Well, i guess the best option for you now is to settle for AIMST, which is cheap and fully recognized here.
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Jan 15 2009, 10:21 PM
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Well, i guess the best option for you now is to settle for AIMST, which is cheap and fully recognized here.
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Jan 16 2009, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 15 2009, 10:59 PM) Try to grasp the situation here. He has no money to study abroad and was born in the wrong country for admission to IPTAs, what other alternatives he has besides the previously mentioned "obtaining a recognized post grad" pathway? |
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Jan 16 2009, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Jan 16 2009, 04:36 PM) So far this is what i understand from TS's posts:IMU: Its PMS option is too expensive for TS. UM and UKM: TS can't enter as he was born in the wrong country. Tell me what other choices he has besides the above mentioned "post-grad" path? Bear in mind that with a recognized post grad qualification, he can work in Singapore via conditional registration. This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 16 2009, 07:06 PM |
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Jan 16 2009, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Jan 16 2009, 07:44 PM) then it's really a matter of his priority. to work in spore, or become a doctor is more impt. but i guess he wants to work in spore more, since he mentioned IMU dental after u suggested the post grad pathway to him. I am using macleod, but Talley is actually a better book. Added on January 16, 2009, 8:01 pmbtw, wat books in internal medicine would ur recommend for a beginner to clincals? talleys? macleod? oxford handbook? Davidsons? Kumar? medicine at a glance? ...... Use Davidsons for theory, many vivid diagrams and pictures which aid you in memorizing as well as understanding. Kumar focuses too much on pathophysiology and less on management. Just my 2 cents. You should read according to your Uni's recommended list. |
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Jan 17 2009, 12:59 AM
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Jan 17 2009, 12:31 AM) what kumar book? that 'Pathological Basis of Diseases' book is it? Kumar and Clark clinical medicine, not the pathological basis.Thats a good book, if you can handle the ridiculously deep content. It doubles as a door stop, if you wish. You can seriously injure a person with it. by the way, for clinical examination books: MacLeod's and Hutchinson's are the two books that I used. I think somehow, Indian med colleges use similar books throughout the country. I dont know about other countries though. Hutchinson in my opinion is too long winded. Not really suitable especially for short case examination. |
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Jan 17 2009, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Jan 17 2009, 10:59 AM) I'm rather curious. I think only Indian schools using those books. To be honest, those are the only good indian books.Does anyone else uses K.D Tripathi's Essentials of Medical Pharmacology and S.Das Concise textbook of surgery in their skools? This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 20 2009, 06:37 PM |
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Jan 20 2009, 06:38 PM
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I have been wondering for some time:
With so many medical schools in Msia, will there eventually be a Licensing exam for all medical graduates? |
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Jan 20 2009, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 20 2009, 06:51 PM) like what they do to lawyers......the clp.......... The problem now is not with influx of foreign grads, but newly built IPTS local grads no need to sit........foreign grades all must sit unless admitted to recognised bars elsewhere......... worst case scenario.......but unlikely to happen..........politically suicide....... |
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Jan 28 2009, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(Yeyechan @ Jan 26 2009, 10:52 PM) erm ya haha... With UEC, you can apply for National Taiwan University which is recognized by SMC. Not necessarily need to go angmoh country to study.I know there's a bunch of schools on the list, but I don think those uni in those angmoh country is going to accept me into their medicine programme. But maybe those engineering or wat de course can la, but for medicine it's surely a no-no to a UEC student. Now I am thinking whether I shall choose the pms option or the local programme offered by imu. that's why i would like to ask for the information that whether I am eligible for registration with SMC with both a post-graduate qualification that is recognized and a basic quialification that is not recognized. I suppose I can apply for conditional registration right? Just to make sure that I'm doing the right thing... |
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Feb 11 2009, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Feb 7 2009, 07:10 PM) The previous issue regarding "Manipal University: Kasturba Medical Colleges, Mangalore and Manipal" again today in Utusan Malaysia: well, as far as i know, degree from MMMC is still fully recognised by the gov, but degrees from both KMCs (full course) will only be recognized if you are a JPA scholar.Source: http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...ni&pg=bt_11.htm even after they appealed, still denied re-recognition by Indian Medical council? now what MMC is going to say about this? After a bit of browsing around, I found this also: Source: http://www.admissiondates.com/why-manipal-...recognised.html According to the article, the reason for de-recognition is due to the fact that the number of students exceeding the quota set. However, MMMC programme is already in placed for more than 10 years, why are they complaining now? In addition, we dun share lecturers and facilities (senior professors are being recruited from KMC to teach full time in MMMC campus in Manipal). Besides, manipal has been consistently ranked top 10 best medical colleges in India for the past 10 years, and all of the sudden they claimed the quality of teaching drops so much? The whole issue sounds very fishy to me. |
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Feb 11 2009, 06:14 PM
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I dun know whether you guys are aware of this, but both PMC and MMMC are offering what i call "defective twinning programmes". You dun actually get the degree from the college you are twinned to, but instead from the universities which these colleges are affiliated with (National University of Ireland for PMC and Manipal University for MMMC). Therefore, these programmes do not give you the actual degrees which many thought they will be getting. This is evident by the listing in IMED
PMC MMMC If graduates from both these colleges are awarded with degrees from the colleges they are twinned to, then why in IMED they are listed as separate entities? |
