skeptical as it is sort of too good to be true.

The rm60+ service charge is pretty darn expensive but yea I'll be losing the warranty. I am a little concern about warranty but would like to know if there is a cost saving route as well. Will have to weigh the pros and cons later.




*edit: I would also like to mention that I'm not so familiar with the technical specs & knowledge on engine oils

This post has been edited by Imagination *-*: Oct 20 2017, 01:19 AM

Tq for sorting out the reply that day.
How do you do that.

Here another.

Car: Perodua 2014
Engine: 1.3 auto
EO: Pennzoil Platinum Velocity 5w-40
Millage: 9000km

Edit: Add manufacture date

This post has been edited by senscents: Oct 20 2017, 01:44 AM


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Senscents,
This 9000 km Pennzoil Velocity 5W40 in Perodua 1.3 blotter spot indicates :
a) very low level of insolubles or particulates/contaminants partly indicating very clean (year 2014) engine internals, btw what is the odometer km reading ? Petrol brand and RON xx used in this engine, same as your wira ? ;
b) low level of oil oxidation and minimal oil deteoriation, if you may kindly add 48/72 hrs pictures for better assessment ;
c) oil dispersancy capability is in very good condition, like new;and
d) no gasoline fuel in oil sample, may I confirm from you this is MPI port injection engines ?;and
e) This oil is good for continuing service , if you have not replaced it, and take another sample after 1000-1500 km usage.

Anyway, should you already change the oil, next OCI of this Pennzoil oil could be extended to beyond 10,500 km pending Blotter spot tests.


On checking its website, this oil has very strong specifications in ACEA C3, BMW LL04, MB 229.31 etc.
With this specifications, personally I would push OCI towards 15,000 or more in Perodua 1.3 with blotter spot tests. May be it's just me.

Note: I'm not familiar or seen this oil.
Based on facts available , all my comments in this thread are based strictly on blotter spot pictures with a tinge of personal bias/prejudice.
I'm biased towards oil approvals and certifications obtained, and no endorsement of oils is intended in this thread .

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 20 2017, 09:36 AM

Where you bought blotting paper?

No need import those fancy and expensive chromatogram paper for lab use.
Just use an ordinary letter-head or telco bills.
Non-glossy 70/80 gm A4 paper from Tesco/Giant also can.

Imagination,
Are you referring to Syntium 500 10W30 SN GF5 as follows , if its website is up to date ?
https://www.mymesra.com.my/Passenger_Car_Mo...500_10W-30.aspx
Otherwise, either website is not updated or your invoice description has error.
Can you upload front and back pictures of the bottle ?

Let's assume for now it is Syntium 500 10W30, SN GF5 , which is having a TBN of 7.0, this oil is still inferior to the
a) Syntium 800 5W30 SN GF5 with TBN 8.5 and ;
b) Syntium 800 10W40 SN A3B3 with TBN 10.0 as already stated above.

With any of the 3 oil types above,No you need not 'follow' the (OEM) suggestion limiting to 6 months interval.
If you wish, you may even exceed 12 months, however Blotter spot test is prudent.

No expiry date really, if you monitor with Blotter spot test regularly.

Yes, no problem stretching it to 10,000 km OCI or exceeding 1 year in particular with Syntium 800 10W40 SN A3B3 above.
But please monitor with Blotter spot test to check for abnormality, if any, during usage.


Without links to product specification , sorry I apologise for not being able to comment on 'Car Doctor' oils as I'm totally clueless about its specifications .
Why not consider branded oils where it has websites with specifications details freely available to general public as there are aplenty in Klang Valley ?
After you have considered its prices/budget and its availability to your locality, then providing me your choices of oil brands and viscoisty grades (with links etc) being considered by you, my dedicated comments subsequently may meet your specific needs better, I suppose.

Generally local mechanics charge you labour cost of around RM10-20, with your own oil, why not consider buying branded oils (like Castrol , Shell, Total, Liqui Moly, Ravenol,Mobil etc ) of high quality that are being sold in Giant,Tesco and Aeon Big outlets throughout the country ......
where they have sales promotion every now and then at real cheap price ?

Hope it helps.

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 20 2017, 08:14 PM

Tq for your valuable comments.
Good to kniw that the EO holding up.
Odometer at around 69k km
Do not know what type of injection.
Will try to have another blotter sample next week.
Here are the 48hrs & 72hrs.


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Update in post #1 .
Thanks, mate.

8665 km Blotter ..... and going.
Total Quartz 7000 Energy 10W40.

Car: Perodua 2014
Engine: 1.3 auto
EO: Pennzoil Platinum Velocity 5w-40
Millage: 9900km


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Mind elaborating whether sample was taken while cold or after driving for x minutes or x km ?
I normally take sample within say, 20 minutes of shutting off engine which had been driven for 30 minutes or more while it's still hot for cosnsistency.

Tentatively speaking, I won't be planning for an oil change base on this 4 hour picture for the next one week or so as it appears good .......
However I personally prefer to compare/evaluate picture(s) 48 hrs or 72 hrs after sampling , for better consistency.

Drive the car for about 3mins and waited for around 10mins before taking the sample.

Plan to change the oil today as i'm free but mostly because will be travelling out station next week and won't be free till god knows when.
Really glad to know that this eo is doing the job.



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Just call Drex to help with these stuffs

Please proceed with your plan at a time and/or OCI km that's convenient to you and, most importantly that you as owner feel comfortable and happy to do , Senscents.

Coming back to your 24/48 hr blotter spot test pictures shared here, my interpretation is :
a) there is no indication of high level of contaminations/wear particles/oxidation etc ;
b) dispersancy capability is still good and showing no sign of breakdown of oil dispersancy ; and
c) there is no sign of fuel dilution even though this blotter sample was taken 3 minutes after engine shut down at relatively lower/colder oil temperature.

A) Comparing this blotter against that of Formula Shell 5W30 (FS*), my vote goes to current blotter.
Pennzoil Platinum Velocity 5W40 at 9900 km in Perodua 1.3L 2014 :
https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-90/...-1510247706.jpg

B) Formula Shell 5W30 (FS*) at 8500 km in Wira 1.5L 199x .
https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-90/...-1508185786.jpg

Edit:3 minutes after shut down .... be amended to : 3 minutes of driving.
Edit:Add '48' to 24 (hr)

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 28 2021, 10:01 AM

Car: Perodua 2014
Engine: 1.3 auto
EO: Pennzoil Platinum Velocity 5w-40
Millage: 9900km

72 Hrs Blotter

Wow, nice blotter at 9900 km.
Is your drained oil looks amber coloured and/or goldenish colour ?
Am I right to speculate it's not dark gray colour ?
Refill with what oil in this 2014 Perodua 1.3L ? Pennzoil Velocity ?

This post has been edited by zeng: Nov 10 2017, 10:48 PM

Credit to your goodself,
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthread...emp#Post4570368

This post has been edited by zeng: Nov 28 2017, 08:29 PM

Car: Avanza K3VE 1.3 L 2005
Engine Oil : Total Quartz 7000 Energy 10W40 SL A3B4 semi synthetics
Mileage: 10,616 km ..... and going ..
Odometer: 258,003 km
Blotter: 24 hr.





Note:Refer post#1 for summaries of blotter pictures.

This post has been edited by zeng: Nov 28 2017, 08:26 PM