Hypermax, MGH is the teaching hospital for MMMC, how is it possible that the MOs and specialists "look down" on the students wo..?

if any med students gets in ANY med school satisfying these criteria, i have NO issues.....i know lots in 3rd world schools, including russia......

if you are someone who got ter 85 and your rich parents bought a place for you in an ipts or russia, or whatever.......i will tell you bluntly, you should NOT have been allowed to........the worst i have seen personally was someone with 3,6,7 in spm sciences who went to india.......i kid you not.....but i am told it gets worse in russia.....

please respect people's privacy.......

yes..it is. but the hospital does not belong to our college...
actually, only few specialists or MOs look down on us...
interestingly, most of them who look down on us are those graduated from UM...

gosh, they must have been living in their own tiny world all this while..
I don't care where they graduate from, it's a no-no for me to look down on ppl..
.and they are called doctors..

cut off in imu fluctuates between ter91-95 (and equivalents) in recent batches.....if one has been following my posts, one will know i have been very critical of imu too.....the saving grace is that they apply strict standards in assessments, and dare to fail people.......which is dictated by the requirements of the pms..... that weeds out the low ter's and those who play the fool.........i am not aware of any other ipts with a tough assessment policy.......

finally, almost all students in ipts 'bought' their place......on merit grounds, there are so many people with stpm who would eminently qualify, but have no money/scholarship........

in that sense i am against private medical education....while still cognizant of the fact that they provided a vent for what is happening in ipta......

sigh.......do you understand my last paragraph or not??

and what i said about no issues if the principles are met??

i just got back from supper..
anw,
yeah..the previous should be closed...
full of crap in the thread..  

opps, sorry, of course we are here to post our opinions...  
yup..thats true...
 

recent years, more and more jpa scholars are matriculated into MMMC, now they make up three quarter of the students, Presumably, they are brilliant students, thus, competitive students can be expected.

AIMST is going to be a new medical university to receive JPA scholars too. We currently have a few in the latest foundation batch already.

Besides that, i heard that AIMST is going to be one of the choices of uni for medicine in the upcoming IPTA application form for stpm and matriks leaver. Due to the lack of seats for med in IPTA. It seems that the PM is going to announce it soon on the upcoming official opening on this Sunday. Lol. We'll see.

Anyhow, i was trying to say that 3rd world med schools aren't that bad at all. We still produce good doctors. But probably might lack in the consistency like what limeuu has said i guess. O.o

Since it's a university founded by MIC, i would say that it might be true. Probably cos of the pathetic number of indian students admitted for medicine in IPTA which is a result of the quota which tends to side the bumis. Kind of sad isn't it? Nyways it's setted up to support the non-bumis at first.

Not too sure about it tho cos it has just recently promoted to a IPTA-like uni but the management will still run on it's own. What i'm glad to hear is that at least this new medical uni has got it's recognition in M'sia, at last. After 3 batches have graduated.

Hey munsheng and hypermax.

Seriously you guys have seen my seniors? We only had a chance to catch a glimpse of them graduating when we first entered, sadly. Haha. I was wondering how are AIMST housemens doing there at MGH? I was told that our students kind of lacked in clinical exposure such as clinical procedures. Is it true so?

They are our pioneer batch who works really really hard to help us obtain the 3 years recognition by MMC. Thanks to them really.

Yup, very true saying indeed. That was what i was told by the MMC guys during their accredition tour to our university. The problem is some hospitals such as the Alor Setar General Hospital's policy does not really allowed medical students to do their procedures compared to UM, UKM and USM who has their own hospitals. That professor jokingly asked us to suggest to our Uni to build our own hospitals as they have not been such application sent to MMC before. LOL. We have a dental hospital here though, not the medical hosp.