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Feb 11 2009, 07:00 PM
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Feb 12 2009, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE(se-ryn @ Feb 11 2009, 11:57 PM) yea.. actually i've heard of this before.. if you're doing your clinical years in malaysia.. even if its a twinning programme.. the uni in malaysia will issue your degree cert... :-D its actually the same if u do the whole 5 yrs in malaysia.. right ? No, for PMC, the degree is conferred by National University of Ireland, therefore it's an Irish degree. However, PMC's degree is only recognised in Ireland and Malaysia. Recognition by Ireland is practically useless in securing a job in Ireland if you are not an EU resident.hehe.... ~ |
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Feb 13 2009, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 13 2009, 09:15 AM) whatever? Dude, dun be so mean lar. yes, that just about sums up the pitiful state of msian education, in particular, medical education......as long as one gets that piece of paper, and, to quote the minister of health, the 'license to kill'............ ============================ BTW, what happened to twinning with UM? I thought it was quite a successful arrangement, as a back door for the Malays to enter UM? |
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Feb 13 2009, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(MBBS siang @ Feb 13 2009, 12:44 PM) If you don't have the ability to change this condition,so the best solution is to run away from here.But not keep on reminding and reminding "malaysia is bad","lousy health care" and keep on look down on who graduate from non-reputable uni.That is unfair to some! Not mean a good doctor must graduate from famous medical school but those graduate from 3rd world country like russia,indonesia should be a incompetent doctor or substandard medical student.If you are rich better leave the 3rd world country,if you are not confident in health care of 3rd world country,if you are not and need a "real doctor",you deserve the right to choose but not keep on look down on others who are graduate from non-reputable uni but are competent.As a patient they know which doctor is suit to them but not depend on academic background.Sorry,this is what I think! Agree to the statement in bold, if one can't change the current situation, the best option is to leave the place. No point whining here, as nothing will be changed at the end of the day.Without strong political will and the demise of "Ketuanan Melayu", nothing will be changed. |
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Feb 13 2009, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(haya @ Feb 13 2009, 04:41 PM) You probably don';t think, seeing you have still not understood the basics of paragraphing. Let's say becoming a doctor is your only ambition, wouldn't you go all out just to achieve it? Therefore, you can't blame it on the students or parents. The fault lies with our government, for recognizing foreign colleges which are sub-standard, for making admission into IPTA much easier for the bumis, and granting permission to the setting up of IPTS which do not meet the criteria. Ever considered that your "lousy health care" is due to the lax admission policies for local medical schools and foreign graduates? So let me get this straight: you, unable to get into and afford into a reputable medical school with some standard, decide to perpetuate the problem by thinking of entering "3rd world country like russia,indonesia", with lax admission policies, just so you can fulfill your (and presumably your parents) dreams of being a doctor. And of course, you still hide under the banner of "not all doctors from 3rd world medical schools are Dr Death". "Choose a doctor"? What do you think this is: a supermarket? Please, get rid of your sifu mentality. "A nation who wants to move forward needs a well educated workforce, not just a brilliant few". LKY If I were to paraphrase, A nation who wants to have a competent health care system needs a network of well educated medical specialists, not just a brilliant few. In many parts of the world, you don't need to choose doctors. In certain circumstances you can't choose doctors. As your dear friend limeuu said, we are all victims of politics. Therefore, i seriously see no point in complaining about it in the forum. If you really dislike what's happening here, by all means pls leave the country. The 'kalau tak suka, keluar dari sini' concept is very much applicable when nothing can be done to change the current situation. At least not by you or me. This thread was originally created for medical students to share medical knowledge, but now it has strayed very much away from its original purpose. This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 13 2009, 06:34 PM |
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Feb 17 2009, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE(MBBS siang @ Feb 15 2009, 11:46 AM) My friend told me is about 4000++ but not sure la. Standard is ok lar, like most other established medical schools in Msia. Not top notch but enough to train a competent doctor (very much dependable on the students' attitude also). It was a worthwhile college back then, but now with sky high tuition fee (330K for 5 years, compared to 265K last time), i dun think it's worth while anymore. Better apply for AIMST, it's much cheaper and i heard the teaching quality is quite good too.Hello,hypermax! The quality of MMMC is ok or not?Is the MBBS of MMMC a twinning programme? If yes,the living expenses in India will very high or not(including accommodation and food)?Approximately is how much the fee monthly?Is that required to attend an interview for admission?Any financial aid available?Can I loan from PTPTN? |
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Feb 17 2009, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 17 2009, 09:57 AM) 2 different issues here. Just to let you know,1. Health Care available to Malaysian I keep telling my friend, amongst the various government department, the Health got my greatest respect. May be because it's often a life and death issue so you have to be attended to. Whatever the reason, I personally believe we have give a big thank you to all those working in public hospital. And nobody in Malaysia will be denied health care which even the mighty USA couldn't fulfill. 2. Doctor who are not technically competent. This is what many people are complaining about here. Substandard teaching plus substandard student and the result is substandard doctor. These should be tightened. Besides doctors, pharmacists, nurses and practically all other medical staff are getting more and more incompetent as the day goes by. So, dun focus on doctors only my dear pharmacist friend. |
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Feb 17 2009, 04:14 PM
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While there are 10 IPTS offering MBBS/MD course, it's better to join a well established medical school, like the 5 IPTS currently recognized by MMC. Monash Malaysia is also a good option since it's recognized by AMC.
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