That means it's better for NUS to take in undergrads instead of postgrads right? since the fresh grads will spend more time in the health care system

Yes, i know that. That's why i said it's better for NUS to take in foreigners during undergrad years instead of postgrad years. They will tend to understand the health care system better that way.
Limmeu said that NUS has to protect their citizens as they are the ones who are more likely to practice in Singapore.

At least in Singapore, the pay in gov hospital is much better. Also, post grad training in Singapore is much better than malaysia, with entry based on meritocracy instead of ethnicity.

For malaysian system, one can take up postgrad (local programme) after 4 years in service (2 years HO + 2 years MO). Of course, one can always opt for overseas postgrad training (US, UK, Aus, NZ) without adhering to such rules as well as the discriminatory policies.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Sep 9 2008, 07:31 PM

I believe if one wants to specialise, he/she must have very good result to do so.

I actually find it funny for a doctor of the older generation of UM graduates to use the word 'f***' in a forum which is meant for intelligent discussion. I guess now i know why UM dropped out from the top 200 Unis in the world.

Anyway, are you suggesting that you have been one of the toppers throughout your secondary school years? Didn't even fumble once?

There's no doubt that medical students should be selected from a pool of toppers. However, given the lousy education system and the increasing number of incompetent teachers nowadays, it's really hard for the students to totally grasp the all subjects being taught in school well.

As long as a student do well in Pre-U, then he/she can be qualified to enter medical course. I believe pre-U result is the most important element in securing a seat in med schools.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Oct 11 2008, 11:21 AM

For MMMC, it's no longer that simple, as it has acquired contract with JPA. Therefore, JPA students will be given priority. Many students with A levels 3 As and SAM > 93 cannot enter. Dun believe me, just give MMMC a call or ask those who have applied for MMMC.

After a private med school is established, it tends to increase it's entry requirement in order to push the quality of its graduates, so that it can become more famous which translates into more cash flow.

As for AIMST, you need to take its own foundation course in order to do medicine. Once you have met the minimum requirement set by AIMST, you will be offered a place in Medicine. However, the waiting list is very long as many have successfully met the requirement. According to czrulez, AIMST's foundation in quite simple. You can actually give it a try if you can afford to wait.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Oct 11 2008, 03:14 PM

Bro, just a friendly reminder, be really careful when you say such things. Unless you have concrete proof, i would advise you from making such statement.

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Added on October 11, 2008, 3:39 pmOh really, that's weird. I personally know some people who got really good grades in A level and SAM but got rejected. Your friend has cable ar? Mind to tell me your friend's name?

And last time when i applied for IMU-PMS (2004 1st intake), no one below SAM 93 and A level AAB has been accepted.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Oct 11 2008, 03:43 PM

As you have said it yourself, it was, a mere allegation, without any concrete proof. So how does it show how "f***" up the med school selection process is?

Also, Expletive is not appropriate in a forum meant for intelligent discussion, and i guess you are well aware of that. You dun have to be vulgar just because things dun go your way. I believe attitude is one of the criteria for med school selection. Thus, it reflects that there's a failure in the selection of students in UM, thus the drop in quality.

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Added on October 12, 2008, 1:32 amWell, from my personal experience, Russian and Ukrainian grads are being looked down and treated badly in gov hospitals. Most of the consultants think that these grads are not competent and safe. A consultant in Melaka GH even told the elective students off just because they are from Ukraine.

Although there are many reputable Unis in Russia, many forummers said that the strict marking scheme and the high standard is only applicable to Russian students, not foreign students, as these foreigners will not be practicing in Russia most of the time.

Therefore, if money and time are not the concerns for you, i would recommend you to enroll in established private med schools in Msia. However, the decision is still in your hand.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Oct 12 2008, 01:36 AM

Just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't mean that there's no such allegations.

In reality, you are the one getting worked up here. Screwing Russian grads, belittling local med schools, using foul language, ridiculed others when you are being challenge. I dun see any trait of an experience doctor from UM from you.

And who's being more emo right now? Using word like "f***" up and all that....

I dare say this: this thread is not peaceful because we have people like you. Most of the time we spent arguing with each other instead of exchanging useful information regarding exams and clinical knowledge. I dun see why you are so particular about where a doctor is from. As long as a doctor is capable, he/she will be a competent and safe doctor even if he/she is from the worst med school on earth.

Since you are an experience doctor, why not shed some light on some clinical skills or bedside knowledge which we need to focus on? All you have done is condemning here and there, without giving any useful advice.

I rest my case

This post has been edited by hypermax: Oct 12 2008, 10:45 AM

Yes, in deed....

He claimed so in either another thread or this thread not so long ago.

Yalar, i must admit all non-bumi doctors from UM are of a different level, but he's the most cocky one i have seen. (that's if he's really one)

This post has been edited by hypermax: Oct 12 2008, 07:57 PM

I think the degree has yet to be recgonised by the msian gov

Hi people, my friends are interested in working in Singapore. I was told by a forummer here that one can't work in Singapore unless he/she obtains a basic degree recognised by SMC. According to the same forummer, even if you hold a specialist degree like MRCP(UK) but have a unrecognised basic degree, you are not qualified to work in Singapore. However recently, i bumped into this page on the SMC web site which states the following:



Link

So does it mean that I can apply for conditional registration after obtaining MRCP even if my basic degree is not recognised?

Thanks in advance.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Dec 9 2008, 10:35 PM

Once you are fully registered (after 2 years of supervision for foreigners), i think you are free to go private.

Therefore, to the forummer who told me the opposite (can't work there despite having recognised specialist degree), pls refrain from misleading people if you are not sure of your info, thanks. You know who you are.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Dec 9 2008, 11:58 PM

You can try for PMC, it's relatively easier to enter. Also, facilities in Ireland are very very good.

As for MMMC, in the 21st batch (recent intake), only 8 self funded students. Therefore, it's harder.

BTW, be careful when asking such question in this thread. Some people here strongly disagree with people getting less than TER 95 entering medicine. If you are unlucky, you will most probably be bombarded.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Dec 18 2008, 03:46 PM

Yeap, and therefore i don't intend to start the debate again.
The age old question of passion vs academic performance.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Dec 18 2008, 06:37 PM

I strongly advice you to apply for PMC. MMMC is very hard to enter as JPA has already book many of the seats. However, if your cable is long enough, then it's not a problem.

able to pull string (as in know people in the management or big share holder). This is rampant for private colleges.

Btw, try both. No harm trying.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Dec 18 2008, 07:17 PM

A recognized post grad degree enables one to work in Singapore via Conditional Registration. Therefore, USMLE, then post grad in the US is a good path.

BTW, AIMST is a good option, as its fee is rather affordable. In my opinion, it's not worth to enter IMU or MMMC as the school fees are ridiculously high for current intakes, RM330K++. Back in my time (5 years ago), only RM265K for MMMC and 268K for IMU.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 14 2009, 02:31 AM