Ur in UKM which puts u under zone A. Supposedly dalam bandar, so living expenses high, so ur JPA lagi banyak. Here in Kuantan..a zone B area, we are assumed to have lower living expenses hence less scholarship. We also have to travel ALOT to and fro to HTAA which costs us soo much money every month for fuel. We have a crappy cafe that by the time we actually do get back from our 8-5 at the ward, the foods all cleared out. This forces us to eat outside which is sooo expensive cause in Kuantan its just the same if we makan nasi goreng and teh ais and a large Mc Donalds meal! We get more than 2k less than what u get and the standard of living here in Kuantan is almost the  same as KL..

I think its unfair that we get about the same as students from other courses cause unlike med students they dont have to travel to HTAA and they have holidays totalling to almost half a year when they can leech of their parents.

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Added on August 16, 2008, 1:37 am

5 Deliveries??? OMG Lucky you man!! We at UIA have to do 15 before grad and we have to compete with nursing student midwives (NSM) who have to do 30 deliveries and u can rest assure that they wont give up a case to u that easily...many occasions med students end up crying cause they stay up one whole night waiting for the patient to begin second stage of labour only for the NSMs to snatch it from the student just when the head is about to come out. Seriously...the labour room drama in UIA beats the bold and the beautiful any day...

FYI, another university has submitted the application to build its own hospital and its already in building progress.

mims is not so good in my opinion..

In my uni, my lect says the notes is already sufficient to get 50%. Rest of it, will depends on our own Directed Self Learning (DSL). Mim's de book he said we can refer to for immunology and microbes. But still think dat CMMRS is the better one. Lol.

One must take MMed for surgery if he/she is interested to become a surgeon? And i heard from a doctor that a MRCP paper will cost 8000 and normally what they do is that they usually will have already prepared 16000 for the exam. So that when they fail the paper, they could take up for the second time. Max 3 tries.True?

Btw i dun quite understand the specialisation and sub-specialisation thingy. Does that mean dat if one wants to be a neuro surgeon, pedatric surgeon, orthopaedic surgeon etc, he/she must first take up General Surgery den sub-specialise in orthopaedics etc? Same applies to Physicians, they must first take up Internal Medicine then sub-specialise in for example endocrinology, urology, otolaryngology etc?

british system: generalist specialist first before sub-specialisation.....

american (and oz): directly into a sub-specialisation.....

there are pros and cons in both system.....

mmed is the only pathway left for msian surgical training......the mrcs (which replaced the old 'frcs in general') is not recognised by msia........and the subspeciality frcs requires recognised training jobs, which most msians grads do not/cannot have.......

spore is a good option for surgical training, but many cannot work there, degree not recognised........

lol? my post has gone missing...

raining gold in foreign land.. raining stone in homeland...
"stone" is not all bad
Most of us would still love to serve in malaysia .. don't you?

Singapore has too many brilliant students. You cant expect them to accommodate all into NUS. I know a few people who are wanting to work in Singapore after graduating from OZ unis and IMU-PMS. In fact NHG is always having their forum at IMU for PMS students to ask questions etc.

asean scholarship does not guarantee one any course after a levels.......

spore likes to do social engineering........they will tell very bright students they cannot do medicine, and instead channel then to other areas, eg, finance, etc.......(i was 'engineered' into dentistry, which i rejected)

studying in oz does not mean one will stay on there.......there are many examples of graduates after oz, going elsewhere to work, including spore.......

case example of one cannot be extrapolated to apply to the many.......

i think u r too biased with ur bro's case, but rmbr, he's just an individual case onli, there r many other bright students who never got into NUS medicine, and reason being academics only accounts for 50% of total admission score, the rest depends on interviews, essays, and portfolio.

http://medicine.nus.edu.sg/corporate/app-m...missionfaq.html

It's very common for a country to lose their talents, and there's y spore are always tryin their best to retain the doctors, 1 way being to offer them wif postgrad training, get me?

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Added on September 4, 2008, 6:04 pm

PR is offered to most foreigners studying in NUS, but few males took it bcos they have to serve NS, but not if they take it after Uni,  And if they r doin medic/dental, they would have to serve 5/6 yrs bond, so definitely will try to understand the system lor, somemore majority of them will stay there for postgrad and practice.