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post May 15 2009, 11:31 PM

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Wow, guess he's becoming a super star here. Everyone keeps in touch with him biggrin.gif
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post May 16 2009, 06:10 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 16 2009, 12:59 AM)
pedantic mode on......

this is a med student thread, so sorry, all you prospective students will need to stop posting here, with you endless questions about entry qualifications, which uni, costs, recognitions of qualifications etc..........

doctors are also off topic here, you are no more med students.........

forum admin will need to take note......

pedantic mode off......

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sigh......don't know why i bother really, it's amazing how sometimes people who wants and expects help and advise can still be so sarcastic and cocky...... rolleyes.gif
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I dun see endless questions about entry requirements in this thread, i only see endless enthusiasm in discussing about entry requirement in someone. It's surprising to see how delusional one can be. drool.gif

I guess most of us are fed up with discussing entry requirement. Just move on dude. doh.gif
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post May 17 2009, 10:26 PM

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If i am not mistaken, all foreign graduates including those from UK and US have to take AMC in order to practice in Aus. Anyone can clarify on this?
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post May 21 2009, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ May 21 2009, 07:02 AM)
This is indeed an eye opener. While many think that most 3rd world health care systems suck, Cuba on the other hand has better health care system than the Bolehland. Therefore, dun always generalize.

I came across a blog entry by the famous blogger Dr. Pot, and i would like to share it with you guys
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The most reasonable and objective statement is to evaluate each house officer as an individual and not from the university one graduates from. We have a great number of lousy, undeserving students entering local universities both public and private institutions and they are not restricted to any particular race. We also have an abundance of mentally-challenged personalities graduating from India, Ukraine, Ireland, Indonesia and China. No doctor should be identified or stigmatized by the university one graduated from. The final competency of any medical student is really all about the person’s own initiative.

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While this young UM trained doctor has such mature thinking, there's a self claimed experienced UM trained doctor in our forum who likes to generalize. Why such a big difference? rolleyes.gif

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post May 21 2009, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(wgy589 @ May 21 2009, 09:45 AM)
"The most reasonable and objective statement is to evaluate each house officer as an individual and not from the university one graduates from"
dun think u should expect all UM graduates to be the same.
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Yeah, you are right. I too, was generalizing that all non-bumi UM medical graduates are mature thinking. Sorry about that blush.gif

To Haya,
So far, we have heard many horror stories about the incompetence of Russian and Ukrainian graduates, but have you heard such horror stories regarding graduates of IPTS, India, and China? You said that the probability of "lousy, undeserving students" coming out of 3rd world universities/private medical universities in Malaysia is higher than 1st world universities with tight entry requirements. Can you prove this statement of yours (besides Russian and Ukrainian grads)? OR is it just your imagination? whistling.gif

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post May 23 2009, 12:45 AM

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yup, i think it looks like venous ulcer too, as the long saphenous vein starts at the medial part of the dorsal venous arch and ascends upwards. Doesn't look like diabetic ulcer to me, as the toes are not involved. The reason for diabetic ulcer to occur at the foot is due to combination of poor wound healing as well as glove and stocking loss of sensation a.k.a peripheral polyneuropathy. Therefore, diabetic patient will not be aware of any trivial wound occuring at the foot, thus the wound will get bigger and infected, thus causing gangrene.

Anyway, a proper history is needed before a diagnosis can be made.

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post Jun 3 2009, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ Jun 2 2009, 08:43 PM)
I have a question that is long in my mind here. Was PMC initially recognized by SMC? or PMC was never recognized by SMC before, and they only take in graduates on a case by case basis?

(coz I knew of PMC graduates that are working in SG)
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Are you sure about this? Cuz someone here once said otherwise.

QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 11 2008, 11:34 PM)
i thought so........you are from manipal.......

not in the recognised list, which means you cannot register with the smc and practice....

however, there are special provisions for doctors who are world leaders in their area, where special consideration can be given.


that is the problem, many medical students (and prospective students and their parents) are not aware of the very strict conditions for registration to practice, particularly in the 1st world countries.

the reason is pretty simple........unlike these 1st world countries which chooses their med students very carefully, most 3rd world countries (including msia) have a defective med education system.....and hence there is no consistency in the quality and the teaching in many med schools.......

there is a back door though in some 1st world countries......you can sit for qualifying exams, and if you prove yourself sufficiently competent, you can then be registered......this is the case in usa and oz.....
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Added on June 3, 2009, 9:52 am
QUOTE(it-int @ Jun 3 2009, 03:30 AM)
Just because you think some diseases are rare and irrelevant DOESN'T MEAN it's irrelevant. And it is SIMPLE COMMON SENSE to know about the common diseases but that should not restrict you from knowing about the rare ones. Are you implying that a person suffering from a rare disease is less deserving than one who suffers from a common disease? So because you are not well read enough and are unable to diagnose a patient suffering from a rare disease ultimately it EXEMPTS you from taking responsibility?

Doctors konon. Study just enough to pass. Yeah, it's rare therefore its unimportant - you wouldn't even know if you missed a diagnosis and caused the death of a patient. Ignorance is bliss isn't it?
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I understand your feelings when most people belittle your uni. However, there's no reason for such outburst. It's a known fact for medical students that commonly seen diseases will be asked in great details in every exam. It's okay for one not to know Ondine's curse but it's unforgivable for one not to know Light's criteria, GINA classification, and add on therapy for asthma. If you are into those rare diseases, i suggest you go down the research pathway, instead of clinical where you will most of the time be dealing with common diseases.

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Well, i guess people at JPA think just like few of our forummers here: 1st world unis offer world class education while IPTSs produce rubbish doctors. Therefore, they are dying to send the scholars to those 1st world unis if their budget allows them to. wink.gif Right haya?

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post Jun 3 2009, 11:33 PM

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The biggest problem with Russian unis is not the teaching system, but the examination system. Here in Malaysia, we have to go through all sorts of exams in order to become a doctor. For my final exam at Melaka-Manipal, we have the following components:

1. Theory, which is essay and MCQ on 6 major (medicine, surgery, O&G, paediatrics, ortho, psychiatry) and 3 minor (ENT, ophthalmology, community med)

2. OSCE (22 stations, with 2 being rest stations)

3. A long case: a patient is brought to you, and you have no idea what kind of patient he/she is (eg, medical, surgical or others). You are given one hour to clerk the patient with relevant physical examination. At the end of the one hour, you will be asked to present in front of 4 consultants of different disciplines. One of the consultants will be external examiner (from UM and other unis. Sometimes even white guy from USA). After presenting, you will be asked about the provisional diagnosis and the relevant investigations which you will ordered to confirm the disease. Then, you will be asked about the relevant treatment and sometimes the prognosis. Most of the time, patients come with multi system disorder (my long case was thyrotoxicosis with AF and mitral regurgitation. A friend of mine got an even complicated case: stroke, DM, HTN, varicose vein, gout, sebaceous horn rclxub.gif )

4. 3 Short cases: each 10 mins. You are not allowed to ask the patient anything. Only perform physical examination pertaining to the brief history which the examiner has provided you. Again, you will be tested in front of 4 consultants just like the long case.

5. Continuous assessment: the sum of all marks of the previous exams and log books done from 6th semester to the 10th semester.

Failing one of the components above, you will have to resit in 6 months. You are only allowed to resit twice, then off you go.

From what i have heard, only viva and written exams are being conducted in Russian unis, and people tend to cheat in the written exams, as the exam questions can be easily obtained.

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post Jun 4 2009, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Jun 4 2009, 10:57 AM)
not sure whether this has been posted or not, but its an article with title "are you suitable to be a doctor" talking bout the wrong ideas towards doctors and stuff like that... but its in chinese(taken from sin chew)

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/115151?tid=35

btw I'm going to UCSI this July to do medicine.
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There are some mistakes in the article:

1. The salary for housemen is about RM3500-4500 inclusive of all the allowances plus on call, unlike the RM1000 stated in the article. For MOs UD44, salary is close to RM6K plus all the allowances, and specialists are paid more than RM6K. If in private practice, a specialist can be easily paid RM 10-20K.

2. Secondly, the article didn't mention about overseas postgrad degrees (MRCP, FRACP) which are also registrable to be specialists after 18 months of "gazettement". Such pathway has no quota unlike the local master degree.

3. The consultation fee of RM30 inclusive of medicine is actually a lot, for a mere 5 mins session. Also, the cost of commonly prescribed medicines are very low.


Added on June 4, 2009, 11:54 am
QUOTE(dunaskwhy @ Jun 4 2009, 02:15 AM)
I believe what you explaining here is Obstructive Sleep Apnoea instead of Ondine's curse.
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Ondine's curse is a serious form of sleep apnea, in which patient will "forget" to breathe at all during sleep (total absence of breathing), thus causing death. On the other hand, OSA is characterised by pauses in breathing during sleep, and CPAP is rarely required for survival.

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post Jun 4 2009, 01:03 PM

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Out of curiosity, the intern friend of yours earn 3k ringgit or Aussy after deduction of tax?


Added on June 4, 2009, 1:06 pm
QUOTE(onelove89 @ Jun 4 2009, 10:57 AM)
not sure whether this has been posted or not, but its an article with title "are you suitable to be a doctor" talking bout the wrong ideas towards doctors and stuff like that... but its in chinese(taken from sin chew)

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/115151?tid=35

btw I'm going to UCSI this July to do medicine.
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Why not AIMST? It's cheaper if i am not mistaken, and it's currently recognised.

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post Jun 5 2009, 08:07 AM

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Isnt' 3k AUD after tax deduction a lot for an intern? What's there to complain about?


Added on June 5, 2009, 8:13 am
QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 4 2009, 06:22 PM)
After paying that RM30, the patient expect you to give some medicine regardless of whether it is called for or not.

That is why separation of dispensing right may also be a good thing. At least doctor will no longer be pressured to give medication.
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But the patients will be required to pay more. You think the public want that?

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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ Jun 5 2009, 09:48 AM)
If public doesnt want that, go to government hosp. I dont study medicine for not being able to charge even rm30. I'm not so noble.

It's good if you're so noble 10 years down the road, especially when u need a car, a bigger house, and ur children want to go to uk to study med.
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Read my post properly. I was answering optiplex's post regarding separation of dispensing right. What i meant was if there's separation of dispensing right, patient will be required to pay more for the medicine.
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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ Jun 9 2009, 02:36 PM)
What if I want to apply for PGY1 in aussie? lol i have to compete with all fellow aussie grads? or also the other UK US grads (which have done their intern years in their respective country).

Sigh work all my way back, means it'll be like... 3 years? sleep.gif
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Why dun you just stay in NZ for specialization?
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post Jun 11 2009, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ Jun 11 2009, 02:46 PM)
Is monash malaysia recognized by AMC?
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Yes, it is.
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post Jun 18 2009, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(OMG! @ Jun 18 2009, 09:00 AM)
I am not meant to plagiarizing...just seriously i forget to use the quote button. 

Sorry. my bad ...

To all of you out there, i do seek permission from the authr of the blog to post it here, and come out with a dicussion. Opinions matter. that is all.
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Put a link to the blog after the quote pls.

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